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Sathya
Sathya
3:53 AM
@DanielBeck yes they are
 
Sathya
Sathya
4:24 AM
the flag option in Ask Ubuntu should be removed. It's f'ing pointless to flag if the most obvious things are going to be declined over and over again.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
lol
 
 
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Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
6:08 AM
ipt.ntnu.no/~knutb/linux486/linux486.html almost makes me wish i had one lying around...
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
@Sathya ouch :'(
 
Amith KK
Amith KK
6:54 AM
@Sathya WAT?
 
Bob
Bob
7:08 AM
Now that's an achievement :P
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
i linked that some time back ;p
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
7:24 AM
and yes, @Bob it is serious badassery ;p
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
does two letter @jou ping you? three letter might.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
no ;p
that does
but bob's name is 3 letters ;p
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
so, if you change your name to jeffatwoodspoof, you get all of jeff's pings.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
possible
hm
I seem to have everything but ssh working on my mini server
not sure where to start troubleshooting that convoluted mess
 
Bob
Bob
@jokerdino Wouldn't that depend on which one was last active?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
7:34 AM
well, we've never seen jeff on chat so...
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
@Bob I don't know. it is just a theory.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
... fixed
turns out openssh-server wasn't installed (!!!)
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
who would have expected that?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
oh, i didn't. Since i'm sure it WAS installed on the system i imaged this install from, since i was administering it headless and remotely for 3 years
 
Bob
Bob
7:51 AM
@JourneymanGeek Evidently the imaging program doesn't like SSH :P
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
which is wierd
i've checked everything other than the ipv6 client
(for reference, i used remastersys in backup mode, then restored the install as a liveusb with unetbootin, nice way to set up a custom ubuntu environment ;) )
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
8:32 AM
What is your opinion on this?
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
Has anyone tried installing OS X in Virtual Box ?
 
Bob
Bob
@HackToHell Isn't that against the EULA? :P
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
Who cares abt EULA ;p
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
8:45 AM
Be ready to be sued.
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
I do not give a s**t abt apple, now has anyone tried it ?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@HackToHell: tried it on vmware with boot132
worked ok, a little slow
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
@JourneymanGeek Slow meaning crawling or manageable ?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@HackToHell: almost unusable ;p
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
I am not trying then
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
8:54 AM
maybe might have worked better with some performance tuning and shit
hackintoshen are a time sink unless you use the same setup as someone else
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
oh, someone accepted my answer on SU.
1
A: Can't install any software anymore on ubuntu

jokerdinoSounds like your upgrading is stuck because of a stray package. Run this command in a terminal and see if that fixes your problem: rm -rfv /usr/lib/libgstbasecamerabinsrc-0.10.so.0.0.0 I am just a little puzzled because this bug was already fixed.

I have a feeling OP didn't know what he was doing.
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
wow, I have 1 and a half pages of no upvote answers and I have answered 100 questions ... hmmm how did i manage to answer that much :D :D
 
 
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Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
10:37 AM
@HackToHell Go through them and see how they could be improved (content, formatting, screenshots). There's an opportunity here ;)
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Well, there goes any hope on that bounty :D superuser.com/a/429326/36744
Interesting
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
@OliverSalzburg Nice idea, I am seeing through and editing my old posts ;)
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
don't edit too much, you might end up triggering the vandalism flag.
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
10:56 AM
lol
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@TomWijsman I did it for him :P superuser.com/questions/49883/…
@HackToHell I had more substantial edits in mind when I said that ;D But nevermind
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
@OliverSalzburg I was looking if anything could be made a lot better, but then I got lazy .....
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Heheh
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
Is everything getting pushed to the front page ?? Oh shit
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Great answers take great effort ;)
Well, and sometimes just crazy knowledge ;)
@HackToHell Yes and edit puts it up for everyone to see again
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
11:05 AM
Crazy knowledge reminds me of this TomWijsman's answer
@OliverSalzburg No more editing until downtime !!!
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@HackToHell Wtf... gotta read that
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
He was trolling me with that <_>
 
slhck
slhck
-4
Q: How to make Lamp Server online in Ubuntu

zedaiI have installed the Lamp Server on my Ubuntu Machine. Now i want to put my sample website on the Internet - ONLINE for the world. How to do that in Ubuntu. In windows it was easy because of GUI but in ubuntu there is no gui so i don't know how to do it in Ubuntu. Please help

ubuntu lamp
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Great answer!
 
