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> Branding (also known as Visual Identity, Brand Management, or Corporate Design), is very important in successful marketing. Mangaka and character designers who provide immediately recognizable faces grant fans the ability to know in an instant that this is a title they are interested in, and whenever they hear an announcement that the same creator is starting a new series, they can know exactly what to expect.
Studio Ghibli has crafted simple character designs that strike a chord, make the protagonist easily likable, and garner sentimentality from the viewers. This strategy ensures repeat
@Robusto That would be nice.
> Welcome to the wonderful and slightly creepy world of the Gyaru.

Pronounced ‘gi-ha-roo‘ (a Japanese transliteration of the English word gal) it’s a subculture made up of fashion conscious Japanese women and girls essentially rejecting their own oriental features and aesthetic traditions.

Since the culture first gained popularity in the 70s and 80s, many sub-genres have sprouted from it, ranging from the outrageous to the relatively tame looks you saw in the before & after photographs above. Yes, those are the relatively tame ones.
Maybe it also has something to do with this.
Because the looks are similar, and the European look is also evident in both.
 
All women everywhere hide their own features.
You look at a man, you're looking at their face.
You look at a woman, you're looking at an abstract painting.
 
@Cerberus What, 'gi-ha-roo'? That is not a transliteration of English gal. Where do they get the ha? This would actually be two syllables: ギャル.
@RegDwigнt Painting, yes. Abstract? I think not. It's quite representational.
 
No idea!
 
I dunno.
 
I wonder whether this is real.
The article.
 
3:05 PM
Well, again. I suppose you've never seen Kim Kardashian. Or Beatrix of the Netherlands, for that matter.
 
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Q: What is the word/ phrase that describes figurative things like conflict,doctorine,drama etc?

SpecterIs abstraction the right word? Does abstract phenomenon make sense ? Pardon me if I sound inarticulate.

What is a doctorine?
 
> In Korea, a cosmetic surgery that creates a new fold in the eyes to make them appear larger and rounder has become so popular that it has been speculated 4/5 women living in Seoul have had the operation.
 
Is it like a nectarine?
 
No, it's more like gasoline.
Conflict, gasoline, drama.
Conflict, nectarine, drama doesn't really work now does it.
 
> “Koreans agree on what constitutes a pretty face,” says a head doctor at a Korean hospital. “The consensus, now, is a smaller, more sharply defined youthful face — a more or less Westernized look. That makes 90 percent of Koreans potential patients because they’re not born with that kind of face.”
 
3:07 PM
Oh fuck not the Koreans.
Cerberus' racism is showing.
 
@Cerberus So that's a Korean transliteration?
 
He went from Totoro to Korea and didn't even notice.
 
@Robusto No idea!
 
@RegDwigнt There might be a new class of anime — nectarine anime!
 
Thanks, I'm not done with the octopi yet.
 
3:08 PM
> Kawaii (literally, “lovable”, “cute”, or “adorable”) is the quality of cuteness in the context of Japanese culture. It has become a prominent aspect of Japanese popular culture, entertainment, clothing, food, toys, and most importantly, personal appearance, behavior, and mannerisms.

It’s claimed that Kawaii Syndrome, a.k.a “cute” syndrome has replaced the former Japanese aesthetics of “beautiful” and “refined”.

‘In Japan, cuteness is expected of men and women. Many Japanese men are drawn to the owner of cute merchandise, because it is reminiscent of little girls, and Japanese women try
All from the same article.
 
> In Britain, it is perfectly fine to call women Octopussy and Pussy Galore. Pussy (literally, "pussy") is the quality of woman in the context of British culture.
See, I can make shit up, too.
 
"The former Japanese aesthetics of “beautiful” and “refined”: this is what I do find immediately intuitive and recognisable.
 
@Cerberus Well, yes, that's nothing new. The most frequently heard utterance from a Japanese female's mouth seems to be かわいいね (kawaii ne) meaning "Cute!"
 
Wait, since when are women allowed to speak in Japan.
 
Or かわいいよ (kawaii yo).
 
3:12 PM
Also, Yamaha > Kawai.
 
@RegDwigнt Since time immemorial.
Excuse me, immemoriaru.
 
Purohesaru Immoriaruti
 
Wasn't he Mussolini's major domo?
 
Or chi, actually.
Moriarty would be Moriarchi.
@Robusto dunno, major homo questions are best directed at Cerberus.
 
@Robusto Quite odd!
I really wonder how that happened, since it is not traditional.
 
3:15 PM
@Cerberus Well, to be fair, regarding the large eyes, I have seen what it looks like when they do try to make the eyes somewhat realistic and it looks like there is a huge void in the middle of the face:
 
I doubt whether it existed before the 20th century.
 
