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@ClarkKent I don't know
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@Meysamرهادربند lol
@ClarkKent If you knew Persian, I would tell you who he is :D
I know Persian.
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@Meysamرهادربند But who is he in English?
Ghoole dosar?
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15:01
I do not know Persian, but I can still call @Gigili.
@ClarkKent In English he is no one, and yet someone like you.
@Gigili :))))))) na
@Meysamرهادربند so he's from Singapore?
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@MattЭллен Maybe he means he is Persian Superman.
@MattЭллен No he is from Persia
@ClarkKent perhaps!
15:03
@ClarkKent No
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@Gigili, do you notice something today?
@Gigili How do you happen to know it?
@ClarkKent Yes if it's a weird thing.
@Meysamرهادربند He's quite popular.
Perhaps ghoole bishaakhodom?
@Gigili No.... please do not keep guessing
Okay, please do not give me orders.
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15:06
@Gigili What a weird answer!
@ClarkKent In some part of the imaginary world I live in, this man is known as Sheikh (patriarch?) and is missing. No one has seen him since last year when he left his home. And I have chosen this avatar just in memory of him.
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@Meysamرهادربند Ah OK. Why is your world imaginary?
@ClarkKent Because living in a real world is not enough.
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@Mahnax Oh, I must have been the person to give you +1 for that crap answer then, since I have distributed all the presents.
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It is interesting that by now I have seen "recycle bin", "rubbish bin", "trash" and "wastebasket" all used to describe that icon on the desktop.
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15:14
Maybe someone will call it "crap" next.
I thought it was the kid in your avatar who has grown up.
the trash is different from trash
you throw trash in the the trash
WTH, I thought sheikh refers to a group of people, not a lost persons.
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@Gigili Oh, I don't think that's a kid. I think that's him!
@ClarkKent Who's him?
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15:16
@Gigili Meysam. QED.
@Gigili Sheikh is single. Shoyookh is a group of Sheikhs (missing all together)
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By the way speaking of sheikh, have you heard of Sai Baba?
@ClarkKent You haven't seen my kid avatar, have you?
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@Meysamرهادربند Maybe I forgot. Maybe my imagination ran wild. Sometimes a 30 year old can look like a 13 year old you know.
@ClarkKent No who is he? seems he is indian
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15:19
@Meysamرهادربند The one that I am thinking of is a cheat. Videos showed him performing magic tricks to cheat the people who thought he had special powers. That video was banned in India.
If you knew how I reply to a particular message, you'd cry.
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@Gigili By using the number. QED.
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And I am not crying.
Strong boy!
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At first I thought Sai Baba was a good man, but now I know he is a cheat.
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15:21
I used to read some of his writings.
@ClarkKent So bad, he might have ruined the future of some believers.
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Now I view every religious figure with much scepticism.
@ClarkKent Do you think Criss Angel is a cheat too?
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@Meysamرهادربند He is a magician right? People are supposed to think that he does magic. But Sai Baba was not supposed to do magic; he was supposed to have real power.
Are you serious?
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15:24
So Criss Angel is a magician, but Sai Baba is a cheat. There is a difference.
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I hope you have not misunderstood my meaning.
How is it going @Matt?
frustratingly. how are you @Gigili?
@ClarkKent Right on!
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So @Gigili what is the weird thing that you noticed?
15:26
I meant the .net issue thingy, solved?
It's the queue of available users that I see here on FF @ClarkKent.
@MattЭллен If you are frustrated try to do something new
@Gigili alas no. it is still frustrating me
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@Gigili Available? What do you mean?
@Gigili FF reminds me of the FriendFeed website
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@Meysamرهادربند It also stands for FumbleFingers, an ELU user.
15:28
One by one, please.
@ClarkKent I know him. He has happened to answer some of my questions here
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@Meysamرهادربند Ah yes, he sometimes throws in some life stories in the comments.
the ants went marching one by one, hoorah, hoorah!
columnular!
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15:29
Sometimes, I throw in some life lessons in the comments too.
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@Gigili Ah, very weird. But I was actually referring to whether you noticed something weird about my typing today.
are you typing with your feet?
Like you type without thinking?
