The Nineteenth Byte

ETHproductions

00:00

goshdarn parents, forcing you to play video games

Dennis

@Downgoat -1 still no TIO link. :P

Downgoat

does puts guarantee a flush?

Christopher

@ETHproductions he is wimping out and coding some macros

imma be casting and invoking every spell manually

ETHproductions

@Downgoat I was wary about searching for you on twitter bc the name you go by isn't super unique, but I relaxed when the avatar of the first result was a goat

Dennis

@Downgoat No.

Also, [Try it online](lib/vsl/parser/parser.js) is not a TIO link. :P

Downgoat

00:07

i did what

Dennis

On the bright side, it wasn't your password.

ETHproductions

how do you know? ;P

Dennis

Fair enough.

Downgoat

@ASCII-only y is ternary like:

Ternary
   -> Assign _ "?" _ Ternary _ ":" _ Assign {%

why isn't the last part another Ternary

ASCII-only

:| i did a stupid is why

Downgoat

00:17

ono

btw how would I implement bitcast

because syntax example is: Pointer<UInt8>::string.rawValue

where LHS is a Type instead of Expressoin

so not sure how we'd do this

@ASCII-only oh no we did a javascript:

vsl::asts> 1..2
Syntax Error: Unexpected token `.2` (1:2)

    > 1 | 1..2
        |   ^^

ASCII-only

:/

maybe require floats to have at least one digit after decimal point then

Downgoat

@ASCII-only btw what does this mean:

                data[0][0].isClosure ?
                    (data[0][0].isClosure = false) || true :
                    data[4][0].isClosure ?
                        (data[4][0].isClosure = false) || true :
                        data[0][0] instanceof t.Whatever || data[4][0] instanceof t.Whatever,

ASCII-only

oh that handles whatevers

like 3 + ? * 5 will become {3 + ? * 5}

not 3 + {? * 5}

Downgoat

owow

@ASCII-only btw i have quetion on lambda semantisc

if you have like:

// inside func f
let a = 1
let b: () -> Void = { print(a) }
a = 2
b()

What should this be

I was thinking 1

because integer would be capture by-value

Destructible Lemon

did anyone see the oisc ais523 made?

it would be good for that oisc challenge

Destructible Lemon

00:53

Idea for a language: brainflak but it has function definitions

ASCII-only

01:15

@DestructibleLemon so basically lispflak

Destructible Lemon

not exactly

lisp functions can take more than 1 argument

and also support functions as a type

and don't have a global stack and side effects as the default

speaking of which

brainflak but without side effects as much as possible

tbh i'm not sure if that idea is even coherent

Downgoat

01:31

has CrazyPython &| Tux been around SE chat recently?

Destructible Lemon

you mean crazypythou? idk

user202729

02:06

@Neil Really? No, if all elements are odd, it should be Math.floor(a.length/3).

@DestructibleLemon So, "In BF, overflow errors out immediately. Your generated program must not overflow in any case."?

user202729

02:22

Can any close-voters of this explain? (cairdcoinheringaahing, totallyhuman, Mr.Xcoder, NieDzejkob)

Destructible Lemon

@user202729 no, i mean, there's no way i can provide an example where bf overflows, because the exact compilation of bf is entirely up to the persons program

I'm getting the answerers to compiler to bf, and if they wanted to not have any bf overflow for some reason, that would be weird, but they're entitled to do that, except that it would probably be ungolfy and overcomplicated

user56656

@DestructibleLemon I've played around with this idea a lot

user202729

@DestructibleLemon But still... having a test case where the naive implementation gets it wrong can be useful.

Destructible Lemon

@user202729 the spec means overflow wraps around, for the challenge

I corrected that. it was an oversight due to forgetting to save edits and such

user56656

One language I sort of designed was called Flap-Jak, which had no loops and instead of stacks of integers it had stacks of pieces of code

Destructible Lemon

02:29

either way, if overflow was undefined, they would have to not have any overflow at all, but it is defined

user56656

I never finished the interpreter because it made my head hurt

Destructible Lemon

I designed a language to be 2d /// but then i didn't finish the main command

user202729

Anyone know how can I type less-than-or-equal on my keyboard? (Arch Linux - English (intl., with AltGr dead keys))

Destructible Lemon

anyway, for example, in the most recent revision: "- : decrement the cell under the pointer, unless the cell is 0, in which case set cell to 255"

@user202729 i have a compose key for that, which you might get maybe? idk

≤

user56656

@user202729 ≤

Destructible Lemon

02:31

haha i have more typing power

user202729

(Which key?)