@Tonepoet if you look at any human skull, there is a huge void right in the middle of the face.
Most people even have a huge void inside their skull.
 
@RegDwight Skulls are not the same as living faces. They have even less of a nose than what is evident in anime. =P
 
Maybe I'm the only one, then, who finds Chinese calligraphy, Japanese dress, Korean temples immediately relatable, but the aesthetic of Japanese post-war cartoons and pop fashion incomprehensible.
@Tonepoet Were you going to post a picture?
I even like Chinese opera, to a degree!
 
@Cerberus Yeah, for some reason my attempt to paste in a link failed.
 
3:19 PM
And some Chinese literature (translated, of course).
I also understand the Japanese (and other East-Asian) tendency towards social complexity and formality, even though I do not share it.
 
Here's a picture for you.
 
@Cerberus I find pop fashion itself incomprehensible in any language.
 
This is not a Japanese woman, mind.
 
Haha.
But that is hardly how everyone here looks.
 
> Teenage gay boys on instagram are the only people with coherent vision of contemporary womanhood.
From that video.
I can't say she doesn't have a point.
 
3:21 PM
@Robusto To some degree. But this is a whole different world.
 
@RegDwigнt Looks like she's wearing a kabuki mask.
 
@RegDwigнt I wouldn't care to know...
@Tonepoet A good example.
 
@Tonepoet The nose and mouth would get swallowed up in a single one of the eyes.
 
@Cerberus well yeah, my point. The same applies to your willingness to know about the Japanese.
 
3:23 PM
That is not what I meant.
 
I have had an enormous willingness to know about the Japanese. There are still things that I know about but do not even remotely understand.
 
I do not care for Instagram, nor for "coherent visions of contemporary womanhood".
 
Exactly my point.
 
Nor for teenage gay boys.
 
The incoherent visions are more fun than the coherent ones, I guess.
 
3:24 PM
But they don't go to school looking like that every day.
 
You'd rather make superficial observations about the three things that do sift through to you through all the filters that you've erected.
 
Superficial, necessarily.
 
That's why I stayed away from Instagram, mind.
 
I'm just surprised at how utterly unrelatable those things are, while many other things from East Asia—in fact, most of what I see from before European influence—, is entirely relatable.
 
@Robusto Perhaps they are larger than normal eyes, but they are smaller relative to other anime eyes and even, so I think you can see my point about the gap. It'd look even worse if those eyes were smaller. She'd look more like a weird extraterrestrial fish than a person. XD
 
3:25 PM
I find anime exceptionally relatable.
Maybe that's because I actually watch it.
 
I find it exceptionally unrelatable.
 
Then how about watching it.
 
And I am open to Chinese opera!
@RegDwigнt I have watched some of it.
 
When I do understand anime I am generally bored by it.
 
Well there's that. But that applies to most Western art.
 
3:27 PM
I generally am bored by Rick and Morty too.
 
Somehow, it smacks of (cultural) colonialism. But maybe that's not right, I don't know the exact history.
 
I refuse to watch Rick and Morty.
 
My son's always trying to get me to watch it.
 
Well, that's exactly my problem.
 
All that Adult Swim stuff that is totally lit to him just makes me yawn.
 
3:28 PM
The quality of the show seems to be only surpassed by the insufferable fanboism of its fans.
 
Aren't there two i's in fanboiism?
 
So for me, it's kind of the I-don't-want-to-be-part-of-any-club-that-accepts-me situation but in reverse.
@Robusto not now that I've only put one in it.
Now that I've only put one in it, there's only one.
Works with most things. You should try.
 
See, that was your mistake right there. You can point to it.
 
True, but I can also point to a rhinoceros instead.
 
Might be time to use a y instead, for differentiation: fanboyism.
 
3:30 PM
Oh nonononono.
Do you even internet.
Fanboy is so not the same as fanboi.
 
@RegDwigнt I know the feeling.
 
Yet for the purposes of orthography an exception might be made.
 
Again, do you even internet.
Orthography no exist's hear.
 
At some point when enough people have told you how you really must see/do x, I become immune to it and will refuse to have anything to do with it, even though I might have enjoyed it otherwise.
Like Harry Potter and cocaine.
I just have no interest in those things.
 
I dabble in internetting. But I only do that in the hope of finding useful, interesting stuff. Which may explain why I am so often disappointed.
 
3:32 PM
I actually tried Harry Potter. Wish I'd tried cocaine instead.
 
Didn't like it?
 
Cocaine is a much better high than Harry Potter.
 
Or too addictive?
 
I'd rather read Dan Brown.
 
