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12:37 AM
hey there @Gryphon
hey as well @Slereah
 
Hello
 
how're things today?
 
 
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1:43 AM
hey there @sphennings
 
1:58 AM
hey as well @FerretCivilization
 
Always the official greeter here eh.
 
 
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Q: Have worldbuilding-resources questions become off-topic?

JBHThis question is due to the nearly-successful effort to close the following question. Where can I find ideas for sci fi futuristic tech? This question is strongly related to the following. It differs in that a specific question and the current actions of VTCers are involved. Therefore, this...

 
 
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Q: Why is my Worldbuilding picture not coming up?

AnonymouseI have 3 accounts (stack overflow, 3d printing and world building), but worldbuilding isn't coming up and my profile says i have only 2 accounts Why?

 
 
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6:46 AM
Random lore:
... on the final day of humanity, a massive resurgence of nostalgia was observed. In the final hours before the fate of all humanity and the universe was sealed, many familiar images and experience of the past emerged. At the final minute, the last strand of the future coiled back as the last batch of the past intersected the present. The fate of the universe is finally sealed: A world where literally there is no more future as the past and present permeated and merged completely...
 
 
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8:37 AM
and lol, just today in NewScientist, read about that supersonic commercial aricraft may be rising again
 
 
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9:51 AM
@Secret The French used to class nostalgia as a mental illness requiring therapy and/or being put in an institution.
 
 
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12:36 PM
@Secret maybe they'll get it right this time. That'll be interesting if SSTs were 60 years too early.
 
There seemed to be a lot of resurgence in the recent 10 years in addition to the technological advancements, such as vinyl records, many continuity reboots and other old cultures
and as far I l knew, they are doing well after coming back
but it is also intriguing. Are our whole species becoming more nostalgic?
 
@Secret Yes and no. We may be more nostalgic than we were a few decades ago but levels of nostalgia go in cycles, humans have been more nostalgic than this in the past.
 
@Bellerophon Those were the good times sigh
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12:52 PM
@Bellerophon Ah I see
didn't knew that
 
@Bellerophon Do you have something to back up that claim, or is that just your opinion?
 
1:07 PM
@Gryphon I don't know if I can find anything to show human nostalgia as a whole although I reckon the increase in human nostalgia now is mainly Western and I can probably find source for nostalgia increasing in the developed world in the past.
During the industrial revolution you got a lot of nostalgic art and literature. A similar thing happened after world war 2.
Most of that took the form of people longing for the 'unspoiled' countryside of their youth so you have a lot of paintings like this one.
 
 
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2:53 PM
@Secret I found an article last week that discusses the idea that we are about to enter a dark age. ribbonfarm.com/2017/11/30/…
 
3:07 PM
@Green If we are, it's from the fallacy that "feelings trump facts" that seems to be permeating society.
 
@AndyD273 The article defines a dark age as an era where new things are less desirable than stability (or same-ness). I don't think that humanity is homogenous enough anymore to have a true global dark age. There's too many very smart people who realize the value of out-competeing those countries that decide they want a dark age.
 
> So figuring out the future of collective sentiment isn’t the whole answer, but it is a big part of it.
There are some really interesting stuff in that lengthy article, i wish I can read faster
it also reminds me of the time travel setting I try to do in my scifi,which basically will mean near perfect modelling of a society across all scales of development and structure
 
@Secret That whole website is full of great stuff.
 
Wow. Deep conversation this morning.
 
@Green You'll probably get some localized dark ages popping up, but they'll most likely get swallowed up eventually, if they are lucky.
@James Hey, how's it going?
 
3:21 PM
@James You know how I always try to break your brain before it's had coffee.
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@AndyD273 How would you prevent metastisized dark age-itis?
 
@Green Keep trying. It'll happen eventually. You just have to be dedicated.
 
Hmm.. this sentimental superstate, at a smaller scale , might explain why mobs behave very differently to the individuals that form it
 
@James Will do!
 
I have a forging question... I have an old lawn mower blade... is it worth putting any time/effort into turning it into something else?
 
3:24 PM
@James I remember reading somewhere that rioting is a national past-time for the French. It's just something they do.
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@AndyD273 I would hazard a guess that it could be turned into a blade, but I'd have to check to see if the steel is hard enough...otherwise it could certainly be used for other stuff.
 
@Green Some form of revolution. People thinking "dangerous thoughts" that go against the local hive mind.
 
@Green Why is it always fun to make fun of the French?
 
