English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

tchrist

00:57

@Cerberus The part that says 'ENGLISH LANGUAGE & USAGE' has turned super-teensy-tiny.

Cerberus

@tchrist Oh, hmm, I see.

How odd.

I hadn't noticed because I never look at it, it's part of the décor.

Why would they have done that?

Perhaps they are about to change the site into "SWR & Usage"?

Robusto

America worships the military—and war itself

"Despite the fact that our military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan have languished on for years, taking a heavy toll on the civilian population and the environment, Americans are increasingly placing ever greater confidence in the military over other pillars of our government."

Mitch

01:34

@Cerberus What? I didn't see any gorilla.

Cerberus

@Mitch Nobody does!

@Robusto Yeah, it's weird.

tchrist

@Cerberus just a random screw-up

Cerberus

Pop culture has something to do with it.

Mitch

Culture is pop culture.

Otherwise it would be called unpopular culture

tchrist

haut

Cerberus

01:36

I believe the Department of War even has a liaison office in Hollywood.

Mitch

and that would be bad culture

Cerberus

They lend lots of military equipment to the film studios.

So they profit from each other.

And lots of films about war are produced.

Mitch

war is entertaining

Cerberus

And the public will eat whatever is stuffed into their mouths.

Mitch

there should be a few musicals

three guys and a doll?

Cerberus

01:38

@Mitch Indeed, cf. the Iliad. But we ought to have been past that now.

Mitch

Oh yeah. the iliad was awesome!

Beowulf like when he ripped off grendel's head and shit

when they say the wine-red sea they mean the blood red sea because his enemies will fill the rivers and drain to the sea

there are some good fight scenes in Shakespeare I suppose

there's the bear

i mean the mauling is all offstage

but still

And aw man that scene in Northanger Abbey with the chase across the tiled rooves and chmineys of Bath jumping across alleyes, crashing through skylights into work rooms of sewing machines and looms and throwing punches between warp and weft and slicing shears and dodging broken glass and then driving the stage coach from the roof onto the top of a moving train.

OK it was late Jane Austen

I want to get this historically accurate

Cerberus

02:01

Violence is one thing; war is another, especially glorified.

Our past was an immoral time.

But one would have hoped that we should no longer glorify war after what happened with Hitler and stuff.

The sixties and the seventies were about peace.

Despite the cold war, and despite the operations of some Western governments.

But, apparently, people still like to imbibe the liquor of violence on the telly.

And horribly maimed metaphors.

tchrist

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Q: The Incredible Shrinking ELU Banner

Something awful has happened the top of all our pages. Earlier today they looked like this: But now it has shrunk to a nearly unreadable proportion: The new version is completely shrunken, which also destroys the stroke width in the logo with the now-misshapen small caps. It’s also grossly...

Anonymous

That can't be intentional.

Anonymous

Oh, phew. It's not.

tchrist

Scared me.

Mitch

@Cerberus The past is another country

Like Belgium

I mean are they French or Dutch? Pick one and stick with it

@Cerberus dead metaphors

@snailboat I'd rather it be intentional, because if it's a bug, then WTH how did that happen to everyone?

What else could go wrong that we didn't expect?

Cerberus

02:20

@Mitch We've both tried to incorporate it.

But it never worked out.

tchrist

03:44

I see bad keming.

How can you get bad keming with small caps!?

Also, levitating letters and sinkers, too.

tchrist

03:57

If this happens on the Graphic Design site too, they’re going to have to give people anti-seizure medication first.

Cerberus

04:21

That looks as though it were on purpose?

Feeds

05:20

0

Q: Word for "a person looking for a match"?

I'm writing up some code and I'm having some trouble naming my variables. You say, "I'm looking for a match." So your supposed partner who has similar attributes is your "match". Then what are you called?

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SmokeDetector

08:29

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Url in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +7 more: supplementforuse.com/keto-ultra-pills/ by kotdoerz on english.SE

terdon

@Cerberus you used the word anistorical in your answer. Does it actually exist in English? Don't you mean ahistorical?

Feeds

09:36

0

Q: Is there an English word for being half as old as a parent?

Like when you reach 20, and your mother is 40. Is there a phrase/word/whatever that describes this phenomenon? Alternatively, is there a word for this with any two (unrelated) people?

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Feeds

12:52

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Q: What is it called when I got enough sleep?

Do we just say, I’ve had enough sleep, or I’m full of sleep or something else?