Haven't read him either.
 
3:33 PM
When my sons were reading all the Harry Potter books I tried to read the first one ... and collapsed in an epic fail after only 50 pages.
 
Haha.
 
You lasted longer than me.
 
What was your impression?
 
I tried reading the third or fourth book I believe.
 
@RegDwigнt I was really really trying.
 
3:33 PM
I'm surprised to find two people who haven't read / didn't like HP!
 
I wanted to kill myself after twelve pages.
Insufferable fucking garbage.
 
Do tell me why!
 
She's a terrible writer.
No wonder she's so successful.
 
I think almost everyone else I know has read and likes HP.
 
@Cerberus because that's what she wrote? Why are you asking me why she wrote insufferable garbage?
 
3:34 PM
Haha.
@RegDwigнt Because you're so wise.
 
2 mins ago, by Cerberus
At some point when enough people have told you how you really must see/do x, I become immune to it and will refuse to have anything to do with it, even though I might have enjoyed it otherwise.
 
Yes, HP was an example of that.
BUT I'm always eager to know why I should hate x!
 
I remember I actually liked the first movie. Though that one, too, I watched like five years after it had come out and the dust had all settled.
 
And she clearly doesn't understand game mechanics. I mean, WTF is quidditch?
 
Rob told me why I should hate the books from the Game of Thrones.
 
3:35 PM
But yeah, from there it kept deteriorating. I stopped caring about the movies after the third, and stopped watching after the fifth.
 
Right.
 
She has a game where you can score a nuclear first strike that renders all other scoring moot?
 
@RegDwigнt 0v c0r53 d3r3 15 07hogrp1. 175 c11d 1337.
 
I 'liked' the GoT series as well, but only because it is an addictive soap opera.
 
Where's the fun in that?
 
3:36 PM
I quit after the second season or so.
 
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@RegDwigнt So I would be interested to hear what you didn't like about HP.
 
I find GoT tedious but watchable.
 
GoT is like Downton Abbey.
 
@Cerberus I might as well watch Will and Grace, then.
 
3:37 PM
An addictive soap opera: nothing more, but nothing less.
@RegDwigнt Why not! At least that isn't serious.
 
And to think you could actually spend some of that time watching Miyazaki.
 
I have a lower standard for comedy, I think.
 
@Cerberus Except the Downton Abbey rulers are more insidious.
 
Although I do watch Star Trek...but that is mainly for sentimental reasons.
@Robusto No doubt!
 
@Cerberus What? Clowns on ice hitting each other with slapsticks?
 
3:39 PM
And slightly less cruel?
@Robusto Well, there is low and low.
 
GoT tortures its characters; Downton Abbey tortures its audience.
 
How so?
 
Oh, come on!
You were the one complaining when they killed off whatsisname.
 
I just like e.g. Brideshead a lot better, because it is less soapy.
 
@Robusto quidditch is actually the epitome of how she writes about shit that is a) obviously shit and b) she has no idea how to fix. That was everyone's chance to see through her act and jump off the wagon.
 
3:41 PM
@Robusto I actually don't even remember whom they killed off.
If you can read or watch Brideshead Revisited (I have someone hot managed to watch the series), then why watch Downton. The latter is addictive and it can be fun, but at some people it began to irritate me.
 
@Robusto dunno about the show, but the book tried to kill me before it tried to kill any of the characters.
 
Harry Potter should be disqualified because it's actually The Matrix in disguise.
 
Certainly the Matrix in disguise is just the Matrix?
 
I'm totally sick of the Chosen One plot. It's been done to death.
 
So I still haven't heard what's so bad about HP.
 
3:42 PM
Oh but it's not One this time, it's Neo.
 
@Robusto Agree.
Even in literature from 2500 years ago, it's only a sub-plot.
 
@Cerberus you did. But you chose to ignore it.
 
Also of the white hero who alone can face evil. That's what Donald Trump wants to represent himself as.
 
@RegDwigнt Like what?
 
Like that it's shit.
 
3:44 PM
@Robusto After so many years of Hollywood repetition, it's all those films and series can think of...and games, too.
@RegDwigнt That's not very specific.
It's not a why.
 
I came off the rails when Dumbledore gave Harry's stepbrother (?) a pig's tail. "This is shit," I said to myself, "and I know that a future acquaintance named RegDwight will agree with me."
 
We gave you the specifics. On this occasion and previous ones.
Also why do you care.
 
We don't know why we're throwing up, exactly, only that the toilet basin is an unpleasant place to have to put your face in.
 
@Robusto I think the first couple of books were written for children?
 