slhck
slhck
Is there any Windows LAMP stack that automatically forwards ports? O_o
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
11:10 AM
Tom is very knowledgeable
 
slhck
slhck
Morning/Evening/Whatever btw :P
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@slhck Maybe there is an installer with upnp support?
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
@OliverSalzburg yeah, he debugs like mad
 
Len
Len
 
slhck
slhck
> To put the server online, click the icon and select "put server online." To test to see if everything is working properly, launch your browser and navigate to localhost
 
Len
Len
11:11 AM
uh, or not—rather, WAMPServer appears to be the thing with an option called "Put server online", but maybe they were just visiting http://localhost and thinking it was online.
 
slhck
slhck
That only talks about localhost @Len @OliverSalzburg
Hmm
 
Len
Len
I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know the difference, at any rate.
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Len Very likely, I would say
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
And he is a performance addict
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@HackToHell Already upvoted ;)
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
11:14 AM
:)
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Am I misunderstanding this question?
@WilliamHilsums answer confuses me :P
 
slhck
slhck
@OliverSalzburg Yeah, WOL doesn't use the IP layer
So you can't add a NAT rule for that
If that's what the Q is about
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@slhck Well at least it doesn't use IP addressing, because the target has no IP.
 
slhck
slhck
@OliverSalzburg Yeah, it's just a basic broadcast, as you said.
 
Paul
Paul
11:34 AM
You can fake WOL across NAT though
@OliverSalzburg I think the question is effectively a dupe of superuser.com/questions/266009/wol-wake-on-lan-over-internet
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
Weee Love anonymous, they hacked into Reliance's servers !!! whitec0de.com/reliance-internet-hacked-by-anonymous-india
 
Paul
Paul
The dyndns is misleading, the question is about WOL over nat, which can be faked with a static arp provided you have a router that supports it
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
hm. superuser.com/questions/427027/… i'm a bit confused why harrymc is complaining over a single downvote, after he totally missed the point of the question
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Paul Indeed. But both questions are weird.
Can't really explain it properly though :P
 
Paul
Paul
Yeah
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
11:47 AM
I would prefer 1 question that specifically asks why you can't WOL over internet and then close both questions as a dupe of that.
 
Paul
Paul
Yeah but the question I posted above explains exactly how you can WOL over the internet
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Well, seems like I didn't get it anyway: superuser.com/questions/429332/…
I don't have the energy to clear that up :P
"I'm not a network expert, I discovered this trick simply by trying different options to get my server turn on... so I'm sure there is logic behind,..."
Well, of course, that makes perfect sense
 
Paul
Paul
Great, now we have two questions explaining it
And a third asking how to do it. The one in the comments is more complete
So this latest one should be closed as a dupe of it
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
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A: wake on lan from internet - problems with router: arp

Sandro DzneladzeI managed to fix this problem by creating fictional IP address and leaving it in ARP table: arp add [fictional lan IP] [ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff] I issue command: /Users/usr/Downloads/wolcmd [mac] [public IP] 255.255.255.255 9 And server comes online and takes Correct ip/mac in arp table.

Yeah, I really don't understand that at all :D
 
Paul
Paul
Yeah, it doesn't quite add up. The arp table should have the mac address of the thing to be WOLed, not ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
 
Bob
Bob
11:53 AM
@HackToHell I was giving a shot at that, and I just realised the debugger I was using is an old version that's broken on 64-bit. Damn.
 
Daniel Beck
Daniel Beck
@slhck Could you help me with an experiment on SU?
 
