This Is Fine

12:02 AM

It's not insurmountable but it's extremely geared towards preserving itself, especially in light of the Supreme Court continuing to back it up

Tim Stone

12:13 AM

Wow. Sen. Lamar Alexander — chair of the Senate's health committee — just eviscerated the DOJ's ACA brief. (My story on the brief: https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/obamacare-trump-aca-individual-mandate-preexisting-condition?utm_term=.dyNxNBWq3#.phy81DMLA)

Tweeted by chrisgeidner on June 13, 2018 at 12:12 AM

quartata

12:35 AM

why is #TrumpKimSummit promoted

GodEmperorDune

1:03 AM

@TimStone wow, lamar alexander

Tim Stone

1:20 AM

@quartata That's Twitter diplomacy 😎

@GodEmperorDune The individual mandate was easy enough to attack because it was a tax but directly telling sick people to get bent is still quite unpopular

What does God look like? Researchers at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill found that Americans generally think God looks like a young, Caucasian man. https://nbcnews.to/2sO3smH

Tweeted by NBCNews on June 12, 2018 at 11:19 PM

Okay, the latter part doesn't surprise me but why does everyone think he's young? 🤔

quartata

i honestly thought that was a picture of alex jones. i should actually do that

RedRiderX

1:55 AM

Vox Pop Labs just put out their findings from the CBC Vote Compass for the 2018 Ontario Election

I've always found their polling stuff very interesting. They really have a different approach to it.

GodEmperorDune

no one on the waluigi crimes?

quartata

posted twice in the bridge

GodEmperorDune

my faith is restored

The process used to strip someone of US citizenship typically was rare and applied mostly to war criminals who lied on immigration paperwork. A new federal office aims to change that. http://apne.ws/NWuM3gA

Tweeted by AP on June 12, 2018 at 2:30 AM

gone again as we target people who messed up their papers

Tim Stone

3:14 AM

Dems PICK-UP a state Senate district in Wisconsin! Democrat Caleb Frostman wins by 3% in #SD1, a district Trump had carried by 17%. This is WI Dems' 2nd Senate pick-up *this year.* Remember: Scott Walker had refusing to call a special election here until courts compelled him to.

Tweeted by Taniel on June 13, 2018 at 2:32 AM

Also Steve King was being trash again, shocker

It’s so disturbing & depressing how a sitting US congressman can tweet out neo-Nazi propaganda & it’s not a national scandal & none of his colleagues are calling for him to resign. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steve-king-white-nationalist-neo-nazi-retweet_us_5b200eaee4b0adfb826e8e40

Tweeted by letsgomathias on June 13, 2018 at 3:11 AM

Mark Sanford trailing in the SC Republican primary after Trump trashed him

Oh that's nice Twitter, a promoted QAnon tweet 🙄

Unionhawk

3:41 AM

they'll take anyone's money

Tim Stone

ಠ_ಠ

Amazon and Comcast explored the idea of teaming up on a Fox bid, splitting the assets, @shalini reports. Shows that the media appetite for tech companies is there. Apple, too. When will they pull the trigger? https://www.wsj.com/articles/green-light-for-at-t-deal-sets-up-comcasts-fox-bid-merger-frenzy-1528840347 via @WSJ

Tweeted by asharma on June 12, 2018 at 11:34 PM

Unionhawk

A father, veteran, and anarchist walks into a city council meeting https://t.co/707N1DBHcL

Tweeted by dsa_lsc on June 13, 2018 at 2:44 AM

his whole segment minus that bit

for some reason

that guy fuckin rules

quartata

lmao

Tim Stone

4:05 AM

Startup Clarifai also worked on the Pentagon's Maven AI project https://www.wired.com/story/startup-working-on-contentious-pentagon-ai-project-was-hacked It got hacked. Ex-employee's lawsuit alleges she was wrongfully dismissed for arguing the company should disclose a hack to DoD.

