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9:10 PM
wait what
1. Heitkamp is screwed
2. IT'S A LITTLE LATE Y'ALL
 
more like start of month deadline
 
> we're running out of time
checks watch
Cutting it a bit close, huh?
 
the left: "voting is not enough!"
the dnc, jingling a change can: "thats right"
 
They'll have to pull their ads if they don't get enough money by tonight and also because the election will be over!
Foxconn denies recruiting Chinese workers to staff Wisconsin plant http://hill.cm/IVhVOZF
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
 
@TimStone how are you going to buy ad time now?
@Unionhawk hue
@TimStone how did scott walker think this would go any other way?
 
9:15 PM
Has nobody noticed that this is how Chinese business works abroad? They get sweetheart deals to place factories and other infrastructure and then they bring in their own contractors.
 
at the same time, chinese workers moving to wisconsin still boosts the tax base
 
Yeah but his whole thing was that it was reasonable to sell the state to Foxconn because there'd be jobs
 
It's exactly why Africa has a sizable Asian population now.
 
@TimStone there are jobs
jobs for wisconsin residents too
just not jobs for the people who thought they would get them
(guaranteeing jobs to americans has always struck me as a bit xenophobic anyway)
 
@Yuuki I mean Scott Walker hasn't noticed he is, in fact, a complete jackass, so I suspect he didn't notice this either
Pennsylvania man threatens to shoot up polling location when told he wasn't registered to vote http://hill.cm/U1CAWA3
Okay on the one hand this is violent and unhinged but on the other hand we should all be so invested in democracy
 
9:19 PM
@TimStone dafuq
same day registration (or just get rid of registration all together) imo
 
> Energy cost of 'mining' bitcoin more than twice that of copper or gold: New research reveals that cryptocurrencies require far more electricity per-dollar than it takes to mine most real metals
 
She voted straight ticket Republican to "drain the swamp"
 
> The modelling boundaries to determine energy requirements for metals generally considered fuel and energy inputs and excluded sources from infrastructure, such as the energy to produce road-ways or develop the equipment to mine.
> They went that way because they also didn't consider the cost to build a computer.
 
Sounds about right
RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel on Bloomberg TV downplays significance of Democrat takeover of the House, says not a "blue wave" unless near the 63 seat wipeout Obama/Pelosi faced in 2010
lmao
 
9:32 PM
Moving the goalposts
 
why is registering to vote a thing?
 
Although I'm hoping Dems do get that many seats
Dunno. It isn't in every state.
 
shouldn't you be registered by showing your ID?
 
We don't have mandatory ID
 
bold of you to assume that ID is universal lmao
 
9:33 PM
well, are photo ID's not common or what?
 
A couple of states allow voting (with ID) without any registration. A few others you can register on election day (but you still have to register).
 
Commonality varies but it is by no means universal.
Not every American will have a photo ID although many do.
 
@Chippies registering is necessary to determine if you're eligible to vote in that specific place. But sane countries have that and don't require any additional manual registering for elections
 
Right. Common but not universal. And since voting is a constitutionally protected right, you can't just say "oh well, this covers MOST people"
 
yeah registering to vote is a thing so they can turn people away because of "reasons"
 
9:34 PM
@Yuuki it's kinda sad that owning a photo ID is not a mandatory thing, imho
 
instead of just "voting machine br0ke"
wait
 
I got fined once in Latvia for having an expired passport, because a valid passport is a mandatory document there
 
"oh sorry u actually had to say you wanted to vote 60 days ago"
 
I can't just randomly vote anywhere. I have to vote in the assigned place, which is determined by my home address. And then I don't even need any ID, you automatically get a letter notifying you of the election and you just bring that along
 
"the signature on file looks different what the hell"
 
9:36 PM
@Unionhawk You also had to be able to vote 60 days ago.
 
@MadScientist so, you could sell the letter, eh?
that's... safe
 
Thus, newly naturalized citizens can't vote because they couldn't register 60 days ago.
 