Paul
Paul
@OliverSalzburg Sorry, I have read that one again, and it doesn't make sense
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Paul I think the biggest problem there is the user :P
Just trying stuff and drawing conclusions from the results... I don't know
 
Paul
Paul
So the sequence is this - you have a NAT on the router for UDP 7 going to a fictional IP address
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Oh well, I'm putting in a dupe vote
 
Paul
Paul
11:57 AM
So you would then send a WOL packet to your public IP, this would hit the NAT (port-forward) and try to go to the fictional IP address on the LAN. The router then arps for the LAN address, gets nothing in response, and it all goes wrong
So the trick is to add a static ARP entry in the router saying that that MAC address of the fictional IP address is the one of the device you are trying to WOL
Now when the packet comes in, the router does the NAT, but then doesn't bother doing the ARP request - it already has the MAC address in its arp table. So it just forwards the WOL packet to the MAC it has listed
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
You lost me at "send a WOL packet to your public IP"
How a WOL packet will ever reach the WAN interface of that router is beyond me
 
Paul
Paul
A WOL packet is just a UDP/7 packet with a "magic" payload consisting of 6 words of ff plus the destination MAC address repeated several times
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Humm ok
 
Paul
Paul
Normally it is broadcast because you want it to go everywhere on your LAN
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
I never really did WOL without broadcasting.
 
Paul
Paul
12:01 PM
But there is nothing stopping you unicasting it
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Good point
 
Paul
Paul
And targetting it specfically at the MAC you want to wake up
Yeah, it didn't occur to me until I saw that post on SU a while back. I thought it was pretty clever
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Indeed
Well, that surely puts another spin on it
However, I still think it's a weird solution to a simple issue.
 
Paul
Paul
Well what is the simple way of remote starting a server?
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Some routers even have WOL functionality directly built into their web interface.
I'd SSH into my router and simply wake the server
Without opening up my network any further
 
Paul
Paul
12:04 PM
That would be difficult to automate
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
And if that is too cumbersome, I'd automate it
"Convenience, the arch enemy of security" :P
 
Paul
Paul
Security isn't an absolute of course
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
I don't think it should be possible to power on a device in my home by simply sending a specifically constructed data package in the direction of my house :D
Scary stuff :D
Some authorization mechanism in place is a good start
 
Paul
Paul
No, certainly not in your home. But I would be happy for that to work in my home, as would the OP by the sound of it
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
I guess one could argue that that would just be a differently constructed data package... ;)
 
Paul
Paul
12:06 PM
The question is technical, not a request for a risk assessment :)
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Paul You're right
 
Paul
Paul
ssh is a fairly robust solution provided you trust the machine you are coming from
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Paul But sometimes a risk assessment is in order ;)
Not in this case though ;)
 
Paul
Paul
The wol solution provides a way for you to make something happen within your network, that only requires udp 7 packets to be allowed in - no ssh, no logins, no keylogging. If the attacker observed the behaviour, they could start the server, nothing else. An attacker will a keylogger could have access to the entire network if they compromised the source PC using ssh
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Paul Even though you have a point. I would never argue that point
And if someone would propose that, I'd want him off my team :P
 
Bob
Bob
12:14 PM
Ahh, Wake on LAN... I've taken to just leaving my computer on since I can't figure out how to enable it for this motherboard :P
Hm, what's this "Only allow a magic packet to wake the computer"? How the heck would WoL work with that off?
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Bob There are different packet types to my understanding.
 