Tweeted by tsimonite on June 13, 2018 at 1:32 AM

Yeah that's normally a good idea since they'll, you know, probably find out

Tim Stone

4:20 AM

Scoop: A federal agent questioned @AliWatkins about her sources, and he had detailed records of her travel. He’s now being investigated, after we inquired about his actions. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/customs-and-border-protection-examining-agents-questioning-of-national-security-reporter/2018/06/12/05dac696-6e74-11e8-afd5-778aca903bbe_story.html?utm_term=.3f73191435ef by me, @mattzap, and @jackgillum

Tweeted by shaneharris on June 13, 2018 at 12:55 AM

wtf?

GodEmperorDune

5:14 AM

@Unionhawk `awww, the sup bootlickers was the best part

@TimStone the dude working for DHS is literally named rambo

Tim Stone

It's just so weird

GodEmperorDune

extremely weird

Tim Stone

5:48 AM

GOP Maine governor threatens not to certify election results http://hill.cm/vxFwSfU

Tweeted by thehill on June 13, 2018 at 5:31 AM

Literally pick him up and throw him in the trash, Maine. Just walk up and toss him in there

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone you can't spell certify without c, as in get in the sea

Tim Stone

6:12 AM

hue

Nzall

7:16 AM

@TimStone I want to see that...

Kevin van der Velden

9:33 AM

@Unionhawk pro taxes + anarchist = ???

Mad Scientist

10:32 AM

Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!

Tweeted by realDonaldTrump on June 13, 2018 at 9:56 AM

Before taking office people were assuming that we were going to War with North Korea. President Obama said that North Korea was our biggest and most dangerous problem. No longer - sleep well tonight!

Tweeted by realDonaldTrump on June 13, 2018 at 10:01 AM

He really believes he just solved North Korea

Tim Stone

Since we all have to act like he did so he doesn't start a nuclear war out of spite maybe it'll all work out...we'll all end up with heart conditions, but hey

~Optimism~

Tim Stone

10:45 AM

Actually my favourite part about this is that I'd like to imagine he's going to walk back in and relentlessly make fun of Kushner for not having brought peace to the Middle East yet

Mad Scientist

11:11 AM

We save a fortune by not doing war games, as long as we are negotiating in good faith - which both sides are!

Tweeted by realDonaldTrump on June 13, 2018 at 11:10 AM

I shouldn't be surprised, but I didn't expect Trump to be this delusional on this topic.

Wipqozn

@TimStone What a shitty human being

I really wish Canada would introduce rank ballots

Like I'dm rather a proportional system by far

but ranked ballots would be a nice backup to stop the split the vote nonsense that always splits the left vote

ToxicFrog

12:08 PM

I prefer approval voting but frankly anything but IRV would be an unambiguous improvement over what we have now

And I'm still very cross with the Liberals for punting on voting reform

Unionhawk

@KevinvanderVelden pro taking Jeff Bezos' money

one might argue that real anarchist praxis would be just stealing it but

Tim Stone

12:25 PM

Maybe most important one yet: EPA chief Scott Pruitt tapped aide, donors to help wife land job at conservative group. By @eilperin @jdawsey1 @brady_dennis @ShawnBoburg https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/epa-chief-scott-pruitt-tapped-aide-donors-to-help-wife-land-job-at-conservative-group/2018/06/13/f54c87fa-6db1-11e8-afd5-778aca903bbe_story.html?utm_term=.e686a67ed158&wpisrc=al_news__alert-national&wpmk=1

Tweeted by PostRoz on June 13, 2018 at 12:18 PM

Okay first off how much free time does his wife have and where can I get some

Congratulations to Corey Stewart for his great victory for Senator from Virginia. Now he runs against a total stiff, Tim Kaine, who is weak on crime and borders, and wants to raise your taxes through the roof. Don’t underestimate Corey, a major chance of winning!