@Yuuki I don't believe this is correct in any state, I believe you register based on your 11/x birth date--oh
 
Despite probably living the country for the past decade.
 
hm yeah prob
 
9:37 PM
"why does this guy keep coming back to vote over and over?"
"oh whatever, he has letters"
 
@Chippies they can ask for ID, if there is any suspicion. Of course it would be possible to cheat that way, but it's pretty much impossible to do that on a scale that actually would be dangerous
@Chippies once you vote, they cross-check the voter registry for that specific place and cross you out. You can only vote once
 
@MadScientist I meant different letters, as in, from multiple people :P
 
it's all on paper, counted by hand, very low tech, and we still have the results almost as soon as the polls close usually
 
it still seems weird to me that there is no one mandatory photo id that people have to have in US and Canada
 
we even have mandatory ID for every adult, and we still don't require it always when voting
 
9:40 PM
@Chippies We have a whole subculture of distrusting the government, it's good stuff
If they don't know who you are, then ??? 3. Profit. taps head
 
it's entirely ridiculous now, when the government has so much more information about everyone than a mandatory ID could ever provide
 
@TimStone basically a get out of jail free card that you don't have to carry around, because you don't have one
if you have it though, it doesn't work
(that probably only made sense in my mind)
 
Even if you don't require ID at all, you still sign a log book under penalty of perjury that you are who you say you are. And the truth is that research shows that is enough to dissuade cheaters
 
@BradC but you still need to register?
 
@TimStone And of course because having a universal ID is actually pretty damn useful, we have to make do with Social Security cards which are emphatically not meant for that purpose and are insecure as hell.
 
9:43 PM
Research has found, in the past 50 years, like... a literal handful (9? 20?) of in-person voter fraud
 
@Yuuki Yeah this is pretty great and hilarious but also terrifyingly bad
 
@Chippies In most states, yes. So they can find you name in the book and check it off
 
@BradC but what I'm saying is that if they asked for ID, they can register you on the spot
 
I have to register every time I move to a different place. That's it. Anything else works based on that one register.
 
@BradC There was that one case of that woman who literally admitted she voted for Trump twice in the last election
 
9:44 PM
1) look at ID
2) enter info in the computer
3) person goes to vote
4) mark the checkbox on the computer that the person has voted
 
@Chippies Yes. 15 states have same-day voter registration. Others have to register within 30 or 60 or 90 days
 
@MadScientist so is that a one time thing or you have to register for every election?
 
Oops, 17 states. One-time thing.
 
@BradC this just seems like terrible design
shouldn't all states be unified as a country?
the states seem to act as countries themselves
 
@Chippies Its a consequence of allowing individual states to run their elections.
Yep, that's how it works
 
9:46 PM
@Chippies I never register for elections. I have to register my home address, this is a general residents registry that is used also for determining where to file your taxes and stuff like that. And that is also used for elections
 
US hurts my brain
 
Although I'm hoping that Dems can push through some better federal voting laws
To require all states to do better in certain areas (requiring paper ballots and randomized recounts, for example, to avoid and catch errors, etc)
 
Some ideas for fairer elections:
 
@BradC "errors"
 
1. move Columbus Day to the same day as the elections
2. Voting Rights act applies to all states, not just those with a history of vote abuse
I think those 2 laws would solve a lot of issues with voter turnout and suppression
 
9:55 PM
why don't you just vote on Sundays?
 
@Chippies It's important to remember that a lot of this was established back in the early days of the US when everything was a disjoint shitshow beholden purely to the whims of white male landowners, so the fact that politicians have embraced the advantage the dysfunction can give them and stymied widespread change is not surprising
 
@MadScientist Because I think to move the voting day requires a constitutional reform, while moving a holiday doesn't
 
@TimStone love to hedge
 
Like if we did America: Rebooted we'd probably go "Ah no that's actually quite dumb" but since it's How It is enough people are convinced that it can't be that bad
@GodEmperorDune It's just stupid like that even means anything "omg y'all technically it's not a wave" "but the Democrats still control the House?" "yeah but it wasn't a wave" "??"
 
@MadScientist Also, a tuesday was chosen in the 1840s because that didn't interfere with the Christian Sabbath or Market day
 
9:58 PM
does the scale of victory matter in the house? What stuff is there that requires more than a 50% majority?
 
@TimStone Also the religious-like "The Forefathers Knew Best(tm)"
 
@TimStone i mean they'd spin it as "trump is still in office so not a wave"
 
@MadScientist No, lol, except I guess impeachment?
 
@MadScientist Scale of victory means defections of Joe Manchin-likes don't matter.
 
