The Nineteenth Byte

1:00 PM

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Back to the Basics of Math code-golfarithmeticintegernumbersequence Introduction: We all know these three basic arithmetic math tables I assume. ADDITION: + | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ---------------------------------- 1 | 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 2 | 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 1...

Adám

1:11 PM

Would it be appropriate to add a community ad for an APL-only codegolf site?

DJMcMayhem

Of course

You can add a community ad for anything you like. If the community doesn't like it, it'll just be downvoted

Adám

@DJMcMayhem Cool. One of our customers ran a 9-hole codegolf tournament during our user meeting, and it was so well-liked that they want to make another one which is open to the public.

HyperNeutrino

1:38 PM

> If the community doesn't like it, it'll just be downvoted

accurate description of how SE itself works lol

Question: I'm designing a golfing language attempting to be shorter than Jelly for certain types of challenges; what categories should I try to target?

I'm thinking mostly math, matrix, and array-manipulation

maybe sequence as well

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino ascii-art :P

HyperNeutrino

:P

no I'd never be able to beat Charcoal

you can see how my last attempt went

Also, does it make more sense for forks to associate left or right?

Magic Octopus Urn

@ASCII-only WTH is a vine.

HyperNeutrino

@MagicOctopusUrn you don't know what a vine is o_O

it's a video uploading platform where each video has like a 7 second limit or something like that

Magic Octopus Urn

@HyperNeutrino so it's a public snapchat?

HyperNeutrino

1:45 PM

it was an interesting idea to share short funny films or maybe inspirational messages but it's dying I think

@MagicOctopusUrn sure?

Magic Octopus Urn

@HyperNeutrino odd... anyway, back to lurking.

HyperNeutrino

@MagicOctopusUrn pls first give me idea for in which general category of PPCG challenge I should try to have my language outgolf Jelly

Erik the Outgolfer

@HyperNeutrino that joke is becoming old...:p

HyperNeutrino

:P

but I'm actually planning on trying this time

@EriktheOutgolfer How does f g h j k l behave as a series of dyads in Jelly?

Erik the Outgolfer

at the very start of a line?

because in that case they behave differently

HyperNeutrino

1:49 PM

like on its own

Erik the Outgolfer

like (f g h) j k l

f g h forks like g(f(x, y), h(x, y))

HyperNeutrino

ok so fgh is a fork and then what does jkl do?

(to rephrase my question, how does ð f g h j k l ð behave)

How to outgolf Jelly: Rename some of the atoms so that you get shorter builtins :D

Erik the Outgolfer

final result should be l(k(j(g(f(x, y), h(x, y)), x), y), y)

HyperNeutrino

ah ok

Erik the Outgolfer

like this for reference

HyperNeutrino

1:51 PM

so my idea for my language is slightly different in at least one way

@EriktheOutgolfer thanks

Also ,,,,,, makes it slightly clearer

Erik the Outgolfer

hmm...

HyperNeutrino

1ð,,,,,,ð2 gives [[[[1, 2], [1, 2]], [1, 2]], 2]

Adám

@HyperNeutrino In J, A (f g h j k l) B is A f ((A g B) h ((A j B) k (A l B))) but in APL it is f ((A g B) h ((A j B) k (A l B))) (with f applied as a monad).

HyperNeutrino

ah ok thanks

Erik the Outgolfer

@HyperNeutrino yeah tbf I haven't really used a so long run of dyads

HyperNeutrino

1:53 PM

mhm yup :P

Erik the Outgolfer

apparently it's doing the "fibonacci" thing there...

HyperNeutrino

in my language A (f g h j k l) B would look something like (((A f B) g (A h B)) j (A k B)) l B

@EriktheOutgolfer huh?

Adám

@HyperNeutrino OK, that's just mirrored J.

HyperNeutrino

so like it forks the first three to form a new dyad and then it forks (fgh), j, and k

Erik the Outgolfer

I can see it behaves like (,,,),(,)

HyperNeutrino

1:55 PM

@Adám o

Erik the Outgolfer

@HyperNeutrino yeah

HyperNeutrino

huh

I wonder which one's golfier

Erik the Outgolfer

and this behaves likewise like ((,,,),,),,

HyperNeutrino

huh okay

TuukkaX

Once you use Jelly for a while, is it sufficient to understand a 25 byte program?

Just by looking at it for a while. Not a complex one.

HyperNeutrino

2:01 PM

what do you mean by sufficient

TuukkaX

Not easy, not too hard.

