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1:20 AM
Sadly, Ella died in the exact date of my birthday. :(
 
 
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2:35 AM
@AndrewStacey I don't know if it is related but the following hangs while loading l3luatex.sty
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{tikz}
\usetikzlibrary{hobby}

\begin{document}
\draw (0,0) .. (1,.5) .. (2,0) .. (3,.5) .. (4,0);
\end{document}
In fact I couldn't make any of the examples work probably due to some version mismatch on my side. I'm on MikTeX and updated to the last versions available. But maybe I'm missing something on the L3 front.
 
3:06 AM
Nevermind the missing tikzpicture environment it doesn't help however adding explicit xparse package dependence makes the code compile correctly.
I think either requiring it or adding this to the manual would help.
 
 
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5:37 AM
@GonzaloMedina: You should undelete your answer as that does solve the problem for 56576
 
 
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9:17 AM
Well Bayern lost the game yesterday, but at least I got the confirmation this morning that my journal paper got accepted. Very good timing for my PhD viva next Friday.
 
9:33 AM
@PauloCereda "Unfortunately, this video is not available in Germany because it may contain music for which GEMA has not granted the respective music rights." Arg!
 
@MartinScharrer The radio was broadcasting the "Siegrfried Idyll" when I saw the link: no doubt between Ella and Wagner.
 
9:58 AM
Anybody with TeX Live on Windoze that wants to try and help?
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A: Tengwar script in TeX Live 2011

egregThe tengwarscript package provides only the metric files for the fonts, but not the fonts themselves which must be downloaded from the sites shown in the documentation. You can, for instance, download the "Annatar" fonts from http://home.student.uu.se/j/jowi4905/fonts/annatar.html and unpack the...

 
10:19 AM
@David looks like I've stolen a checkmark from you ;-)
 
10:30 AM
Yesterday we had a mass in the afternoon in a farm which has a chapel for Saint Rita. I saw a cute goose and tried to play with it, but the goose chased me. :P
@MartinScharrer Congrats for the accepted paper, Martin! :)
 
@PauloCereda Thanks
I now created a Mercurial repository on Bitbucket.org for all the TeX related logos and graphics I'm working on: bitbucket.org/martin_scharrer/tex-logo
Includes the TeX Live logo and the ad images used for TeX.SE
 
10:45 AM
@MartinScharrer Cool! :)
Aren't we official now? :)
 
@FrankMittelbach disgraceful; shouldn't be allowed:-)
 
@PauloCereda The blog is not "graduated" yet:
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A: How are blogs created?

Rebecca ChernoffWe are happy to provide resources for communities that want to supplement their site with a blog and show active interest from community members that are willing to contribute. I disagree with your suggestion that there be a separate place that communities discuss this. These discussions need t...

 
@StefanKottwitz Oops my bad. :) I thought once we left beta, we would be graduated.
 
It's not yet blog.tex.stackexchange.com, though there's a redirection. blogoverflow is just the beta blog network.
 
@PauloCereda: What do you think about this TeX Live favicon:
I know, it's a little hard to read, but 16x16px are not much.
 
10:57 AM
@MartinScharrer I think it's very nice. :) We can't get any better with 16x16. :(
 
@MartinScharrer Perhaps a bit sharper, crisp? It looks softened.
 
@StefanKottwitz It's quite complicated with 16px. :) Maybe if sharpened, the pixels around the text will explode and make it even more difficult to read. :)
 
11:15 AM
Mass time. :)
 
@PauloCereda, @StefanKottwitz:
 
11:38 AM
@FrankMittelbach There are times when one must unaccept. :-)
 
@PauloCereda, @StefanKottwitz:
Or should all four letters be on one line?
 
12:02 PM
@MartinScharrer One line ;-)
Is my opinion
 
@MarcoDaniel On one line it's very hard to read.
@MarcoDaniel: ^
 
@MartinScharrer Indeed.
Playing with kerning ;-)
\documentclass{standalone}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\renewcommand*\sfdefault{uop}
\renewcommand*\familydefault{\sfdefault}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\newcommand*\CTAN{C\kern -.217em\lower .5ex\hbox {T}\kern -.215em A\kern -.235em\lower.5ex\hbox {N} }
\begin{document}
\scalebox{10}{\bfseries\CTAN}%
\end{document}
 
@MarcoDaniel Maybe raising the N would be better? That why it looks more like LaTeX.
 
