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3:00 PM
@AccidentalFourierTransform Weinberg 15.3 was precisely the right place to look, thanks.
 
Hey guys! I have a question regarding Neutron stars: By the application of Birkhoff's theorem, we can conclude that a spherically symmetric gravitating object, such as a pulsating star, cannot emit gravitational waves, nor can it gravitationally radiate away its mass.
Although I know that Neutron stars are not perfectly spherically symmetric, wouldn't the application of Birkhoff theorem suggest that their oscillations give rise to gravitational waves weaker in magnitude as compared to that observed from black holes?
 
If they are isolated, yes
if they're in orbits with other bodies, no
Basically all detectable g-waves are from systems of multiple bodies
 
So, all the gravitational waves observed from the oscillations of Neutron stars were actually from binaries, quaternaries, etc.?
And what is your comment regarding the magnitude of the g-waves? The more spherically symmetric an object is, the more though it is to observe the waves right?
 
@Slereah I forgot all about a book I ordered!
Surprise Christmas when I get home!
 
@0celoñe7 still makes some rather nice abstract art
but yeah, it renders differently on different machines
 
3:11 PM
@EmilioPisanty works on my PC but not mac
 
that's my ubuntu desktop
I reckon it's likely an outlier
 
That looks very open source
 
@0celoñe7 maybe fontninja it and see how it's getting rendered?
 
@EmilioPisanty walking to my car
 
hmmmm, yeah, for some reason fontface ninja doesn't get along with hbar very well
kills the entire starboard panel
 
3:13 PM
Lol
 
$\LARGE{🤔}$ 🤔
OK, so that's STIX General pulling from Verdana
hmmmmm
weirdly enough, the output here doesn't depend on the mathjax renderer
 
hello
 
@heather hi
 
@NaveenBalaji the GW radiation intensity is related to the quadrupole moment and the frequency that the quadrupole is oscillating. I gave the (approximate) equation in an answer on the site somewhere.
@NaveenBalaji the equation is given here:
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A: Is it possible to produce gravitational waves artificially?

John RennieCalculating the power emitted as gravitational waves is relatively straightforward, and you'll find it described in any advanced work on GR. I found a nice description in Gravitational Waves: Sources, Detectors and Searches. To summarise an awful lot of algebra, the power emitted as gravitational...

 
user228700
@JOHNR! Are u busy? OH, NO, are you gone already?!
 
3:28 PM
I'm here :-)
Did my avatar disappear?
 
user228700
::Breathes a heavy sigh of relief::
 
This sounds ominous ...
 
user228700
@JohnRennie No, no, I had been keeping an eye on ur last seen and it was remaining the same...
 
user228700
@JohnRennie I'm exhausted and starving, which is why there is urgency to the matter; see, I attempted to make mayonnaise before.
 
exhausted and starving - ah what it is to be a teenager :-)
 
user228700
3:31 PM
@JohnRennie -_- I have spent the better part of the past 1.5 hours cycling around my neighborhood (in the dark because there was a powercut) looking for milk.
 
@Kaumudi.H uhhh
 
user228700
@0celoñe7 Wut?
 
Milk? In mayonnaise?
 
user228700
Yes. Full cream milk. I was attempting to make vegetarian mayo.
 
Ah, without eggs?
 
user228700
3:32 PM
Yep.
 
Hmm
 
user228700
I hadn't realised (on my first attempt) that I needed to use full cream milk, so I added non-fat; clearly, it didn't work out.
 
I'm not familiar with that recipe. Anyhow, what's the problem?
 
@0celoñe7 you have a car?
 
user228700
However, now I've got a frothy mixture, which tastes like mayo but isn't creamy at all.
 
Anonymous
3:33 PM
You can buy those eggless mayonnaise readymade from the shops I guess
 
@Mostafa of course?
 
user228700
@Blue Oh, I know, but I was attempting to make them at home, you see.
 
good. I don't
I use public transportation for everything. I'm a good citizen.
 
user228700
And I dunno what to do with this. Do you have any idea as to what can be done?
 
If it tastes like mayonnaise what's the problem? Just eat it.
 
Anonymous
I haven't watched this video
 
Anonymous
Might help :P
 
user228700
@JohnRennie No, no, it's not creamy; it's still liquid, you see.
 
@Kaumudi.H Beat in some flour and warm it? With a bit of luck the flour will thicken it without the emulsion breaking.
 
user228700
Flour, huh? Alright, I'll do that right away! Does anybody else have any suggestions?
 
3:37 PM
Does anybody else have any suggestions - use eggs
 
user228700
Ah, but I can't do that.
 
