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12:48 AM
I have an unusual question for you. Does anyone know where I can buy an edition of “Alice in wonderland” which preserves the original formatting by Lewis Carroll? All the versions I could find on Amazon are reformatted, some are even missing the illustrations. Unfortunately I don't have the spare £10000 to buy the 1866 printing.
 
 
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6:53 AM
@UlrikeFischer one possible answer is that it is up to the font designer to say what happens if i is followed by a combining dot accent, but the other answer is to say 1
@HenriMenke wander around the second hand bookshops in Oxford?
 
@UlrikeFischer ooh an online bookstore, you are so modern!
 
@HenriMenke sorry this was meant for you ^^^^
 
@UlrikeFischer ask @HenriMenke :-)
 
 
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9:04 AM
@UlrikeFischer I clicked “leggi l'estratto” and it looks reformatted.
@UlrikeFischer I found this adobe.com/be_en/active-use/pdf/Alice_in_Wonderland.pdf which is a digital version of the 1866 original but there is no hardcopy available. It's pretty neat though.
@UlrikeFischer Oh, I overlooked that the “leggi l'estratto” view is actually “Formato Kindle”.
@UlrikeFischer However, when I looked it up on amazon.com I found this review
> This IS NOT THE ORIGINAL!!! IT IS AN OVERSIZED PAPERBACK WITH EXTRA SMALLL ILLUSTRATIONS!! DO NOT BUY; EXPECTING THE ORIGINAL HARDBOUND COPY!!!!
 
 
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10:22 AM
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@HenriMenke This is interesting. Do you share J.J. Abrams' obsession?
 
@Krishna I don't know. What are you referring to?
 
In the second season of the TV series 'Alias', Sydney Bristow's mother left her the first edition of Alice in Wonderland, which was destroyed in a fire.
@HenriMenke Well, the first edition is extremely rare, and costs nearly $15000
And director J.J. Abrams is obvsessed with it..... I thought your question was very curious
 
@Krishna I know it's rare and I surely don't want to have the original but a reprint with the same formatting. The formatting is actually important for the storytelling, see for example PDF page 26 in digitized version here: adobe.com/be_en/active-use/pdf/Alice_in_Wonderland.pdf
 
@AlanMunn Congrats, and @DavidCarlisle can't say anything about the comma!
 
10:28 AM
Alan Munn, congratulations for the palindromic point score in Tex.SX
@HenriMenke LuaTeX bug alert!!!
 
@CarLaTeX a straight comma would be better
 
@DavidCarlisle You did warn me not to use LuaTeX 1.08 :(
And I didn't listen
 
@Krishna :-)
 
LuaTeX v1.08 has issues with pdfpages package
 
@DavidCarlisle @AlanMunn forget it :)
 
10:32 AM
In particular, scanned pages do not show up (i.e. they appear as black/blank in mupdf)
 
@Krishna That's not surprising. Poppler was replaced by pplib.
 
Yes....so, what is the right way to use it
 
@Krishna you need to simplify down to a plain tex (not latex) image inclusion then report on luatex list.
 
I have a publishing agreement with a publisher informing me of fair rights reproduction of published content in a non-commercial docuent such as my phd thesis
 
@Krishna But in most cases these issues are due to non-standard PDFs. In contrast to Poppler, pplib adheres strictly to the PDF standard. Unfortunately nobody else in the world does.
 
10:33 AM
In my thesis, I have to include this in the appendix
 
@Krishna I think @HenriMenke just meant it's an entirely new code path for the engine pdf support so bugs are expected.
@Krishna did anyone mention you shouldn't use development software for production documents? :-)
 
I had to print and physically sign this, scan and email to the publisher
Well, the announcement page proudly claims "stable"
 
@Krishna You'll have better luck when you can make a reproducible example in either Plain TeX or ConTeXt and post to the LuaTeX or ConTeXt list.
That is incorrect:

> (1) This release is a prelude to 1.10, the next stable iteration of LuaTeX
after version 1.00.
 