Tweeted by realDonaldTrump on June 13, 2018 at 9:55 AM

Ah yes, great victory for the checks notes oh

Kevin van der Velden

@Unionhawk ooh, I am also in favour of that, I have a bank account number to send it to somewhere around here

Tim Stone

12:42 PM

@TimStone Corey Stewart: A thread of nothing positive

Kevin van der Velden

Giant report on sexual harassment in science is in, the numbers are horrific :(

Tim Stone

Feds label Fiat Chrysler, UAW as co-conspirators https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2018/06/12/feds-label-fiat-chrysler-uaw-co-conspirators/695076002/

Tweeted by emptywheel on June 13, 2018 at 12:42 PM

> Cohen telling friends he expects to be arrested soon

I mean yeah probably

Inspector General: Interior axed study on health of Appalachians living near mountaintop removal coal mining because "costs would exceed the benefits." Stopped after nearly half of $1.0 million had already been "wasted," IG says h/t: @ValerieVolco https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-interior-coal/us-interior-department-axed-health-study-on-coal-without-clear-reason-watchdog-idUSKBN1J82Z5

Tweeted by taykuy on June 13, 2018 at 12:45 PM

Brothel owner defeats incumbent in GOP primary: http://hill.cm/JtFszx6

Tweeted by thehill on June 13, 2018 at 12:53 PM

rubs temples

Roger Stone associate and also a reality TV star 🙄

Tim Stone

1:28 PM

You know what's better than nuclear war and a general trade war?

Oil prices are too high, OPEC is at it again. Not good!

Tweeted by realDonaldTrump on June 13, 2018 at 11:52 AM

It's a gas war, bringing back the 70's, aw yeah

Mad Scientist

So funny to watch the Fake News, especially NBC and CNN. They are fighting hard to downplay the deal with North Korea. 500 days ago they would have “begged” for this deal-looked like war would break out. Our Country’s biggest enemy is the Fake News so easily promulgated by fools!

Tweeted by realDonaldTrump on June 13, 2018 at 1:30 PM

there is no deal

there's a document with a bunch of vague promises to do something in the future

Tim Stone

Yeah but if you just act like there is and believe hard enough!

He's just really, really dumb and we will be lucky to survive

mm let me wait for a second confirmation of that

Mad Scientist

1:57 PM

SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS THANKED DENNIS RODMAN ON BEHALF OF TRUMP FOR BEING ‘HELPFUL’ WITH NORTH KOREA

this fucking timeline

fredley

Did we decide on a status for low effort political memes?

@MadScientist And thank you Pot Coin™!

Mad Scientist

why is my comment pinned?

fredley

@MadScientist The rules say nothing about pins

@TimStone God looks like Elon Musk?

Tim Stone

2:13 PM

Former Obama staffer says lawmakers could learn political lessons from soccer http://hill.cm/c6rr01z

Tweeted by thehill on June 13, 2018 at 2:13 PM

NOT FIFA, NOT FIFA waves arms

fredley

BLATTER

Fluttershy

Stormy Daniels is coming to a local strip club this weekend. I feel like that's a terrible, terrible idea.

Yuuki

@TimStone Well, good thing is the aide said that lawmakers could learn from soccer players and not soccer administrators.

GodEmperorDune

2:44 PM

May 18 at 23:20, by Ash

Alright, here's the deal. I've updated the room description as follows: "The news discussion offshoot of the Bridge. Stars reserved for news items. Discussion should primarily be about news topics." Please attempt to follow this thing - this is not your Twitter playground, this is not for every Hot Take (TM) or well crafted dunk or "haha someone said a stupid".

@Fluttershy she still has to earn her living and was going to strip anyway, now she can charge more because she's more famous

fredley

@GodEmperorDune :(

GodEmperorDune

@fredley yeah maybe we should start a side room just for dunks

Mad Scientist

Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen likely to cooperate as his attorneys leave case, sources say

puzzlepiece87

2:59 PM

@TimStone "nearly half of $1.0 million" Twitter lower the character count again. Seriously, is "~$0.5M" so hard?

@fredley "stars reserved for news items", as has been the case forever.

@MadScientist Good, sing sing sing please.

Yuuki

On the one hand, @fredley is probably pointing out "pins !== stars". But on the other hand, pins still use a star icon.