@MartinScharrer Why not ;-)
@MartinScharrer Next suggestion ;-) -- it's funny to play with kerning ;-)
\documentclass{standalone}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\renewcommand*\sfdefault{uop}
\renewcommand*\familydefault{\sfdefault}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\newcommand*\CTAN{C\kern -.217em\lower .35ex\hbox {T}\kern -.299em \lower.7ex\hbox {A}\kern -.235em\lower-.0ex\hbox {N} }
\begin{document}
\scalebox{10}{\bfseries\CTAN}%
\end{document}
 
12:19 PM
I suggest to close this one as too localized:
0
Q: bibtex and no title sort

João FernandesI'm preparing a paper using bibtex for the citations. The initial commands for my bib file are: \Sort{ Mode{on} Collation{mixed} SortTypeOrder{pattern,key,name} NameOrder{ascending} Key{{author,editor},\year{year,note}} KeyOrder{descending,nulls first} Pattern{author+editor: "doro...

 
@PauloCereda I meant manually sharping, which should not be too hard with 16x16 pt, if zoomed - replacing some light blue pixels either by white or blue.
 
@StefanKottwitz Good idea!
 
Today I heard a case of keming: the TV announcer was talking about the local pollings and said that people of "Cornacchio" is voting. The town's name is "Comacchio". It's a very nice place, by the way, with a very peculiar "triple bridge".
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12:47 PM
Ha, I'm the only sportsman on meta ;-)
 
@MartinScharrer I've got a badge there on meta, which even nobody on both superuser and serverfault meta has :-D
 
@StefanKottwitz Booster or some other announcement related one?
@PauloCereda, @egreg: I had the idea to make a adjustenv or accumenv environment which allows to accumulated environments using a key=value interface: \begin{adjustenv}{enva,envb=arg,envc=[t]{5cm}} ... would then be equivalent to \begin{envc}[t]{5cm}\begin{envb}{arg}\begin{enva} ..
That's similar to adjustbox but without boxing, so more efficient and does not force restricted horizontal mode.
 
@MartinScharrer Booster is correct. I guess it's hard to get 300 different people (IPs) to visit a meta topic.
 
@StefanKottwitz Well, not on Meta.SX itself ;-) But on a normal meta.
 
@MartinScharrer Got it for the topic of a cooperation of TeX.SX and TeXample.net, which I announced there.
 
12:58 PM
@MartinScharrer It would be good, I believe. Maybe adding possible code between them. What about the order? I'd favor "first in first out".
 
@egreg I was thinking about both myself.
@egreg: Should I use the \begin{xxx} form or \xxx?
Also, I still look for a good name.
 
@StefanKottwitz Ah great idea!
@egreg How nice! :)
1
Q: Make a Vigenere rectangular in latex

C.D.I want to make a rectungular 26x26 where in the first row exist the letters A,B,...,Z the second row B,C,...,Z,A, the third C,D,...,Z,A,B etc. One way (but not efficient) is the following \begin{tikzpicture} \draw[step=.5cm,gray,thick] (-6,-6) grid (6,6); \draw (-5.75,5.75) node{A} (-5.25,5....

So we meet again, Vigenère cipher.
I have an old dobro guitar from the northeast region and I'm trying to restore it. :)
 
1:20 PM
@MartinScharrer There's no problem in using \xxx and \endxxx, except for \begin{lrbox}, which has been discussed on the site. At least if you don't want to cook a special version of it that doesn't the \endgroup trick at the beginning.
 
@egreg Might there be any issues with ignoring spaces after the end of the environment.
 
We have feijoada today! :)
 
Maybe I should add \begingroup\xxx just to be save? Same environments might assume that there are used in a group by themselves.
@PauloCereda Gesundheit!
;-)
 
@MartinScharrer :P
 
@MartinScharrer That's indeed a problem when using the "command form".
 
2:20 PM
@PauloCereda Yes, the good old Vigenère cipher.
 
@MartinScharrer Until textual analysis was discovered it was quite a good method.
 
@egreg I know, I read a few books about encryption once.
 
@egreg There's a book by Simon Sing called "The Code Book". It's very interesting. :)
 
@PauloCereda Very good! In Italian it's called "Codici e segreti".
 
@egreg Ah cool! In Portuguese is "O livro dos códigos". I was amazed by the fact that LaTeX has support for Linear B, one of the languages explained in the book. :)
 
2:36 PM
@PauloCereda I've used the hieroglf package for typesetting lecture notes where I explained number systems.
 