Paul
Paul
@Bob presumably it would wake from any packet targetted at the MAC of the nic
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
@Sathya you use Tor for iPlayer right, can you post a copy of your torcc file
 
Bob
Bob
@Paul So, no specific format?
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
I just remember having a NIC that had a dropdown "Allow this device to be woken up by:" And one of the 3 values to select was "Magic Paket"
 
Paul
Paul
12:19 PM
I am guessting
Magic would be the standard WOL format, the other would be any type of packet aimed at the MAC, and the last would be a mystery
 
Bob
Bob
@OliverSalzburg There's a "Wake on pattern match" (in addition to "Wake on Magic Packet") in the advanced settings. Interesting.
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Bob That's the one I meant!
I thought it had a third option "Disabled" :)
 
Paul
Paul
Ok - the pattern match is interesting
 
Bob
Bob
There's also a "Shutdown Wake-On-Lan". This sounds... contradictory.
 
Paul
Paul
So you could define a different type of WOL packet? One that has a specific bit pattern?
 
Bob
Bob
12:21 PM
Or does it mean wake even if the computer is shut down?
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
The second link is better :P
 
Bob
Bob
@OliverSalzburg What, a Wake on WLAN now? ... ...
> devices that support Wake on Wireless LAN must be able to maintain a connection to the access point while the computer is in sleep mode. In addition to receiving packets from the wireless access point and filtering them, the wireless network adapter must be able to handle security key updates.
That doesn't sound very power efficient.
Well, I'm going to go root around in my BIOS settings. If I recall correctly, I had three or four different settings with the most useless descriptions that sound vaguely related to WoL.
Ok. "Wake Up Event By" "BIOS" or "OS"? This is very confusing.
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Bob I never understood it full, but the OS has control over WOL
Or at least it can
Like, you can set in Windows of Mouse/Keyboard can wake the PC from sleep.
That's a OS setting.
And you can configure in the OS if the NIC will respond to WOL.
I find that very confusing as well :P
 
Bob
Bob
@OliverSalzburg I actually had a lot of trouble with that. When I didn't know about it, my computer would keep waking when the desk was bumped (mouse moved). Dell tech support was useless.
@OliverSalzburg But should I set it as BIOS or OS? :P Presumably, the BIOS can WoL without OS itnervention.
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Bob Yeah, my cats woke my workstation several times during the night.
Took me a few days to catch on
@Bob No idea, I would pick OS, just because I know of these OS-level options to further control the behavior.
 
Bob
Bob
12:32 PM
hey, I have a serial port config page. I don't even have that kind of serial port.
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Humm
0
A: wake on lan from internet - problems with router: arp

Sandro DzneladzeI managed to fix this problem by creating fictional IP address and leaving it in ARP table: arp add [fictional lan IP] [ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff] I issue command: /Users/usr/Downloads/wolcmd [mac] [public IP] 255.255.255.255 9 And server comes online and takes Correct ip/mac in arp table.

Somehow I still can't wrap my head around that part
Wouldn't that be a major problem to put that in the ARP table of your router?
 
Paul
Paul
No, only if there was a packet destined for the fictional IP
He didn't need to do it that way - he is ensuring that the WOL packet is broadcast, but it could just as well be unicast
 
Bob
Bob
Ok, no WoL for me.
 
Paul
Paul
An ARP lookup is always in response to a packet arriving for an IP address that the router doesn't yet know the MAC for - though it could mess with any local IP broadcast packets I suppose - but then the router shouldn't be re-broadcasting them in any case
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
But he doesn't address the fictional LAN IP in the resulting command. Why does the router broadcast the packet then?
If he sends the WOL packet addressed at the public IP of the router, why would it forward it to the LAN?
I still don't see that :(
 
Paul
Paul
12:45 PM
The WOL packet is send to the public address of the router port 7/udp and the portforward rule forwards it to the fictional IP, then ARP takes over
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Paul He didn't mention port forwarding. Which is why I'm confused.
But, yeah, how else is it going to work...
 
Paul
Paul
Hah, yes! I didn't notice :)
I completely missed that it was his question I marked as a dupe, when he outlined how he is doing WOL over WAN already.
 
slhck
slhck
@DanielBeck Sure, if you still need help
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Paul BTW, seems like his problem from his last question was just that his WOL tool does not support name resolution :P
 
Paul
Paul
@OliverSalzburg aah, yeah that sounds pretty likely
 
Daniel Beck
Daniel Beck
12:57 PM
@slhck Sure. Please edit the post I just upvoted.
Just something inconsequential...
 
slhck
slhck
@DanielBeck The brew one?
 