@AndyD273 I'm working on a shelf of dangerous books.
@James Who said I was making fun of them?
 
@AndyD273 I have thought you could make a cool double bladed weapon out of a lawnmower blade...
@Green Me. Doy.
Geez, who's the slow one today?
 
3:26 PM
@James Yeah. I don't know how to do that myself. I'll have to put it on my list of things to do one day.
 
Crap meeting time. Back later.
 
@James Mini bat'leth?
 
Why is is that all the really fun books are "in-library use only"?
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> This is not so much preservation of knowledge for its own sake, or even control of a strategic technology for its abstract potential. This is preparing for a particular path-dependent steering around anticipated collapse events. A loading of the dice of history, in this case with nuclear capability.
That kind of planning takes a LOOOOOOOOOOONG time, but it almost always turn out to be a batman gambit when pulled off
 
@Green Just nick them.
 
3:30 PM
@Green Depending on how conspiracy minded you are, either A) They want to keep them from getting damaged because they are valuable/important, or B) they want to control and track who has access to them in order to slow ideas from getting out into the world.
 
@Bellerophon I'm not going to steal from a library. I'm sick and twisted but not like that.
@AndyD273 I'm going with "It's a valuable book that they only have one of so they don't want to lose it."
 
@Green Photocopy/scan them. Just take a laptop and a flatbed scanner and copy out the parts you want for research purposes
Or a lot of change and use the library copiers
 
@AndyD273 Use an OCR app on my phone instead. Free and much much lighter to haul around.
 
@Green very true
 
@Secret I've wondered about this. What books would be required to bootstrap civilization after a breakdown like we've been talking about. I'd love to make it a WB question but I'm not sure how to make it not "too broad".
Hey @sphennings
 
3:35 PM
Hey @Green
 
I am not sure, I am still pretty new to this historician analysis worldview and thus my comments so far are mostly analytic and involving murmurs of complex systems dynamics
 
@Secret System Dynamics are my favorite. If I could go back to school, I'd study those.
 
But I suspect you will need a repository that contains most of the key technologies before the fall in order for the civilization to recover. Otherwise (assuming we are not being wiped out in the meantime), the society will soon discover and rediscover a way to a better age again
 
@Green Probably a basic chemistry, advanced chemistry, metallurgy, pharmacology, engineering, physics...
 
Emergence does gives you some idea on how to think about the notion of consciousness at the scale of entire societies. In a sense, this is what I think to be the physical manifestation of the sentimental superstate: A complex system due to all the interactions in the society and its environment, accounting for various individual histories and other things
 
3:38 PM
First place to scavenge after the collapse: the patent office.
 
That is, the dynamics itself is the sentiment, when under the interpretations of individuals
 
@AndyD273 That's a good start for areas. I'd want a list of specific books.
 
@Green Here are some of the things mentioned.
 
But of course, if mind does have a nonphysical form, then we are talking about something more interesting: Imagine being able to speak to the whole society, or a developing city as if it is an individual entity
this is communication at a scale that we don't normally imagine nor consider
The internet have some potential to do that due to the lack of geophysical restrictions, but so far the efficiency of such is very bad
 
That's excellent!
 
3:42 PM
> Second, psychohistory is not a science of pure prediction. It has predictive potential because it actively attempts to shape history by constructing polities that can hold and evolve germs of sentiment superstates. It is the Seldon Plan rather than the Seldon Prophesies (an underrated innovation on Asimov’s part, given the popularity of prophecies as a plot device in such stories).
Politics, when used properly and without all that corruption that often tagged along with it, is really philosophy and ideology being expanded to the scale to be able to affect the trajectory of the development of the society
Problem is, we humans are greedy selfish bastards, so things... go ... wrong...
 
@Secret Account for that in the plan.
 
@kingledion I'm glad you liked it. :-)
 
lol I have the opposite problem
I am often blind to what the society thinks
and has a strong belief to try ones best to carve ones own path in the future
in particular:
 
@Secret I actively do not care what society thinks or how society thinks I should feel.
 
> We create the plot, not the plot drive us, and our plots does not need to have followers, nor they have to be isolated
 
3:49 PM
@Secret I'm glad I've found a paper that's captured your attention.
 
More selfishly speaking: I will betray and ally as we see fit to our plans and we will try our best to take advantage of any situation (still working on that)
@Green I am also glad it opens me up to a new worldview, which will be useful as part of my purpose of life
 
@Secret Not everyone does that. A few do but the majority are willing to get opportunities pass by because those chances don't fit their world narrative.
@Secret from the same site, there's this excellent piece of writing on organizational structures. It's one of my favorite pieces in the last two or three months. ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/…
 
what does generative pluralism mean?
 