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SmokeDetector

13:05

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected, potentially bad keyword in answer, toxic answer detected: What is it called when I got enough sleep? by Genkir Singh Siddarth on english.SE

Feeds

13:22

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Q: Verb for getting something (e.g. information) by cunning and/or perseverance

I need some information from person A. Person A is not willing to give it to me. So instead of asking directly I keep asking secondary questions hoping that he may say something that might (partially) hint me the information I need. I may even ask other people. Or keep asking so many times that p...

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Mitch

@terdon You have a tiny smudge on your screen hiding the h's ascender.

Cerberus

13:35

@terdon I don't know, but, as you know, hi- is a vowel, so the alpha privans gets an -n-!

google.com/…

> Approaches to World Order - Page 95
https://books.google.nl/books?isbn=1316583678
Robert W. Cox - 1996 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
Structural Marxism shares some of the features of the neorealist problem-solving approach such as its anistorical, essentialist epistemology, though not its precision in handling data nor, since it has remained very largely a study in abstractions ...

terdon

@Cerberus Huh. I didn't find it in my cursory dictionary search, although I know that's how the word's spelled in other languages. I'd never seen it in English before.

Cerberus

> Teaching Women: Feminism and English Studies - Page 92
https://books.google.nl/books?isbn=0719026032
Ann Thompson, ‎Helen Wilcox - 1989 - ‎Snippet view - ‎More editions
This helped, but I felt as ifl was arguing unscrupulously, ignoring problems and forgetting about some real difficulties, such as the anistorical nature of the Freudian model. At that stage my group hadn't the confidence or experience to be as ...

@terdon Well, it's probably not very common...

Feeds

15:38

0

Q: Negative verb for "it will pay off"

I am looking for a word like pay off, but with a negative connotation, that would fit in this sentence: If we don't solve this problem now, it will _____ in the future.

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Matt E. Эллен

16:36

@Cerberus so is anisotropic the opposite of hisotropic? :p

Cerberus

@MattE.Эллен The h normally disappears when you prefix with -n-, so n + i and n + hi both become ni.

If the prefix is Greek, that is.

Matt E. Эллен

is historical Greek?

Cerberus

Yes.

Matt E. Эллен

:-o

Cerberus

And so is a(n)-.

Cf. haematology => anaemic.

Bloodless.

Matt E. Эллен

16:40

I see

terdon

@MattE.Эллен Sheesh, you even have to ask?

:P

Matt E. Эллен

Well, I need to get back to learning Greek, that's true :D

If only there were a Greek language SE! area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/117994/greek-language

terdon

It's been proposed at least 3 times so far :(

Matt E. Эллен

I find it odd, since there are much more obscure language SEs

terdon

Are there? Like what?

By the way, nice question!

> Is there a way to predict how to spell a modern Greek word with /i/ in it?

Matt E. Эллен

16:45

thanks :D

terdon

The answer is yes, but you need to know the etymology so for practical purposes, no.

Matt E. Эллен

I should try to note down questions as they come up

@terdon oh! nice. well, maybe one I'll know it all :D

@terdon Esperanto has very few native speakers... Latin has NONE AT ALL

terdon

True. However, Latin is hardly obscure and Esperanto is a darling of geeks, so I'm not surprised to see it here.

Matt E. Эллен

you'd think they'd love Greek, as every word comes from Greek ;)

terdon

17:06

@MattE.Эллен But do they know that? No, no, they don't! Bunch of lousy ingnoranuses!

Cerberus

@MattE.Эллен Classical Greek is allowed on Latin.SE!

Matt E. Эллен

@Cerberus I have no burning questions about that right now. I'm more concerned with modern Greek.

Cerberus

latin.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/greek

OK.

We already have 210 question on Greek.

Matt E. Эллен

that's good to know. perhaps I can sneak some modern Greek ones in there :D

Cerberus

Neva!

But vocabulary and etymology are fairly similar.

Matt E. Эллен

17:19

I don't think Greeks call horses hippos anymore. If I understand correctly they call them idiots

Cerberus

Haha, what?

Matt E. Эллен

I'm not 100% sure, I always misunderstand the explanation

but I think the Greek for horse comes from the Greek for stupid man

άλογο

Cerberus

That's stupid.

@MattE.Эллен Is that halogo or alogo? I can't see the spiritus.

A-logos could mean "non-speaking".

Or "non-reasoning".

