Maid Café (メイド喫茶)

Hakase

11:02

@ASCII-only sounds like it's some aid for writing your own binary format

ASCII-only

@Hakase basically. IIRC you just specify what your object looks like and protobuf turns it into a tiny binary thing for you?

Hakase

I'm looking through developers.google.com/protocol-buffers/docs/csharptutorial and I don't completely get it without the resulting serialization

looking for an example

ASCII-only

@Hakase node module

Hakase

no i mean an example of what it serializes to

not the usage

I don't wanna run it

ASCII-only

@Hakase developers.google.com/protocol-buffers/docs/encoding

there are a bunch of small examples there

Hakase

11:10

so it automatically creates a binary serializer/deserializer for a given class?

ASCII-only

@Hakase auth0.com/blog/beating-json-performance-with-protobuf

@Hakase if you give it the spec for the class (i.e. types) (since JS doesn't have types, and protobuf is meant to be cross-language), yes

Hakase

I'm only thinking in terms of c#

I guess it's useful for not writing long serializing/deserializing methods

just decorate the class and its fields with attributes extensively once :p

so like 50% time saving?

but if you change the class and need to add another version support for compatibility...

maybe if you copypaste the class and denote that it's a version N with attributes... idk

I've seen games which have lived through a bunch of player and item class versions and they've got fairly complicated if-riddled loaders for old version support

meh

this is probably for networking mostly, not what I'm describing

in this case it sounds just fine

especially that speed boost in java

good thing I don't deal with java these days

but yea thanks for sharing, it's good to know

ASCII-only

alternatively: i wrote an insanely terrible binary serializer/deserializer (although it's in JS): pastebin.com/kqKnXHgi

@Hakase also: taisho uses C#?

僕の彼女

so react and stuffs like css successfully loads \o/

ASCII-only

@僕の彼女 ~~excuse me i'm going to sue you for using the name of an existing js library~~

@僕の彼女 please. you don't need react and stuffs

僕の彼女

11:23

@ASCII-only fite me

ASCII-only

:| not everyone runs their browser on a supercomputer, pls, you don't need react

僕の彼女

@ASCII-only why, react components provide heavy modularity

:'(

ASCII-only

use JS hacks

because clearly they're bettter

fun fact: i use JS hacks instead of JQuery/React

僕の彼女

also, I don't have to touch the DOM api if I use react. Because I hate that API with a passion

ASCII-only

@僕の彼女 which is why you abstract the DOM api out

僕の彼女

11:24

@ASCII-only who even uses jQuery anymore

ASCII-only

@僕の彼女 too many things still use jQuery, sadly

Including SE. why D: D: D:

僕の彼女

jQuery was a mistake

ASCII-only

unrelated: I recently started using C# again after way too long

C# 7.whateveristhelatest is so nice

Taisho

2

僕の彼女

#tags

Taisho

11:27

Uploaded (UTC): 16.11.2017 23:41:26 by (132581) Gao, tag: gintama
http://iqdb.org/?url=https://i.imgur.com/FhaOHVz.jpg | https://whatanime.ga/?url=https://i.imgur.com/FhaOHVz.jpg | https://www.google.com/searchbyimage?image_url=https://i.imgur.com/FhaOHVz.jpg | http://tineye.com/search?url=https://i.imgur.com/FhaOHVz.jpg | http://saucenao.com/search.php?url=https://i.imgur.com/FhaOHVz.jpg

僕の彼女

oh that show

ASCII-only

@Taisho why is there toilet paper on the end of this guy's sword

Hakase

@ASCII-only yes he's 100% a desktop c# app

ASCII-only

@Hakase +1 (Disclaimer: My imaginary internet vote may or may not be changed upon seeing Taisho's source)

Hakase

@僕の彼女 how about a Palm device of the same name?

@ASCII-only the multiplier will be -7

there's a runtime dll hot loading functionality

僕の彼女

11:32

@Hakase as in?

ASCII-only

@Hakase hot loading?

Hakase

#modules

Taisho

List of 2 loaded modules (name − build date):
CoreCommands − 12.01.2018 2:45:08
Potato − 12.01.2018 2:45:08

Hakase

:p

ASCII-only

dynamically loaded?