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki Ah okay, that's my mistake.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Sorry to be wrong here, @fredley

Fluttershy

@GodEmperorDune I live in a deeply red state. One that doesn't require a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune Or just put dunks in the Bridge if we're not putting them here.

I really don't think we should add a third room.

GodEmperorDune

3:16 PM

@Fluttershy :/

@Yuuki we have many rooms, bridge and TIF are just the main ones

(and i usually post any gaming related dunks in bridge)

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune Those many rooms are all game-specific ones.

GodEmperorDune

true, i suppose we will have to take the dunks to another venue

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki House of Many Rooms

Yuuki

My position is thus: either put dunks/memes in the Bridge or just ban them altogether. I don't support endless partitioning of "things we don't want here".

GodEmperorDune

maybe i need to set up an alternate twitter account for just the dunks

Tim Stone

3:23 PM

Uh oh, Laura Ingraham turning on Pruitt

The Latest: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says the U.S. wants North Korea to take major nuclear disarmament steps within the next two years. http://apne.ws/jzSbhFw

Tweeted by AP on June 13, 2018 at 3:23 PM

"Before the next election please", lol

GodEmperorDune

just in time for the 2020 elections

lol

like how they asked the court not to decide the "destroy obamacare" lawsuit until 2019

user15026

Augh, Lindsay Shepherd you need to like...stop. (She's suing Laurier now)nationalpost.com/news/canada/…

quartata

@Yuuki pinning something also stars it. even after you unpin it, it will still have your star on it (which incidentally allows ROs to star their own messages)

Yuuki

@quartata I'm also like 60-70% certain the entire thing was a joke.

@fredley is almost certainly aware of that functionality as I'm pretty sure he's done that at least once before.

quartata

wellll as long as we're debating the semantics

fredley

3:44 PM

Maybe @fredley was trolling the star list

Yuuki

What would you know about @fredley?

Leave this discussion to us subject-matter experts.

fredley

I don't know, when this room was initially created to get depressing Trump/Brexit material out of Bridge, but then became news only.

I still feel like I need a place to shitpost

Yuuki

If it were completely up to me, I'd be fine with putting it in the Bridge.

fredley

Nah I do see the reason to get it out

The problem is that we now have one room that is nice, one room that is depressing. What I need is a room that is depressing and funny.

But, like, shitpost-tier funny

Ronan

@fredley So not funny at all

Actually I think depressing and unfunny could describe either room

user15026

3:49 PM

Honestly shit post style humor just like exponentially adds to my general depressed state

Unionhawk

I mean once you get past the existential horror of our current moment, it's pretty funny to think of how we got here

But like, that first part

fredley

@Ash Hmm, It probably does for me too. But I guess it's sort of a balm to the general fuckedness of everything if you can at least make stupid memes about it.

@Unionhawk My problem is that this room is just the first part

Unionhawk

Listen I'm trying to post red victories whenever I can but it's hard when like, Seattle City Council is a group of 7 cowards, a socialist alternative member, and one other councilmember

fredley

red as in GOP red?

Unionhawk

red as in the color associated with the left in every other country

Yuuki

3:52 PM

@Uni's just having a grand old time.

Unionhawk

and throughout history

fredley

Come On You Reds - Manchester United & Status Quo

►

Yuuki

When you think about it, I guess the invention/discovery of fire would be considered a progressive/leftist move.

fredley

@Yuuki God damn it I want to star this

GodEmperorDune

@fredley i guess we gotta make a slack or discord for just memes and crossposting

puzzlepiece87

3:59 PM

@Yuuki Niiiice.

Unionhawk

@fredley I mean in socialist victories, one of our members canvassed a cat twitter.com/nobodystabbedme/status/1006327018798141440

this kentucky medicaid stuff is just, fun

Yuuki

@Unionhawk Tacking on to the replies, calicos actually can be male.

It's just very very rare and I think they're sterile.