HyperNeutrino

?

Erik the Outgolfer

if you have the tabs open sure

TuukkaX

I'm tired of writing scripts on my phone

Erik the Outgolfer

jelly is more like a "write-only" language :p

TuukkaX

2:02 PM

I was thinking that Jelly could reduce typing...

HyperNeutrino

lol

@TuukkaX if you like copy-pasting 5000000 times sure

Erik the Outgolfer

reduce??? it uses unicode chars in its encoding

HyperNeutrino

but if you're thinking about using Jelly for production code, please reconsider your existence

you can't type most of the characters lol

TuukkaX

production - Jelly ? No such thing

HyperNeutrino

use Pyth to reduce typing

^^

TuukkaX

2:03 PM

Yeah, but I could work around the unicode thing

Pyth sounds nice...

Erik the Outgolfer

with all chars though?

HyperNeutrino

you'd need a lot of copy-paste or you'd need a custom keyboard layout

TuukkaX

Custom keyboard would do it

Erik the Outgolfer

he's on a phone, not sure if such a layout exists?

TuukkaX

There must be. I'm running Android

HyperNeutrino

2:05 PM

oh also I'm designing my language to use mostly characters that my keyboard supports

I think it's the Android Multi-Lingual Standard keyboard but idk

TuukkaX

Seems like a good thing to go for!

caird coinheringaahing

@EriktheOutgolfer Nah, if I try, I can decipher most Jelly scripts under about 30 bytes. Otherwise, I'm stumped :P

HyperNeutrino

I often forget which built-in is which

like is f with the dot filter-in or filter-out? (I know it's filter-out in this case because I just used it yesterday but still :P)

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Beat you to it. That's what Levant's (my new language) primary code page is designed around :P

HyperNeutrino

and like is A with the dot on top Any and All or is that the one with the dot under it?

@cairdcoinheringaahing lol my ideas have never been original

caird coinheringaahing

2:10 PM

@HyperNeutrino looks at Proton, then at JavaScript and Python :P

HyperNeutrino

well that was designed to combine the best of both (also, Cheddar)

TuukkaX

@cairdcoinheringaahing Under 30, by head only?

caird coinheringaahing

@TuukkaX Normally yeah. It depends on the atoms and quicks used though

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing Without looking on PPCG for my answer, decipher Ḋ=⁶Ḣ$¡UµÐĿ¹Ṛƭ€QY

(unless you've seen this answer already)

TuukkaX

@cairdcoinheringaahing Interesting. I'll probably learn Jelly sometime next month then!

HyperNeutrino

2:13 PM

Jelly Hypertraining

Practice your Jelly :) Rules and stuff are here: golfingsucces...

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino dequeue if the first character is a space, then reverse. Repeat that until the results no longer change. Next alternate between reversing and doing nothing. Finally deduplicate then join by newlines. And, without looking on main, I swear, I can tell you exactly what challenge that is for. The "Undress a string" challenge.

HyperNeutrino

mhm nice

now lemme find a harder one :P

caird coinheringaahing

All hail the Jelly reader! :P

TuukkaX

:D

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing ಠ_ಠ

Decipher the following:

2ị⁼Ṁ
0;;0ṡ3Ç€Tị

TuukkaX

2:16 PM

pastes malbolge

HyperNeutrino

(not actually harder lol)

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Fine, but last one. I have work to do

HyperNeutrino

ok :P

(says while on TNB)

TuukkaX

TNB = ?

HyperNeutrino

@TuukkaX The Nineteenth Byte

TuukkaX

2:18 PM

Ah, obviously :-P

HyperNeutrino

:P

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Monadic or dyadic? I'm guessing dyadic, but just wanted to check

HyperNeutrino

monadic

what the heck

why am I using map, truthy, index

why not just filter

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Append and prepend 0 to the input list, then split at 3s. Call the helper link on each, then make that into a list of truthy and falsey values and index the argument into that list. Helper link: Is the index of that into 2 equal to the minimum of the list?