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No, @Gigili might know the answer.
@Gigili Is it me, or nobody can see this image?
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15:31
@Meysamرهادربند Wait a while.
@ClarkKent How long before it appears?
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OK, the answer is that I typed @Gigili today instead of @gigili. QED.
Oh, I was going to say Maria is typing on behalf of you.
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@Meysamرهادربند Depends. Sometimes I see nothing until 2 min later.
Good that you've learned special names should be capitalized.
It took a long time, but still.
15:33
@ClarkKent Fair enough
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@Gigili No, Maria does not exist.
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@Meysamرهادربند I'm not sure how it works though, just from experience.
@ClarkKent This QED is becoming quite ubiquitous.
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@Meysamرهادربند Wow, you used a difficult word there!
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The Ubuntu installer is called Ubiquity I think.
15:35
@ClarkKent I just wanted to show off
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And the Fedora installer is called Anaconda.
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@Meysamرهادربند lol
@ClarkKent Anaconda? Seems like an Amazonian word. Something that native people say in those jungles?
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Anaconda is supposed to have a major makeover in Fedora 18.
An anaconda is a large, nonvenomous snake found in tropical South America. Although the name actually applies to a group of snakes, it is often used to refer only to one species in particular, the common or green anaconda, Eunectes murinus, which is one of the largest snakes in the world. Anaconda may refer to: * Any member of the genus Eunectes, a group of large, aquatic snakes found in South America ** Eunectes murinus, the green anaconda, the largest species, is found east of the Andes in Colombia, Venezuela, the Guianas, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Brazil and on the island of Trinidad....
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15:37
@Meysamرهادربند Wow, it seems your English is really improving. I can see that your sentences are flowing more and more smoothly.
His English was good enough. You've been blind.
Iranians are smart like that.
@ClarkKent Thanks, that encourages me to talk more, lol
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@Gigili His
Oops
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@Meysamرهادربند Well, it must be the effects of this chat. I told you before: there is power in this room.
15:39
I don't have to talk.
@ClarkKent Being here is really helpful for learners
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@MattЭллен Have fun!
@ClarkKent Are you a fedora type of guy?
The weather is much better at night or in the evening.
Bye, Matt.
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15:41
@Meysamرهادربند Well, actually I am still undecided. But I think I still prefer Debian or Ubuntu LTS.
@Gigili Where? everywhere?
@ClarkKent Which desktop environment?
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@Meysamرهادربند GNOME shell, not Unity shell or KDE.
@Meysamرهادربند Here. I don't care about other places.
@ClarkKent I recently installed Mint with LXDE, and I sort of like it
Just the day after I deleted a contact, I need to call that person. It's always like that.
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15:44
@Gigili I only have 8 contacts in my gmail, haha.
@Gigili Cant you restore the contact from recycle bin?
I have over a million contacts in my phone.
I don't call my gmail contacts, you know.
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@Gigili I have none in the phone.
@Gigili Once I thought that only 9000 is a meme. Now I am beginning to realize that so many numbers are considered a meme
Yeah, it just depends on the person.
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15:46
@Meysamرهادربند Not meme, just a hyperbole.
One hundred and fifty nine is one of them.
@ClarkKent Once I thought that only 9000 is a hyperbole. Now I am beginning to realize that so many numbers are considered a hyperbole
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@Meysamرهادربند I actually find Ubuntu more polished than Mint.
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@Gigili That's a bus number here. I don't take that bus now.
@ClarkKent Why don't you take it no more?
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15:48
@Meysamرهادربند Because I don't go to the places it goes to!
Go take it. It's for luck.
@ClarkKent I don't like maximize and minimize icons to be to the left of the title bar in Ubuntu
@ClarkKent lol
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@Meysamرهادربند And on Ubuntu only Radiance and Ambiance themes work. Try other themes and they might mess up the display.
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@Gigili Yes, I need plenty of luck.
@ClarkKent Do you have Compiz installed?
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15:50
I use Clear Looks on GNOME 2 and Adwaita on GNOME 3.
