Root Access

rahuldottech

8:00 AM

morning

djsmiley2k

Sigh

trainign starts

webex on linux is still terrible

fortunately I have a laptop from work for this reason

>_<

Burgi

8:23 AM

spam i love the terrible english

> My anonymousness is that my leading concern also I utilize one-time email for mailing messages, besides utilize a special notebook, only with broken wireless internet and definitely a VPN. Thus, replying to this mail will not help make any sense.

broken wireless internet

djsmiley2k

lol

Burgi

is elon musk on glue?

djsmiley2k

8:45 AM

lol

So my friend on PSN told me he called one of the divers a Pedo

I've not fact checked it, but wtf?

bertieb

@djsmiley2k A friend of mine said the same thing

Michael Frank

Alright, this is really bugging me. Has anyone else experience the three-way Alt-Tab behaviour with Windows 10?

rahuldottech

@djsmiley2k Yeah. He did.

djsmiley2k

@rahuldottech source plz?

all seems a bit weird.

rahuldottech

cnet.com/news/…

bertieb

8:49 AM

@djsmiley2k The Grauniad has it

rahuldottech

theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/…

smh.com.au/world/asia/…

djsmiley2k

Sigh

Not cool Elon, not cool.

Training is still on introduction >_<

Bob

9:07 AM

wut

djsmiley2k

wut.

On at home training course all week

Bob

what's he smoking...

djsmiley2k

Oh Elon. Yeah, wut.

As someone noted, this is how you make a supervillian

rahuldottech

Here's the story:

Elon struck gold with PayPal.
Has too much money. Doesn't know what to do with it.
Dreams about mars.
Starts SpaceX.
Pissed about fuel prices.
Starts Tesla.
Angry at traffic.
Starts the Boring Company.
Wants a weapon.
Makes a fucking flamethrower.

Why? Because he can. And because it gets him publicity.

But he doesn't do any hard work. He doesn't stay up nights planning or working or anything. He pays people to do that stuff.

He's smart. He's not a genius. And people should stop treating him like a god.

Burgi

you are always going to get fan boys

djsmiley2k

9:15 AM

Indeed

Look at Trump.

Look at the kardashians

If you're going to spend your life telling people to stop worshipping stuff, you need to realise you've got 15,000 years of human evolution to break.

Burgi

we might all dead from radiation by this evening if his helsinki meeting goes badly

djsmiley2k

@Burgi we might all already be dying.

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech actually... It's all about mars

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek Not sure about the flame throwers?

But the rest, yup.

1. Wants to go to mars, builds rockets

2. Realises first we need Ai powered drones on mars and the rest of the solar system to explore for us - builds cars

3. Realised we aren't going to live on the surface of any planets other than earth - builds digging machines.

Next up - he'll solve the water crisis

(he's already started ;!)

bertieb

@rahuldottech He did sleep on the Tesla factory floor when it was undergoing production difficulties, so he claimed

@djsmiley2k The FLint, MI thing he's doing?

rahuldottech

9:19 AM

@bertieb publicity

djsmiley2k

teslarati.com/elon-musk-solve-flint-water-crisis

Journeyman Geek

Solar cells and batteries, he needs for methane production

djsmiley2k

@bertieb yeah partially that, but I'm sure he's say stuff about water production before

rahuldottech

@bertieb the same heroism thing

djsmiley2k

You know what you can do with huge voltages? You can make O3.

He's gonna fix the ozone layer too \o/

Journeyman Geek

9:20 AM

Needs water for humans and fuel

djsmiley2k

@rahuldottech lots and lots and lots of people have plenty of money

and never do anything useful with it.

bertieb

Well, they don't want the publicity...

Journeyman Geek

On the other hand he needs to work out not everything is a software engineering problem :p

bertieb

</snark> :P

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek Hmmm I'm not sure

same way money can solve any problem, if you've got enough of it.

rahuldottech

9:22 AM

<!--> is a valid html comment.

djsmiley2k

It may not be the best solution.

rahuldottech

I love it

bertieb

@djsmiley2k There was the businessman who threw money at getting folks in his community to finish high school (or such); great success was had

It does the rounds on social media

djsmiley2k

yah

Iirc, black males?

high rates of gun crime and drugs... etc

bertieb

Ah wait, I think they paid a living wage or something, and it increased HS completion %

djsmiley2k

9:24 AM

still

money isn't everything, but it definitely helps ;D

bertieb

Yup

Bleh, can't find the reference

djsmiley2k

L or R?