Destructible Lemon

@user202729 i followed some tutorial to get the compose key

also can i share with you a garfield remix i might submit?

user56656

I did alt+,

user202729

... I only have AltGr dead keys. Although it has "keyboard layout", it's not really clear.

Nope, Alt+, gets ç for me.

Destructible Lemon

@user56656 ≤ oh yeah i can do that as well

i probably should have used that while writing sad-flak programs i guess

user202729

02:37

My keyboard layout : i.snag.gy/PN3CQR.jpg

CMP: In a language where function declaration inside another function is not possible and code start execution in a main function (C++ or Java), what would you do if you need a recursive function to process the data?

(1) use global variables,
(2) use lambda,
(3) other.

ATaco

You can use a recursive function without function definitions inside of other functions..?

Destructible Lemon

just recurse?

ATaco

int fib(int n){
    if(n<=1)
        return n;
    return fib(n-1)+fib(n-2);
}

Destructible Lemon

please i need feedback on my sandbox challenge i'm not kidding: codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/14968/55896

apparently cheese is technically illegal in Florida

Tyramine

Tyramine ( TY-rə-meen) (also spelled tyramin), also known by several other names, is a naturally occurring trace amine derived from the amino acid tyrosine. Tyramine acts as a catecholamine releasing agent. Notably, it is unable to cross the blood-brain barrier, resulting in only non-psychoactive peripheral sympathomimetic effects following ingestion. A hypertensive crisis can result, however, from ingestion of tyramine-rich foods in conjunction with monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs). == Occurrence == Tyramine occurs widely in plants and animals, and is metabolized by various enzymes, including...

Dennis

02:57

@DestructibleLemon You say the tape extends infinitely to the right. What about the left?

Destructible Lemon

@Dennis i think i forgot to save edits possibly... clarifying

done

user202729

std::vector<std::vector<int>> adjlist; // <-- global variable, do you use this?
void dfs(int node) { /* something */ }
int main(){
    /* process adjlist */
    dfs(0);
}

user202729

03:43

@DestructibleLemon See the starboard >>>

There are ≃5 room owners in the room right now...

Dennis

→ 119 messages moved to The Third Stack

If your TNB is glitching too, refresh.

user56656

Thansk!

ASCII-only

@Dennis well, it's not exactly glitching

DJMcMayhem

@user56656 Can't, mobile.

Also, Dennis beat me to it

user202729

@user56656 Typo...

Zacharý

04:06

@DJMcMayhem ofc

user202729

Lock for historical please? Or delete? That sort of answer is no longer on-topic, right?

ETHproductions

@user202729 nah, it's in Thanish

ASCII-only

04:18

@user202729 who said

Zacharý

~~Wheat Whizard!!~~ user56656!

ASCII-only

also for reference:

Apr 19 '17 at 17:20, by betseg

And "dansk" is "Danish" in Danish.

user202729

@ASCII-only Whoops...

Anyone delete this tag please?

Wait a minute... That is a word?

Or is it not?

No, it isn't.

Pavel

I believe the term is "burninate" rather than "delete" when speaking of tags.

user202729

... correct.

Google for "circult".

ASCII-only

04:30

@anyone know of any golflangs not here yet?

feersum

Obviously it refers to electronics worshippers.

user202729

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Q: Make a BCDto7SEG chip

Source Given a decimal digit in BCD format in cell a[0][3] to a[0][0] (so 8 will be represented as an 1 in a[0][3], and 2 be one in a[0][1]), you are required to output its 7-segment expression in a[10][0] to a[10][6]. Converting Table: a[0][3] a[0][1] a[10][6] a[10][4] a[10][2] a[10][0...

circuit-golf

Any idea why this is unclear?

BTW... this is 1 vote from being reopened.

ASCII-only

@user202729 well for one there's no spec at all?

user202729

@ASCII-only Which specification? ...

ASCII-only

there's no output format

which means every answer will have a different format

which will be terrible

user202729

04:43

@ASCII-only The format is not very important. This is circuit-golf, not code-golf.

ASCII-only

@user202729 of course. but if it's inconsistent it takes more effort to read

user202729

You can expect people will use reasonable format, or there is only one answer.

codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/12263/69850 (no onebox)

ASCII-only

oh yay logisim

ASCII-only

05:04

codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/79999/39244

kim.oyhus.no

:|

user202729

@ASCII-only No idea if it's real, but it's definitely unverifiable.