@egreg :)
I'm trying to resist posting an answer in the certification question. :P
 
@PauloCereda "Do you know what \frontmatter and \mainmatter do in the book class?" If the candidate for certification answers correctly, the next question is "Would you use fncychap?" If the answer is no, the certification is granted.
 
@egreg LOL good idea. :)
I'd start my answer with this comic strip:
user image
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:D
 
3:08 PM
@PauloCereda: I would just use this page as LaTeX certificate ;-)
 
@MartinScharrer LOL that's not fair, you have lotsa packages! :P
 
@PauloCereda Don't forget my CTANHG server ;-)
 
@MartinScharrer And don't forget your TeX.sx card! :D
 
@PauloCereda Yes, the "#1 on TeX.SX" was nice, for a while I mean.
Well, "#2 on TeX.SX" is not bad either.
 
@MartinScharrer :)
And the visiting card too!
 
3:22 PM
@PauloCereda You mean the business cards?
 
@MartinScharrer Ah yes, those. :)
 
3:32 PM
@PauloCereda Yummy!
 
@GonzaloMedina Yummy indeed! :)
 
3:46 PM
@egreg: I added a possibility to add code now and changed the order. A starred version uses the opposite order.
Now about 50% of my code is \expandafter ;-)
 
@MartinScharrer With expl3 perhaps they would be less.
 
@egreg I didn't mean to sound rude with my comment.
 
@GonzaloMedina Which one?
 
4:02 PM
@egreg the rude one ;-)
 
@egreg The one in Peter Grill's question.
@StefanKottwitz hehe!
I still don't know if I should add to my answer to this question tex.stackexchange.com/q/56639/3954 what I really do: "Ask @Paulo Cereda" ;-)
 
@GonzaloMedina awww <3
Colours are really tricky to pick. :)
 
Is there a "proper" way to do examples in l3doc?
 
@GonzaloMedina Oh, not at all. I really had no time for answering: I switched on the computer just to know where the earthquake had been and happened to see Peter's question.
 
4:18 PM
@GonzaloMedina I think the color question is off-topic
other than the part you have answered with definecolor part
Also is this one off-topic?
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Q: Tikz Pattern lines are not exactly straight

StephanI do have a short problem with Tikz \usepackage{pgf,tikz} \usetikzlibrary{patterns} ... \begin{tikzpicture} \fill[pattern=north east lines] (0,0) -- (0,1) -- (1,1) -- (1,0) -- cycle; \end{tikzpicture} I simply want to fill differently shaped areas with north east lines. Which is done as is it'...

 
@percusse as you say, the part asking for a way to define colors using hexadecimal notation is on-topic; the other part I think is borderline...
@egreg I've read that some historical places were seriously damaged and some people died... terrible! I live in a high-activity seismic zone, so I understand what the affected people must be feeling.
 
@percusse I'm not sure. Is PDF viewing our concern? I think, LaTeX is used a lot to produce PC-only documents...
 
4:36 PM
@tohecz I often decide on the answer to Is there anything we can do?
 
@percusse I see your point. I don't know if there's a good help...
 
@GonzaloMedina Not very extensive damages, actually. But a big loss for those small towns. Six people died. Yesterday we had also a bomb in Brindisi that killed a 16 year old girl and wounded six. :-((( It was placed, for no apparent reason, in front of a high school.
Of course there's never a reason for placing a bomb.
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@egreg Insane, brutal acts... :-(
 
5:17 PM
Is there a package that prints Greek Letters?
 
@egreg Sorry to hear about this! I'm sometimes in Italy and work together with Italian IT colleagues.
 
@egreg I read about this in the newspaper. I was really dumbfounded
 
@MarcoDaniel XeLaTeX + appropriate font?
 
@AlanMunn I answered with the following code ;-)
\newcommand\greekletter[1]{%
\ifcase #1 \relax
\or
\alpha\or
\beta\or
\gamma\or
\delta\or
\epsilon\or
\zeta\or
\eta\or
\theta\or
\iota\or
\kappa\or
\lambda\or
\mu\or
\nu\or
\xi\or
\mathrm{o}\or
\pi\or
\rho\or
\sigma\or
\tau\or
\upsilon\or
\phi\or
\chi\or
\psi\or
\omega
\else A
\fi
}
 
5:34 PM
@MarcoDaniel \mathrm{o} opens an interesting question: Should \omicron be provided by the packages for compatibility?
 