Hakase

11:32

the core functionality and image posting are actually dynamically loaded yes

ASCII-only

that is genius pls tell me your secret

or do you just loadassembly the dll

Hakase

exactly

it looks for *.dll in the modules folder and tries to load them all under the expected interface

but because I'm a master programmer, misunderstood inferred commands are handled by CoreCommands and rely on Potato being there

ASCII-only

:O

Hakase

and there were no more modules written after these 2

so it's entirely unneeded

ASCII-only

if you think hot loading is a bad thing don't click this

僕の彼女

11:34

ASCII-only

@Hakase ok if that's the only bad thing then it's fine. i was thinking more code style/overly complex things where you could do the same thing in 10x less code

Hakase

@僕の彼女 not a function of that namespace, but of string thogh

ASCII-only

@僕の彼女 s.data?

僕の彼女

@ASCII-only some jQuery fuckery

ASCII-only

what are you trying to do

僕の彼女

11:36

that happens everytime I load my ....bundle.js

ASCII-only

what do you mean by load

Hakase

@ASCII-only no no that's version 2.0

we're on 3.0 now :p

4.0 will get rid of runtime module loading

ASCII-only

@Hakase :|

please don't

僕の彼女

@ASCII-only umm... you might not wanna hear this, but to inject the bundle I'm just copy pastaing the bundle to console :P

Hakase

they're not used!

ASCII-only

11:37

that means i can't clone taisho and add random useless crap

Hakase

well ok

ASCII-only

@僕の彼女 rip your computer (fun fact: i do that sometimes)

Hakase

I didn't really think I would anyway, that's too much code review honestly

I'll just update it to work with the new api lib

ASCII-only

@Hakase protip: unit tests are your friend

僕の彼女

hehe, pasting the 700kb bundle into the console freezes it for a second as well

Hakase

11:38

@ASCII-only personal time is your friend

I'm working on a game these days and I can barely get 1 hour of progress daily

ASCII-only

@Hakase yeah i'm one of the idiots who work on random projects that have nothing to do with uni literally all day

Hakase

there's time and place for everything but I've been doing random shit for 7 years and now I want to see some results

so I'm reviewing my gamedev notes and old code and turning it into a playable prototype

the goal before was to entertain myself and learn something maybe

now it's to make something coz I've entertained myself and learned enough

ASCII-only

@Hakase i kinda want to work on a game, except 1. no art (yet), 2. i'd probably break anyone's existing projects if I joined one

Hakase

use free assets, but find a style you don't hate which is already hard enough

existing projects?

ASCII-only

@Hakase 0/10 free assets

Hakase

11:41

don't join, create one from scratch

ASCII-only

>_> <_< art is too hard

free assets are basically all terrible

all the good ones are $toomuch from RPG Maker

Hakase

it's super easy once you denounce yourself as an artist and come to terms with your ineptitude

ASCII-only

can't be bothered picking up my stylus and sitting here for hundreds of hours not programming

Hakase

don't

it's all a ruse to waste your time

just code in some rectangles

ASCII-only

@Hakase :|

Hakase

11:43

wanna see my prototype at its current stage? it's called Rectangles 2: Ractanglic Boogaloo

ASCII-only

the farthest I've ever gotten

Taisho

ASCII-only

@Hakase actually?

Hakase

of course not

there are some dudes at Gamedev.SE who made GORB - game of rotating blocks

and there's also the creator of some dungeon rpg with huge tile size

looks bad but hey it's their games and they're on steam

my shit isn't even on anything

ASCII-only

@Hakase looks like a ripoff of too many flash games

Hakase

11:45

yea it basically is

ASCII-only

like it looks identical

Hakase

I couldn't see myself enjoying playing a game like that, let alone making

but hey! it's on steam!

>.<

ASCII-only

fun fact: i'm one of the idiots that are compelled to finish those types of games whenever i see them

Hakase

weird for you

check out Into the Breach, you might love it

ASCII-only

I have it

I'll start playing it... one day

Strategy games are pretty low on my favorite genres

Hakase

11:48

you can save it at any point

ASCII-only

yeah but also i have too many things installed

i need to actually finish some of the things i have installed first

Hakase

I've got anime to watch, I've got manga to read and countless musicians to explore on bandcamp

ASCII-only

@Hakase i have this fancy vision for a game, just i'm stuck on the worldbuilding part (i.e. the part before everything.)

Hakase

there are also movies, cartoons, series

games aren't even on the list

@ASCII-only is it a story game or a gameplay game?