Anonymous
K is vegetarian vegan I suppose
 
You've used milk. That's an animal product ...
 
user228700
Well, of course, I'm not vegan; I use all sorts of dairy products, except eggs.
 
Anonymous
Then you are half vegetarian :P
 
user228700
3:39 PM
@Blue Nope, I'm not vegan. Only vegetarian.
 
@Kaumudi.H It's perhaps worth noting that taking "vegetarian" to mean "I eat all dairy products except eggs" is not universal, and usually called lacto-vegetarian if you want to avoid misunderstandings.
 
Anonymous
Lacto-vegetarian....need to add this to my vocab :D
 
Also, getting mayonnaise texture right is hard even when you use eggs :P
 
user228700
As I've understood it, the term vegetarian does encompass all those who eat dairy products...
 
3:41 PM
I'm a lachrymose-vegetarian - I eat meat but cry about it
 
@ACuriousMind I was guessing ovumo-vegetarian
 
Anonymous
Is there any term for those who hate vegetables? "Anti-Vegetablarian" or something like that :P
 
user228700
Wtf, wow, lacto-vegetarian, huh. @ACuriousMind: Thanks!
 
user228700
Alright, so back to the dilemma at hand: does anybody else have any other suggestions?
 
@Mostafa Consistency of terminology would demand that to be called an ovo vegetarian (because those who eat both are ovo-lacto vegetarians), but I doubt a significant number of such people exists
 
3:43 PM
@Mostafa A constipated vegetarian?
@Kaumudi.H I can't think of any other way to thicken your mayo without using animal products.
 
What the hell did I just do?
I edited the last message instead of posting a new one
 
You crossed the food event horizon
We're doomed to talk about food now.
 
user228700
@JohnRennie Wokay. Thanks so much! I'll try.
 
user228700
Oh, God, now I gotta make like, 10 sandwiches for everyone in addition to fixing the mayo. Bye :'-(
 
cya
 
3:45 PM
@Kaumudi.H take care with heating the mixture after you've added the flour as there's a risk it will break.
 
user228700
I'll keep that in mind, thanks.
 
Anonymous
@Mostafa Are dates bad for my teeth? I have a whole packet in front of me while I'm wondering how many I should eat...
 
@Blue It has a lot of sugar so yes (especially if sticks to your teeth)
 
@Blue provided you resist the temptation to crunch up the stones you should be fine. Just brush your teeth afterwards.
 
Anonymous
Uh oh....:P
 
3:48 PM
I advise against eating your dates, it's hard to get past the first one with that method.
 
And the answer to how many should I eat is always all of them. That's a universal law of physics.
 
Anonymous
Colgate time after my date is over :P
 
@JohnRennie The bacteria in your mouth start producing acids as soon as sugar is made available to them, demineralizing your teeth
 
Anonymous
@ACuriousMind lol :'D If only "dates" were available in packets
 
@ACuriousMind what does a cannibal do after dumping his girlfriend?
 
3:50 PM
No.
 
:: John reconsiders ::
 
I see where your old dirty mind is going ;P
 
@ACuriousMind where? explain plz
 
It's not an old dirty mind. It's an immature dirty mind :-)
@Mostafa just Google the joke ...
 
@Mostafa It's a pun on the meaning of "dump" :P
 
3:55 PM
@Mostafa I resent the implication that not using public transportation makes me a bad citizen.
You're assuming there is public transportation from where I live to my job, to the stores, etc.
@JohnRennie Wipe?
 
@EmilioPisanty: there is an expt at CERN to see which way anti-hydrogen falls.
Though at the moment I think the errors bars are pretty large.
 
@JohnRennie yeah, I know, I was just having a soft jab at your answer
 
@0celoñe7 I'm not saying not using public transportation makes you a bad citizen.
 
@JohnRennie Are you like one of these wines who are still "young" after half a century? ;)
 
@ACuriousMind I have the rest of my life to be grown up in so there's no reason to start just yet.
 
4:00 PM
btw @JohnRennie since you're here, do you mind having a look at this one?
 
You have a growth mind set :-)
Akin to neuroplasticity
 
@EmilioPisanty what about it?
 
@JohnRennie it would be nice if that instance of the general-physics tag were not present
in the road to completely removing the tag
but several of us have come up empty on other tags that might apply
 
physical-constants?
 
@JohnRennie ugh. I guess so, yeah
does a disservice to the tag, but it does vaguely fit
 
4:06 PM
Personally I'd vote to delete the question and the problem goes away ...
 