@tohecz In my opinion yes ;-) Every letter is supported but omicron is missing.
 
@MarcoDaniel It looks like you can't just cycle through the Greek alphabet in the same way anyway (i.e. \foreach \x [count=\xi] in {α,...,ζ} fails.)
 
@AlanMunn ;-) Nice try.
 
5:58 PM
Here's a version that works:

% !TEX TS-program = XeLaTeX

\documentclass[border=10]{standalone}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont{Linux Libertine O}
\usepackage{tikz}
\begin{document}
\begin{tikzpicture}[scale=0.6,transform shape]
\foreach \x [count=\xi] in {945,...,969}
{%
\foreach \y [count=\yi] in {\x,...,969}
{
\node [draw, top color=white, bottom color=blue!50, minimum size=0.666cm]
at (\xi,-\yi) {$\mathstrut$\char\y};
\xdef\Ax{\yi}
}
\pgfmathsetmacro\Ax{\Ax+1}
\foreach \y [count=\yi from \Ax ] in {945,...,\x}
 
6:08 PM
@egreg: Any idea how to name my new environment? accuenv, multienv, ...?
 
@AlanMunn Great idea to use \char ;-)
 
@MartinScharrer I like multienv. :)
 
6:32 PM
@percusse I've added the xparse dependency and added the tikzpictures to the examples. Thanks for the feedback.
 
7:29 PM
Why is there no \provideenvironment?
 
@MartinScharrer Sounds like a good question for the main site. You could also add a tag.
 
@tohecz: I still don't get it, but perhaps when there is an answer it will make more sense to me... [Re: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/56664/…
 
@lockstep Next question: Why is there no \forcecommand and \forceenvironment which defines it in any case?
 
@MartinScharrer I'd have thought \forcecommand is called \long\def.
 
@lockstep \def doesn't allow for optional arguments or the [<number of args>] syntax.
You can use \let\mymacro\relax\newcommand\mymacro...
 
7:43 PM
@MartinScharrer The \provideenvironment question should be interesting because \providecommand does exist. Perhaps Frank Mittelbach will give an instructive answer.
 
@AndrewStacey My pleasure. I'll let you know if something else pops up but I think I've covered most of the pathological cases that I can think of and no glitches yet.
 
@lockstep :
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Q: Does \newenvironment have a \provideenvironment cousin, as \newcommand has \providecommand?

brynTo avoid the problem of having to decide whether to use \newcommand or \renewcommand, LaTeX has the option of \providecommand. Is there something corresponding to this for environments? I'd like to be able to type \provideenvironment (or similar) rather than first using \newenvironment and then ...

 
@MartinScharrer Close indeed. But there's still the question why \provideenvironment doesn't exist.
 
@lockstep :
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Q: Why is there no \provideenvironment?

Martin ScharrerLaTeX2e provides a \providecommand but there is no \provideenvironment which defines an environment only if it (or a macro with the same name) was not defined before. Is there a specific reason why it is missing?

 
@lockstep I wonder the same for a possible \expanded command.
 
7:52 PM
@MartinScharrer Upvoted. BTW, questions seem to fare well at TeX.sx:
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Q: Why does the LaTeX kernel define \usepackage *and* \RequirePackage?

lockstepThe ubiquitous \usepackage command is used to load packages in the preamble of a document; the command syntax is \usepackage[<package-option-list>]{<package-list>}[<version>] Actually, \usepackage is derived from the \RequirePackage command which, according to source2e, secti...

 
@lockstep that was the tag I was looking for!
I replaced with it
 
@MartinScharrer Thanks a lot for the StackApps! They work great.
 
@MartinScharrer I'll retag and remove . We don't want to give new users wrong ideas about what constitutes a good tag.
 
@lockstep Well, it was your idea! ;-)
@percusse You are very welcome!
 
@MartinScharrer I should have added a smiley. :-)
 
7:57 PM
@lockstep I wasn't sure about it. ;-)
 
LaTeX3 folk: Is there any user documentation for l3keys?
 
@PeterGrill I don't think the question can be 100% answered because there is no functionality like that. If you could store tikzpicture like you can store nodes, it might be easier to re-use it, re-use it modified some way, make it a part of another tikzpicture etc. But this is a discussion about TikZ future development I think
 
@tohecz There is also the \pgfuseimage command but you should have compiled the original picture or somehow externalised it beforehand. I think it needs a partial externalization feature.
 