ASCII-only

definitely

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07:27

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Find out if this a valid Stack Cats program, in Stack Cats style! code-challenge restricted-source Background Stack Cats is a reversible esoteric language made by Martin Ender. Each command in Stack Cats is either the inverse of itself (represented as a symmetric character, such as -_:T|), or ...

New Main Posts

09:54

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Q: Blue duck, red duck, grey duck

So, last week I posted a challenge to play Duck, Duck, Goose. This lead to a number of Minnesotans commenting about their regional 'Grey duck' variation. So here's the rules: Given an array of colours: Red Orange Yellow Green Blue Indigo Violet Grey Write a program to follow these rules: S...

code-golf

Neil

10:23

@user202729 you're right, I confused myself about what needed to be odd. I guess it needs to be a=>Math.min(o=a.filter(e=>e%2).length,(e=a.length-o)+(o-e)/3|0)

Erik the Outgolfer

10:34

@MartinEnder not to break it on you, but Brachylog beats Retina on a string challenge :)

Martin Ender

10:50

I'm not surprised :P

Stewie Griffin

11:09

We've had a week or two of tape, scissors and ropes. I feel we're heading into a week of ducks and geese...

Adám

@StewieGriffin *ducks*.

Erik the Outgolfer

markdown next to period == good luck

oh wait that was escaped

ASCII-only

@Adám :| this is two years old

Adám

@ASCII-only So? We did one year of ducks, but we have many many more at HQ and more are being added frequently.

ASCII-only

@Adám It's just weird seeing '16 referred to in the future tense I guess?

Adám

11:19

@ASCII-only I guess, but all old news will have that. I suppose (I don't instagoogletweetface) that people's old posts have things like "I'm so excited for tomorrow".

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám oh yes they do, if you were to edit every one old post then your life would be over

ASCII-only

@Adám Hmm. I guess it's just a bit misleading in that it looks more like a (non-time-specific) info page than an update then?

Adám

@ASCII-only I'll ask that it be corrected then.

ASCII-only

Anyone know the C# equivalent of Python's __import__ function?

user202729

@ASCII-only Why?

ASCII-only

11:33

@user202729 Because I need ~~reflection black magic~~ interop

user202729

I think you can just use fully qualified name. TIO.

(if that's what you meant by import)

ASCII-only

@user202729 No. Assume you're given the string name of the namespace or module you want to import

user202729

So... no, I don't know much about reflection.

ASCII-only

Even better, is there a way to get the object referred to by any string (no matter whether it's a namespace or module), without having to climb up the class tree

user202729

May be useful.

HyperNeutrino

12:19

Any final feedback before I post?

(I will make the controller after I get some final feedback; basically, feedback -> controller -> post)

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino pls don't disallow posting too many submissions...

HyperNeutrino

ok... I don't think the limitation is too bad but I'll remove it for now

I guess I just don't want someone to create a ton of submissions and cross-team them all but I suppose that would go against the standard competitiveness rules

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12:36

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Quine Time Bomb with Reset Functionality code-golfquinetime Challenge: Create a program or function that takes an integer input, which outputs a new program/function as specified below. Input: Integer n: Time in seconds before the Time Bomb explodes. Output: The original program which had ...

moonheart08

12:51

morning o/

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino Well you can just run one bot from each player max?

moonheart08

what's the scoring for execution speed challanges again?

i assume just the speed, no byte count

ASCII-only

@moonheart08 yes

moonheart08

by editing your thing i got pinged twice. Huh.

ASCII-only

13:07

@moonheart08 what did you think happens when you edit >_>

moonheart08

true. :p

Fatalize

Landed in Athens 22 hours late. 0/10 never going to Greece again -.-

moonheart08

Cant wait for the xray project (from the Atom team) to be usable. Atom's slowness is finally starting to get to me

ASCII-only

@moonheart08 atom's slowness got to me a long, long time ago

moonheart08

@ASCII-only i have a really beefy laptop, so i notice less :p

when you have a good/overthetop system, it's hard to notice as much, and atom turns out to be a really nice editor

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13:30

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Octacontakaipentagon code-golf Given a polygon with the number of sides n, the a-th n-gonal number is: Given an input of two numbers a and n, output the a-th n-gonal number. Standard loopholes apply. Shortest code in bytes wins.

user202729

Here the answerer indeed misunderstood the challenge, correct?