Sometimes I wonder...why is this question hot? Are people really that baffled by an otherwise smart teenager failing to apply said smarts to someone she's infatuated with? Is "love/attraction makes people do stupid things" that obscure a concept, when it is a basic conceit of so many stories?
 
@JohnRennie yes, that is an attractive option
 
@JohnRennie I think Emilio's trying to get you to vote to delete ;)
 
@ACuriousMind I already did :-)
 
@ACuriousMind no such thing
mostly
but @dmckee did mention that we should ping him if the question ever got two delete votes
 
4:10 PM
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Q: Where can we see stats of votes on comments?

honeste_vivereI note that we can follow the up-/downvotes on our questions and answers, but there is not a convenient place to find stats on the upvotes on our comments on questions and answers. Is this one of the advanced privileges earned after attaining >10,000 reputation or some other qualifying event?

 
ah
a miracle has happened
@PhysicsMeta no.
 
@EmilioPisanty Boom! :-)
 
@EmilioPisanty Modicle?
 
@dmckee lolz
16 questions remaining with the tag
including some shining examples like
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Q: Does physics have some division schema which divide physical amounts into these two classes?

user3123061Does physics have some division schema which divide amounts into these two classes? : A) amounts which can be counted by natural numbers (for example many units can be counted by number of electrons, photons per second etc.) B) amounts which cannot be counted by natural numbers (time, speed, le...

I mean
units?
numerics?
 
::face palm::
 
4:13 PM
> the history of physics can be described as an evolving possibility of counting more and more things with natural numbers
[citation urgently needed]
 
I want a physical example where we can count to $\aleph_2$
 
I suppose that we've all had moments when we think we see the profound in the mundane, but ...
2
 
But, yeah, I don't see any fitting tags for that question, either
 
terminology?
 
Ah, yes, that fits
 
4:15 PM
Good one.
 
Frankly, that one should have a one liner answer
> Yes: 'discrete' and 'continuous' variables. Now move along.
 
but we rarely need to count beyond the continuum unless we are dealing with functions
 
@ACuriousMind lol who said that?
 
@0celoñe7 link above
 
Well, well. Emboldened by the recent meta question about comment scores I checked my own comment scores.
 
4:21 PM
3
Q: Uncountable set extension for Lebesgue integral?

TonyLet $\Omega_1$ and $\Omega_2$ be two disjoint measurable sets in $\Bbb R$, and then $\int_{{\Omega _1} \cup {\Omega _2}} f = \int_{{\Omega _1}} f + \int_{{\Omega _2}} f $ where $f$ is a measurable function. We call this as "set extension". Let $\Omega_i,i=1,2,...$ be countable many disjoint se...

ok so it does weird things, I rest my case for now
 
And it turns out my highest scoring comment is about testicles. Who could have guessed?
 
Anonymous
@JohnRennie I'm not surprised at all :P
 
"Crown Jewels" indeed.
 
@JohnRennie Anyone who has been to the hbar is well aware of your obsession with those "crown jewels" !!
They also know that you like "piercing them with a knitting needle" ...
And what conclusions you draw when you see someone "walking awkwardly" ...
So, that highly upvoted comment doesn't stack up to the standards you have created in this chatroom !!
 
@JohnRennie Do you have a testicle obsession?
 
4:36 PM
@TheDarkSide That's a bit below the belt! :-)
@0celoñe7 only with my own pair
 
@JohnRennie In a jovial sense? Or in the sense that you want that comment removed?
@JohnRennie Well, :: uhm :: Yes.
:: slow clap ::
 
@TheDarkSide It took a while but we got there in the end :-)
 
Hahahaha ...
In fact, ACM's concerns are very justified. This is actually scary:
51 mins ago, by John Rennie
@ACuriousMind what does a cannibal do after dumping his girlfriend?
 
Mar 21 at 12:21, by John Rennie
If you want your posts to be starred just put the word testicles in it somewhere :-)
 
4:55 PM
We probably ought to move off the subject. Amusing as it is, various chat room members have said they prefer the matter not to be discussed here.
 
Right.
As an aside, I just wonder if there is a way to predict beforehand if a question will make the HNQ list...
< Insert dismissive HNQ joke here >
 
Anonymous
@TheDarkSide Easy. Just check if it is a pop-science type question.
 
Anonymous
(and is getting upvotes and answers)
 
I guessed this one would make the cut, but it ended up being put on hold :P
It seems, there is a very thin line between HNQ-worthy and close-worthy !!
 
@JohnRennie gross
 
5:14 PM
-5
Q: Eigenvector eigenvalue

user147087If $A=\left(\begin{array}{cc} 1& 0 \\ 0 &-1\end{array}\right)$, what will be the eigenvalue and eigenvector? Let me know how to solve it. I am facing difficulty in finding the eigenvector.