Daniel Beck
Daniel Beck
@slhck Exactly.
 
slhck
slhck
@DanielBeck Done.
 
Daniel Beck
Daniel Beck
@slhck Thanks, I'm done.
 
slhck
slhck
@DanielBeck What was that about?
 
Bob
Bob
1:00 PM
@OliverSalzburg Seems it should have been BIOS, not OS, and with the wake on PCI/PCI-E event enabled. I just hope it's magic packet only.
 
Daniel Beck
Daniel Beck
@slhck I thought the AJAX reload of edited posts reset the displayed vote count earlier, but I couldn't reproduce it.
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
1:24 PM
Neat, found a glitch in Opera :P
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
1:46 PM
Does Win 7 have an Administrator user like Xp ? this is confusing me
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
What the...
How was that original post even constructed?
Double-newlines in the middle of a sentence?
@HackToHell To my understanding, yes. But the account is disabled by default.
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
@OliverSalzburg Oh Okay, it's no threat unless it is enabled
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
ok thanks
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Erm...
Oh well :P
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
1:58 PM
I accept the fact that reg programs do more harm than good..
lol another argument
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@HackToHell I'm not even gonna start about the content of the answer, I was just referring to the rollback ;)
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
lol
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
I agree with @TomWijsman though. I don't care about the results if they weren't the result of proper analysis procedure. Taking 1 measurement and claiming that as sound science is just not right.
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
I used to use registry cleaners, in the end, it messed up several stuff in my old pc(CCleaner+something else), so I do not go for reg cleaners, I uninstall using Revo Uninstaller and that is it.
It keeps my reg somewhat clean
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
The whole idea and principal of registry cleaning is so ludicrous
Or maybe I just don't have a good enough understanding of it. Like with WOL ;)
Like, the registry is structured in a tree. Which is a pretty efficient structure to search.
So the overall size isn't really that important, as long as the clutter isn't in the branch I am interested in.
And cleaning up anything will not do me any good unless it is done in the branch I care about.
So that renders a lot of cleanup already useless.
Now think about how much data you have to remove from the registry hive so that you will see any kind of improvement across the board.
Just throwing away 2% of all registry keys isn't gonna make a difference.
And what is 2%? That's like 1000s of keys.
 
Bob
Bob
2:12 PM
Of course, a bloated registry is painful to search through, when looking for specific data.
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
Unless someone has a 256 mb RAM :D
 
Bob
Bob
But cleaning doesn't make much different
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
And who would remove 1000s of keys from their registry automatically?
And then you get a 2% speed boost or something?
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
@Bob Who searches thru the reg daily ?
 
Bob
Bob
Just those rare occasions, hence why cleaning is useless
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
2:14 PM
Well, the real solution is to keep your registry clean
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
I remember when I installed this PC. I ran jv16 on the previous desktop.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
(though, i wish my favouite application virtualisation software wasn't a pain to find)
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
With the most aggressive registry cleaning options. Which were label not recommended and with a warning that it will break everything.
Which it did
But even that only removed a couple 100 keys
 
Bob
Bob
lol
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
How that is going to make any difference is beyond me.
And I was using that computer for 2 years straight
For actual work
It's not like there was nothing to clean :P
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
2:16 PM
ok, well. so I just triggered the vandalism flag on AU.
Who tempted me to get back to editing my older posts?
 