29 mins ago, by Meysam رها در بند
@ClarkKent So bad, he might have ruined the future of some believers.
in Hub of Reason, Jan 25 '11 at 19:32, by Borror0
@Vitaly A good example of that would be William Lane Craig. He said that, even if he was to be transported back in time to witness the resurrection of Jesus and saw it not happen, he would still believe it did.
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@Meysamرهادربند Not sure, I don't use visual effects.
@ClarkKent It's nice. Try it.
Do you think Borror0 and Clarkkent are the same person?
in Hub of Reason, Jan 25 '11 at 19:32, by Borror0
Because that's what real Christians do.
15:52
Okay, I don't get the point.
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Oh no, did I open another can of worms?
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Oh no, did I open another can of worms?
Aha, if they're real believers they won't doubt their beliefs for that reason.
Got it, got it.
@Gigili The point is, those who actually “believe” will hardly accept any evidence that contradicts what they “believe”. No matter how much Sai Baba is debunked, the believers will still believe in him and visit his ashram.
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@Vitaly By the way those videos debunking him on youtube were very funny.
15:55
That's true, painfully true. I know the feeling.
@Vitaly That's why I am against believing in anything!
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I am inclined to believe that the resurrection is possible, but I am not Christian.
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Also, I am inclined to believe that the story of the man in India who does not need food or water might be true.
@ClarkKent That could be true
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@Meysamرهادربند Just like humans are superior to animals, and some humans are superior to others in various ways, people with special powers could exist.
15:58
I'm inclined to believe that putting QED at the end of a statement means it's proved.
I believe that not believing in anything makes one person ready to embrace the truth. QED.
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Have you wondered why some people can play the piano but others cannot? Similarly one might be able to resurrect but others may not.
I'm inclined to believe that the physics of our Universe is universal and cannot be violated by mammals living on an ordinary planet in an ordinary galaxy, even if they are smarter than other mammals (which humans are).
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More specifically, I believe in the existence of superhuman realms of existence, let's call them god realms, with beings called gods.
@ClarkKent That's exciting!
16:02
I'm inclined to believe that without unwritten rules civilized life is impossible.
@ClarkKent Chances are there are so many Gods, one of which we happen to know
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@Meysamرهادربند Yes. You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free!
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It is possible that the early church misrepresented the teachings and sayings of Jesus. He might not be who the bible says he is.
Fun fact: In every known religion, from Mesoamerica to obscure Polynesian mythologies, people worship entities that are believed to possess socially strategic information. Even if a creator is present in their mythologies, (s)he isn't worshipped unless (s)he happens to also possess socially strategic information. Which makes all worshipped deities suspiciously similar to vrey high-status primates in primate tribes.
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16:06
Just look at how people misrepresent others today.
I know the meaning of some English words but I cannot translate them.
Very disappointing.
@Vitaly Is there any example of those socially strategic information?
@Gigili Like what?
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@Gigili Try pasting into google translate?
GT sucks badly.
Like playlist.
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Then work from there.
16:10
and don't forget to copy first
works from there
copies first
You're damn helpful.
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@gigili After seeing all the fingers I am wondering how many fingers you have.
@Gigili Ok what's wrong? How may I help you?
@Meysamرهادربند Here's a general definition: Strategic information is the subset of all the information currently available (to a particular agent, about a particular situation) that activates the mental systems that regulate social interaction, which roughly means information about other people that somehow can be used to your advantage in social situations. For example, in some African religion, wood spirits are believed to know whether someone has committed adultery or not, that's socially
… strategic information. In Abrahamic religions like Christianity, Judaism, and Islam God is believed to know everything about you (omniscient).
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@Vitaly Did you just define that yourself?
16:12
There have been some experiments in which people were asked whether God knew if they have done something bad, and whether God knew how many atoms were in the chair they were sitting on.
@ClarkKent Nope, I remember that definition.
What does it mean? "make any files mobile anytime and from anywhere."
In any case, when they processed data from those experiments, they discovered that it took believers to say “Yes” to the second question three times more time than it took them to answer the first question positively.
make files mobile?
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@Gigili Maybe it means you can access the files at any time and place.
Which means that people use the social part of their mind when thinking about deities they worship.
16:16
@Vitaly So...? Frankly, does it prove or refute anything?