 
@JohnRennie Thanks for the comment! I am perfectly aware of the fact that we need at least quadruple moment for gravitational radiation. I was just curious about the magnitude of the g-waves when produced by neutron star binaries which are close to or away from being spherically symmetric. Would not their g-waves be of small magnitude due to Birkhoff's theorem?
 
5:27 PM
Hi, everybody.
@ACuriousMind Is there an actual rule to that effect, or did you just decide that?
People make jokes about suicide pretty often, i.e. "it made me want to shoot myself". While I don't much like those jokes, I don't understand that they are to be entirely banned.
I often wonder: in old times when battles were fought be lines of people with swords, clubs, etc., how did anyone convince themselves to be the first guy in the charge?
 
@DanielSank Please note that my statement was a reply to somoene asking whether they could chat about "their own suicide plan" here. Your scenario is entirely different - using that idiom doesn't constitute "talking about suicide" in the sense I was talking about in that statement.
 
Anonymous
@DanielSank You should read George Bernard Shaw's "Arms and the Man" once :D
 
Anonymous
You'll get your answer
 
@ACuriousMind I see that. I'm still curious about why we would want to tell a potentially suicidal person to take their discussion elsewhere.
I mean, yes, they should get professional help, but "that's inappropriate here" seems kinda off.
@Blue Perhaps I will!
 
21 hours ago, by ACuriousMind
@Mostafa I'm not saying that I'll just block a user I genuinely believe to be suicidal "because they are annoying", and I am insulted you would think that. There actually is a special feature to notify Community Managers about suicidal users, who will then reach out to the user.
 
5:37 PM
Yeah, I saw that. Just don't understand the comments preceding it.
No big deal I guess.
I think I misunderstood the first comment.
"...either a grossly inappropriate joke or a serious issue..."
There's no "go away" in that.
Not sure why my brain inserted it.
 
Anonymous
@DanielSank In the olden days people it was a common belief that there is some nobility in dying while fighting for your country/motherland. "Arms and the Man" is a satire/comedy about that very topic. I personally loved reading it. You can get a summary here but the original play is more fun to read. :)
 
Anonymous
There is also a youtube movie, lemme find it
 
It's in Russian!?
oh, no
 
Anonymous
It's English only...I don't know why they gave the Russian title
 
Anonymous
5:47 PM
Maybe the poster of the video is Russian
 
5:57 PM
Is this a repost of a deleted question?
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Q: How do I obtain the following masses from the given matrix?

Imtiaz Khan Mohmand$$\Sigma= \left(\begin{matrix}2\frac{\nu+s}{\sqrt{30}}+\frac{o}{\sqrt{2}}&{0}&0&{X}&0\\0{}&2\frac{\nu+s}{\sqrt{30}}-\frac{o}{\sqrt{2}}&0&0&0\\0&0&2\frac{\nu+s}{\sqrt{30}}&0&0\\\bar{X}&0&0&-3\frac{\nu+s}{\sqrt{30}}+\frac{T}{\sqrt{2}}&0\\ 0&0&0&0&-3\frac{\nu+s}{\sqrt{30}}-\frac{T}{\sqrt{2}}\end{mat...

 
@EmilioPisanty yes
 
@ACuriousMind yeah, I figured
good job on the quick handling
 
When did $f:X\to Y$ notation appear?
 
@0celoñe7 1846
 
6:01 PM
well
 
@EmilioPisanty Hmm. When was it popularized?
 
1846(150)
 
@EmilioPisanty What?
 
"The fundamental idea of representing a function by an arrow first appeared in topology about 1940, probably in papers or lectures by W. Hurewicz on relative homotopy groups"
 
@0celoñe7 1846±150
 
6:02 PM
@EmilioPisanty That's not a good range.
 
@0celoñe7 well, it's not wrong
that's mostly what I was shooting for
 
Can't argue with that.
 
so I call success
 
There are several foundational tomes from the 60s that don't use the notation.
 
reading really old math is a pain because before the renaissance people basically used no symbols at all
It was all in plain text for the most part
 
6:04 PM
@Slereah If you're reading math before 1900 you're doing something wrong.
 
I've read math from 1500 BC
 
better question:
When did $😬:😐\to 😆$ notation appear?
 
just now
 
that's
probably true, yes
well, just you wait 150 years
 
@Slereah Why?
 
6:05 PM
Around the same time the Emoji Movie was developed.
 
@DanielSank History is nice
 
@DanielSank He means Euclid.
 
Euclid isn't 1500 BC
 
When is Euclid?
 