I'm not sure about that, that one is more difficult

HyperNeutrino

oh it is harder? huh

not quite; the s with a dot means "overlapping slices of length"

caird coinheringaahing

2:21 PM

@HyperNeutrino Hehe

HyperNeutrino

lol

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Shhh, you're making me look bad :P

HyperNeutrino

so it appends and prepends 0 to the input list, and then slices it into overlapping slices of length 3. It calls the helper link on each, gets the indices of truthy values, and then takes elements from the original list at those indices. the helper link checks if the second element is equal to the maximum (if the middle is a local maximum). this program gets all local maxima

(I know because I wrote this code lol)

Here's a fun one for when you finish your work: Ḋm2Qµ³m2Q;Ṣe“nu“mw“bq”ȧ³⁼U¤

caird coinheringaahing

Notice: In ~40 minutes, I'm leaving PPCG and never coming back. (Well for a week) preemptive o/

HyperNeutrino

o :( work-related stuff?

caird coinheringaahing

2:24 PM

@HyperNeutrino I have a big project coming up and can't get distracted so :/

HyperNeutrino

ah ok

caird coinheringaahing

@MetaEd How often do you change your profile picture?

HyperNeutrino

hey I found my first Jelly solution on PPCG

MetaEd

@cairdcoinheringaahing Whenever I think to check the calendar.

@cairdcoinheringaahing Nothing coming up soon except Oktoberfest.

caird coinheringaahing

@MetaEd books tickets to Germany Thanks for reminding me :P

MetaEd

2:30 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Bitte zehr.

HyperNeutrino

Ich spreche nicht Deutsch (?) :(

(trusting google translate on that one :P)

MetaEd

Wie schade.

HyperNeutrino

Es ist eine interessante sprache (?) (translate, again)

flawr

Das Neunzehnte Byte

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Non, tu parles francais (ca't type a cidilla)

ಠ_ಠ Forgot my french lesson from today

HyperNeutrino

2:33 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing oui je parle un petit peu de francais

flawr

Le Dix-Neuvième Byte

HyperNeutrino

dan4 shi4 ni3 hui4 jiang3 zhong1 wen2 me?

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino I don't speak Mandarin

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing nice job identifying it though

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino I didn't think it had so many numbers though :P

flawr

2:34 PM

Why are there so many numbers?

HyperNeutrino

(the question asked is "but, do you speak Chinese?") (where zhong1 wen2 means "Chinese" but really is "Mandarin")

Each Mandarin word has one of 4 accents for a total of 5 variations: 1 through 4 and unaccented

MetaEd

Parli italiano?

caird coinheringaahing

Je parle un petit peu francais und ich spreche ein bisschen Deutsch. I prefer German though :P

HyperNeutrino

@MetaEd no (polyglot between english and italian :D)

Magic Octopus Urn

@HyperNeutrino Uhhh... no idea lol.

HyperNeutrino

2:36 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Je parle un petit peu de francais et ich spreche sehr wenig deutsch. I prefer English though :P

@MagicOctopusUrn ah ok :P

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Ek verkies Afrikaans

HyperNeutrino

uh wat

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Afrikaans

MetaEd

@cairdcoinheringaahing My skeertuig is vol palings.

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing well yeah duh :P

我更喜欢国语

caird coinheringaahing

2:38 PM

@MetaEd Either you know an insane number of languages, or you're using google translate :P

HyperNeutrino

(I used Google Translate on that but from Chinese -> English interestingly enough :P)

MetaEd

@cairdcoinheringaahing I know some German and a little Italian and Spanish.

HyperNeutrino

(Also, Cantonese has 6 accents; it has 3 of the Mandarin accents and then the same 3 accents except higher up)

caird coinheringaahing

@MetaEd I'm guessing Afrikaans or Dutch?

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing Google Translate apparently thinks it's English :P

MetaEd

2:39 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing It's a Monty Python reference.

HyperNeutrino

skeertuig is Afrikaans for hovercraft

MetaEd

Dirty Hungarian Phrasebook

"Dirty Hungarian Phrasebook" is a Monty Python sketch. It first aired in 1970 on Monty Python's Flying Circus as part of Episode 25. An inspiration for the sketch may be English As She Is Spoke, a 19th century Portuguese–English phrase book regarded as a classic source of unintentional humour, as the given English translations are generally completely incoherent. == Plot == A Hungarian (John Cleese) enters a tobacconist's shop carrying a phrasebook and begins a dialogue with the tobacconist (Terry Jones); he wants to buy cigarettes but his phrasebook's translations are wholly inaccurate and have...

caird coinheringaahing

@MetaEd I only know Life of Brian from Monty Puthon

HyperNeutrino

oh that's where hovercraft full of eels got his/her name from

Geobits

You don't know that. It could be they own an actual hovercraft full of eels.