@Green I think it's something that is worth paying attention to, because unfortunately it's impossible to avoid society in this day and age. I wouldn't necessarily changing any behaviors just based on the whims of society but it's a good thing to keep tabs in.
 
My interactions with the society is an interesting one: Most people found me having ideals very similar to the limiting ideals that they all look for
Thus in a sense, I end up having some chirsma
Meanwhile, I basically consider this response of theirs as a protecting coating
because it seems obvious they are mezmerised or confused about my personality, which means it provide me some room to breath and think about how to plan my future before they figure it out, find me uninteresting and then start assaulting me like predators do
 
3:58 PM
@sphennings Fair. A more nuanced view would be "Be aware of societal norms just enough to comply with them then don't comply when it does not suit you."
 
@Green That's a very succinct description.
 
The society to me as a relationship is currently like an alien being confused about something they have never seen before, thus despite their predative nature, they have not start feasting because they are comprehening on what to do with it
so yeah, I have a rather subliminally cynical view about society and humanity in general, including myself, lol
 
@Secret It helps if you realize that most people are just as clueless as you. Perhaps in different ways, but nobody has it figured out.
 
@Secret I've taken to assuming that any adult animal (bipedal or quadripedal) is going to be an a**hole to one degree or another. There is no such thing as "tame".
 
@sphennings I mean, I am clear on what I want in my life and mostly on the plans and steps how to achieve my goals, but what I worry are the predators destroying my dreams and then consume my soul, so to speak
 
4:05 PM
@Secret Odds are that nobody cares enough about you to target you specifically.
 
yeah, I think I am too paranoid, lol
 
"If you ever run around thinking What might those people around me think about me right now? remember: they are probably too occupied asking themselves the same question to care about you."
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I am not terribly worry about what they think, I am only worried when they do things that hinder my survivial or my plans
with "my" being inclusive of my friends and family of course
I am interested in the mysteries of nature, not how many different kinds of tricks the predators can do
this is also why I rarely have interest on fields close to the scale of an individual person
 
@Secret This seems to be a common trait of people who come to WB. I think this way and I seem to remember @sphennings describing this mode of thinking too.
where my sample size is n=3
 
Or just a common trait of people in general.
 
4:12 PM
@Green As long as I have a quiet place to retreat to afterwards I can be quite the extrovert. I considered into getting into anthropology or linguistics in college.
If it wasn't for the limited amount of time I have I'd quite like regularly getting a beer with strangers and hearing about their perspective on life.
 
Meanwhile, I am a strict ambivert. so many tests put me smack bang at the 50% position of the extrovert introvert spectrum
 
I'm also only masquerading as a normal adult at the best of times so it's quite easy to weird people out and not everyone likes constant deep thinking questions.
 
meanwhile, I can sometimes stirr a small talk into a deep one during some parties and conferences
in theory, talking about celebrities can go deep too ,once you focus on a certain aspect of it
 
@Bellerophon I'm not sure that's true. I'm very aware that I don't care to work at really granular levels of detail. But the world has many examples of people who love to get into the nitty gritty minuteau. Proof would be how many comic book lovers will contradict you if you state "No one can beat Superman." and they respond "Well, actually in <COMIC> <Issue>, we see that Ultra-MegaMan beat Superman handily".
 
So far, as a student, I don't try to fit into the adult like mannerisms because that is myself, but I am not sure how much longer I can held onto this
 
4:17 PM
@Secret You've just got to find the right kind of parties to go to.
 
The lucky thing is, so far the people I met are curious in one way or another, thus they can have very deep talks about a spectrum of topics
 
@Secret As a function of being human you are already projecting yourself in many different ways depending on social context. Think about how you talk to your professors differently to your close friend.
 
'shallow' people are not as common encounters for me, because conversation tend to quickly go silent in minutes
@sphennings Well, that is true, but the difference is not very strong. Probably because professors in australia are less hierarchial e.g. prefer you to address them by their first name and pretty much act like a casual friend in most cases
And more broadly, I found it interesting that despite the different people I talked to, the breath and depth of topics are very similar. I am still not very sure what distinguish between relationshisp between me and close friends vs other people, except maybe that close friends have a very low probability to betray our relationships
I suspect whatever that distinction is, is something more emotional rather than language based
Perhaps a reasonable question to ask you guys is:
How do you find talking to your close friend differ from other people?
 