Unionhawk

We really should have been on top of when this was rolling out, but at least we have it figured out I think

We originally scheduled a canvassing launch in another cincinnati neighborhood this weekend, but we got it shifted to kentucky with the medicaid materials

Yuuki

@Unionhawk Yeah, I really do think you guys need to have a firmer understanding of feline genetics.

fredley

@Unionhawk like this?

Unionhawk

4:11 PM

PHILLY DA HAS WITHDRAWN THE CHARGES AGAINST THE WOMAN ARRESTED AT PRIDE FOR BURNING A BLUE LIVES MATTER FLAG

oh the felony charges and instead is moving forward on misdemeanor posession of an instrument of a crime and misdemeanor reckless endangerment

medium.com/philadelphia-justice/…

Unionhawk

4:23 PM

lol that video is getting used by various other chapters

At least we already have canvassing maps for where we're looking to go

fredley

4:56 PM

Meanwhile, in the house of ~~gammon~~ commons:

Someone's broke Ken Clarke https://t.co/6bofiFJD42

Tweeted by Thatcherite4 on June 13, 2018 at 8:54 AM

GodEmperorDune

@fredley guess EU is keeping his ability to speak

Fluttershy

@Ash Wait, she's suing because she got fired for showing a video about gender neutral pronouns? Or did I read this wrong?

Yuuki

5:24 PM

As if we weren’t already living in bizarro-verse.

GodEmperorDune

@Fluttershy it was a debate with jordan peterson about gender neutral pronouns being bad

quartata

who, speaking of which, has reached heretofore unexplored levels of Assholery

GodEmperorDune

not like a "here are what gender neutral pronouns are and how they work"

@quartata pretty much this

quartata

one sec trying to find the thread

GodEmperorDune

he likes to take inflammatory stances, then fundraise from the inevitable outrage

Tim Stone

5:32 PM

Wow. Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning https://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2018/06/283183.htm

Tweeted by borzou on June 13, 2018 at 5:22 PM

quartata

fuck, my TL blows

I can't find this thread

user15026

@Fluttershy She didn't get fired though (was my understanding), and she got an apology for everything

quartata

I swore Ash was the one who retweeted it, it was about a patient Peterson "treated" who was date-raped multiple times

maybe deleted? I can't be going crazy over here

it was in his book

blah, whatever. it's not much of a surprise anyways

tl;dr he didn't believe her, basically made fun of it in his book, "but what about the men falsely accused hurrrr," lobster.avi

GodEmperorDune

House Republicans propose financial penalties for states that block offshore drilling https://wapo.st/2sUCJF7

Tweeted by postgreen on June 13, 2018 at 5:38 PM

quartata

Extremely Normal

GodEmperorDune

5:39 PM

love to literally target coastal elitists

also kind of ridiculous for republicans to whine about govt revenues being low when they literally passed a tax cut that does the same

quartata

@fredley use Twitter, that's what I do

ice-t understands this concept very well

GodEmperorDune

1/ Today @abcnews reported that Michael Cohen is likely to cooperate with federal prosecutors in Manhattan. He has reportedly fired his defense attorneys. https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-cooperate-attorneys-leave-case/story?id=55861988

Tweeted by renato_mariotti on June 13, 2018 at 2:42 PM in reply to renato_mariotti

russia investigation drama continues

quartata

cohen flipped before manafort, lmao

GodEmperorDune

manafort owes money to a lot more dangerous people that cohen, iirc

Yuuki

Also, IIRC, Cohen's ties are mostly US-based?

Fluttershy

5:50 PM

@GodEmperorDune Ohhhhhhh

GodEmperorDune

The College Board, the non-profit that administers Advanced Placement classes, has made a decision to remove pre-colonial civilizations from the curriculum of AP world history courses. https://www.colorlines.com/articles/teachers-fight-keep-pre-colonial-world-history-ap-course

Tweeted by Colorlines on June 12, 2018 at 5:12 PM

dammit i thought i wouldn't have to deal with them after getting out of school

quartata

to be fair, AP world has always sucked

GodEmperorDune

true dat, but i figured since its about the world, it would be about the world instead of just europe and the US

also convenient to cut off all the times that europe and the US were not dominant

puzzlepiece87

6:12 PM

@GodEmperorDune Very much so.