Bob
Bob
Perhaps keys with broken references Windows must confirm the brokenness of on certain actions? More likely than just the overall size.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
heya @Mokubai. LTNS
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
2:28 PM
Heya @JourneymanGeek I've been lurking mainly, biding my time you might say ;)
How's things with you?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
alright
building a new computer, as funds permit, and probably having my last really hard modules this term ;p
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
funds rarely allow you to build the computer you want in my experience...
So, easy sailing after the modules you're finishing then?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
lol
i hope
@Mokubai: well, actually, in my case, i'm waiting to be able to build the system i want, from the case down
i'll be getting the motherboard/processor/ram in august, then a video card the next month, then an ssd
so, no, this will be the computer i want ;p
 
Mokubai
Mokubai
Ah, getting bits as and when then. I'm still wanting an SSD, but alas I am told that food is more important...
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
lol
I'm still on my allowance from april, as far as non computer stuff goes
i'm a month behind cause the existing PC had two failures and i had to replace them
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
2:40 PM
@jokerdino I admit nothing! :D
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
haha, the message that showed up was quite scary.
 
Tom Wijsman
Tom Wijsman
@OliverSalzburg Yeah, it's kind of pathetic taking a single article you deceive yourself to believe in and not even answer the question.
Most of his paragraphs are quite heavily loaded with subjectivity, so he's not even trying to make a point about that.
He just doesn't want to give in that he's wrong about it...
 
Tom Wijsman
Tom Wijsman
3:14 PM
Oh, Process Monitor like stuff for Linux.
Strace
strace is a debugging utility for Linux and some other Unix-like systems to monitor the system calls used by a program and all the signals it receives, similar to "truss" utility in other Unix systems. This is made possible by a kernel feature known as ptrace. A similar utility is provided by Cygwin. Usage The most common usage is to start a program using strace, which prints a list of system calls made by the program. This is useful if the program continually crashes, or does not behave as expected; for example using strace may reveal that the program is attempting to access a file wh...
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@TomWijsman I totally understand that he "doesn't want to give in to populism". I respect that a lot. But I feel like this is more about common sense than populism. And just rolling back the edit like that... seems a bit childish.
 
Tom Wijsman
Tom Wijsman
o_O
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@TomWijsman What's the point of that?
 
Tom Wijsman
Tom Wijsman
Meh, I need something as light as that and as useful as rohitab.com/apimonitor
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
notepade.exe :D
 
Tom Wijsman
Tom Wijsman
3:17 PM
@OliverSalzburg Seeing the last API calls before a crash might be useful.
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@TomWijsman From the screenshot I first thought it was a procmon clone.
 
Tom Wijsman
Tom Wijsman
Usually you have only I/O related stuff otherwise, or a stack trace only revealing the last one.
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
That apimonitor looks pretty intense.
Indeed, indeed. This would be very useful
Although I really hate it when I have to go to that level.
Because that's very close to where I no longer have a clue :D
And once you start up the debugger, you just know you're gonna sink hours into this issue and that it might not be worth it
 
Tom Wijsman
Tom Wijsman
@OliverSalzburg: Seems to be flooding msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/… calls, guess the tool is kinda old to be used.
But is probably valuable on Linux.
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
3:44 PM
In VB, if I select Bridged Adapter, then how will I be able to connect to the host ?
Or more specifically wats the difference between bridged and NAT
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@HackToHell With bridged, the VM is inside your own (host) network. With NAT, the machine is on its own network. Between your host network and the client network, there is NAT being performed.
If you use bridged, you should be able to reach your host through it's normal LAN IP address.
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
But in NAT too, I can reach it by it's LAN ip
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Personally, I always use bridged unless I require something else. It's a very convenient way to work.
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
Ok,VB's interesting
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
4:01 PM
You shouldn't shorten VirtualBox to VB, it scares me ;D
 
Sathya
Sathya
@HackToHell no, I don't use it anymore.
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
Ooh There's Visual Basic , i will use Vbox
@Sathya What else do you use?
 