Martin Ender

they did

user202729

@BufferOverRead Dupe.

Buffer Over Read

@user202729 :(

Wait

It's not a dupe

There's a twist at the end, did you spot it?

ASCII-only

@BufferOverRead it will usually not be a whole number then, right?

user202729

13:37

......... So that's just a "multiply by 3/2".

ASCII-only

@user202729 *divide by 2

@user202729 codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/posts/16051/revisions

user202729

@ASCII-only I misread that as "plus"...

Buffer Over Read

Okay, I get it, I get it, dumb challenge.

Erik the Outgolfer

don't worry, that's why the sandbox is there

Buffer Over Read

I've been working on a research paper with something similar to that, so that inspired the challenge

Basically, the research is about data compression using polygon-like structures

HyperNeutrino

13:40

@ASCII-only I guess, but I want to allow people to have multiple submissions running together but not completely dominate the whole thing

(also this thing about a fifth of the problems doesn't allow anyone to submit until there are 4 submissions :P)

Buffer Over Read

@BufferOverRead Gets 139% improvement over 7zip in best case.

user202729

@BufferOverRead Use :<message number> <content>.

Martin Ender

@cairdcoinheringaahing Just saw your answer-chaining post in the sandbox. I've been wanting to do answer-chaining language-design in almost the exact same form for months but never found the time to build the base interpreter. But since I've been thinking about this a lot, here are some ideas/suggestions:

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino well IMO I'd take more solutions over fewer, KotHs tend to get fewer solutions so any extra is a plus

@MartinEnder link?

Martin Ender

Which language are you going to write the base interpreter in? Python might be good?

Buffer Over Read

13:41

@user202729 Ah I see

HyperNeutrino

I guess that's true. yeah I'll keep the restriction out then

Martin Ender

You can avoid "new built-in must not be specifically for one challenge" by requiring that each answer shortens at least 3 (or so) of the problems

You could also consider letting each answer add two new built-ins, in case anyone wants to implement matched brackets or control flow or something.

Buffer Over Read

@user202729 All of the interesting challenges have mostly been already made. And esoteric math with quaternions will just be ignored

Martin Ender

Also, will the initial interpreter be Turing-complete, so that there is a base score for each problem already?

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Build a golfing language with me Tags: interpreter answer-chaining multiple-holes (maybe) Our community has found it necessary to create a set of languages designed specifically for golfing, "golfing languages" as we call them. Such languages have evolved from the once brilliant, now clunky Gol...

@cairdcoinheringaahing there's also the question of the memory model, which I think is something the base interpreter already needs to provide.

"If you really wish, you may add a code page (or equivalent) as well as a command in one turn." I have no clue what this means.

Also, get rid of the multiple holes tag. The multiple challenges are more like test cases in this context.

You'll also want to allow people other than the last answerer to golf the current solutions further (and then require the answerer to edit them in and lower their score) so that people can't do a suboptimal golf in order to make a future solution easier. In fact, you might even want to require that the updated solutions wouldn't have worked in the previous version of the interpreter.

(instead of the current "They do not have to use the new command", which seems counterproductive to me)

ASCII-only

@MartinEnder ~~clearly Charcoal is the ideal language for this since it is 36 bytes shorter than the next shortest in Bake a Slice of Pi :P~~

moonheart08

13:48

I am, for an intristic, going to calculate the most commonly used pairs of letters (like, say, ca or is). What'd be a good resource to use to actually calculate this?

ASCII-only

Now that I think about, Bake a Slice of Pi was the reason I added Wolfram to Charcoal in the first place :/

moonheart08

aka, i just need a datapoint to feed into a program that can do it for me. (I'm writing the program)

ASCII-only

@moonheart08 imonad.com/seo/wikipedia-word-frequency-list

moonheart08

oh neat

Martin Ender

@cairdcoinheringaahing oh, I just saw "Regarding the new interpreter, you may use any language you wish." That seems like it'll get messy. It means every answer has to reimplement the entire language if they switch languages, which is bound to introduce errors and is a lot more effort than necessary. It also makes it hard to judge what "a command" is.

I think you should start from a more rigid framework, where the base interpreter is fixed (and written in a popular language), as is the character set, and each answer may add a function implementing one more command.