Matt E. Эллен

ah! yeah, it could be that

I don't know the spiritus, only the tonos

Cerberus

It is the breathing mark, the mark that signifies whether or not to pronounce an h at the beginning of a word.

If it looks like a tiny c, it means h.

Matt E. Эллен

17:24

yeah, they don't write those anymore

Cerberus

Mirrored c means nothing.

Oh.

So what was the mark on your word?

Matt E. Эллен

the tonos, where the stress goes

Cerberus

Okay, and does it have a direction or is it straight?

As in, vertically straight.

terdon

Slightly slanted

Cerberus

Always in the same direction?

In Ancient Greek, there are three tonal accent marks.

terdon

17:26

Yes, only one in Modern and one more to separate dipthongs.

Cerberus

/ means the tone goes up; \ means it goes down; and /\ or ~ means it goes up and down.

terdon

> Monotonic orthography (from monos (μόνος) "single" and tonos (τόνος) "accent") is the standard system for Modern Greek. It retains two diacritics: a single accent or tonos (΄) that indicates stress, and the diaeresis (¨), which usually indicates a hiatus
but occasionally indicates a diphthong: compare modern Greek παϊδάκια (/pajˈðaca/, "lamb chops"), with a diphthong, and παιδάκια (/peˈðaca/, "little children") with a simple vowel. A tonos and a diaeresis can be combined on a single vowel to indicate a stressed vowel after a hiatus, as in the verb ταΐζω (/taˈizo/, "to feed").

Since there's only one, the slanting isn't important at all. So people (and, presumably some fonts) will make it slanted while others will make it straight.

Cerberus

Interesting.

terdon

Dunno if I've ever seen a è as opposed to an é though. If you slant it, I think you'll always start from the top right towards the bottom left.

Cerberus

OK.

That is also the standard accent in Ancient Greek.

The sharp accent, or acutus, or aigu.

Or oxys in Greek.

The other being the heavy(?) accent, the gravis, grave, barys.

Which I believe is only used on the final syllable of a word where there would otherwise be an acute accent.

terdon

17:32

@Cerberus Yes, the οξεία in Modern Greek. That's the one we kept.

Cerberus

Exactly.

terdon

@Cerberus Not dasia?

(δασεία)

Oh. No, that's something else. I'd never even heard of baria. Neat!

Cerberus

Latin accentus corresponds to Greek προσῳδία prosōdía "song sung to instrumental music, pitch variation in voice"[9] (the word from which English prosody comes), acūtus to ὀξεῖα oxeîa "sharp" or "high-pitched",[10] gravis to βαρεῖα bareîa "heavy" or "low-pitched",[11] and circumflexus to περισπωμένη perispōménē "pulled around" or "bent".[12] The Greek terms for the diacritics are nominalized feminine adjectives that originally modified the feminine noun προσῳδία and agreed with it in gender.

I always forget the details.

Baria, indeed.

Do you still use the iota subscript?

terdon

@Cerberus Interesting

@Cerberus nope

That was done away with in 1982 along with the rest of the diacritics

Cerberus

I see.

And do you pronounce it at all?

What does the omega in προσῳδία sound like?

terdon

17:50

Like any other omega or any other omikron

Feeds

18:08

0

Q: Name for a Generic Selection that Leads to a Narrow Selection

I have a naming issue. I have the following airport preferences for the user to select from. I need to give this group of options a succinct & descriptive name: • Los Angeles (LAX) • Algeria (ALG) • Other If they pick "Other", they get a new textbox and enter a name of the airport they want t...

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Q: What do you call a person who constantly mocks you about something wrong that you did (single event)

As the title says except that "something wrong" is an event that occurred a long time ago and the person keeps bringing it up. For example, my brother hits me and I complain but after that, every time he hits me, he tells me to go and complain in a sarcastic tone. I'm not sure if there's a word. ...

single-word-requests

Cerberus

18:27

@terdon Ah, OK.

Jasper Loy

18:38

Hello @KitZ.Fox.

Feeds

19:08

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Q: A more abstract/technical term for a "slicing" motion

I seek a word (verb, noun, adverb or adjective) that is suggestive of a particular type of constrained motion described below by way of example. It could be a flat planar sheet moving within the imaginary plane that contains it, or it could be a curved sheet moving in a circular motion within an...

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MetaEd

19:28

After noon campers

Mitch

hot

Kit Z. Fox

19:43

@JasperLoy Hello!