@TimStone isn't the 2/3 in the senate the block there?
 
9:59 PM
"""Moderates"""
 
@MadScientist more than 50% gives more flexibility for individual members to break off and vote their district wishes rather than party wishes in critical votes
 
@GodEmperorDune You said it better.
 
Also, amending the constitution requires more than 50% I think
 
I'm still speculating that the polls can't predict the effect of increased turnout properly and it'll be a landslide, but I expect to be disappointed there.
 
@MadScientist For the actual trial bit, but I was wrong anyway, bringing the Impeachment in the House only requires a simple majority of those present
 
10:01 PM
but that also requires 75% of state leadership
 
@BradC @GodEmperorDune @TimStone @MadScientist For the record, I'm hoping that we don't go forward with impeachment. Clinton seemingly got a huge boost from being impeached but not convicted. "Must not have been anything there" -American voters at that time, probably
 
@puzzlepiece87 from what i've read/heard, even though clinton didn't get convicted, the impeachment proceedings severely hampered what the white house did at the time
 
@puzzlepiece87 I don't think the Democrats will start impeachment unless they think they can actually get it through the senate.
 
We're nowhere near Nixonian levels of disappoval.
 
@puzzlepiece87 Which is insane
 
10:03 PM
because there was a specter of being watched all the time
 
@GodEmperorDune Ah, this would be good, but I'm worried about the opposite happening after.
 
@puzzlepiece87 eh i never thought they'd turn on steve king
 
the only thing that is keeping Trump high is the economy, without it he would be finished
 
@GodEmperorDune If that's the only effect, I'm sure we've already got it from the special counsel.
@MadScientist Good, I hope so as well.
@SaintWacko For anyone wondering, Nixon was at 34% when he resigned. Trump is at 42%. I've been rooting for 34% for years now, 36.5% is as close as we've gotten and that was a long time ago.
 
@puzzlepiece87 i mean it also requires the people in the white house to be ashamed of what they are doing and/or worried about what might happen... with this admin...
 
10:05 PM
@puzzlepiece87 Apparently, Mueller is now moving in on Trump's inner circle, and some people have predicted Ivanka, Jared and Don Jr indictments
 
Can he just pardon them?
 
@Nzall #resistance has been predicting this since the beginning
 
Because if he can, he will
 
I have been terribly wrong on this before, but I still think that Republicans will drop Trump the moment he stops being useful. There is a point where they'll go for self-preservation, it's far far from where I thought it would be, but I still think it exists
 
Like, Mueller is working hard to get Trump to testify under oath
 
10:07 PM
@GodEmperorDune @Nzall Exactly, I put 0 stock in these reports, there were a bunch before Labor Day too saying he was going to drop a bomb over that weekend. It's just clickbait. The best Mueller reporting has definitely been on stuff he's already done, not speculation on what he's going to do. Don't get your hopes up at all there.
 
@puzzlepiece87 I mean tbf Nixon also dropped like 30 points in the span of half a year due to Watergate Getting Serious, but I have no strong feelings on that anyway
 
@SaintWacko I'm pretty sure he can pardon whoever he wants, but I'm he starts casting pardons to protect himself then I'm confident he'll find himself going up against a court with obstruction of justice charges
 
@TimStone Very true! I'll get excited if I see Trump trending seriously downward as well.
 
Not funding stupid shit is arguably a lot more important at the moment
 
@TimStone Agreed.
 
10:08 PM
@Wipqozn Which court? The Supreme Court? Which is firmly in his pocket?
 
@puzzlepiece87 there is allegedly a DoJ guideline to avoid interfering with elections in the 60 days prior to it. So the idea is simply that if Mueller has something, he probably followed that and kept it back for now. But nobody has any idea if he is at a point to indict anyone else
 
@SaintWacko hopefully they're not as in his pocket as the party lines would make you think
 
@Wipqozn We can certainly hope
 
@SaintWacko Like I've got to believe that the GOP members of the supreme court aren't just purely corrupt, but just differ on certain laws should be viewed
Which could mean that yeah some of them are shit
 
@Wipqozn I'd like to believe that too, but I've lost all faith in the morals of anyone who still willingly associates with the GOP
 
10:12 PM
I mean you're not wrong there
The idea that you're supreme court judges are supposedly tied to parties was always bonkers to me anyways
 
@MadScientist its not the republicans that need to turn on trump for it to make a difference, it's fox news that needs to turn on trump
fox news turns the base and THEN you'll see republicans defect
 
@Wipqozn It's simply insane, and I don't think there are many other countries that have such a polarized supreme court
 
Look all I want is for Shep to drag Hannity into a cage match why is that so much to ask
 
@MadScientist Agreed, well said.
 