@quartata I didn't take AP world. Did it have the Mongolian empire or the Ottoman empire previously?

Yuuki

@puzzlepiece87 From my memories of AP World, not really.

I think the extent of coverage on the Ottoman Empire was mentioning (really just name-dropping) Suleiman the Great.

And the Mongolian Empire mostly centered around them invading and possibly causing the bubonic plague and not really the power structures they left behind and the significant influence they had throughout Eurasia.

I mean, there's some sense in their justification that "10,000 years of history is too much for a single AP course" but the better solution would be to create an AP Colonial History course/exam rather than cut out of significant parts of AP World History.

puzzlepiece87

Crazy that the world's biggest geographic empire is barely covered and the half of the Roman Empire that survived the "Dark Ages" (Europe-centrism again ahoy) is given the same treatment.

Yuuki

@puzzlepiece87 Not just that it's barely covered but also that the coverage that exists is centered entirely around their effects on Europe.

puzzlepiece87

6:27 PM

@Yuuki The dumbest.

GodEmperorDune

when i took it there was some mention of african tribes and how they were awesome way back in the day

but even then it was mostly eurocentric

if the argument is that "world history" is too broad then maybe split it into different courses, none with the name "world"

puzzlepiece87

@GodEmperorDune That would be better prep for college anyway.

Tim Stone

@GodEmperorDune I propose they can kiss my ass

Tim Stone

6:52 PM

🚨 PA Senate has passed a redistricting reform bill that was dramatically changed to include a proposal to create districts for state appellate courts, including Supreme Court. Democrats call it a poison pill; activists pulled support & lobbied against. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/state/pennsylvania-senate-gerrymandering-redistricting-reform-bill-sb22-judicial-district-20180613.html

Tweeted by Elaijuh on June 13, 2018 at 6:35 PM in reply to Elaijuh

God damnit, I can only go to so many chambers and kick everyone square in the shins at once

Senate intelligence aide James Wolfe pleads not guilty to lying to FBI in federal leak probe, attorney Preston Burton says it is "highly likely" defense will seek gag order in case citing "glib remarks" by Trump, DOJ officials suggesting he leaked classified information. https://twitter.com/ByLynhBui/status/1005159689984856065

Tweeted by hsu_spencer on June 13, 2018 at 6:50 PM

@TimStone (video statement)

GnomeSlice

In Sports

Tough situation

No easy answers I guess

Yuuki

@GnomeSlice Not-Breitbart source

quartata

fuck, I just got breitbart'd

GnomeSlice

Irrelevant also I tried a bunch of other sources and none of them had as comprehensive an article

Yeah like that one

Yuuki

What made Breitbart more comprehensive than other sources?

Unionhawk

7:09 PM

I wonder if Brietbart has an ideological horse in this race that they keep posting "trans people are winning at sports" again

I guess, you know

we will just never know

/shrug

who can say

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki @Unionhawk well said.

Unionhawk

Could it be possible that they're baiting their far right audience who want reasons to be mad at trans people existing again

The world, may never know for certain

quartata

""""'biological girls</html> bolded in the headline was enough for me to realize i had made a dreadful mistake

SaintWacko

@quartata Same

puzzlepiece87

Friends don't link friends to Breitbart or Milo.

Mad Scientist

7:21 PM

Breitbart lies, it's as simple as that. Even ignoring the extreme bias, they simply don't care about facts, which makes them entirely useless as a source

quartata

ok it's a hilarious coincidence that bombsfall tweeted this right after I typed that

wait, what if Uni is bombsfall

:thinking:

Unionhawk

No

I will be visiting his city in a couple months for a DSA conference

And I speedrun his game

Yuuki

I mean, there is an interesting question about gender division in modern competitive sports being an almost entirely binary interpretation of gender in conflict with a growing nuanced view of the gender spectrum.

quartata

i;m sorry, burden of proof is on you

i'm just asking questions here

Yuuki

And I agree that it's something that should be discussed.

quartata

7:25 PM

has anyone seen you in the same room with him, no, checkmate

Yuuki

But Breitbart should not be anyone's source of information in this discussion.