@percusse I'm not personally interested in that (I'm even not and extensive TikZ user), it was just my attempt to interpret the question...
 
8:09 PM
@tohecz Ah, excuse my eagerness :)
 
@percusse no wories ^^
 
@PauloCereda Nice! But runs quit slowly.
 
@MartinScharrer True. :(
 
@MartinScharrer Cool! :) The CTAN author page will have to provide a pagination feature because of you. :)
 
@tohecz One of my favourite scientific quotes: "These days, anyone saying something can't be done is liable to be interrupted by some fool doing it." Don't remember who said it (I want to say Rutherford but I'm not sure - someone of that standing and generation, certainly). The bit I like best is that it is the person doing the thing that is considered the fool, not the person saying it can't be done.
@percusse How does the documentation look now? If that were the documentation on CTAN, what would you think?
 
@AndrewStacey I think the explanations are great! However the commands are usually off the page margin. So I needed to go to the code to read it fully. Is there any chance to make the command fonts smaller?
 
@percusse Or I could just put in hard line wrapping.
 
@AndrewStacey Indeed. I am more inclined to to the option of having a narrower font. Altermundus has a nice way of writing it up e.g. texdoc.net/texmf-dist/doc/latex/tkz-euclide/…
Let me know if you want to go for a more general documentation. I don't how I can help but anyway if you have something in mind and the task is too big, I might do some of the bulk work.
 
8:34 PM
Yay texdoc.net! dances
 
@PauloCereda It's been a while since I've used CTAN for documentation :)
 
@percusse awwww <3
 
Anybody cares to vote on this?
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Q: How can I get an eps file from pgfplots?

sayrosI read a lot of way such as ‎\usetikzlibrary{external}‎ ‎\tikzexternalize‎ ‎\tikzset{external/system call={latex \tikzexternalcheckshellescape‎ -‎halt-on-error‎ -‎interaction=batchmode‎ -‎jobname‎ ‎"\image"‎ "‎\texsource";‎ ‎dvips‎ -‎o‎ "‎\image".eps‎ "‎\image".dvi}}‎ but I don't know why I ...

 
@percusse We are out of votes. :P
 
@percusse In these cases, there's an obvious line break: after the \draw[postaction= ...]. That seems to bring the examples within the text width. (I still don't really know how to do examples in documentation).
 
8:38 PM
@PauloCereda With Martin's JS code from StackApps TeXDoc is a click away. :)
 
@percusse If you have some illuminating examples, please send them to me (either here or by email - I'm pretty easy to find).
It'd be quite nice to get this on CTAN. I feel it's pretty much at a distributable stage.
 
Yay, I broke the 10k voting barrier! :D
 
@AndrewStacey I'm shutting up...
 
@tohecz Nooooo!!!!!
 
@AlanMunn depends what you understand about documentation. It is documented as part of interface3.pdf and normally pdflatex l3keys.dtx should get you standalone documentation (but only if you scroll past the errors I just noticed @Joseph :-)
 
8:39 PM
@AndrewStacey Maybe you can discuss for a possible shipment with TikZ directly. @cjorssen might be interested in it.
 
@tohecz I meant the implication, by the way. This is definitely a case where I'd strongly recommend just using a \newcommand and going the simpler route.
So I'm the fool for providing a way to do something that I don't think should be done.
@percusse I think that the LaTeX3 nature might disbar it. I picked up somewhere that they like to keep the TikZ code as pure TeX as possible.
 
@FrankMittelbach Thanks. It would be nice if texdoc pointed to the interface3.pdf document for any of its included packages.
 
@AlanMunn l3keys is not a package. The package is expl3
 
@AndrewStacey Ah true. I remember that too. I'll try to speed up with the pgfmath implementation. Maybe that would be eligible. Now that I have your neat documentation it's surely gonna be faster.
 
Uh-oh! We have a downvote here:
-1
Q: unknown error in table

Abhimanyu AroraIn the code for a table below, there is an error indicated by the red marker in the line starting with "Not protest" after compilation, although the output seems pretty much okay. Can you pinpoint the mistake please? \documentclass{article} %\usepackage{showframe}% http://ctan.org/pkg/showframe ...

 
8:44 PM
@AndrewStacey I see this point and agree. That's why I think that the right way is to "ask package maintainer if he would consider embedding this feature into the package"
 
@AlanMunn I never looked at what texdoc does behind the scene. How would this be controlled?
 