@MadScientist yeah this is the technicality that james comey was fired for violating
 
10:16 PM
Okay, going to bed now. Hopefully I can actually sleep this night and not wake up multiple times to check election results through the night
 
@GodEmperorDune Yeah very true
Trump could quite literally shoot someone and it wouldn't matter unless Fox News reports on it, because it's all his base watches and believes
@TimStone I misread that as shog9 at first
Somehow
well misread it was "Shog" but view that as shog9
and tbh I think Shog9 would do well in a cage match
 
The other interesting case would be if they lose the Senate. Not sure how much support Trump would have in that case from the Republicans
 
@Wipqozn yeah shog vs hannity would be great
@MadScientist they will work with him as long as their base likes him
 
if the base doesn't like him enough to win elections, this might get different
 
even in a "fuck it we might not have power again, do everything we can now to cement our legacy for a long time" way
 
10:19 PM
Regarding impeachment, I think the proper approach for the house isn't just whipping up some charges, it is aggressive public hearings on all manner of things.
(emoluments, taxes, his carelessness with top secret info and phones, abuse of power like asking the postmaster to charge Amazon more to punish the Washington Post, etc).
 
so don't talk shit to trump or he might not put up the heritage foundation judges
 
There are probably 25 different things I could name off the top of my head that should be impeachable
 
@BradC yeah like waxman during the bush admin
@BradC anything is impeachable if you have the votes
 
And just see what sticks, and how exactly they play out
So, investigate hard, and play the rest by ear
I do not think there is any point at which Trump himself has shame enough to resign. I do think there is a point at which Republicans will stop supporting him
But I don't know where exactly that is
 
@BradC he just needs to be convinced that its his idea
resigning to own the libs, etc
 
10:22 PM
@GodEmperorDune Perhaps. Some slick reverse psychology shit
 
@BradC when the GOP are turned into Nazgûl
 
user15026
@GodEmperorDune aw, great, now you know what's in my head, because we don't have the votes
 
at lot of people are bragging about "I voted" stickers. In case you feel excluded because you, like me, didn't get to vote, please feel free to print this out for yourself
 
inb4 a disappointing outcome
 
@BradC Yes exactly!
I'd love to see them embarrass the living crap out of him.
Tax returns and documents showing he's not actually a billionaire, etc.
 
10:28 PM
@puzzlepiece87 ah that would be refreshing
 
no one would actually care
 
@fredley If this is not enough for the Republicans to even lose the House, it's over. We'll have to find another planet to live on, as the US is a lost cause.
 
some people are beyond truth and falsehood
 
@MadScientist 538 gives it about a 14% chance I think
 
@badp the shenanigans he pulls with his taxes are likely illegal
 
10:29 PM
17% Dems take the Senate
 
@GodEmperorDune and?
 
@badp I'd enjoy it just because Trump would get super mad about it
It would be Real Mad Online that week
 
@badp it would cost him money, the main thing he cares about
 
@fredley yes, it's 14% for Republicans to win both
 
eh
he just needs to pardon his own son or something
 
10:30 PM
@MadScientist Trump to beat Hilary was 15% in 538's final model iirc
 
@fredley 30%
 
@fredley I think it was more like 25%-30%
 
@fredley I don't think anyone here is expecting to win the Senate.
 
I think it's a narrow hold
 
it's still russian roulette odds
 
10:31 PM
@fredley It was definitely 30%
 
It's going to be close
 
and I think there are pretty solid reasons to think that if the polls are wrong, this time it would favor democrats
 
except we don't get to choose whether to take part or not
 
@badp the main thing is that trump and his inner circle are quite dumb about these things
 
@puzzlepiece87 You know what, I think it might have been 30%
 
user15026
10:31 PM
@badp best sticker.
 
i don't expect any prosecutor to leave him a way to 4-D chess out of it
 
@Ash handcrafted with great care and attention
 
In fact I didn't know the figure, but if you want to get an answer on the internet, don't post a question...
 