ASCII-only

well normally this is the only thing on the list for me

@Hakase both?

Hakase

11:51

what is the commercially successful game that looks like your idea the most

ASCII-only

hmm not sure actually

Hakase

Palm Tungsten

The Tungsten series was Palm, Inc.'s line of business-class Palm OS-based PDAs. == Details == The Tungsten series was introduced in October 2002, created as a "prosumer" line priced at $199 to $300 to compete with the popular Sony Clie and Windows Mobile PDAs. The first device in the line was the Tungsten T, making it the first Palm PDA to be labeled with a letter rather than a number and to run Palm OS 5. All of the Tungsten PDAs have a few attributes in common: 65,536 color LCD touch screen with a minimum 320 x 320 pixel resolution metal or metal-toned enclosure flip cover to protect the screen...

had that at school to use with some physics class thingamajig which measures temperature, pressure and I think radiation?

basically the teach said he doesn't get how this shit works and the installation instructions were like alien language to him

I figured it out in under 20 minutes, showed it to him, he won a grant or some stuff on a teachers conference for using something interesting and that was that

ASCII-only

@Hakase actually thinking about it, it's basically going to be just a fancy metroidvania (but only because of art reasons)

Hakase

this was in 2008 and it was very outdated by then too

ASCII-only

@Hakase i thought schools use TI calculators to do this?

Hakase

11:55

@ASCII-only Dead Cells?

Metroidvania remake? :p

Celeste?

(connection is choppy, we're getting messages out of orders here)

僕の彼女

@Hakase oic

Hakase

@ASCII-only this is probably in america and other cool countries

@ASCII-only I heavily recommend to spend a couple evenings and go through the entire steam catalogue via the Explore queue

ASCII-only

@Hakase i want it to be focused on an extensive crafting/magic system (also lore), not sure which metroidvanias do anything similar

Hakase

not only will you learn about what's out there, but you'll find many inspiration sources from similar games to what you wanna make

ASCII-only

@Hakase my inspiration is manga >_>

too many of them

Hakase

11:57

@ASCII-only we might be making the same ga-- scratch that :D

@ASCII-only not an impossible amount

it takes just 2-3 days of dedicated reviewing

ASCII-only

@Hakase *too many manga

Hakase

oh

well, not for story

I meant for game mechanics

and the art and everything else

coz you know, final product is like 20% of the initial vision

and you can get a better idea of what your game might realistically look like if you plan on finishing it in 4-6 months or 2-3 years

ASCII-only

@Hakase game mechanics = crafting/magic system though?

Hakase

or 7-10 years!

@ASCII-only game mechanics is anything except the text basically

ASCII-only

@Hakase *never-never

@Hakase yeah but since this is a bad idea, magic and crafting will probably be 99% of the mechanics

Hakase

12:00

(I'm entering my 8th year of on and off thinking about it and coding sometimes)

ASCII-only

@Hakase :| ok that is too long

Hakase

@ASCII-only uhh I meant game mechanics is "what you do" in a game

not what the world is about and what the characters say

ASCII-only

@Hakase yes. how crafting and magic work is part of that. i meant i'm intending to make it way too overcomplicated

Hakase

yea i haven't been actually coding and developing the mechanics with the intent to create a product by a certain date yet

@ASCII-only write it down and see how overcomplicated it is already :p

you might go through 8 iterations of rewriting and reassessing what you can actually realistically code and still have it be fun to play

ASCII-only

@Hakase probably faster for me to ~~write an interpreter for one of the magic systems~~ i don't think i should be revealing anything

Hakase

12:02

look at the most complicated systems out there, in any game genres, and think how much more/less complicated yours will be and if it's a good/bad/fun thing

僕の彼女

Error saving setting with name: consoleHistory, value length: 10980482. Error: Failed to set the 'consoleHistory' property on 'Storage': Setting the value of 'consoleHistory' exceeded the quota.

lol

Hakase

@ASCII-only you should start making it with the intent to release soon if you really want to find out what level of complexity you can handle

僕の彼女

also, loading already present and new dynamic message finally works after banging my head on the desk for like an hour

    parser = (node) => {
        if( node.classList && node.classList.contains('message') ) {
            this.setState(prevState => {
                console.log(prevState);

                prevState.rawMessage.push({
                    content: node.querySelector('.content').innerHTML
                });

                return {
                    observer: prevState.observer,
                    messageComponents: prevState.messageComponents,
                    rawMessage: prevState.rawMessage