Sathya
Sathya
@HackToHell anything specific you're looking for?
I used Tor iPlayer for last year's F1, this year so far been watching at Sports Bars/ friend's house
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
Never Mind, will look at something else
 
Sathya
Sathya
@jokerdino yeah, I'll stick to edits. You'll can keep the crap as-it-is. @AmithKK related rant chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/118?m=4694410#4694410
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
4:13 PM
Heh, with some spam I wonder if the spambot just searches for any <form> element on any page and tries to submit something.
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
:'(
java.io.IOException: 409 error loading URL http://chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=lol&user=3&room=118
at org.jsoup.helper.HttpConnection$Response.execute(HttpConnection.java:414)
at org.jsoup.helper.HttpConnection$Response.execute(HttpConnection.java:391)
at org.jsoup.helper.HttpConnection.execute(HttpConnection.java:157)
at org.jsoup.helper.HttpConnection.get(HttpConnection.java:146)
at chat.Main.main(Main.java:39)
Why am i getting an 409 ??
It seems to be server related
 
Sathya
Sathya
you have curl?
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
I am in Windows, but it might be there in gow(the linux emu like cygwin)
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
I've never gotten a 409
 
Sathya
Sathya
try curling the URL
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
4:16 PM
 
Sathya
Sathya
wait, @OliverSalzburg beat me to it ;p
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
curl works fine, it shows me the HTML stuff properly
 
Sathya
Sathya
why java?
prolly not sending the request right
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
I like Java
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Maybe you're not GETting
I'm only guessing wildly :P
 
Sathya
Sathya
4:19 PM
:P
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
Request is proper
Maybe it's a problem with encoding ...
Chrome accepts gzip,deflate,sdch
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Compare the request you make with a working request in Wireshark
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
And the server responds with Gzip
@OliverSalzburg Okay, w8 a minute
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
I'm gonna go read for a bit. I'll be back later :)
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
okay
It must be the encoding, will redo it later, good night
 
Sathya
Sathya
4:29 PM
@HackToHell compare an incognito request to the java one to get a more accurate comparison
 
adempewolff
adempewolff
Hello all, I have a question that I believe might be a better fit for superuser than at it's current home. Would anyone mind taking a look at it and telling me if they think I should request to have it migrated? (here is the question: serverfault.com/q/393124/122556) I don't think I am actually violating their FAQ, but it's their site so if they feel that way I won't argue.
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
@Sathya The first request seems to get thru, looks like a DDos protection (maybe ??) will see it tomorrow, good night.
 
Sathya
Sathya
@adempewolff that looks fine for Super User
@adempewolff though I have to agree, your question would be off-topic for Server Fault because they deal with sysadmin/network admin from an admin in an corporate network POV
@HackToHell ok, good night
 
adempewolff
adempewolff
@Sathya okay. Stated that way, I would agree with you, I am not using a corporate network. Although I do still think that the commenter was out of line, stating that I was not an IT professional simply because I did not attach my CV to the question.
@Sathya thanks for looking at it. should I create an SU account and repost it, ask the SF moderators to migrate it, or what?
 
Sathya
Sathya
@adempewolff well poor choice of words, IMO. I doubt he meant malice - anyhow, you can flag for migration to SU. Logging in with your Server Fault credentials will autmatically create an account & you'll have control over the question
 
 
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Tom Wijsman
Tom Wijsman
7:32 PM
@OliverSalzburg: Check the comment thread again.
 
Tom Wijsman
Tom Wijsman
8:11 PM
Seems he went to remove his comments. Think I might do as well and repost a summary...
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
8:42 PM
@TomWijsman Bravo
I know it sucks to be proven wrong. Especially when it happens on the internet. But even I'm not that stubborn.
...I hope :P
 
Tom Wijsman
Tom Wijsman
Well, if he does get what he want, I can still post a massive debunking answer that makes his one look stupid. But seriously, it's just a waste of time defending either side...
Cleaners are often the type of tools that make you think you're doing something that is effective, but in the end you barely gain anything.
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You can show that by doing a cross comparison between what a registry cleaner removes and how that actually differs in boot logs / execution logs of stuff that accesses those removed entries.
The size of the registry doesn't change much when cleaning. And the only key that would differ on boot is the key that makes it auto run on start.
 
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