@fredley And they froze it on election day at 66-33, I believe.
 
I think many polls miss younger potential voters, who answers a call on their cell phone anymore if you don't recognize the number?
Hoping the young voter turnout will be the way this blue wave materializes
 
10:32 PM
i mean there's always directly flouting the law and ignoring things, sadly it has worked for trump before and it might work again
 
A better world is possible but we will need to fight for it
 
if we get there though, we have much bigger problems
 
Which is why I'm mostly watching measures, initiatives, issues, propositions, amendments, etc
 
@puzzlepiece87 They froze the models this morning about 10am eastern
 
10:34 PM
I also find it weird that there are actual queues to vote in the US. I've never waited more than a few minutes, so I'm wondering if there are so much fewer voting locations in the US than here in Germany
 
Ohio issue 1, LA measure B, SF measure C, CA prop 10,
 
@BradC They did, but separately, they have live forecasts in the chat.
What the actual fuck
Look at this shit
> Putting a polling place inside a gated community, and requiring people to show ID to enter that community even though they don’t need it to vote, seems like a real problem.
 
Idaho prop 2
 
@Unionhawk hell yeah
 
user15026
This is where I remember I don't understand how y'all work, because I can't remember the difference between house and senate
 
10:35 PM
@puzzlepiece87 I think those will only change when actual results start to come in, so yeah, they're frozen at the moment.
 
Everything is fucked about these elections. What I just posted isn't even close to the worst thing that's been posted in this room today.
 
@Ash Senate: 2 from each state, total of 100.
House: like, a few hundred, based on population
 
@BradC No, they're already changing. They separate them for accuracy comparison purposes to compare to Cook, etc.
 
Montana has one, California has tons
 
438 representatives.
The number's fixed now.
 
10:36 PM
@Ash House is like the House of Commons, Senate is like the House of Lords, except not really at all like that
 
The frozen model is "Hey, this is how accurate our secret sauce is at election prediction"
 
House is pop-weighted, but Senate is not?
 
user15026
Right, but who does what?
 
So it's no longer strictly population but rather based on distribution of total population.
 
@fredley no, different subsets of the country are at play I think
 
10:36 PM
The live forecast is "This is us continuing to show you what's likely to happen.
 
user15026
(sorry, I am a Canadian potato when it comes to American stuff sometmes)
 
@badp but y
 
because freedom
 
@Yuuki The model is frozen, the live forecast is live.
And will eventually move to 100/0
 
@Ash Both need to pass bills together but otherwise, there are myriad of separate responsibilities.
 
10:37 PM
@fredley Correct. Bills must pass both houses to be sent to the President. Also, the Senate does different things like approves nominees like for the US supreme court
 
@Ash for the most part, both parts of congress do everything
however there are certain rules for different responsibilities
house has to initiate any bills around funding
 
senate has to ratify treaties
 
@puzzlepiece87 I like their sidebar, seems like it will be useful
 
10:38 PM
senate confirms appointments
 
user15026
So who do we want to win which?
 
apparently everything in the House is at play instead?
 
Well, want is pretty clear.
 
I'm going to steer away from the NY Times site, though, with the anxiety-inducing wiggling needle
 
@Ash dems have a decent chance of winning the house and a very unlikely chance to win in the senate
 
10:38 PM
It is incredibly unlikely for Democrats to take the Senate though.
 
1 min ago, by fredley
@badp but y
 
@fredley That's what I just posted but thanks for the news link.
 
Results: 538 - NYT - CNN - Fox - Optimus - Politico - Bloomberg
 
@puzzlepiece87 Nothing exists until it's been starred
 
@fredley because Democrats won big in 2006 and 2012, and these are the seats up
 
10:39 PM
@BradC Yup, it's like The Needle (tm). it will change to 100/0 as the results come in.
 
@badp house is fully elected every 2 years, 1/3rd of the senate goes up for re-election every 2 years (so senators have a 6 year term)
 
@fredley xD that's true
 
not sure if any other country has something like mid-term elections at all
 
whats all these mod abuse pins
 
@puzzlepiece87 Huh? I was just talking about how number of House representatives used to be based solely on raw population numbers whereas now it's fixed at 438 with each state getting a different slice of that pie based on proportion of total population.
 