Then you could also limit the size of each implemented command to something like 256 or 512 bytes (which should be plenty).

user202729

13:52

About character set... that's possible, but will make commands unintuitive.

Martin Ender

Sure, you could also use bytes and let the user pick a Unicode glyph to go with that byte.

(I guess that's what caird meant with "you may add a code page".)

For task 7, I'd definitely prefer output the sign.

Mr. Xcoder

@MartinEnder I like the idea very much, but I want an opinion from a mod: Might it end up closed for being multi-part?

Martin Ender

not from me

Mr. Xcoder

Neither from me

Martin Ender

this isn't a multi-part challenge. the challenges are really just a test battery here.

Mr. Xcoder

13:58

Oh, then caird shall consider adding that tag

Martin Ender

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm also not a huge fan of having the 20 problems as links to other challenges. a) it requires people to read a lot of challenge specs, b) what if those challenges get changed (or worse, deleted)? you can reuse the problems, but I'd try including each problem as a very concise spec in the challenge itself. especially with a common header/footer for admissible I/O formats.

having randomness in the test cases means that the base interpreter already needs a built-in for RNG. not sure whether you want that.

user202729

Can users with <100 rep edit their own CW answer?

Martin Ender

users can always edit their own answers.

ASCII-only

someone said "add C# interop"

now I'm sitting here staring at the abomination I'm in the process of writing

moonheart08

14:15

lol

@ASCII-only add interop for anything that compiles to a object file

Bam, even worse mess

ASCII-only

@moonheart08 ~~eh, that's for later~~ wait can you give an example of a non-c# object file

moonheart08

Uh, a object file compiled from C/C++/Rust/D/etc

in this case, just your standard shared library

I'm probably going to have a much more abominable abomination once i'm done reworking QUARK to be a compiled language.

At least the compiler is somewhat streamlined (actual compilation is put in it's own rust module so i can replace it later if needed)

ASCII-only

@moonheart08 yeah that won't work if the interpreter doesn't know the signatures for literally everything

moonheart08

@ASCII-only actually, it can.

there's a reason libraries have symbol tables

and said symbol tables often contain info about the signature

(sometimes)

(other times it's a guessing game, and it's up to the supplied program to actually provide the signature)

ASCII-only

@moonheart08 exactly?

moonheart08

14:21

i just talked myself back into your problem

gg

ASCII-only

for .NET, unless you want to basically copy the entire PInvoke, you basically can't guarantee you can get the signature

moonheart08

rip

QUARK is going to cheat, and is going to require LLVM bitcode files for anything you want to use alongside the base language :p

...i just realised that the stance on using libraries for codegolf is kinda a grey spot

meh

The rules loosened up a lot recently, so may as well just assume

ASCII-only

14:39

@moonheart08 It's not really a grey spot IIRC?

moonheart08

I just don't remember any rules on it. I'll doublecheck

ASCII-only

It's just that if you use a library, the library becomes part of the submission language essentially

moonheart08

mk

moonheart08

15:02

I'm trying to parse Jelly like code. Turns out that jelly like code is absolutely horrifying to parse

@Dennis help i'm lost (sorry for the ping) but how the heck do you parse jelly code?

user202729

@moonheart08 "Postfix parser".

(you can look at the source code for more details)

moonheart08

oh ok. Silly me.

Sorry dennis

user202729

Relevant code.

Pavel

@moonheart08 IDK what you're doing but you might be able to just use Dennis' Jelly interpreter as a library and not reimplement parsing.

moonheart08

Cant. Using rust :p

Pavel

15:12

@moonheart08 github.com/dgrunwald/rust-cpython

user202729

@Pavel Using a whole library just for parsing postfix code is... somewhat overkill.

moonheart08

^

I'm just the kind of person who's written a miniature bootloader, yet has never parsed postfix code.

Pavel

It depends on what you're actually trying to achieve

Like I'm really intrested in why you're parsing Jelly in the first place

moonheart08

I'm not parsing jelly. Working on my own thing

Jelly is just what came to mind for the syntax

Pavel

> Please note that Jelly is currently under development; features will change or disappear without prior notice.

Given that any breaking change might break a TIO permalink, I find this extremely unlikely

user202729

15:23

@Pavel Actually the code would be still there, just the output is different. Only if someone re-run it (as TIO caches).

Pavel

@user202729 TIO caches only the last ~1000 runs, after that they're gone

They don't tend to last very long

caird coinheringaahing

@MartinEnder So originally I was thinking Python or JS as they're used quite commonly, but wasn't sure whether it should be available for all languages.