Unionhawk

@quartata not yet, is what I'm saying

quartata

we all know DSA has cloning technology

Yuuki

@quartata Is that what they mean by "copyleft"?

quartata

yes exactly

rms is in on it too

lizardpeople. lobster. please retweet

OK I was genuinely surprised to see that Musk beat Roseanne in the Meltdown May poll thing

quartata

7:43 PM

Strong New York Times editorial in favor of ranked-choice voting. The case is clear: - Higher turnout - More civility in campaigning - Better representation - More satisfied voters https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/09/opinion/ranked-choice-voting-maine-san-francisco.html

Tweeted by leedrutman on June 10, 2018 at 3:39 PM

hell yeah

Yuuki

@quartata woo multi-member districts

A lot of people talk alternative voting systems to fix our electoral mess, but there's significantly fewer discussions about alternative representational systems.

quartata

to be fair, that's harder to change

Unionhawk

toss 👏 the 👏 senate 👏 in 👏 the 👏 trash

👏

murgatroid99

as if that would actually improve anything

GnomeSlice

@Unionhawk everyone has an ideology

quartata

7:50 PM

did we do this yet?

DAVID NO

Tweeted by curaffairs on June 13, 2018 at 7:08 PM

GnomeSlice

Thats not really news

quartata

he writes for the new york times, hell yes it is

this is not a random person

well, he should be

but

GnomeSlice

Uhhhh

Yuuki

@GnomeSlice Is this the "but both sides" justification?

Unionhawk

@GnomeSlice That is a highly reductive point and you know what I mean.

GnomeSlice

7:56 PM

@Unionhawk no it's not, all news sites have bias they all report on stuff they like. Everyone knows brietbart is right wing just like everyone knows like CNN or whatever is left wing.

It's a non-point

Unionhawk

cnn is not a left wing publication, first of all

Yuuki

@GnomeSlice You're implying that CNN is therefore just as honest (or dishonest) as Breitbart.

GnomeSlice

That's not what was being discussed

He said 'hey almost like brietbart has an ideological horse in the race' well yeah so does every news outlet

The article appears to be correct I looked at a bunch of sources

Unionhawk

My point was Brietbart's entire purpose for publishing that article was to get people mad about trans people beating "biological girls" because that's who their audience is.

GnomeSlice

Some of them had interviews with other students and some talked about the petition, brietbart mentioned both so I posted that one

Unionhawk

7:57 PM

And that's who they are.

GnomeSlice

You guys are being willfully obtuse

They literally have a huge pride flag as the article header image

Yuuki

Part of me just wants to remove that rule on stars because it's apparent that nobody cares about it.

Unionhawk

Everyone has an ideology, sure, except their angle is based on this as some grand injustice against Real People

quartata

@Yuuki you're an RO, you can cancel the stars

GnomeSlice

Plus 'i don't like this news outlet' doesn't negate the news

Yuuki

7:59 PM

@quartata I'd really rather not have to do it as often as I do.

Unionhawk

It's deeper than not liking it

How the fuck are we the intentionally obtuse ones in this scenario

quartata

@GnomeSlice Sure it doesn't. But when a news outlet and the opinion writers that associate themselves with it consistently lie and say really dumb horrible shit, it's just not worth my time anymore

Yuuki

@GnomeSlice If we're being willfully obtuse, this is equally willfully obtuse.

You've just shortcutted all the "Breitbart is a lying organization of liars" to "you guys just don't like Breitbart".

GnomeSlice

Idgaf about brietbart I just wanted to post the best article about that

Unlike you guys I don't care where my news comes from as long as it's accurate

And if you think I don't double check shit before I post it then ???