10:40 PM
@MadScientist aiui, mid terms are similar to other countries' snap elections
 
@Yuuki Oops.
@GodEmperorDune @Ash To be fair the percentages are almost identical.
 
Are East Coast results/polls posted before West Coast has closed? That seems odd to me.
 
So it would perhaps be more accurate to say "Very unlikely to win Senate, very likely to win House."
 
@fredley yes to both
 
@fredley Yes.
 
10:42 PM
@fredley yeah that is really odd
 
Like "Oh shit we're lagging behind, vote harder"
 
@fredley Odd though to be fair the oddity is widespread. For example, state primaries are all on different dates too.
 
This seems like a terrible thing to do, with an easy solution (withold publication of anything until all polls close)
 
in Germany, there is at least an informal rule to not post any exit polls before the actual polls close.
 
@fredley this is a plot point in a chris rock movie about the first black president (it predates obama)
 
10:43 PM
@fredley because freedom
 
@MadScientist Regarding why elections seem messy in the US compared to Germany - because they're not administered centrally; each state makes its own rules, then each precinct actually carries it out
 
@MadScientist It's law here
 
@fredley I mean, we don't have a national popular vote for President or Congressional seats.
 
@fredley same, but rules are by state
 
So it's not like California can "vote harder" for President.
 
10:44 PM
and they can only report results for states where the polls have closed
 
First Amendment (freedom of speech) is a core value, so a law preventing results from being released until the entire country's polls are closed might not be even possible.
 
So maybe that's part of what makes it less odd.
 
absentee ballots can still trickle in but they usually don't change the outcome
 
@BradC the government's free speech is not protected IIRC
or something like that :P
 
it would probably be easier to close the polls at the same time
 
10:44 PM
@MadScientist I mean, it depends on what problem you're trying to solve.
 
@puzzlepiece87 given the memes about trump winning the popular vote if you exclude california tho...
 
@MadScientist that would suck for the east coast but sure
 
People negotiating their work schedule is way more important than "Uh oh vote harder (???)"
 
@GodEmperorDune they're informative re: the power of p-hacking
 
@MadScientist Not really, you've got like a 10+hour difference between east coast and Hawaii/Alaska
 
10:45 PM
I think it's easiest to close them at reasonable times in the given time zone.
@BradC Yupppp
 
simply make it fair by having polls open at the same time as well
so it sucks in Hawaii as well
 
the other thing that non-muricans might not be getting is that most often CNN and other news sites will play voter survey results, not actual election tallies
 
@BradC I didn't think it was that large
 
the election tallies are not official for several weeks
 
but then I live in a country with only one timezone
 
10:46 PM
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@badp "Simply do this quite inconvenient thing to solve a barely existent problem"
 
@MadScientist Maybe not, but the tip of Alaska's islands is like one more further West
 
@GodEmperorDune I have no idea if my numbers are off but did they just subtract the entire population of California from Hillary's portion of the popular vote, ignoring the fact that Trump still got votes in California?
 
@GodEmperorDune #MemeIndustrialComplex
 
@Yuuki they probably didn't do a lot of maths
 
10:47 PM
@Yuuki Problem was that California votes are tablulated over, like, a week or two
 
@Yuuki You're thinking way too hard about memes that were themselves made without thought. Don't give trolls that much credit. Or subtract Wisconsin or something instead.
 
(Because they allow mail-ins dated on election day)
12 minutes to first poll closings
 
black people now constitute a majority of voters in an Atlanta suburb, so rich local whites are looking to straight-up steal half the city (and over half its tax base) to form a new white enclave https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/11/eagles-landing-cityhood-vote-atlanta-stockbridge/571990/
 
@Yuuki no, hillary's lead in california surpassed the overall margin
 
They got angry because they didn't get a Cheesecake Factory 🤔
 
10:49 PM
> we’ve just seen Guam elect its first female governor
 
Georgia GOP candidate Brian Kemp was foiled by his own state’s voter ID law when he tried to vote https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/georgia-gop-candidate-brian-kemp-foiled-states-voter-id-law-tried-vote/
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lol, amazing (he was able to eventually vote though)
 
@TimStone rekt
@TimStone sad!
 
@TimStone Wow they're not even being subtle about why they want this to happen
 
Not even a little
 
"saying the quiet part loud"
 

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