ConTeXt doesn't really support external packages other than TikZ and a small handful
 
@Krishna as I warned you, things are basically untested until they roll out to latex, and there is no supported lualatex 1.08 yet.
 
10:36 AM
Hmm...... understood
 
@Krishna In contrast to LaTeX, ConTeXt doesn't need any external packages. Everything can be done with core functionality.
 
This makes 1.08 an official release (only in trunk has the official releases!).
Yes, I know.....
 
@Krishna that's the point: don't use external packages, just make a plain or context example of a pdf inclusion that works in 1.07 and not in 1.08, then you can make a bug report to the luatex team.
 
@DavidCarlisle err....I forgot the plain/context syntax...and I haven't done a scanned pdf inclusion
This is with pdfpages inclusion of a hand-signed document.
Can I get a helping hand ?
These are the properties of the document being included
Tagged: no
UserProperties: no
Suspects: no
Form: none
JavaScript: no
Pages: 3
Encrypted: no
Page size: 595 x 842 pts (A4)
Page rot: 0
File size: 2556334 bytes
Optimized: no
PDF version: 1.4
 
@Krishna well you could try reporting it with a latex example and hope someone on the list cuts it down to plain tex so it can be traced through the engine.
 
10:40 AM
It is a 3 page document, the first page and last page is pure printed text. The second page had printed text with blanks for signature.
Ok...I will try..... Bug reports work through the mailing list in luatex, I think
 
\saveimageresource{cow.pdf}
\useimageresource\lastsavedimageresourceindex
\bye
@Krishna ^^^^^
@Krishna That's how you include images in plain LuaTeX.
 
Well....As David said, I am going to give a basic latex example in the bug report email
 
@Krishna First try recompressing your PDF. If you have Ghostscript installed you can use
gs -o repaired.pdf -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -dPDFSETTINGS=/prepress corrupted.pdf
@Krishna I'm 95% sure that it's the PDF you try to include that's broken and the new library doesn't like that.
 
@Krishna it would be much better to make a plain example
 
Well.... I am sure as well.
 
10:48 AM
@Krishna You have to send plain or ConTeXt. Nobody will bother to look at LaTeX.
@Krishna I tried before...
 
Yes. I read that as well .... It also says don't bother reporting bugs in trunk unless you are a developer
I tried a repair using pdftk
Still I get the same results
a completely blank (black) page for the 2nd page (scanned page containing signature)
 
@Krishna pdftk is deprecated. Try gs, mutool, or qpdf.
 
ok..... trying now
Ok...did gs ...... shows up fine in zathura pdf viewer which is based on mupdf
Trying the build now
 
11:04 AM
@HenriMenke that actually worked!
Can you please help me understand what is happening here?
The scanned page showed up just fine in LuaTeX 1.07, broke in 1.08 and then worked fine after the ghostscript "repair"
In the first place, why did I have to "repair" the scanned pdf?
 
@Krishna As I already said, Poppler (used in LuaTeX 1.07) is very relaxed in terms of non-standard PDFs and will try its best to render something for you. The new pplib (LuaTeX 1.08) does not like non-standard PDFs at all and will give up immediately. mupdf is also not very fond of non-standard PDFs.
 
@HenriMenke I guess we are going to see more questions about this after tl2019 released.....
@JosephWright ^^
 
@HenriMenke ok.... I understand.
But I do not agree that mupdf does not like non-standard pdf
The original "corrupted" pdf with my hand-signature showed up just fine in zathura and llpp , two mupdf based viewers
@DavidCarlisle this might break a few documents written in 2018 when compiled with TL2019
curiously, ghostscript upgraded the document from PDF 1.4 (corrupted) to PDF 1.5 (repaired), and increased the file size too!
 