Get over yourselves

Unionhawk

I think you posted an article whose content may indeed be a thing that happened but whose intent was to fuel hate.

Is what I think.

Whether the second was your intent or not, I don't really care and I'm assuming not

But that it was their intent, I think is plainly evident.

GnomeSlice

8:11 PM

It's just an article dude if I wanted to fuel hate I'd have posted the one on Milos site which is where I first read it

Plus I think we're all adult enough to read things without automatically absorbing the writers beliefs like come on man

Are you five

Unionhawk

That's like justifying the daily stormer as a source by saying "I mean I don't agree with it it's just an article" what

quartata

Giving it the time of day begins to normalize it.

Unionhawk

"look you have to admit this is a Real Problem with No Easy Solution"

puzzlepiece87

@Unionhawk That's what is always said when a Breitbart or Milo article is linked. I eventually got tired of it and just ignored. Being able to discern good information is an important prerequisite in having a good discussion.

Unionhawk

It's just a pair of bad faith publications operating in bad faith

puzzlepiece87

8:21 PM

Too much of the same discussion over and over again, without enough change for my tastes. "How do you know Trump is racist?", etc.

Unionhawk

And I will call it out every time. You don't get to just post clickbait designed to attract transphobes without getting called on it. Sorry.

quartata

JUST IN: Mueller requests 150 more blank subpoenas in Manafort case http://hill.cm/EucYqop

Tweeted by thehill on June 13, 2018 at 4:19 PM

puzzlepiece87

@Unionhawk Fully agreed, well deserved.

@quartata Holy crap.

quartata

it;s actually so good

puzzlepiece87

It really is

@quartata fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/…

That's gonna need updating baby

quartata

8:26 PM

The headline is a tad bit misleading since it's not for 150 witnesses

puzzlepiece87

And also maybe rescaling to allow for bigger bubbles

quartata

it's like 75

puzzlepiece87

Let's make it logarithmic and hope for the best!

@quartata I'm glad someone in power cares about this stuff.

Let's just make Mueller special prosecutor of all crimes for as long as he wants.

Unionhawk

@Unionhawk In fact, amendment: strike the last sentence. Absolutely not sorry.

GnomeSlice

Sorry guys, can't find any left wing news outlets reporting that story. Guess it's fake news right

Unionhawk

8:36 PM

That you find this story so important is frankly a little telling. Have a good day.

GnomeSlice

It's important because I wanted to discuss and you guys seem more interested in discussing my choice of hosting site

Which is frankly, retarded

Unionhawk

I'd reconsider the previous message before 2 minutes

Yuuki

@GnomeSlice If you cared about accuracy, you should probably not consider sources with a history of inaccuracy.

Unionhawk

Let's back up then, ok, fine. Why is it important that a trans person is winning at sports then

puzzlepiece87

Failing to address contentions that Breitbart regularly lies in their stories but instead focusing on a linked dog whistle story is definitely missing the big picture in favor of the little one.

Yuuki

8:41 PM

Also, this definitely isn't the first time we've talked about how Breitbart is a terrible source because they're lying liars who lie.

Tim Stone

Mark Leno is conceding. San Francisco's next mayor will be London Breed, a Black woman who grew up in public housing and is a full-throated YIMBY (https://medium.com/@LondonBreed/an-affordable-city-for-all-of-us-3ba5bb17c720) https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Mark-Leno-expected-to-concede-SF-mayor-s-race-12991190.php

Tweeted by MarketUrbanism on June 13, 2018 at 8:05 PM

Unionhawk

This isn't even the first time we've talked about the "trans person wins at sports" scenario, though that one was because he was forced to compete as a girl (idk what this specific arrangement was)

Yuuki

YIMBY -> "Yes In My Backyard"?

Unionhawk

Yeah

quartata

yes

Unionhawk

8:43 PM

I don't even remember what exactly they believe

Free market build more houses will solve it I think?

puzzlepiece87

@Unionhawk Unrelated to current discussion, which city was this video for? I can't hear well. NYC, CVille, or other?