Like, I never once asked Rob why he hated this game or that. I just accepted it. Because no matter what I say, can't change the fact that he hated it. And no matter what he says can't change the fact that I did not. So what's the fucking point.
It's all so childish.
 
3:46 PM
@Cerberus Who were the others written for? Bankers?
 
The point is that I like to understand why people like or dislike something.
 
I love HP but you must love it too otherwise my love doesn't feel right to me.
 
@Robusto Presumably adults?
 
Or Lytton Strachey.
 
@Cerberus HP is shit because I could write like that myself. A fucking unemployed single mom from Gloucestershire could write like that.
 
3:47 PM
But what things in particular are so bad?
 
All the things. Literally.
 
The writing. The plotting. The details.
 
There is not a single good thing I can possibly say about the books.
 
I really can't read a book whose prose I don't respect.
 
What's bad about the writing? Bad style? Childish?
 
3:48 PM
It uses some nouns, I guess that's a neutral thing that I could say. But even that is not a stellar thing, you know.
@Cerberus have you read a book before?
 
No.
 
See.
 
Bad style. Childish. Etc.
 
Go read Dan Brown.
 
OK.
 
3:49 PM
Then you'll know WTF is bad about JK Rowling.
 
Is the style bad only because it's childish, or are there other defects?
 
Mind you, I've read a ton of children's books. Both as a child and as an adult.
There's not many, but quite a few, books that I still cherish as an adult as much as I did as a kid.
So I'm not letting her use that for an excuse, either.
 
Children's books can be written well, in such a way that an adult will recognise skill or even erudition.
 
Precisely.
 
I would much rather read Ursula K. Leguin's wizard tales. They are far superior, and so far less popular.
 
3:50 PM
@Cerberus With HP, you don't need to be an adult to recognise the lack of both.
 
Do you like Dunsany(sp?)?
 
@Robusto yeah that's just unfair. I didn't want to bring out the banhamma.
@Cerberus never heard of him.
 
Here's an experiment, @Cerb: Go to your local library and check out A Wizard of Earthsea. Tell me if you don't find it superior to any Harry Potter book ever.
 
To any book, period.
 
@RegDwigнt Early Fantasy/SF.
 
3:51 PM
A Wizard of Earthsea is a fantasy novel written by American author Ursula K. Le Guin and first published by the small press Parnassus in 1968. It is regarded as a classic of fantasy and children's literature and has been widely influential within the genre. The story is set in the fictional archipelago of Earthsea and centers around a young mage named Ged, born in a village on the island of Gont. He displays great power while still a boy and joins the school of wizardry, where his prickly nature drives him into conflict with one of his fellows. During a magical duel, Ged's spell goes awry a...
 
The second one is even better in some ways though not all.
Really, all four books are quite different.
 
And quite good.
 
We told him about LeGuin before.
Many times over.
It's no use.
 
In fifty years people will wonder what all the fuss was about. Rowling will be as popular then as Wilkie Collins is now.
 
May 10 '13 at 18:16, by Robusto
@Cerberus Rowling isn't fit to wipe Ursula K. LeGuin's ass. You want to read a really good wizard novel, try A Wizard of Earthsea.
 
3:53 PM
At the risk of ostracizing myself, I liked the first Harry Potter book, not so much for the characters as it was for the entertaining happenings in the stories. In that regard it was reminiscent of Roald Dahl's writing. However what I found is that each progressive book got worse as the series tried to add melodrama and tragedy.
 
@Robusto Quite probably!
 
Look at that time stamp and weep.
And he still hasn't so much as opened one of them.
 
Le Guinn was already on my reading-list.
 
Yeah yeah.
 
@RegDwigнt Sí.
 
3:54 PM
I stopped reading it near the beginning of book four...
 
@Cerberus You need to bump her up in the queue.
 
@Tonepoet I do like Dahl!
At least some of it.
 
@Tonepoet which is where I started reading it, so maybe now you can understand how I must feel.
 
I like Dahl's perversity.
 
I never got into the Earthsea novels. I read the first two? three? But I found them uninteresting. I've loved the other LeGuin books I've read, but not Earthsea.
 
3:55 PM
@Cerberus Yeah yeah but not Japanese girls with big eyes.
 
Oh, dear!
Bring down the battle-drums from the attic!
 
Heh.
 
@RegDwigнt Not that perverse!
 
@terdon I genuinely almost shat my pants on a couple occasions while reading the first two. At the age of 30+, mind.
 
I've never seen the film The Witches. It was said to be so scary that you couldn't sleep, when we were children.
OMG I sound like Jasper.
 
3:57 PM
Right, gotta run anyway.
CU guys.
 