11:23 AM
@Krishna luatex simply isn't as stable as pdftex, these things happen.
 
ok....
In a way, it is good.... At-least I could weed out non-standard PDF from my thesis
I mean, pdfx package coolly produces these wrong pdfs, which fails a lot of verapdf checks
And, the funny thing is that, it announces to the world that it is a compliant PDF when opened in a viewer......But fails quite a few checks in any validator
I hate `PDF /A' standards with all my heart
 
@Krishna yes well (I guess) they are not aimed at you. If you rely on a screen reader to read the pdf, then you may be happy to have the pdf that meets those additional constraints.
 
From what I read, I disagree
This is all just a gimmick to comply to standards and cover one's own back to be on the right side of law
There are hardly any structured and tagged PDFs at any of the taught modules at Imperal
and no author really bothers putting in alternative text
 
@Krishna things get better, slowly
 
furthermore, pdfx doesn't even produce 'a-level' documents. It ends up producing pseudo 'b-level' documents
which breaks a lot of packages along the way
 
11:31 AM
@Krishna (a) it's hard and (b) it's volunteer labour. If you can do better submit something to ctan.
 
:)
I understand the hard part. The PDF specification is one of the most complex I have seen
 
@Krishna well no :) actually. I meant it.
 
I am no good at TeX programming...... The macro package style of coding scares the hell out of me
source2e is the best doc to show to scare wannabe programmers away :)
I do want to get started though and thank you for inviting to contribute to CTAN
 
@Krishna that's fine, but then don't disparage other people's efforts.
@Krishna you do not need an invite, anyone can submit anything
 
Yes....I am sorry.... I didn't mean to disparage..... It was frustrating to work with 'pdf a'
 
11:35 AM
@Krishna It's simply a very different mindset to other forms of programming
@Krishna Remember this code goes back a long way: resource limits show up all through source2e
 
These difficulties are not completely clear to the beginner who just thinks it is a matter of simply inserting \usepackage{pdfx}
Dear both, I am sorry.... I did not mean to disparage at all... I am sorry if my words conveyed the wrong idea
 
@Krishna Well yes, that's why people like @DavidCarlisle work hard to provide interfaces for people :)
 
Yes... I have been following the team's work since 2009
But in Industry, I was laughed off for telling people to use a TeX based system for documentation
And this was a big silicon-valley firm.
 
@Krishna we don't use tex here, @JosephWright writes his papers in Word ....
 
I know you use XML....... But wait, Joseph uses Word ??
What?
The entire rsc bundle is joseph, I thought
 
11:40 AM
@Krishna using XML wouldn't have stopped us using tex (you need something to typeset it if you want pdf) we used to use 3b2 and now we have stopped making pdf at all, and just ship the doc as html.
 
3B2 is expensive especially after the PTC sale
its now APP, isn't it.....which can seamlessly do XML
Yes,,,, and I really like the fact that you stopped PDF completely
 
@Krishna yes:-) its supposed to be called APP now but seems like most people call it 3b2 anyway.
 
There was a gov.uk whitepaper on why PDF should no longer be produced for government business
 
@Krishna Really?
 
came out in July this year
Yes...blog of Government digital service
Government Digital Service
 
11:42 AM
@Krishna Day job is as a chemistry lecturer ('professor'): most admin docs have to be written in Word
 
Why GOV.UK content should be published in HTML and not PDF
 
@Krishna yes but that looks like it is from the people maintaining the website rather than from the government.
 
it says, Organisations: Government Digital Service, Cabinet Office
in the affiliation section
 
@Krishna yes it's an arm of the government but it is expressing an opinion of the maintainers of the gov.org website that it's easier to make accessible html than accessible pdf (which is clearly true)
 
Ok...... Seems like Her Majesty's government has some good thinkers
and in the right direction to take back control (pun intended)
On the serious side, I fully agree with all the reasons given in the blog...although some are obvious
here is a more official instruction, rather than an opnion blog
"PDFs can be bad for accessibility. It can be difficult for users to customise them for ease of reading, and often they do not work very well with assistive technologies like screen readers.