@HDE226868 Why did you delete that question? (I was just writing up an answer and got the message that it won't be accepted.)
 
@Secespitus Oh, I felt it wasn't well-enough specified.
I can undelete it, if you think it's okay.
 
4:24 PM
@Green That's true. Though if I am being a pedant I said it was a common trait so just because a subset of people don't have the trait doesn't mean it isn't common.
 
@HDE226868 I feel it's okay, but then again I love creature-design.
 
Undeleted.
 
@Bellerophon Fair enough :)
 
Oh, and I forgot the tag!
I haven't asked a question like that in a while.
 
@Secret With friends I have a bunch of contextual history to reference. I'm more likely to mess with friends since I know their boundaries, what is and isn't ok. I know what my friends find interesting so I'm more likely to rapidly segue the conversation if I remember there's a thing that's right up their alley. I'm more cagey about some of my interests with strangers. I'm more likely to use names with friends and relational signifiers with strangers.
 
4:30 PM
> I'm more cagey about some of my interests with strangers
hmm... it seems I am not socialising in a safe way, because I have not done much of that to the conference delegates
 
@HDE226868 Thanks, posted the answer
Cool question by the way if you ask me :D
 
@Secret For instance when I was invited by my partner attend a Christmas service I kept my mouth shut about my atheism for a couple hours, dressed nice, sung a few songs, and had a good time.
 
that's interesting, cause in my case, there are some occassional discussion about opposite worldviews and then we get to learn about the other's worldview even if we don't agree in the end. Anything else you mentioned above in parties applies though
 
@Secret Another example of the difference between friends and strangers is when I talk to my friends I will correct any tiny mistakes with their grammar. If I was talking to a stranger I probably wouldn't.
 
For me, I don't even bother to correct the grammar of anyone who talks to me unless it is important
and sometimes, I got so used to it that my brain sometimes autocorrects it and I often failed to notice the grammatical problem
the autocorrection also lead to bad things like mishearing what the other person is saying, though, causing inconvenient moments where I have to told my friends or the stranger to repeat it
 
4:39 PM
I only do it as a form of joke which is the difference between friends and strangers: with friends there are jokes and rituals you do whereas with strangers there aren't.
 
Guess I have to look deeper in my own friendships to discover what those rituals are, I am so far pretty clueless about my own friendships vs stranger to the level of conference delegates
meanwhile, for total strangers (random people meet outside of any social context, e.g. in the streets), I don't even talk to them unless they talk first, and I will be on high alert on what they are up to
 
@Secret I watch out for people who look like they're lost and ask them if they need help. Other times, people will ask me for help about where to go. Not sure why they pick me to ask over someone else.
 
Yeah
So it seems, at least at the behaviorial level, my social structure is like this:
(total strangers) (dark ages/unknown whatever chasm) (everyone else)
Hopefully I will get some more idea on what lies in that chasm that divides the two
and to figure out how exactly my interactions with my close friends differ from e.g. conference delegates
 
4:57 PM
@AndyD273 ...wasn't thinking of that in particular but yeah could be done.
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Questions

Shard martinCan a lack of diseases in the medieval world lead to overpopulation? In the middle and dark ages, it was necessary for a couple to have as many children as possible, because many children died before reaching adult age. This was mostly due to rampant disease and lack of medical knowledge. In an ...

 
5:58 PM
@James Only double bladed knife that comes to mind... I'm sure there are others that might work better, as it has a kind of complex structure.
Hmm, most of the ones I see when I search look like they'd be more dangerous for the wielder than the opponent.
Just making it into a machete might be useful. Nothing too fancy.
I wonder if there are any forges in my area so I could learn without spending very much
 
6:27 PM
@AndyD273 you good again?
 
worldbuilding.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5732/17720 If this was asked as a question would the people here close it? I feel it is a good enough question but I can't shake a feeling that I am wrong and it is opinion based.
 
@dot_Sp0T Yeah. I don't have many buttons, but that topic pushes most of them.
 
@AndyD273 no hard feelings then? I did not intend to push you and will refrain from that topic when possible now that I know that
 
No worries
 
@Bellerophon It's answerable but not specific. Any reason to create a reason people have ever had or will have for creating a religion is a valid answer to the question and there is no good mechanism to compare them. I've even read stories where religions were created by accident.
 
6:31 PM
Sweet, love you man!
 