@RegDwigнt Many have. I dunno, they just didn't work for me. I didn't care about the characters, I found the story boring, I dunno.
 
Bai!
 
@Cerberus I took my son to see that when he was six and we had to leave after about 10 minutes.
 
Understandable.
 
@RegDwigнt Laterz. I have to go too.
 
3:58 PM
The book I did read, and it also made me scared.
Bai2!
 
Bis später ...
 
4:40 PM
@Cerberus Then you might like Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. The story takes itself a little more seriously than Dahl's, and it is more combative in nature, but the Dursleys seem to take inspiration from wicked Dahl characters like the Weaslewoods and you'll see a good number of magical things, albeit less densely packed. I think the scene on the train regarding what candy wizards eats is perhaps the most memorable, despite their terrible taste in jelly beans.
^Wormwoods
Forget the fact that I misspelled weasel, it was entirely the wrong sort of creature. v_v
 
@Tonepoet Noted.
> However, The Witches was banned by some libraries due to perceived misogyny.[3] It appears on the American Library Association list of the 100 Most Frequently Challenged Books of 1990 to 1999, at number 22.[4] Some critics consider the book sexist,[5] with one stating that the book is how boys learn to become men who hate women.
"Challenged" books? What does that mean?
 
@Cerberus Objectionable.
 
And what does that mean, an objectionable book?
 
4:58 PM
@Cerberus It means that libraries are meant only for children, and that children are too naïve to think for themselves so the book is rejected from the library and Reverend Lovejoy is called to dispose of it in the following fashion:
 
I don't really understand that.
But OK.
 
@Cerberus To be fair, I don't understand it either. =P
 
> Dahl regarded the film as "utterly appalling".[8]
 
@Cerberus I think I heard that about Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, which was based off of his book Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. That alone indicates much about how much the producers respected the work of the original author, so of course he would find it distasteful.
 
He should have demanded more of a say in the production of those films, then.
 
5:12 PM
Perhaps, but money talks and he's no film-maker. Making matters worse for Mr. Dahl in particular is that his writings suggest that he is the sort of person who likes a pleasant surprise, which is difficult to do with something of your own crafting, although that he might have wanted to be surprised is purely guesswork on my part.
 
He should have enough money from his books to set the terms.
 
5:43 PM
If Rowling is bad, then Tolkien is awful
If Rick and Morty is crap, then South Park is shit
 
Tolkien is great.
 
If Downton Abbey is boring, then Game of Thrones is anesthesia
@Cerberus I'm just stating relative quality
as a universal truth
So if you say that Tolkien is great...
(The Twin Towers is undeniably boring)...
the Rowling is that much better
But the Quidditch rules are ones that no real life game, as arbitrary and empty as real life games are, would ever make. It's the poorest of plot devices.
I'm sure Rowling never cared about sports and it shows in her childish conception of how sports works, and then she twists it for her lame plot devices.
Just to note, Frodo and Bilbo, each in their own stories, are 'the Chosen one'
Also, the UK leaving the EU with no deal will hurt the EU but will be catastrophic for the UK.
Here's my solution.
Since the UK is screwed, they should become a few extra states of the US.
There.
You can all work out the details now.
You're welcome
You know, kind of a reunion of the commonwealth.
Rule Britannia blah blah bla h blha blah blha...
blah blah blablablablab never will be slaves (But will reserve the right to employ other people at 'below standard' wages)
 
Theresa Mitch!
 
blushes
 
You can be governess of the UK
like Mary poppins but wildly unpopular
 
5:53 PM
"You my not go out and play until you've finished working out a trade agreement with Guam"
 
there go my plans for emigrating to the UK.
Aren't there palm trees on Manx?
it's like the Costa del Sol but with fried Mars bars
 
I don't know. There are palm trees in Cornwall
 
@MattE.Эллен oh.
Cornwall
hm
 
Or Kernow as it will be called after it separates from the union
 
5:55 PM
???
Wha?
and join Brittany?
 
maybe it will team up with Wales
 
Spears, that is.
 
oh. Wales seems more likely
native born palms?
or just someone planted one there on a lark and it never died as expected?
 
that I don't know. I don't think so. possibly an invasive species
 
5:57 PM
hm..
 
brought across from America by the grey squirrels
 
those little bastards
rats with cute fuzzy tails
 
coming over here, usurping our red squirrels
 
ew... usurping.
wait..
you don't have grey squirrels there?
 
we didn't
 
5:58 PM
er... before the cornwall invasion?
do you have chipmunks?
 
they came carrying a disease that killed off most of our reds
no chipmunks
 
too bad.
chipminks are like squirrels but even cuter
and siices fit easier on a cracker
 

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