@FrankMittelbach I'm not sure, but I guess there's a way to create aliases for common searches. :)
 
@PauloCereda The ballast tanks are empty captain!
 
@percusse I couldn't have done it if I hadn't written the maths part as well. There were several times that I got myself too deep in the coding that I couldn't see exactly what it was I was doing! As I was only dipping in and out of Hobby's paper, I wasn't really following the maths. So I had to get that straight before I could go on.
 
@PauloCereda probably ... if somebody wants to main that for us, be my guest. Right now we don't get a lot of stuff not done ... so no need to add to this :-(
 
8:46 PM
@tohecz Reasonable idea.
 
@percusse LOL we need another strategy. :P
@percusse: I'm gonna open a question on Meta.SO about giving us some emergency votes. :)
 
@FrankMittelbach Well somehow the interface3.pdf document is hidden from all :) It doesn't seem to be referenced in expl3.pdf, and other than texdoc it's not clear how to access it if you don't know of its existence. Having each of the subparts of expl3 that are documented there accessible via `texdoc1 would be a great help.
 
@PauloCereda Not warranted, IMHO. The statement could be interpreted as "Fix this for me" but I think it more likely someone not used to English trying to be polite but not quite getting it right so I think the correct reading should be "Could anyone help me find the mistake, please?".
(So I've voted up the question, thereby cancelling the downvote)
 
@FrankMittelbach Also, the fact that l3keys.sty exists and line 181 of expl3.sty says \RequirePackage{l3keys} says otherwise. ;) But I know what you mean.
 
@AndrewStacey I think I got one interesting case....
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{tikz}
\usetikzlibrary{hobby}

\begin{document}
\begin{tikzpicture}
	\draw (0,0) .. (1,.5) .. (0,0) .. (3,.5) .. (4,0);
\end{tikzpicture}
\end{document}
Repeated one point. Feature or a bug?
 
8:53 PM
@AndrewStacey Agreed. I thought of not mentioning the downvote at first and leave the question score as it was, but it really gives me shivers to see a negative number floating around the page, specially on TeX. The downvote was probably justified, but I wouldn't classify that question as bad enough to be < 0. :)
@AndrewStacey: BTW thanks for the upvote. :)
 
@PauloCereda Actually, I was very tempted to downvote the first answer
 
@tohecz :P
 
@AlanMunn well now we can get philosphical :-) Given that expl3 is meant to run on top of 2e we do in fact misuse some interfaces of 2e here, but then the LaTeX2e sources are also all in individual files for ease of maintenance and they too aren't "packages" either.
 
@PauloCereda Decided to really downvote it, it is not a good answer at all, and not a good way to answer at all.
 
@FrankMittelbach Yes, I understand. Here's what I did: "I wonder how to implement a key value interface in LaTeX3" -> texdoc expl3, found reference (but no documentation) to l3keys so then did texdoc l3keys and got nothing. Minimally it would be helpful to have some reference to the interface3.pdf document within the expl3 document. But also some aliases for texdoc would also help.
 
9:00 PM
@AlanMunn but you are right, perhaps there is not documentation approach improvement in order, question is what exactly. Most of the dtx files for expl3 do not make sense standalone, so this may not be the right approach. but interface3 or sourc3 isn't in TeXdoc, so perhaps something better needed (something to log @Joseph)
 
@percusse What should I see? I get the following, which seems reasonable to me.
 
@AlanMunn yes, I agree
 
@AndrewStacey I see that too but doesn't look like the curvature is optimized. Considering that the alpha beta and curl is set to 1 by default I would expect a softer turn in the bottom part. Maybe it's just not the way it works.
I should compare it with the metapost version though.
 
@FrankMittelbach @JosephWright If the interface3 document is the best thing there is for the subparts, it would be sufficient just provide the TeXLive people a bunch of aliases for the master texdoc.cnf.
 
9:04 PM
@AlanMunn just used TeXdocGUI to search for expl3 and that returned expl3.pdf l3calc.pdf (urg) source3.pdf and README
 
Actually the non-GUI version seems to do better. `texdoc -s expl3` yields:

1 /usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/doc/latex/l3kernel/expl3.pdf
= The LaTeX3 Programming Language
2 /usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/doc/latex/l3kernel/interface3.pdf
= LaTeX3 interfaces
3 /usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/doc/latex/l3kernel/l3styleguide.pdf
= LaTeX3 style guide
4 /usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/doc/latex/l3kernel/l3syntax-changes.pdf
= Syntax changes
5 /usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/doc/latex/l3kernel/source3.pdf
 
@StefanKottwitz: speaking of texdoc, did you advertise your epic website in the comp.text.tex list? :)
I think it's worthy.
 