@Bellerophon Shard has a lot of great ideas but most of their questions aren't good fits for this site.
@Bellerophon That being said I like their ideas and really hope that they turn those ideas into a work of fiction that they share with us.
 
@sphennings Good thing he found his way to Universe Factory
 
@Secespitus That's great!
 
@Secespitus I saw your answer earlier and upvoted, but didn't say anything. Thank you; it's quite good. Same goes for @sphennings; the parietal eye is quite a good idea for a starting point.
 
@HDE226868 Thanks. I quite like how my answer both outlines the most likely starting point and explains why this is unlikely to happen.
 
6:46 PM
I like big owls
 
@sphennings Quite true. I forgot that the visual cortex have to be enlarged. Although at least it supports my assumption that such a system would be way to complex to have arisen suddenly on more complex life forms, rather than simpler ones.
 
@HDE226868 Further, it's likely than far more creatures on this planet have fore and aft eye sets than a single species. That's such a basic structure that it feels like it should be really old (to me). Along the lines of the age of five digits for creatures on earth.
 
@Green Yeah, I wrote that in the question.
> I'm assuming that this sort of adaptation occurs in many other creatures in this world that would otherwise have normal binocular vision. An extra set of eyes requires a more complicated system of nerves and muscles, and it seems likely that this evolved quite slowly over time. Therefore, I'd bet that more than one species has evolved with this sort of property.
 
@HDE226868 Early tetrapod fossils have it so it's a feature that mammals and birds have lost.
 
@HDE226868 Ooops. I skipped to reading the answers instead of reading the whole question first. Sorry.
 
6:51 PM
No worries.
 
@dot_Sp0T :)
 
@sphennings Krogans are tetrapod :D
 
7:35 PM
@AndyD273 Yeah double bladed weapons (with the exception of the axe probably) are more trouble than they are worth.
...cool as they look.
 
What is the point of an axe's second blade? Do you do uppercuts with an axe?
 
And I'd say a double bladed axe barely counts... Since both blades are far removed from the wielder. I'd suggest they are closer to double edged than double bladed... But I'm not an authority.
 
@Bellerophon Just talking about an axe like this
 
@Bellerophon Probable so you can cut on the back swing. Similar to a double edged sword
 
@Bellerophon If you look at most historical examples of fighting axes they aren't double bitted like that.
 
7:44 PM
Man are they cool looking though :D
 
@James That they are. I wish more people on this site would accept handwaving and the rule of cool more regularly.
 
What about Halberds or Boarding Axes? Aren't they cool as well?
 
@dot_Sp0T I wish more works of fantasy would appreciate that pole arms are awesome
 
@sphennings if you consider Dungeons & Dragons as a work of fantasy then you'll feel right at home
 
@dot_Sp0T DnD really undervalues the spear and overvalues the sword. Traditionally swords were a side arm and backup weapon.
 
7:57 PM
@sphennings dang you must've never taken the Polearm Master feat then
 
No one using the quadruple bladed axe?
Apologies for the poor quality. That is an early draft version of the model.
 
@dot_Sp0T I haven't played 5th edition.
 
Also naturally there is Spear Master - alas it's not half that good
@sphennings There seems to be a bunch of fun pole-arm feats - alas that's three feats compared to the one in fifth edition (yet iirc you get a feat every level in 4e, don't you?)
@Bellerophon Are you going for some sort of Medieval Star Wars?
 
@dot_Sp0T 4th ed was a mess. Definitely my least favorite of 1,2,3,3.5,4,pathfinder.
 
oh dear, seems I cannot make you happy
 
8:11 PM
@dot_Sp0T From what I've seen it's a design decision to not have one weapon be strictly better. Which unfortunately isn't the case in the real world.
 
@sphennings ah there are real world disadvantages to polearms
 
@dot_Sp0T Sure. I can't carry a pole arm with me to work. It's hard to fit them in my car. They're not useful if I need to defend myself on the subway.
@dot_Sp0T Luckily I don't need to defend myself on a regular basis.
 
@sphennings People would definitely give you space though.
 
@sphennings you forgot the second amendment!
 
@dot_Sp0T There are lots of restrictions on bladed weapons in the US. It varies a lot by state. Massachusetts tends to be pretty restrictive about such things.
 
8:15 PM
@sphennings no, I mean about weaknesses to polearms
polearms are no match against a gun
It might be my eastern views clouding my judgement
 
@dot_Sp0T Though If I'm getting shot at something has gone horribly wrong.
 