HyperNeutrino

2:44 PM

:o

but presumably that's where though technically fine yes I have no proof :P

Geobits

Technically correct is the best kind of correct :p

HyperNeutrino

:P

anyway gtg now o/

Thomas Ward

you're not allowed to leave :p

lol just kidding ;)

flawr

all hide, Mr. Laser Eyes Diamond Sledgehammer is here!

Thomas Ward

i don't have the hammer today, I left it in the bunker.

sips coffee

Geobits

2:48 PM

glances over, curses at lack of coffee, sips monster instead

caird coinheringaahing

reaches for drink, accidentally spill it on compu....

flawr

awkwardly looks what the others are doing

Thomas Ward

coughs and the room suddenly goes dark

... oops :P

flawr

looks for the torch

Neil

who needs a torch when you've got laser eyes?

flawr

2:58 PM

doesn't have laser eyes

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Neil

I didn't say they had to be your laser eyes

Thomas Ward

my laser eyes aren't firing right now what you're seeing is the Borg implants on my head emitting lazers for enhanced scanning

Geobits

Deja vu is strong in here right now

Thomas Ward

@Geobits we're all crazy aren't we :p

flawr

3:01 PM

Yes you are all crazy.

Thomas Ward

@flawr how do you know that we aren't just all constructs of your own mind and therefore YOU are the crazy one

Geobits

Crazy? Yes. All? Yes. Aren't? No.

flawr

@ThomasWard ~~Cause I have a really dirty mind.~~

caird coinheringaahing

@ThomasWard Given that the four users who are talking at the moment are a downvote, a dog, a blindworm and a lazer-eyed alien, I'd say we're most definitely crazy :P

Geobits

Not a snake

Thomas Ward

3:03 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing heh

flawr

*blindworm

caird coinheringaahing

@flawr Fixed :P

Geobits

And I'm not a downvote either. I just play one online.

caird coinheringaahing

@Geobits Are you saying that I'm not a dog?

flawr

Downvoter-impersonator

Geobits

3:05 PM

I said something about myself only.

caird coinheringaahing

Q: Is it possible to view the SE source code?

Geobits

A: Yes

(depending on whether you have access to it. and eyes)

caird coinheringaahing

@Geobits Q: How?

flawr

A: With your lazer eyes.

Thomas Ward

A2: By summoning CTHULU and having him deliver the code.

Adám

3:07 PM

@TuukkaX Maybe consider APL (there is an Android keyboard) or J (ASCII only) to reduce typing? They are usually not as concise as Jelly, but they are real world production class languages made with general applicability (rather than golfing) in mind.

Geobits

I'll never understand people spelling laser with a z o_O

flawr

because it is lizard and not lisard

caird coinheringaahing

@ThomasWard Got Cthulhu, but it's not getting me the code D:

Adám

@Geobits ztimulated

Geobits

@flawr But 'laser' is an acronym with no Z in it :/

caird coinheringaahing

3:08 PM

> Lazer may refer to:

A misspelling of laser

Wikipedia is on Geobits' side

flawr

@Geobits well now it iz :)

Geobits

I'm gonna have to start saying 'raydar' now, just to mess with people.

@cairdcoinheringaahing Of course it is. I wrote it.

All of it.

Adám

@Geobits At our user meeting, there was a guy named Ray Cannon (yes really) who demonstrated his autonomous robot which used laser beams to detect surface edges. How cool is that‽

flawr

Would be way cooler if he used lazer beamz.

Geobits

Less than 10C for sure

caird coinheringaahing

3:12 PM

@Adám Cool enough for an interrobang :P

Geobits

Did it do sweeps and look for sudden changes in reflection distance?

Adám

@Geobits Actually, it had multiple beams and did sweeps and looked for where the normal pattern was missing.

Geobits

Nice :)

flawr

So basically a reverse light house?

Neil

Ray Tube would have been better. He's the cousin of the Odes: Ann, Cath and Di.

Geobits

3:14 PM

Airborne weather radar does much the same thing, at least the fancy ones.

But it's mainly looking for changes in density, since you mainly get partial reflections from clouds, depending on density

Adám

Actually, it was even cooler as it was a Pirate Bot (based on Raspberry Pi), complete with pirate face, hat, and speaker blasting out sailor tunes while exploring the maze.

Too bad the lasers weren't mounted as eyes on a shark. Maybe next version!

Geobits

Yes, that's definitely cooler than either the name or the function.