@Meysamرهادربند Um, it proves that people use the social part of their mind when thinking about deities they worship? :D
@Vitaly Maybe, but nothing beyond that :)
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Oh our dear Sonic has done a blog post on Christianity.
@Meysamرهادربند Sure. Religion is an interesting phenomenon to study from the viewpoint of evolutionary psychology, anthropology, and social psychology.
who's your dear Sonic?
16:18
None of those are concerned with the existence of deities in general. Only with that particular phenomenon we can directly observe in humans.
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@Meysamرهادربند A user with username Sonic The HedgeHog.
@Vitaly Right on!
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It is interesting how the messages I expect not to be starred are starred and vice-versa.
@ClarkKent May I know where they blog is?
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@Meysamرهادربند christianity.blogoverflow.com
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16:20
I am referring to the SE community blogs.
@ClarkKent blogoverflow! such a nice name
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@Meysamرهادربند He's called chaosgamer on that site, not sonic.
Who are eligible to write in those blogs?
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Anyone on ELU may write a post on the ELU blog, just get it approved or something.
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Same for the other sites then.
16:22
Speaking about proofs, the earliest account of a scientific experiment I know is, ironically, the story of Elijah and the priests of Baal. Back in the day when they were writing the Old Testament, they actually used to think that religions (at least particular religions) could be proved or disproved through contests between priests of different religions.
The whole notion that “religion is non-disprovable” is a quite modern concept that only appeared with the advent of the scientific method.
Sure, it's impossible to (dis)prove the existence of deities in general, just as it's impossible to (dis)prove the existence of a teapot orbiting the Sun, but when a specific religion makes a specific claim…
@ClarkKent Is it possible to get an anti-Christianity blog post approved and posted on christianity.blogoverflow.com ?
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@Meysamرهادربند Haha, I don't know.
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To say whether something is provable or not one has to define proof first.
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To say whether something is true or not one has to define truth first.
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The more one thinks about truth and proof, the more one realizes that one does not really know what he is thinking about.
16:28
@Vitaly Once I read a book called "The God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins". The teapot orbiting the Sun was mentioned in there.
Yeah, Russell's teapot.
Russell's teapot, sometimes called the celestial teapot or cosmic teapot, is an analogy first coined by the philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872–1970) to illustrate the idea that the philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making scientifically unfalsifiable claims rather than shifting the burden of proof to others, specifically in the case of religion. Russell wrote that if he claimed that a teapot were orbiting the Sun somewhere in space between the Earth and Mars, it would be nonsensical for him to expect others to believe him on the grounds that they could not prove him wr...
@ClarkKent The LessWrong definition is: correspondence between map and territory.
Where map is the set of beliefs you have about reality, and territory is reality.
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@Vitaly Wow, you always quote from that site. Seems I should read it too.
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@Vitaly I did not know he lived such a long life.
How long?
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@Gigili 98.
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16:34
1970-1872=98. QED.
I have a Swiss friend who is 87 years old.
He plays tennis everyday.
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To compute his age, one mentally does 1970-1872=1972-2-1872=1972-1872-2=100-2.
No, I calculate it like it needs 28 to 1900, so 98.
I didn't open the article, by the way.
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@Gigili Fascinating.
<nagging mode> The ping notification is so blurry in FF.</nagging mode>
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16:38
@Gigili Have you been virused?
I don't know, I wasn't informed if.
17:02
@Vitaly couldn't more likely mean that people find it easier to imagine being bad than all the atoms in a chair?
@MattЭллен You don't need to imagine that. You need to imagine what the deity you worship knows.
@Vitaly but to do that you need to understand what imagining that means
otherwise how can you imagine someone else imagining it?
Hello!
How are you today?
17:06
ok. How are you?
I'm good, in Bio class.
Hello.
@David: Are any judges in NZ elected?
I think not, but the Wiki articles aren't entirely clear.
@MattЭллен Good point. I'm not a huge fan of such research methods.
@Cerberus I'm not against the idea of god as a social construct, I just like to express the possible confounds I see in a method. I can imagine ways to make it work, but I've not read the paper.
@MattЭллен Same here.