@sphennings something going horribly wrong for one person might be going terribly well for the other side of the equation. Alas I'm getting macabre
 
I think for most people if they're needing to engage in violence something has gone wrong. Even a mugger would rather intimidate me into handing over my wallet than get in a fight.
 
8:40 PM
Polearms can be pretty awesome in 5e. I'd generally agree with you on 4e too...as a role playing game it was lame, though if you view it as a board game its not half bad.
 
8:56 PM
@sphennings I'm pretty sure I saw that Texas just approved open carry of swords...
 
@James I saw that.
 
I make fun of Texas a lot...for a multitude of reasons but...gotta say, I can get behind this idea.
 
@James what about their instruments? I heard they had the best
 
@dot_Sp0T You'll find no better Tuba anywhere.
 
@dot_Sp0T Meh, Eragon's already done that. Although they didn't have 4 bladed axes.
 
9:03 PM
...is tuba funnier than trombone?
@Bellerophon I'm listening to the last book right now :D
 
Tuba is bigger and has a sillier noise but you don't get the comedy of a slide thingy.
 
@Bellerophon Man this is hard. We need to create a standard list of instruments by funniness...
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@James If you really want to mess with texans show them a map of their state superimposed over Alaska.
 
lol
 
@sphennings you'll need to do that for me now please
 
9:07 PM
It's not quite to scale.
 
ok
do they have Porsche issues?
 
@James Jinx
A big problem is that most naive approaches don't account for how map projection distorts apparent size.
@dot_Sp0T Other interesting Alaska facts: Alaska Is the northernmost, westernmost and easternmost state in the united states.
 
@sphennings knew that; alas the definition is..........convenient
 
9:18 PM
@dot_Sp0T We (The United States of America) didn't set the prime meridian.
 
@sphennings Actually, you kind of did.
 
@sphennings it's surprising how much Americans cling to their symbols of oppression
 
@dot_Sp0T Which are you referring to?
 
@Bellerophon We may have ratified it but before that the US was using a set of prime meridians that ran through Washington DC.
 
@James one foot at a time they're inching towars miles of... okay can't think of anything fitting, I shoehorned that one
 
9:20 PM
@dot_Sp0T That came from the brits unless I am mistaken...which incidentally stemmed from the Romans.
At least that's how I understand it.
 
@sphennings Sure, but when there was the conference on where to put the prime meridian it was going to be in Paris until the USA decided the French were getting too cocky about having the international standards for measurement so basically made it get put in Greenwich.
 
@Bellerophon If you know of a writeup of the politics that went into the decision to settle on Greenwich as the standard prime meridian. I'd find that fascinating to read up on.
 
There is a chapter on it in Map Addict (mikeparker.org.uk/mapaddict.html). That's where I read about it.
 
@Bellerophon I'll need to check that out. Thanks!
 
Hey quick question: Does anyone here have a Medium account they can check?
Mine's not letting me load notifications.
 
9:35 PM
@HDE226868 what needs checking?
 
@Green If you can look at your notifications (the bell button).
 
@HDE226868 I can load the list when I click on the bell. I don't have any new notifications so I can't test that functionality for you.
 
@Green Okay, thanks. I'll try again later.
 
@HDE226868 np
 
Oooh, it works now. It might have been an Internet thing on my end. Thanks for checking.
 
9:42 PM
Probably caching.
 
Nah, this was for a notification I got 6 or so hours ago.
And I'd seen it earlier.
 
Anyone got a good guess on the number of/focus on nuclear shelters built since after the cold-war era?
 
@dot_Sp0T That could be difficult in the US since there was a large government push for citizens to create individual fallout shelters during the cold war. Even with the cold war being over there are now a lot of "preppers" who are funding the creation of their own survival shelters on private land.
 
@dot_Sp0T Easy hundreds of thousands, possibly millions.
 
Yeah, but like bigger complexes and what-not
compared to the cold-war era there's probably way less development, would you agree?
 
10:00 PM
@dot_Sp0T There's still a smattering of fall-out shelter signs on buildings around Boston. So easily hundreds still in the city. By now, I'd guess most of them have been repurposed into something else.
 
Well, I'll just go with my guess I guess. Private fallout shelters are mostly pebbles in the wake of a nuclear winter
 
10:52 PM
nighto!
 
@Secret I'm interested in any additional insights you have on that article from earlier.
 
11:46 PM
hey there @Gryphon and @Green
 

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