Wherever possible, create content in HTML formats. If you cannot avoid publishing a PDF, it should be in addition to an HTML version.

As a minimum, any PDF you publish must meet Level AA of the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0."
PDFs should be in addition to a HTML version ..... blavo
 
11:49 AM
@Krishna The thing of course is that HTML 'publishing' means you loose control of layout (more or less) entirely, particularly in respect of line breaking. The thing is that 'reflowing text' is more-or-less directly in opposition to the history of publishing, where page/paper design, font size, line breaks, etc., are all linked
 
Understand
 
@Krishna Of course, it does depend on what the aim is
 
I cannot read papers in Kindle for example because they are all PDFs
they don't reflow in the available 6 inches of space
With KaTeX development really up to speed, I really like a HTML-based reflowable rendering that will work across all my devices
 
@Krishna Well yes, the think is the typeblock is far too small on those devices ...
 
But saves me eye strain
I thnk publishing houses have to think outside the box sooner than later
 
12:02 PM
one should strain one's eyes once in a while to prevent them from getting lazy
 
@Krishna Depends on your target audience. For example, I always print off papers and read them 'traditionally', whilst books I like to buy on dead trees
 
but you can't zoom in on paper
(unless you transcribe it by hand)
 
@Krishna Trust me that it's close to impossible to typeset scientific papers well on adaptable media.
@JosephWright this might change quite soon; soon you'll simply have a 20-or-so-page "book" that would be whichever book you wish and would allow you to swipe through the pages almost the traditional way. At least that's what I think will happen.
 
12:27 PM
@boycott.se-yo' Possibly, but the business about (good) book design linking paper size, margins, fonts, line breaks, etc., will remain
@boycott.se-yo' Certainly I find the HTML views of papers entirely useless other than for quickly checking experimental details
 
@JosephWright exactly
@JosephWright yeah, but maybe publishers will come to more standardized book sizes, like sticking to B5 more often
 
@boycott.se-yo' Also true
 
@user2646 that's what your mobile phone is for.
 
12:44 PM
@JosephWright certainly those publishers that find the right way how to "go handheld" and the right way how to keep with the modern technology and preserve reasonable standards should be praised in the future :-)
 
 
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3:59 PM
shame they don't serve pizza
 
@DavidCarlisle well, the best pizza comes from the middle of the Pacific anyway, why come to Italy...
 
@boycott.se-yo' true enough.
 
@DavidCarlisle the article says that they serve pizza ...
 
@UlrikeFischer oh yes there's even a picture
 
 
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6:16 PM
Question: Why does LaTeX keep printing \v{S} as v?
 
@Canageek it doesn't for me.
 
@UlrikeFischer Working on a MWE now
@UlrikeFischer It has something to do with bibtex
@UlrikeFischer I'm posting it as a question
 
6:33 PM
@Canageek \renewcommand\v[1]{v} in your preamble.
 
@DavidCarlisle What does that do and why?
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Q: Why is bibtex mangaling \v{S} into v?

CanageekI've got a citation where the authors name includes Š. LaTeX gives an "! Package inputenc Error: Invalid UTF-8 byte sequence." on this, fine, I'm used to that, so I replace it with \v{S}. That just gives me a v in the output. But \v{z} works just fine. MWE: \documentclass[]{article} \usepackag...

I made a MWE
@DavidCarlisle It works fine in the body text, not the bib file. Same answer?
 
@Canageek well mostly it was a spurious unhelpful answer...
@Canageek I'll look at the MWE.. :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Reads command Oh, yeah. I don't THINK so, but I honestly thought making the MWE was going to make the problem vanish and I'd have to wade through a ton of template issues
 
@Canageek vvv
This is BibTeX, Version 0.99d (TeX Live 2018)
The top-level auxiliary file: aa864.aux
The style file: abbrvnat.bst
Database file #1: UTF8.bib
Illegal end of database file---line 18 of file UTF8.bib
 :     journal = "Journal of Applied Crystallography",
 :
I'm skipping whatever remains of this entry
Warning--empty year in LaTeX
Warning--empty year in UTF8
Warning--empty year in TeachingReview
Warning--empty year in TeachingReview
(There was 1 error message)
 
@DavidCarlisle Dammit, but have screwed something up and forgot to delete the old .bib
@DavidCarlisle Fixed. Was just missing a }. Must have deleted it when editing something and didn't notice as the .bib was already on the disk
 
6:43 PM
@UlrikeFischer beat me to it:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I guess you didn't hear anything from Elie regarding the luaotfload github?
 