Though I am perhaps even more sceptical.
imagines what the deity I worship knows
17:21
Hey @Kit, can you tell me (in one or two words) when a case comes before a federal court and when before a state court?
(We only have national courts.)
When it is about a federal law, federal court. State law, state court.
Ahh...
That makes sense. And is there a way to guess which law a case is about (state or federal), without looking at specific laws?
Categories?
Well, general stuff is usually federal: murder, larceny, anything interstate.
Is any appeal to the Constitution automatically federal?
@Cerberus Yes, I am inclined to agree. There are many flawed studies like that one. I recently read a disturbing study where they all just assumed that frogs were mistaking moving dots on a screen for flies. They never even considered the possibility that frogs were being playful or wanted to satisfy the experimenters. Crazy, huh?
17:24
@Cerberus Good question. I don't know, but I doubt it.
@KitFox Hmm so either reaching over state boundaries, or very serious?
@KitFox Noted.
@Cerberus Yes.
States have their own constitutions as well.
@Vitaly, speaking of crazy, here is my recent social experiment:
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A: Is there an adjective form of Jubilee?

KitFoxJubilant fits well here, although it doesn't come from the same root apparently.

I received more upvotes after I admitted that I was wrong.
@Vitaly Hmm yeah, those options should at least be considered, although they are perhaps not very likely? And then there may be other options that we haven't thought of yet. So some intermediate, concrete links or steps should be investigated.
@KitFox Ohh...that's complicated. What kind of things would there be in state constitutions? Presumably not things that could also be in the federal one?
Fry face
@Cerberus There's the rub. This is one of the foundational issues with same-sex marriage.
17:28
Is that accurate?
Dunno.
But that's not as much of an issue as same-sex marriage, which has the possibly of having an interstate effect.
Yes, yes.
@Vitaly What does this mean? A Stephen-Fry face?
17:32
Let's consider an interesting example. A married gay couple from Massachusetts commits fraud in North Carolina. Can one of the men be compelled to testify against the other?
Oh, dear.
@KitFox So this is still uncertain?
@Cerberus States are compelled to respect the laws of other states.
@Vitaly Very clear. I understand everything now.
@KitFox Oh that too...and if the federation, the state, and some other state say a different thing each...
17:34
That's why federal law governs all interstate relations.
Somehow I never hear people use the word "federation" in this context.
That's why we have a federal government.
Even though it would fit so nicely.
Well, the feds trump.
Ah I was going to say that.
17:35
But sometimes, you will find...leniency.
but the federation includes the Vulcans, so it can get confusing
For instance, possession of a small amount of marijuana is legal in my state (for personal use).
But federal law clearly bans all possession. Zero tolerance, you might say.
So does "the laws of the state and the federation" sound off to you (meaning e.g. Californian and federal laws)?
The US AG office issued us a memorandum announcing that it would not seek to charge anyone carrying under the state mandated minimum amount.
17:37
Ah OK.
That sounds like Holland.
So essentially, the feds said that they would yield to state law.
In that particular case.
We have a name for an official policy that explicitly ignores the law.
Gedoogbeleid.
Googleblood.
one born of the Google!
Degooglebide
17:39
You couldn't pronounce it.
Well, you could if I trained you.
what does training cost?
Your dignity.
/xə.''do:x.bə.'lɛit/
Hey @Vit, that fry face was directed at Cerb, right?
@MattЭллен Pain.
17:41
@Cerberus blessyou
See?
@Cerberus well, if it's the good kind, I can take it
@MattЭллен It involves choking and frustration.
oh, like work then
Haha.
Yes.
Working while choking.
17:43
I've seen videos like that
On illegal sites?
oh, it's all legal!
(unrelated)
Hmm I'm afraid I know too little to get that.
Hello
@Cerberus it's Christopher Walken (acclaimed actor) speaking the lyrics to Poker Face, which is normally sung by lady gaga (pop singer)
17:49
Ah OK.
I knew Lady Gaga was a singer. And Walken's name sounds familiar.
Hello!
I didn't know I could create my own room
:)
Helloooooooo
Is anyone there?
Somewhere....
:D
Maybe if you are bored I could help. I need some help badly
:D
I'm listening.

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