/me goes l

rahuldottech

9:42 AM

I asked a spammer where they got my email address from. Response:

> I got your email id from google database.....Our executives collect data from google.

djsmiley2k

have you googled your own email address

bertieb

The folks that spam-phone me from London-based numbers about 'investing' to get an 'additional stream of income' say they got my number from 'clicking on a banner advert' when I ask

djsmiley2k

lol wut

IP address? sure, phone number? I think not.

bertieb

Well yes

Sometimes if I'm bored I try to find out how they actually got my number

But it seem they would prefer to talk about these exciting investment opportunities

djsmiley2k

yah

bertieb

9:49 AM

Who'da thunk? :P

djsmiley2k

You could be rich!

never have to work again

bertieb

Other times I try to find out where they are registered

@djsmiley2k madly buys lottery tickets

"London"

"Okay, what address?"

djsmiley2k

Definitely never have to take up a job phoning people to make them rich!.

bertieb

"An address in London"

"What is the address in London?"

"That's where we are based."

djsmiley2k

Just ask for the company name

bertieb

9:52 AM

exuent Hamlet stage left, muttering

djsmiley2k

go on company house index

then read out the company adress, ask them if they know how much their execs get paid

bertieb

I've done that as well

djsmiley2k

tell them how much their execs get paid...

laugh

ask them why they aren't rich yet.

bertieb

I highly suspect it's a scam, but I'm not willing to go any further to prove it...

Yea

djsmiley2k

ofc it's a scam

You win if they start crying

and no, i don't think this is inhumane

they choose to do that job

Coventry named Europes 7th and UK's most dangerous city

yey

Bob

10:10 AM

@rahuldottech "But he doesn't do any hard work. He doesn't stay up nights planning or working or anything." I feel like that's being rather unfair.

No, scratch that. That's being very unfair.

Being the polar opposite of a "fanboy" is equally bad.

You miss the nuances of ... humanity ... when you put someone on a pedestal. But the same thing happens when you try your best to bury everything they've done.

I certainly don't agree with everything he's said or done, especially of today's news. But at the same time that's no reason to accuse him of resting on his laurels and effectively lounging around doing nothing.

@rahuldottech Devil's advocate for "To be called a hero. And when that failed, he went mad. As you can clearly see." — or he got pissed off at everyone claiming he only did it for publicity. As a human? I'd be fucking pissed off if I put money and effort in a genuine attempt to help and that was the reception. What he said was wrong, but it's also an entirely genuine human reaction.

rahuldottech

@Bob Fair enough. but when you're leading all these top companies, you've gotta learn how to deal with criticism

Bob

(Human reactions not necessarily being good, or bad. But implying that he could only have reacted that way because a machiavellian publicity stunt went wrong? No.)

rahuldottech

First time that happened, he said he'd start a public-rating system for media. The second time, he called someone who actually did really good work a pedo. I get where you're coming from. But if he goes on like this, it's only going to make stuff worse for him

Also, one of my braces' rubber bands snapped and is now stuck ARGH

Bob

@rahuldottech I'm not saying his reaction is the right thing to do, from either a moral or PR standpoint. I'm saying you should not assume his reaction is necessarily because some scheme went wrong. It's also a possible real reaction to a genuine attempt.

In other words, the reaction is not proof of any one possible cause.

rahuldottech

@Bob No, I know that.