@UlrikeFischer No I'm happy to mail again and point out it's critical now as it doesn't work at all with 1.08, but I was waiting for you to get back
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm only musing about the options. E.g. do you know if travis could be used there?
 
@UlrikeFischer I don't see why not
@UlrikeFischer it just needs someone with admin rights to authorise travis, then anyone with normal member rights (you (if added), me, ...) can edit the travis config scripts in the usual way
@UlrikeFischer Elie and Philipp have owner/admin in the lualatex group
@UlrikeFischer or would you rather just run it from your github and kill the one at lualatex organisation. (actually there is an argument it ought to be in the latex3 github organisation as it's a required component of lualatex these days (@JosephWright)
 
7:11 PM
@DavidCarlisle One for the team meeting, perhaps
 
@JosephWright do we have one coming up?
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah: I need to do a Doodle poll ... this evening
 
Anonymous
Hi, any idea what the most efficient way to generate an image like this would be?
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
(I don't know the functional forms of the curves. I just need to make something that resembles the above image.)
 
7:24 PM
@Blue \includegraphics ? (I'm sure someone would draw it in tikz, but....)
 
Anonymous
@DavidCarlisle I know that I need to use \includegraphics in order to insert the image :P But I need to generate it by myself first (can't directly copy from the textbook)
 
@Blue well you don't need includegrahics you could draw the whole thing in latex just using tikz or pstricks or whatever, but you could make an image like that in anything, just draw it by hand in a bitmap editor such as paint if you want the real "hand sketch" look
 
7:38 PM
@JosephWright I must be getting old, the London Mathematical Society just mailed me to say I no longer need to pay as I've been a member for 35 years:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Hi, David, can I ask you a simple question?
 
@Sebastiano just ask, don't ask if you can ask :-)
 
Why on TeX.meta my question have a shadow :)?
@DavidCarlisle I ask out of respect; you can probably be busy.
 
@DavidCarlisle at the end it should be imho somewhere where there is a certain garanty that it doesn't ends abandoned like now. So latex3 sounds good. For the near future imho we simply need a "working" place. My account is probably fine - at least the tests are already running there.
 
@Sebastiano no idea, it doesn't when I view it is it just because it's your question and you are looking (I have never asked a question so I know nothing about the site styles that view:-)
 
7:43 PM
@UlrikeFischer Hi and welcome.
 
@UlrikeFischer yes agreed, but if we think it might move to l3 (or stay with you) then we just need to ask elie to authorise ctan for you to upload yours, we don't need to ask that you join that gh organisation
 
@DavidCarlisle Now I ask a question on meta. Thank you very much.
 
@Sebastiano yes but it would have been better to just ask, no need to ping anyone then if people are busy they just don't answer. if you ping someone and ask if you can ask, then you have already asked them a question that they feel they have to answer.
 
@DavidCarlisle yes, that's probably easier.
 
8:10 PM
@DavidCarlisle all tests pass currently - with luatex 1.07 and with luatex 1.08. And the arabluatex author says everything is fine (much better than before). But I wish I had a few luatexja tests too (I asked through Norbert but didn't get an answer).
 
@UlrikeFischer open a ticket at osdn.net/projects/luatex-ja/ticket asking for confirmation it works with the updated fontloader?
 
8:46 PM
@samcarter This shows that marmots are very advanced being who use bluetooth. Do you know how to reset in TikZ the stroke color in an elegant way?
 