@MartinEnder Adding the builtin seems to be the biggest issue with the challenge at the moment, especially as control flow doesn't really count as a builtin. I'd (ideally) like to have an original idea regarding the memory model, but if that fails, a stack is a solid fallback. The requirement that updated solutions mustn't work in previous interpreters is a good idea, thanks!

New Main Posts

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Q: Workplace Puzzles I

The Challenge: Write something that takes a string as input, rot13 the string, reverse it, output the transformed string. A program was considered valid if it could handle all the characters here: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ 1234567890!"£$%&*()-=_+/?.,;:'@~#<>^|`¬{}[] ...

code-golf

caird coinheringaahing

@NewMainPosts That's a dupe of at least two challenges :/

@MartinEnder That's another thing I'm still undecided about. Ideally there'd be one language which everyone can use, but CS doesn't work like that, plus I mainly use Python, so I think Python might be a good base. Thoughts?

Martin Ender

15:40

@cairdcoinheringaahing I would provide a bunch of memory storage options and let people choose what to do with them. E.g. a deque, an infinite tape, 5 registers and a finite indeed array.

caird coinheringaahing

@MartinEnder How do you mean? As in during the chain or while in the Sandbox?

Martin Ender

As part of the base interpreter.

I'm on mobile right now, I'll explain it in more detail when I get back to a PC.

New Sandboxed Posts

16:11

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Self Numbers A self number (wiki link) is a natural number that cannot be expressed in the form n + <digit sum of n>, for any natural number n. For example, 21 is not a self number, as n = 15 results in 15 + 1 + 5 = 21. 20, on the other hand, is a self number, as no n can be found which satisfie...

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Quine Suite code-challenge quine restricted-source We've had a lot of quine challenges, but a lot of the quine formats are similar, lets create some variance in our quines. Your task is to create a selection of programs, all of which output their own source code, however, none of these pro...

caird coinheringaahing

16:35

Q: Does anyone know how to remove a massive folder from github without using git? I tried with git, but really don't understand it

Pavel

@cairdcoinheringaahing git rm -r path/to/folder

Then add it to .gitignore

DJMcMayhem

+1 for using git. Github isn't a very good UI

Erik the Outgolfer

meh, I don't like using the command line much, especially Windows's cmd >_>

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer Installing git for windows installs mingw

caird coinheringaahing

git is useless for me. It's perfectly fine cloning the jelly repo, but not one of mine ಠ_ಠ

Pavel

16:43

@cairdcoinheringaahing How? What doesn't work?

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ Never mind, I mistyped my username facefloor

7

Pavel

Good job

J. Sallé

17:42

@cairdcoinheringaahing happens way more often than I'd like to admit.

Martin Ender

@EriktheOutgolfer yay for PowerShell (although that has its own problems)

Erik the Outgolfer

powershell isn't at all convenient for such tasks

Martin Ender

such tasks? using git?

Erik the Outgolfer

inb4 "Powershell is great and does all things."

well, basically calling external utilities

it's just so slow at least for me

Martin Ender

@cairdcoinheringaahing so what I meant is that you could provide a base interpreter that already has all the basics in place (reading and parsing the source code, providing some functions to retrieve input and print output, as well as various memory stores and some functions to work with them). when you have that, each answer only needs to define a function that implements one command, in terms of those framework functions you provide.

caird coinheringaahing

17:47

So it already has, say 8, commands, each of which operates on a different memory model?

Or something similar?

AdmBorkBork

@EriktheOutgolfer Aww, man...

caird coinheringaahing

TFW Python tells you a comment is invalid syntax ಠ_ಠ

Erik the Outgolfer

there's such a thing called a magic comment

Martin Ender

@cairdcoinheringaahing it doesn't actually have to have those commands as part of the language yet. but the interpreter already has functions to access those memory models which can be used to implement new commands.

caird coinheringaahing

TIL

Erik the Outgolfer

17:59

it can be assigned to, so it can be considered a variable

Try it online!

Mr. Xcoder

ಠ_ಠ TIL

And I say I know Python...

recursive

I always assumed that for implied a declaration, and couldn't be used for a variable that was already defined.

caird coinheringaahing

That actually makes it a lot easier to create a language with variables, because you can simply store them in a dictionary :P

Pavel

18:44

Isn't that literaly just Python with globals()?

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