Burgi

10:21 AM

ffs

we are getting search limited on google

djsmiley2k

lol

@Burgi someone's machine is supplying @bertieb's phone number to scammers via a machine at your workplace? :D

Burgi

maybe

chucked it over to our IT company

rahuldottech

> Early July: Collect and respond to feedback from this post

LMAOOOO Joe Friend totally bamboozled us

djsmiley2k

@Burgi in a another life, weh ad that happen

was some malware D:

@rahuldottech ??

rahuldottech

@djsmiley2k haha he didn't respond to a single thing hahahahahahahahahaha

Burgi

10:36 AM

the nuclear option is to swap everyone over to a new IP from the block we have from the ISP

> Note: I'm leaving on vacation later today, but didn't want to delay getting these designs posted. As such, I'll have limited time/ability to respond to feedback and comments until I return.

rahuldottech

@Burgi limited =/= no

Burgi

he cannot respond as he isn't there to respond

Bob

@rahuldottech did you manage to get the download working or should I upload it elsewhere?

rahuldottech

@Bob It's still running

Burgi

i sspect he will be back from holiday next monday

Bob

10:38 AM

@rahuldottech which program?

rahuldottech

@Bob httrack

djsmiley2k

News just in, SE doesn't give a crap what anyone thinks </notnews>

Bob

@rahuldottech does it do resumes?

rahuldottech

@Bob Yeah

Bob

ah cool

@JourneymanGeek ?

Journeyman Geek

10:42 AM

I have no idea

djsmiley2k

I think that was a quote.

Journeyman Geek

I think I accidentally set off a macro

djsmiley2k

you accidentally the internet?

Bob

@rahuldottech it's currently on a French server. the other options I have are au and usa. not sure which ones are fast from Indian internet... they're probably all shit

djsmiley2k

I know these photos are deliberately chosen but...

rahuldottech

10:44 AM

@Bob Let me chuck an upload script on to my homeserver upload file straight to it?

Bob

@rahuldottech if it's the same connection (both ends are the same) that probably won't help

I was more thinking if you had a jumpserver

rahuldottech

@Bob I'll have to download it anyway, no matter where you upload it. Argh

Alex Zamai

Hey Folks, is it possible to query logs of the Postgres DB from within that DB? I'm using a hosted version of Google Cloud SQL and I would like to see/export the queries that are executed in that DB?

Burgi

11:16 AM

no idea, you might want to raise a question on Database Administrators

i wish the EU would bring google to task on its awful customer services

i wonder if putin is giving trump his new orders

djsmiley2k

11:41 AM

Time to combine this 80 pdfs >_<

@AlexZamai I'd expect so

Journeyman Geek

12:01 PM

Oo

Andy K

12:20 PM

@djsmiley2k she looked so wacked...

djsmiley2k

@AndyK she always does tho, that's the weird thing

Andy K

@djsmiley2k if it is her natural behavior, chance that she is wacko , is very real

Burgi

12:47 PM

bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-44846477

bertieb

1:04 PM

2 days ago, by bertieb

@allquixotic bCompetentAI = false; (instead of true) ?

Burgi

ah i was away, i didn't see your message!

djsmiley2k

OVH y u email me in french?

Chère cliente, cher client,

Ce message concerne la gestion de vos instances Public Cloud.

Nous vous invitons à le lire attentivement.

Burgi

@djsmiley2k Hold my beer, I got this...

djsmiley2k

lol

Burgi

coffs

> Dear English kaaaanighet

> Our recent victory at your national sport has once and for all proven that your mother smells of elderberries and that your father was a hamster

> Thank you for custom

i missed out the bits where they blow cigarette smoke in your face

bertieb

1:16 PM

@Burgi I was just quoting because it saved retyping :D

djsmiley2k

xD

Yawn

this first day of this course is largely this guy just talking at us >_<

Psycrow

1:34 PM

Quick question that probably doesn't need a full post: my planned office setup has 3 monitors connected to a laptop dock. There's also going to be a desktop pc in there, would I be able to use a usb switch to swap the dock (and therefore the monitors and peripherals) between the laptop and pc?