@marmot I am sure when professor Knuth sat down to write TeX, he had in mind the need to draw animated marmots with suspiciously coloured teeth bouncing on a spring.
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@DavidCarlisle I fully agree with that. What else would it be good for. ;-)
 
@marmot ducks?
 
@DavidCarlisle Good point. But I guess he really had marmots in his mind. After all, he is a professor. ;-)
 
@marmot Can you try with this marmot: github.com/samcarter8/tikzlings/blob/master/… ?
 
8:52 PM
@marmot we sat today in a restaurant looking on an empty lawn and thought something it missing - now I know what.
 
@samcarter No, the error is entirely on my side. I created a decoration with two different colors, and when setting the color with \pgfsetstrokecolor, TikZ remembers this. The color business is really tricky.
 
@marmot ^^^ place it here.
 
@UlrikeFischer Honey liquor?
 
@marmot Yes, but the new marmot does not use lines, so the problem should not manifest :)
 
@marmot We had a quite good italian dessert wine ;-).
 
8:57 PM
@UlrikeFischer Well, no wonder no marmot showed up. ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer The lawn looks remarkably green after this dry summer
 
@samcarter The water came from the snow storm @UlrikeFischer had on her device. ;-)
 
@marmot That makes sense! At current temperature it would melt immediately and make the lawn so green :)
 
@samcarter Well, I actually also mess up the fill color. (But yes, since you explicitly specify the fill, this nice marmot will be safe... ;-) On the other hand, blue tooth can be rather useful. ;-)
 
Hi folks. I've got two parboxes, which I'm trying to separate with vspace, but the vspace command only works if there is a space between the parbox and the vspace command. Does anyone know why this is?
The vboxes look like this:
\newcommand\PSiglineThree[4][t]{%
  \parbox[#1]{.333\linewidth}{\raggedright#2}%
  \parbox[#1]{.333\linewidth}{\raggedright#3}%
  \parbox[#1]{.333\linewidth}{\raggedright#4}%
}
 
9:02 PM
@FaheemMitha if you use vspace mid line then it adds space after the current line
@FaheemMitha you see the same if you do aaa \vspace{1cm} bbb then the space comes after bbb not after aaa
 
@DavidCarlisle But I was stacking those calls vertically.
I.e. it was:
 
@FaheemMitha basically always put a blank line or \par before `\vspace
 
parbox1
\vspace{}
parbox2
 
@FaheemMitha no you are not, you are putting them in a horzontal list.
@FaheemMitha a newline is the same as a space in a tex source
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh. I see. Should I use \par instead?
 
9:05 PM
@marmot I could enable something like \marmot[teeth=blue]...
 
@FaheemMitha just write a paragraph of text, and you will see if you wrap the input it makes no dchange to the output
@FaheemMitha or blank line
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, I understand.
@DavidCarlisle It makes no difference?
 
@samcarter Hmmh, maybe this won't be the most popular option... ;-)
 
@FaheemMitha basically a parbox is just like a big letter, tex uses the same rules for your three parboxes as it would use if you had a b c
 
@DavidCarlisle No problem to me, I don't drink coffee, I don't like it, even the authentic one. However, Milanese people are complaining because they closed some streets in the center for the inauguration (and even for the palm trees in piazza Duomo, sponsored by the same company).
 
9:07 PM
@DavidCarlisle Ok.
 
@FaheemMitha a blank line parses as \par, if you use \renewcommand\par{hello} then every blank line will produce the text hello
 
@DavidCarlisle I understand. Is there any reason to use \par rather than a blank line? I.e. \par is less easily accidentally removed?
 
@FaheemMitha I'd never use \par in a document but often use \par in macro definitions
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok. Thank you, that's very helpful.
 