And both of those are cool

caird coinheringaahing

Python CMC: Using a string beginning with r' (repr string), output only \

Geobits

Tell him I expect them be available online very shortly.

Pavel

I feel like I jut missed a very intresting conversation

@cairdcoinheringaahing Huh? Test case please

Thomas Ward

3:19 PM

@Pavel assuming you equate chaos to interesting things, then :P

Pavel

Well chaos is intresting, but not all intresting things are chaotic

caird coinheringaahing

@Pavel print the character \ using a repr string (e.g. r'\n' == the characters \ and n, not a newline)

Geobits

Chaos is interesting in its own way. Ian Malcolm would surely agree if he were able to.

Pavel

This is the first time I've ever seen a four-day-old message on the starboard of TNB.

caird coinheringaahing

And with that, I must take my week-long leave of absence from PPCG (and TNB) o/

Geobits

3:20 PM

@Pavel Because we don't like stars anymore

flawr

Yep, we like lasers now.

Geobits

And pirate bots

Pavel

@cairdcoinheringaahing C#: @"\"

(C# rawstring literals function like VB.NET string literals, in which the only escape sequence is "" to escape a quote mark.)

101

Q: Why can't Python's raw string literals end with a single backslash?

Technically, any odd number of backslashes, as described in the docs. >>> r'\' File "<stdin>", line 1 r'\' ^ SyntaxError: EOL while scanning string literal >>> r'\\' '\\\\' >>> r'\\\' File "<stdin>", line 1 r'\\\' ^ SyntaxError: EOL while scanning string literal It ...

AdmBorkBork

This is why PowerShell uses backtick as its escape key

Pavel

That's intresting. I like that.

Does powershell have rawstrings?

Can those contain a single backtick?

Geobits

3:28 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing I don't even python, but this seems to fit your weak rules: print r'\\'[0]

AdmBorkBork

Single-quote strings don't parse the string, only double-quote, so single-quote-backtick-single-quote is just a string literal composed of solely a backtick.

But can you imagine trying to write out Windows paths with backslashes if every one needed escaping? Ugh.

Hence, backtick.

Pavel

No it makes perfects sense

I like that a lot, actually.

@AdmBorkBork So single-quoted string can't contain single-quotes?

AdmBorkBork

@Pavel No, not that I'm aware.

Adám

Ugh, all these escape rules. APL strings are so simple: Single-quote-quoted. Single-quotes are doubled. Period.

Pavel

I think C# rawstrings might be the most superior.

@Adám So like C# rawstrings with single quotes instead of double quotes. Got it.

AdmBorkBork

3:35 PM

@Pavel Huh. Apparently if you double-single-quote inside, it's counted as a single quote inside. So, guess I was wrong.

Adám

@Pavel Yeah, but extra @ syntax, and imho, single quotes are easier to read, especially when they need to be doubled. Compare @"Joe said ""Hello"" to me" to 'Joe said ''Hello'' to me'

AdmBorkBork

So PowerShell single-quote strings seem to function just like APL single-quote strings.

dzaima

This all quote talk makes me want to finally put my horrible unfinished language on github. But instead, now I'm gonna close all of PPCG so I could finally work on this project I should have done already. :p

Adám

@AdmBorkBork Seems so. But APL only has these, and no other strings. KISS.

Thomas Ward

@Geobits print(r'\\'[0]) for Py3 but same difference :P

Pavel

4:31 PM

@Adám how do I put null bytes in string without \0

And there are times when I'd rather use \n over a literal newline

DJMcMayhem

Question: I'm about to write up a challenge that involves repeating some function on an array a certain number of times. The number of times you need to repeat it is very consistent except for with an input of 2. Should I say all inputs will be >2, or make people handle that edge-case?

(For more detail, you need to repeat the function until you arrive at the original array, which, if the array has length n, will always take n steps for odd n, 1 step for n == 2, and 2 steps for even n)

2 is just a weird edge case

dzaima

I'd say no to edge cases for anything because it distracts from the main goal, unless there's a good (and usable in code) reason for the edge case or the edge case is the point of the challenge.

DJMcMayhem

4:48 PM

Well in this case, the reason for it is because it simply takes one step to return to the original array if it's length 2. Which is usable in code, but then answers couldn't precompute the number of iterations to run.

I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing though

dzaima

Though I don't make many challenges, I try to allow any small potential variations or weird behaviour just to not give an advantage to languages which have a built-in to deal with the specific problem and to not disadvantage languages made for the challenge by adding silly restrictions. IMO a small edge case is as bad as only allowing output to STDOUT - some languages will benefit, some not.