Journeyman Geek

Probably not

Psycrow

Or would I see serious performance issues? Never had to use a dock like this before but seems like I'm sending a lot of data through a single connection

Journeyman Geek

USB c or thunderbolt have a lot of bandwidth. I don't think you can just switch tho

Psycrow

Shame, would have saved me a lot of extra cables and manually switching the monitor inputs back and forth

Burgi

@Psycrow are you talking about some sort of KVM?

allquixotic

1:45 PM

you can daisy chain DisplayPort 1.2 (up to a certain maxium combined pixels per second) with up to 3 monitors

they sell docks like that if all your monitors are DisplayPort 1.2 with MST support as well as your desktop and laptop

they're not cheap though

amazon.com/gp/product/B01MS7F0V4

definitely works with 3x 1080p60 as I have that myself. won't work with all 4k60 probably

pretty sure DP 1.2 with MST is the only way to do it without having a giant mass of cables

MonitorA -> MonitorB, MonitorB -> MonitorC, MonitorC -> hub, hub -> laptop, hub -> desktop

that's 5 cables

:45669492 you would if the monitor only has one output

(to the computer)

Bob

I misread :P

Psycrow

Can't find any MST supported monitors in my price range unfortunately, DP but no MST

allquixotic

I should have used the Gstreamer pipeline syntax

monitorDisplayPortSrc name=monitor1 ! mstpay ! monitorDisplayPortSrc name=monitor2 ! mstpay ! monitorDisplayPortSrc name=monitor3 . monitor3 ! displayPortMux ! displayPortSink name=laptop. monitor3 ! displayPortMux ! displayPortSink name=desktop

Psycrow

2:09 PM

Out of curiosity, what wouldn't work about having the dock cable plugged into a switch? It makes sense in my head but I don't have a lot of experience with hardware connectivity

allquixotic

@Psycrow if you don't use MST, you'll need a KVM switch that supports 3 monitors, which are also ridiculously expensive

monitor1 -> switch
monitor2 -> switch
monitor3 -> switch
switch -> laptop
switch -> desktop

that arrangement generally runs about $200-$300 for the switch even for old VGA or DVI

and it's even worse because you can't carry all the data for all 3 monitors over one cable without using MST, so you'd have to have 3 cables going to each computer

the cabling alone would cost over $100 USD

Psycrow

So this is the dock I was going to use: Dell 452-BBOO USB 3.0 Ultra HD Triple Video Docking Station amazon.co.uk/dp/B00O0M46KO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_xFktBb15WJ42N

That should let me connect either my pc or laptop to the three monitors, yeah?

Anyway, it's no matter, I'll just double up on cables as my monitors can do DP and HDMI, thanks for the help 👍

allquixotic

@Psycrow sure, but it won't let you connect both and switch out with a button/knob

you'd have to disconnect and connect each time

Psycrow

So I couldn't plug the dock into a switch and the switch into the pc and the laptop?

Ah well, I'll just have to reconnect each time if necessary, just trying to cut down on messing around with cables

XKCD

2:33 PM

P.S. We're going to the beach this weekend, so I'm attaching my preregistration forms for that trip now, before we find out whether it produces any interesting results.

Burgi

meh

RegularGDPR

@allquixotic My suspicion there is poor contact between the CPU and heatsink. Pounding on it fixing the issue is consistent with that as well.

djsmiley2k

@Psycrow 2 of them, and something else to switch between them...

Burgi

2:57 PM

ooh apparently it is prime day

rahuldottech

@Burgi here too!

I ordered a Mi Band 2

rahuldottech

3:16 PM

Nothing else is really very great.

djsmiley2k

The glue melted holding the corsair letters on my keyboard

I just cleaned it and the R's wiped off :O

oh and teh A

CO S I

rahuldottech

@djsmiley2k what melted? The glue or the letters?

djsmiley2k

The glue

Andy K

3:33 PM

cya

djsmiley2k

4:17 PM

I have a Antec 3 speed fan in the top of my case

however sometimes it comes to a complete stop :O

looks like it's having... issues :/

wtf kinda fan is 14cm a side?

oh duur 140mm

I need to check what connector it's on too

Journeyman Geek

I have a question on checking fan sizes ;p

djsmiley2k

4:34 PM

:D

now somethings making horrible bearing soudns D:

djsmiley2k

5:20 PM

Canadian Luke

Is that a dedicated Windows Shop button?

bwDraco

@djsmiley2k You may want to replace that with an NF-A14. If you need more speed, industrial variants are available at 2000 and 3000 rpm, albeit at substantially higher noise levels.

allquixotic

@djsmiley2k oh lawdy, you've summoned the fan expert ;) it's almost like you just said "my $15 wired headphones from 1998 just broke" to me

djsmiley2k

bit late, already ordered some

bwDraco

What did you get?

djsmiley2k

5:30 PM

@bwDraco i want whisper quiet... lets see how much one of those is

4 pin header btw

bwDraco

$22 a pop.