@marmot Probably, but the teeth keyword exists anyway and passing the colour to the shape would be very easy. If you would add a couple of lines, you could create a marmot on a en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo_stick
 
10:00 PM
@CarLaTeX We should all emigrate to Nepal:no Starbucks, no McDonalds, and really nice mountains. ;-)
 
10:11 PM
After having read tex.stackexchange.com/a/445384/165772, I'm wondering why ctan.org/pkg/type1cm does not say that type1cm is obsolete. Any idea?
 
10:22 PM
@user49915 well it's up to a package author (normally) to say a package is obsolete not for someone else. Actually in this case I'd say the tex.sx answer is wrong (or at best misleading) about what the type1cm package does.
 
@marmot Also really dodgy internet. And poor computer infrastructure.
 
@FaheemMitha Believe me, I really LOVED being offline when I hiked there, ;-)
 
@marmot Plus few or no marmots.
@marmot I guess some of us are more addicted than others.
 
@DavidCarlisle In this case, would you mind providing a comment to the particular answer at tex.SE?
 
@user49915 I was just doing that:-) It's always a pleasure to leave a comment correcting @egreg
 
10:28 PM
@FaheemMitha Really. This is from India, where people are more bored and spend more time on youtube. Why do you think there are no marmots in Nepal?
 
@marmot Because it's cold and mountainous?
 
@FaheemMitha Hmmh, how many of your friends are marmots? ;-) We actually love cold and mountains. And honey liquor. And pineapple cake. ;-)
 
@marmot Regrettably my social circle is notably short of marmots.
 
@marmot s/cake/pizza/
@user49915 still leaves the question why it looks wrong, I'll look..
 
@DavidCarlisle Thank you!
 
10:45 PM
@user49915 hmm the definition of \Join is rather "optimistic" it only really works for one font, we could blame @barbarabeeton
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm afraid I'm not the right person to attach the blame, but I would definitely like to hear what she might wish to say. @barbarabeeton What do you think of tex.stackexchange.com/questions/445374/… ?
 
@DavidCarlisle What is panpizza?
 
@user49915 \Join is defined by just typesetting ⋊ and ⋉ with a negative kern of -13.8mu between them. that -13.8 magic number isn't so magic if the font is not msbm10 (and with type1cm it ends up being msbm7 at 9pt)
 
@FaheemMitha Yes, we are not very present on facebook. ;-)
 
@marmot Ugh, I don't use Facebook.
 
11:00 PM
@FaheemMitha Good for you. Wouldn't make too much sense, hard to find marmots there. ;-)
 
Dumb question that is hard to google: is \ref* a thing? TexStudio keeps turning my \ref into \ref*, and none of my usual sources say that is a thing, and it doesn't seem to work, so I'm not sure why TexStudio keeps doing it. Also searching for * is....not useful
 
@Canageek hyperref non hyper version of \ref
 
@DavidCarlisle Dammit, OK, that helps, now I know what to tell TeXstudio to ignore
 
@user49915 I posted an answer
 
11:27 PM
Next dumb question: is there an easy way to add a footnote that uses the same numbering as my citation list? I'm using natbit currently.
Read over the natbib manual, no dice, and did some google searching
 
@Canageek define same
 
@DavidCarlisle So I've got foo\cite{A} bar\cite{B} yadda yadda\footenote{some text} then at the end I'd get 1. A 2. B 3. some text
 
@Canageek but do you want the footnote text to be at the bottom of the current page or at the end of the document with the citations?
 
@DavidCarlisle In that citations. Sorry, I should have said endnote
@DavidCarlisle Chemistry always uses superscript citations, but footnote vs endnote changes per journal, so we just let the templates take care of that. I just want this comment in the citations list, no matter if it is at the bottom of the page or the end of the document.
 
@Canageek and you want the citation number for the next \cite to be increased by 1 to make space
@Canageek of course easiest way would be to use \cite
 
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@DavidCarlisle And add the text to the bib file? That makes editing harder later on, but I've considered it.
@DavidCarlisle I suppose I could make a citation with author "Note:" and then put the rest of the text as a note on the end of the citation.
 

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