@Slereah Yeah. I was made to go through Euclid in first year in uni
in analytical geometry, of all courses
 
6:06 PM
@EmilioPisanty ::boggles::
 
Euclid is like... 200-100 BC?
I forget
 
@0celoñe7 is that even grammatical?
 
@EmilioPisanty I don't know why. I doubt any of the proof techniques are still relevant.
@EmilioPisanty Is your face even grammatical?
 
@dmckee yeah, I know. coulda been learning 'em conics or whatever, but no. Euclid, proposition by proposition, from the very start.
 
@EmilioPisanty In Mexico?
 
6:08 PM
@0celoñe7 yes
Floruit ( or ), abbreviated fl. (or occasionally, flor.), in Latin meaning "he/she flourished", denotes a date or period during which a person was known to have been alive or active. In English, the word may also be used as a noun indicating the time when someone "flourished". == Etymology and use == Floruit is the 3rd person singular perfect active of the Latin verb floreo "to bloom, flower", from the Latin noun flos, floris, "a flower". Broadly, the term is employed in reference to the peak of activity for a person, movement, or such. More specifically, it often is used in genealogy and...
now there's a Sunday word
 
some old old math
 
> Definition: 1 eV is when an electron passes through a potential difference of 1 V and gains/loses energy.
::facepalm::
 
What am I missing?
 
(link if you're interested)
 
@EmilioPisanty What the guy said is basically correct
What's the fuss?
 
6:17 PM
@0celoñe7 I guess I slightly overreacted. the eV isn't "when" x happens, it's the energy gained in the process (which is not actually mentioned)
 
@0celoñe7 I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "math before 1900"
 
@EmilioPisanty Well, sure.
 
is reading calculus wrong?
 
@Mostafa Yes. Start with topology, then calculus on Banach spaces.
This is 1920s stuff.
 
@Mostafa are you learning calculus from pre-1900 sources?
 
6:18 PM
Argh, why does my computer insist on sabotaging me
There's a random FPS counter
 
@EmilioPisanty I thought the same (that he means the modern presentations). But apparently he isn't
 
@Mostafa I was trolling.
Clearly I meant that one should stick to post-1900 books.
The material can be older.
Linear algebra is probably prehistoric.
 
@0celoñe7 yeah, well, so is set theory
 
@EmilioPisanty Rigorous set theory is rather recent. I don't think one should read that though :P
 
@0celoñe7 dinnt say nuthin about rigorous
 
Anonymous
6:22 PM
Even geometry is pre-historic I guess
 
@0celoñe7 Linear algebra is pre historic??
 
@Mostafa for a suitably broad understanding of linear algebra
 
outside of geometry a lot of math is fairly recent, really
there wasn't a lot of serious non-geometry math done before like 1500
 
how old is the concept of a "vector" (even as an "arrow")?
 
@Mostafa late 19c
 
6:29 PM
Depends what you mean
 
@EmilioPisanty Then what was the subject of the ancient linear algebra?
 
People have used vectors for a long time but yeah it was mostly vector components until the 19th century
 
Anonymous
Does plane geometry have much use in modern physics and mathematics? There seem to 1000's of theorems related to triangles, circles, conics etc. I wonder...
 
@Mostafa solving systems of linear equations
@Blue There's plenty of use for geometry in physics
Whenever you work out a real problem there's tons of geometry to use
 
Anonymous
That's good then. I used to think that learning and remembering so many geometry theorems are useless in high school. I still remember the nine point circle proof by heart :P
 
6:32 PM
@Mostafa any sort of linear equation is linear algebra
I'm reasonably confident you can find stuff in Babylonian maths that can easily be classed as linear algebra
as to formal vectors, though, the classic
> Symmetrical equations are good in their place, but 'vector' is a useless survival, or offshoot from quaternions, and has never been of the slightest use to any creature.
is from 1896
or so says wikiquote
 
@EmilioPisanty Well just look at the thing I posted
26 mins ago, by Slereah
user image
It's just a linear equation
IIRC it's supposed to mean x + x/2 + x/4 = 10
 
@Slereah very interesting...
@Slereah considering how trivial this has become now, would the same happen to the current cutting-edge maths in the far future?
 
Well this was material taught at scribal school
But to be perfectly honest, Egyptian mathematics wasn't that good
It was very good for the bronze age, but it suffers from comparison with any other era
 
@Slereah that's a bold claim
the stone age is a different era to the bronze age
 
Not a lot of math in the stone age
Except for tally marks
 
6:46 PM
you might even say it suffers in comparison with Egyptian mathematics
 
never
 
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