Get the PWM version. That's what I have in my desktop.

djsmiley2k

£20, argh no

thats twice what i just paid

if this fan is terrible and makes me kill mysel,f then i'll concider blowing£20 on a fan

amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01J76IYL4/…

hmmm no one box?

bwDraco

Hmm... fluid dynamic (hydrodynamic) bearing, but otherwise looks rather generic. Should be a reasonably good performer, though.

The legacy Noctua 140mm design is available with a reduced accessory kit as the NF-P14s redux.

djsmiley2k

amazon.co.uk/Noctua-4-Pin-PWM-Controlled-Quiet/dp/B00KF7O58G/…

This @bwDraco?

bwDraco

Yup.

djsmiley2k

5:36 PM

k, price is more like it

wtf

style pmw or pwm ;~D

bwDraco

Must be an error on Amazon's part.

Noctua's bearing is essentially a hydrodynamic bearing, but has a magnet to keep it centered and stabilized as the fan spins up to avoid the problem where the lack of oil pressure at startup can cause added friction and therefore reduced bearing life.

djsmiley2k

there's two suplliers

so i think that's why ;D

Ok, order swapped.

This best be good :P

I don't go through a lot o fans, but they don't last as long as I think they should :(

@allquixotic actually.... they did

:D

i've had that pair so long, the plastic on the earbud went brittle, cracked and it's fallen apart

which reminds me I need to look in the ox of electronics for another pair

bwDraco

FWIW, Noctua fans generally have a wide PWM adjustment range so you can turn them down to about 20%. (The NF-A14 PWM fans in my machine are auto-detected by the UEFI firmware to have a minimum of 19%.)

They actually put a substantial amount of work into making a custom PWM control chip that doesn't make ticking or buzzing noises at various speeds: noctua.at/en/ne_fd1_pwm_ic

Notice how fans tend to make a ticking noise from the motor at low speeds? The NE-FD1 eliminates this problem.

All of my Noctua fans have dead-silent motors with absolutely none of these sorts of ticking or clicking noises even as it spins up.

rahuldottech

5:52 PM

Hardware dudes: please take a look at amazon.in/SanDisk-120GB-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B01F9G414U/…

It's massively discounted, should I get my first SSD?

bwDraco

@rahuldottech I do not recommend the SanDisk SSD PLUS.

rahuldottech

@bwDraco Why not

bwDraco

(the 5V fans uses a variant of Noctua's driver chip called NE-FD3, and there is a 24V AEC-Q100 qualified version called NE-FD4 for use in automotive applications)

@rahuldottech It's among the worst name-brand SSDs out there.

rahuldottech

@bwDraco WD green? amazon.in/Green-120GB-Internal-Solid-WDS120G1G0A/dp/B01M8HPL6Q/…

bwDraco

For light workloads, it's probably fine, but it has worse endurance than most drives and will massively slow down under sustained load.

@rahuldottech I don't think that's much better.

rahuldottech

5:55 PM

@bwDraco sigh

bwDraco

May 30 '17 at 1:44, by bwDraco

...and yes, the SanDisk SSD PLUS is crap. TweakTown's review is scathing.

rahuldottech

@bwDraco Kingston? amazon.in/Kingston-SSDNow-120GB-SA400S37-120G/dp/B01N6JQS8C/…

bwDraco

Not familiar with that model, but that's also what we call DRAMless.

No on-board RAM, which hurts endurance and greatly limits random I/O performance.