Taisho

ASCII-only

@Hakase i have things i (kinda) want to work on rn. also i kinda want to wait a few months to see if any art appears

Hakase

12:05

any art appears?

did you commission someone or waiting for a fan art contest?

why not develop a prototype now

ASCII-only

@Hakase kinda working with someone. possibly, idk

@Hakase this is not a bad idea. but i have other things i kinda want to work on

because abusing reflection is too fun to just stop

Hakase

they say make your small game fast

you'll realize then if you want to do gamedev at all and if you enjoy it

abusing reflection is a path to Taisho 2.0

in short, don't do it

ASCII-only

@Hakase i need it though

Hakase

I understand

ASCII-only

for C# interop

Hakase

12:08

just don't try to extend RPG gamemaker

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@Hakase note: this is not game related, reflection thing is referring to message right before that

Hakase

oh ok

you can do whatever you want for non-games

ASCII-only

obviously this is the best idea ever >_>:

Hakase

ok but what are you gonna do with that stuff

ASCII-only

nothing. at all. >_> (i.e. i just work on the most useless stuff ever)

Hakase

12:12

seems like you're better off writing separate local apps which communicate over named pipes or call each other like normal libraries

ASCII-only

@Hakase btw this is meant to be a (terrible) programming language

Hakase

I kinda got that from the syntax

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@Hakase ok then i don't understand what you mean by this

Hakase

just looking over it, I can hear it whisper: "you're doing something you're not supposed to" with an ominous smile on its vaguely shaped face

whatever you're doing, there's probably an easier way

for all I know you might be doing a contest for the weirdest way to generate a range of numbers in an inconvenient to parse notation for CodeGolf

calling other language's primitives and methods: +10 points each

etc

Proxy

how do you play golf with code?

ASCII-only

12:16

@Hakase it's meant to be an actual programming language. (range 100) has the same behavior, this is just making sure interop works correctly

Hakase

@Proxy there's probably an unfunny picture of a guy holding a line of code shaped like a golf club

ASCII-only

@Proxy fewest ~~putts~~ bytes wins

Proxy

:)

Hakase

I'm just not interested in code golf as a means of entertainment

doesn't amuse me

looks like work

ASCII-only

@Hakase code golf is too much effort for me too, i don't even really know why i decided to write a golflang

Hakase

12:20

so anyways if you wanna talk gamedev sometime, I'm probably up for it

maybe in a secret non-public discord channel

where the history doesn't get saved for all eternity

僕の彼女

>_>

Hakase

I've yet to start using discord but meh

ASCII-only

@Hakase so like DM but with auto-deleting messages?

Hakase

I guess

I think IRC does that by design

like there's no history

ASCII-only

I don't like no history :/

Hakase

12:21

yea me neither

but I don't like public history for forever either

I'm gonna completely change my avatar for my game when it's time to go public and try not to link to my past identities as hard as I can

Taisho

3

Hakase

golf story is a fun game btw

I don't have a switch tho so :<

@ASCII-only anyways I'm interested in hearing your mechanics and maybe throwing in some suggestions based on what you want to achieve

if you're not afraid of hearing someone else's thoghts!

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@Hakase mainly there will be more than one magic system - they can roughly be compared to different types of programming languages. i also intend them to be complex enough that you can make basically any spell yourself, although it's 99.99% a super bad idea. crafting will be like magic just with symbols

Hakase

uh-huh

have you played/seen Transistor?

ASCII-only

no

there will also be terrible UI decisions like lack of a HUD (HP/MP bars etc.) and the fact that you can't see parts of the map you haven't visited yet (e.g. a hole)

Hakase

12:36

you can't play Loadout now but you can check out videos of its weapon combination system

@ASCII-only aha, I see you got inspired by en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack_%27n%27_Slash

ASCII-only

@Hakase no (plus that's not exactly what i'm going for at all). funny thing is i've seen that recently

forgot why/how though

Hakase

it's useful to keep notes of your ideas and mechanics

ASCII-only

for me that's discord

Hakase

do I even have to say it's useful to write down your character, dialogue and worldbuilding ideas?

for me that's onenote :p

I've got like 4k notes by now

whenever i'm not coding, I'm iteratively categorizing my old notes and reviewing ideas for viability/fun factor

like what I thought of 5 years back could not be fun in an actual game, but just as a standalone visual thingie

I'm absolutely going overboard with note taking, but not writing anything down is also a very bad thing

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@Hakase my ideas have viability and fun factor -1000

@Hakase :( i'm actually using discord for note taking though

one of the plus sides of infinite history

Hakase

12:41

yea but what about organization and categorization by topics

and then tagging individual notes with keywords for easier search

I'm still unhappy with onenote for its lack of tagging support for each note

but the "tabs" are already a very big help

I was planning on making an extension app but naah

ASCII-only

transistor looks really nice

@Hakase but MS says you can tag individual notes?