@percusse Here's what I get from metapost:
 
@AndrewStacey Confirmed.
 
So there is a difference there. The metapost one goes down first and then round whereas mine goes up and round.
 
9:09 PM
@AndrewStacey I think there is a direction selection somewhere that is not covered in the paper but in the implementation.
 
That difference makes me think it might be about positive/negative angles and about wrapping to the interval -&pi;,&pi;
 
@AndrewStacey So you suspect a potential windup in the angles?
 
@percusse Quite possibly. @JLDiaz's code went from the metapost book rather than Hobby's paper so maybe by looking at that I'll be able to see if there was any difference between the paper and the implementation.
@percusse Or something like that. A difference in the initial angles could have a knock-on effect like what we see there. Next step is to see what the python version produces and then (if that agrees with MP) to compare the data stage by stage.
Actually, next step is to go to bed.
 
@AndrewStacey :) Good night!
 
@PauloCereda No, I didn't. I'm too shy for this.
 
9:13 PM
@StefanKottwitz :) I'm shy too. :)
 
"Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night." Oh, wrong season. Should stop playing Angry Birds - gets me all confused.
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@PauloCereda I guess, if it's worthy, somebody will mention it.
 
@StefanKottwitz :)
@StefanKottwitz: Maybe they are also shy. :)
 
@PauloCereda Not as much as we are - just count our posts there.
 
@StefanKottwitz Indeed. :) I have two messages there. :)
 
9:27 PM
@PauloCereda Perhaps more than I, if I correctly remember.
 
@StefanKottwitz :)
I'll try to wrap Martin's texdef into a script. :)
 
9:48 PM
@PauloCereda, @egreg: I now uploaded it to CTAN. Manual and TDS ZIP file under: bitbucket.org/martin_scharrer/multienv/downloads
 
Good news! @BrunoLeFloch has left a comment!
 
@MartinScharrer Cool!
@egreg Really? Yay!!!
 
@PauloCereda ? texdef is already a script.
 
@MartinScharrer Sorry, I meant wrap it into a script for the web. :)
 
@MartinScharrer Seems nice.
 
9:50 PM
@PauloCereda Ah!
@egreg Thanks! And thanks again for the input.
I had the idea while working on adjustbox. You can use it in a similar way using the env key, but the content will always be boxed, which is not always wanted.
 
10:14 PM
@egreg: could you please take a look at the last code I added to my answer in the question about em-dash and hyphenation: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/56657/…? I've almost neves used a catcode change so I don't know how sensible my suggestion is.
 
10:31 PM
@GonzaloMedina It works, but I'd favor a "shorthand" way. There's a question by lockstep about how enabling the German shorthands in English; the accepted answer was by Herbert, IIRC.
@GonzaloMedina Regarding the Turkish question: if you pass the [fragile] option to the frame, it works with \shorthandoff in the figure environment. But look also at my comment.
@AlanMunn I didn't even think to look into IPA symbols. :)
 
@egreg w.r.t the hookD question, if you used XeLaTeX or LuaLaTeX, how do you get an arbitrary unicode symbol to count as a math symbol. Then using mathspec you could just use a font that contains it. (Lots do.)
 
@egreg thank you. I'll have a look at that question.
 
@AlanMunn Just insert the glyph in a \mbox: you don't even need mathspec.
 
@egreg ha! You're absolutely right; I overlooked the fact that the OP is using inputenc with utf8. I'll add a note to my answer.
 
@egreg But if you want it to count as a regular math character without the mbox?
 
10:43 PM
@AlanMunn It doesn't make any difference: just define \hookD to use \mbox; with \mathchoice if it's to be used in (sub|super)scripts: \newunicodechar is your friend. :) I'll add an example.
 
@egreg Ok. That might be helpful to the OP.
 
11:14 PM
@GonzaloMedina :-) by the way thanks for fixing the image in that other question, did I really not upload it and/or upload the wrong one? Javascript rots my brain I fear
 
11:35 PM
@DavidCarlisle no problem at all ;-) the image was the same that you had initially posted. I don't know if you uploaded an old version or if you didn't re-upload it.
 

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