Jasper Loy

Oh hi, I thought I wasn't going to hear from you again. =)

Kit Z. Fox

Why is that?

Jasper Loy

Just that you were so busy and I didn't get any emails from you.

Anyway, I am back again on SE, for now, that is, lol.

Kit Z. Fox

Yes, I got your emails. It's hard for me to reply via email these days.

I'm glad you are back on SE so I can say hi here.

Jasper Loy

Oh OK, never mind then. There's nothing important anyway.

Kit Z. Fox

19:50

Really? Those things all sounded pretty important.

Jasper Loy

Haha, OK.

Yeah I have been following your vids.

Kit Z. Fox

Really? That's cool.

I'm glad you liked the last one.

It was a bit weird.

Jasper Loy

You know how you can see where your audience comes from right?

Kit Z. Fox

On YouTube? I don't think I looked for that.

Jasper Loy

Just go to the Creator's Studio, go to Analytics, then search by geography or region.

Feeds

19:53

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Q: UCF vs UConn Football

UCF vs UConn or https://ucfvsuconn.icu UCF at UConn or https://ucfatuconn.icu

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Kit Z. Fox

Oh cool. I'll check it out. Thanks.

Jasper Loy

You will see that if you see the all time results, and not just the past week or month, there will be at least X views from where I am if there are X videos, because I clicked on each vid at least once!

But I didn't watch all of them completely. I fast forwarded through most of them, lol.

@KitZ.Fox Yeah, it was weird, especially the ending, but it's fine, don't worry about it!

Mitch

sweltering

Kit Z. Fox

We just got a new kitty.

He is super cute with the butt wiggling pounce.

Mitch

Cats

how do they deal with the heat?

Kit Z. Fox

20:09

dunno, but lions. right? panthers. tigers. kind of hot areas.

Jasper Loy

It's cool the earlier OS X versions were named after cats.

I read how the name changed from Mac OS X to OS X and now to macOS.

I like the current version because the X doesn't say much.

Kit Z. Fox

I agree

MetaEd

20:37

I thought Mac OS was a dog, or a cow.

Dogcow

The dogcow named Clarus, is a bitmapped image designed by Apple for the demonstration of page layout in Mac OS. The sound she makes is "Moof!". Clarus became the archetype of surrealistic humor in the corporate culture of the original Macintosh group, particularly as the mascot of Apple’s Developer Technical Support as officially documented in Technote #31. == History == In 1983, the dog icon had been created by Susan Kare as the glyph for "z", as part of the Cairo font. Later, when designing the classic Mac OS "Page Setup" print dialog box, an example image was required to demonstrate th...

Moof.

Also, hello @KitZ.Fox

Mitch

@KitZ.Fox good point.

MetaEd

Clarus, the Dogcow : Moof Museum

Mitch

I am not a cat

At least not a good one

A very bad cat

Very bad at being a cat

MetaEd

@Mitch Bad cat. No donut.

Mitch

A bad cat is still a cat

MetaEd

20:49

That might be the wrong animal.

Mitch

Do cats like donuts?

That's not a philosophical question.

They'd sure look silly eating one.

But that's not to judge whether they'd like it or not

Cats, one can like them or not, but you just can't overrate a donut

Maybe if they called them 'dorat's, there's be a lot more type II diabetes among cats

Again, no judgement on cats

I sense you all judging cats now

MetaEd

@Mitch Cats like cream filled donuts.

Mitch

For what it's worth, cats just don't even bother judging you

@MetaEd Oh?

MetaEd

I do not regret googling pictures of cats eating donuts.

Mitch

There are some things worth having regrets over. I agree that that is not one of them

"That which isn't clear, isn't French"

... said no sane person ever.

Kit Z. Fox

21:04

@MetaEd Hi

Jasper Loy

21:30

@Mitch Some regrets last a lifetime, but if you do your best, then there is no need to regret.

KannE

21:47

I just heard that while I was away...you all were scaring people out of the chat room. Surely, it's just a rumor; it's not even September yet. It's barely Halloween in Walmart...ha-ha, or hee-hee if you prefer.

Feeds

23:39

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Q: Word that means naive due to the lack of experience?

I'm trying to find a word that describes a person who is innocent, clueless, and naive (maybe somewhat foolish) due to the lack of experience. Since this person has not felt what it feels like to be betrayed, tricked, or hurt in the world, s/he is unaware of the dangers s/he poses on him/hersel...

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