Hakase

no these are not "keywords associated with a note page" tags, these are "visual marker" tags

I mean checkboxes are useful for checklists and milestones buuut...

you should check out transistor coz it uses weapon combination/modification mechanics

and look up Loadout's weapons explanation vids/wiki pages

ASCII-only

@Hakase just because it has programmy stuff doesn't make it similar to what i want to do >_>

Hakase

it doesn't

neither of two games

but Hack n Slash does

and it's baaaad

exceptions everywhere

couldn't play it

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@Hakase from what i can see it doesn't look that similar though

Hakase

12:55

I got that

I was trying to be slightly funny

Squishino Squoko!

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@Hakase wat. also congratulations you said something google shows 0 results for

僕の彼女

nice

Taisho

13:11

6

Toshinou Kyouko

14:26

boop

僕の彼女

poob

Gallifreyan

peeb

nhahtdh

14:52

@Taisho Sagiri-chwan

nhahtdh

15:16

√Letter - Root Letter - 80% off on Steam

僕の彼女

15:43

@Gao youtu.be/BzlQOv3kuh0

Sakamoto

0

Q: Which powers/skills does Noumu have?

It's mentioned and shown in the anime that Noumu has shock absorption, regeneration and it's as strong as All Might. Are those all the powers it has? Or does it have other powers?

my-hero-academia

nhahtdh

16:11

Imouto sae Ireba Ii - 02 Special

►

僕の彼女

16:39

no subs :<

nhahtdh

17:17

Ryuuou no Oshigoto 7 - Limited Drama CD edition

僕の彼女

#fail

Taisho

@僕の彼女 I don't know how to deal with this message.

僕の彼女

@Taisho :<

@Hakase you should probably change the invocation suffix to !!

nhahtdh

And Ryuuou no Oshigoto 6 - Limited Drama CD edition

The prices are hiked up by 50% to 200% of the original pricing T_T

The Drama CDs gives an alternative perspective to the characters, and they are rather fun to listen to if you know Japanese

Too bad they are not produced in large quantity, and I don't think they are ever sold on digital stores

Tonepoet

17:55

Happiness is a warm blanket and a fun video game. XP

Sakamoto

19:18

0

Q: What's the ost from My Hero Academia season one episode five?

It starts around the 12:57 mark and it sounds beautiful. It sounds like the song "My Hero Academia" but it sounds like some sort of alternate version of it. I'm not entirely sure. Does anyone know the name of this track?

my-hero-academia

Sakamoto

21:58

0

Q: Why is Toyohisa OK with Olmine contributing to the fight, but not Jeanne dArc?

In episode 7, in the well, Toyohisa tells Jeanne to go home and act like a woman after he determines that she is a woman. However, he was OK with Olmine providing support through magic spells. Why is Toyohisa OK with Olmine contributing to the fight, but not Jeanne? Is it the manner in which t...

drifters

Hakase

@僕の彼女 it was in use by HoiHoi-san already so I decided on #

also I kinda dislike the hashtag bs and so I'm not opposed to when it messes up people's attempts to post them in this room

when I want to ironically refer to hashtags, I just say "hashtag fuck hashtags"

also # is called a pound sign coz it's a sped-up form of writing lb which is a part of the weight of some "stone", and everybody knows that stones can be of any shape, size and color, so the mass is completely random and this is all bullshit and I dislike it :p

@Taisho isn't that like a very old pic?

Tonepoet

22:27

@Hakase Nah, if they're too small you stop calling them stones, and start calling them pebbles. =P

At exactly which size a stone stops being a stone and starts being a pebble is something that only Ms. Yakumo knows though.

ASCII-only

@Hakase If they're too large you start just calling them rocks (or boulders)

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