What's your budget?

rahuldottech

@bwDraco I don't need anything with exceptional performance

@bwDraco INR 2600, USD 40 max

bwDraco

I think the A400 is an okay basic SSD, though. It should be better than that SanDisk piece of crap.

rahuldottech

5:59 PM

> The SSD experience that the UV400 offers is what you would expect from a value SSD. It is an order of magnitude better than any mechanical HDD, but not on the level of say a HyperX Savage. This is offset by lower cost which is the proposition of any value-oriented SSD on the market. We feel that Kingston's UV400 480GB SSD is a decent performer, and an overall great value, especially when purchased as an upgrade bundle. Kingston's UV400 480GB SATA III SSD is TweakTown recommended.

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7943/kingston-ssdnow-uv400-480gb-sata-iii-ssd-review/index11.html

@bwDraco

Think I'll go for it

bwDraco

The UV400 is not the same as the A400. The UV400 is a small step up.

rahuldottech

It's gotta be better than my failing hybrid SSHD

@bwDraco Ah. Well, UV400 is within my budget

So I'll get one?

bwDraco

The UV400 is not a DRAMless drive and is generally considered a solid performer, even if not as fast as, say, the Samsung SSD 860 EVO.

The A400 is also variable BOM, meaning the parts may change over time.

rahuldottech

@bwDraco So I'm going for the UV400

Thanks for all your help

bwDraco

Hmm. The UV400 is variable BOM, too.

What is a constant on that drive, though, is the four-channel Marvell 88SS1074 controller.

The UV400 is an older model with planar TLC NAND which has technically been replaced with the A400, but it's a better performer because the UV400 has a DRAM buffer. The A400 does not.

The UV400 remains available in limited quantities. It's only a matter of time before it's discontinued.

So, you've made a good choice.

rahuldottech

6:12 PM

@bwDraco :)

djsmiley2k

6:32 PM

amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007ZWLRSU/…

Woprks for me

tho i don't perticular drive it hard at all

djsmiley2k

6:43 PM

Designed for rugged use with reinforced rubber guards, easy grip handles and a spill resistant keyboard

amazon.co.uk/dp/B073Q44S56/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_.BotBbE4X99DN

hmmm

errr

bwDraco

tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supplies-101,4193-18.html

> during the start-up phase and until the lubricant is pumped all the way up to the bearing's top, there might be increased friction, meaning that these fans aren't suitable for applications involving lots of starts and stops (in PSUs featuring a semi-passive mode).

I might talk about this in a bit more detail on Matrix chat.

Burgi

7:28 PM

omfg, i googled "millennium falcon cargo capacity" and google oneboxes it!

Journeyman Geek

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So this came up

Might be a good thing

djsmiley2k

7:47 PM

Hahahaha

pixelastic.github.io/pokemonorbigdata

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek are you applying?

Canadian Luke

The feeling when you are doing your networking upgrades at work... And find NONE of the equipment was plugged into the battery backup:

-.-

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi if there's an opening maybe?

No idea if they're reorganising the current team(s) of CMs

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek So tempted to say 'Maybe take a look at the mess which is how SE plans stuff, and fix that?'

Burgi

@djsmiley2k lol

Journeyman Geek

7:52 PM

@djsmiley2k heh, I'm refraining from posting an answer till I get more sleep ;)

djsmiley2k

Clearly they don't know what a well thought out plan looks like.

If they did, they'd know that posting something asking for comments to be in by the time it's essentially posted, with the fact they won't even be here to see them...

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k if you can give some constructive critique with a few examples - sure

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek I'm too meh really

but the themes thing is a huge one

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k and that's part of the problem they need to face

mehness

djsmiley2k

the changes to the rules etc, with a 'oh and we'll setup an email address and form for this at some poiunt in the future'.

- Themes being released, and said person isn't around to even look at comments, and comments are required to be in before the date the thing was even posted.

- Changes to the rules re: GDPR and such, with notes along the lines of "We'll setup a mailing address, or email box with a form at some point in the future, maybe".

Journeyman Geek

7:55 PM

@djsmiley2k see...

I don't work at SE ;p

djsmiley2k

- The constant ignoring of chat

Journeyman Geek

hah

djsmiley2k

I know that one will never change

the only time it doesn't get ignored, is when people are being bad.

The fact it IS ignored, means people are essentially being good...