DJMcMayhem

Hmm. Yeah, I'd agree with that. I'll just restrict it to >3 in that case.

dzaima

for example, SOGLs 1 byte ⁾ - subtract 2 - could benefit SOGL at an edge case for 2

but I guess ultimately golfing is about having the most built-ins :p

DJMcMayhem

Well, I can tell you that would not help in this case haha

Giuseppe

5:06 PM

@dzaima well, as long as they're short

dzaima

@Giuseppe Well a 40 byte Mathematica answer that is two functions and syntax sugar is much more interesting than a complicated 15 byte jelly answer and can easily get more upvotes

Maltysen

@DJMcMayhem i don't see why that's a edge case

if u return to the original array twice

it'll be still the original arrray

unless that's an auxillary part of the challenge

Adám

@Pavel 'null byte:',⎕UCS 0

Erik the Outgolfer

5:22 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing print'\\'+r''

what, I used an r string

Alex K Chen

Is there more efficient way to update the position of a moving ball in tkinter except delete it and create new one and then update the canvas ?

Maltysen

u mean on the canvas widget?

that's prolly the best way

Geobits

What kind of objects wouldn't be able to just be moved? Is there no move or way to update the coords at all?

Alex K Chen

Isn't that ridiculously slow ? I mean I am planning to a double pendulum, and that thing should be ridiculously slow to observe the velocity properly.

Maltysen

@AlexKChen well is there a reason ur using tkinter instead of pygames or something

cuz that does the whole redrawing thing, but fast

Alex K Chen

5:37 PM

Well firstly I don't know pygames (but I know vpython), and secondly I like doing things for scratch (and I heard that everything is ready in pygames)

Maltysen

@AlexKChen 1)tkinter really isn't meant to be used for graphics

2) pygames is definitely not high level

DJMcMayhem

Pygame is basically MS paint with scripting

7

And it's a lot of fun. It's how I first got into programming

Geobits

Damn kids these days

:P

Maltysen

(I've actually made a high level library on top of pygames pypi.python.org/pypi/SuperWires)

but u said u wanted to go from scratch

Alex K Chen

Lol... the other day someone told me different (chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/39747508#39747508).

BTW, what's the demopanels module given pyinmyeye.blogspot.in/2012/08/tkinter-pendulum-demo.html

AdmBorkBork

5:47 PM

@DJMcMayhem I got my start on a Commodore in BASIC, following the instructions in the back of a manual to make a little PETSCII "bird" fly around the screen.

Alex K Chen

Bye all, se ya later !

Geobits

@AdmBorkBork Pfft, Commodore. Tandy 1000 for life

DJMcMayhem

@AdmBorkBork And then you rode off on a dinosaur? :P

Geobits

By then the dinosaurs had just started dying out, so it was considered rude to ride them.

AdmBorkBork

@Geobits Well, the Tandy 1000 was a completely different animal than my VIC-20. For starters, it came out several years later and cost like 4x as much as the VIC-20. :p

Geobits

5:59 PM

Right. So it was better. I said that :p

AdmBorkBork

I still have my VIC-20. I wonder if it still boots.

Geobits

If it doesn't, boot it.

Helka Homba

6:40 PM

Hopefully not a dupe.

DJMcMayhem

Ha! That's funny. I had the exact same idea (even down to the characters used) a while ago, but never got around to it.

Helka Homba

I know I did something similar before with - and | but I can't be bothered to look through all my question history :|

TuukkaX

@Adám I actually thought about APL, but considered it absurd. Now that I looked into it, I found that the google play store has an app: sAPL, that's able to interpret APL! Thanks for the suggestion! :)

Adám

@TuukkaX Also TryAPL.org and tio.run/#apl-dyalog and ngn.github.io/apl/web/

dzaima

@TuukkaX That app unfortunately doesn't have all the cool Dyalog stuff like function definiton with {}, ¨ (from what I can tell), and strangely shaped arrays :/

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Q: Illustrate the Least Common Multiple

Given two positive integers, A and B, illustrate their least common multiple by outputting two lines of dashes (-) with length LCM(A, B) after replacing every Ath dash in the first line and every Bth dash in the second line with vertical bars (|). In this way, the end of each line will be the on...

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dzaima

@NewMainPosts even if SOGL had LCM I don't think it'd do well :/

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