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Q: The Importance of Being Earnest: "Or they come in the evening, at any rate". What does it mean?

Mdm22In The Importance of Being Earnest, when Lady Bracknell asks Jack about his politics, he answers "Liberal Unionist". Here's the exchange: Lady Bracknell: What are your politics? Jack: Well, I am afraid I really have none. I am a Liberal Unionist. LB: Oh, they count as Tories. They dine with us....

 
 
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1:35 PM
@BESW so I have some ideas for reader response.
1. It is possible to do a close reading + here's what this passage meant personally to me type of answer, where the personal details add to the insights from the close reading.
But I'm not sure how useful this is. First of all, close reading is already hard enough to teach. Second, part of my interest in reader response is to find alternatives to close reading so people who aren't interested in that can write meaningful answers. So I'm not sure how helpful this is.
2. I think we could also have questions along the lines of "why is [book x] popular/interpreted a specific way in [group y]. Which would encouradge experienced based answers.
3. I think we could also have questions along the lines of "what does [character x] look like. Imagine an answer from an artist who drew a picture of that character.
 
@Hamlet most Characters are described in the book (unless we're talking about like poems and stuff). That would attract downvotes like mad.
(stupid. Autocucumber!)
 
4. On a similar note, book/movie or script/performance questions could also open themselves up to experienced based answers. For example, a question about shakesphere with an answer drawing on one's own performance of one of his plays.
5. What about an answer that drew on experience writing fanfiction? For example, "what happens to [character x]". One answer is "the story doesn't say." Another answer: I wrote a story about that; here's why I make the choices I make.
 
1:52 PM
Like Joshua Engel? ;)
 
2-5 rely more on asking good questions. For example, if I asked a properly worded shakesphere question I think I could get an experienced-based answer from people already on the site.
 
(wow this is lagging)
 
But 1 requires an answer to set an example. Maybe I could make it worthwhile if I didn't do close reading and used what rand has called "careful reading" (i.e. finding quotes from a story but not really breaking them down)? Let me think.
 
2:09 PM
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Q: discussion question from the book The American Tradition in Literature, Volume 2

Abdullah AjI want you to consider the characters John Marcher and May Bartram in "The Beast in the Jungle." Construct a character analysis of each of them in light of the conflict in the story. Then, decided which one of them, in your opinion, is more at fault for what happens to their relationship in the...

 
@Bookworm burn burn burn
 
2:26 PM
@Bookworm :/
Erm, @gall, I think you meant not
 
@Mithrandir Oh boy....
 
I can just edit it
 
Cheers ;)
 
There we go, fixed the ot/to typo while I was at it
 
2:45 PM
@Mithrandir depends on how it's phrased. "I'm having a hard time visualising this, anyone have any pictures might work. Or "the quotes describing this character's appearance are scattered throughout the book, can someone help me find them all."
 
@Hamlet Meh.
 
Also, I can think of a billion stupider questions that got upvotes, so...
 
If we actually had a billion questions I'd say go for it :P
 
3:35 PM
Grrr, stupid mobile reloading the page every time I switch tabs.
 
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Q: Is "Listen Nations" referring to any incident in particular?

Mithrandir"Listen Nations" is one of the songs on the album Miami Meets Toronto, in which the Miami Boys Choir and the Toronto Boys Choir (both started by Yerachmiel Begun) sing together. The song is about the suffering of people, and the nations of the world not caring. The chorus is: And when I saw i...

 
4:11 PM
@Bookworm @Shok I'm guessing that Jewish songs are probably out of scope for that Meta.MiYodeya post but figured I'd ping you anyway
Ooh, this is a good book for our title tags discussion:
@Mithrandir ooh. You can add .
 
 
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6:26 PM
@Mithrandir Why should they be? It's of interest to Jews, is it not?
But it shouldn't be added separately to that post if it's already included in the listed tags.
@Mithrandir Really? That song is not in Hebrew, nor is it a translation from Hebrew. Maybe or ?
 
@Shokhet that was entirely a separate idea
I just didn't want to ping you twice
 
@Mithrandir Oh, I see. I thought you were thinking about adding the tag to your MBC question. I didn't realize you meant it for the MY meta post.
 
There are probably a lot of good questions to be found if you have several weeks to go through all the YouTube links here :P
I might stick the lyrics to Listen Nations on some lyrics site, but I don't know when I'll get around to it.
Also, wrzlumpht.
 
@Mithrandir Okay, thanks. Please link to that in the question if you get the chance.
@Mithrandir He's not in the room right now.
 
:P Not Wrzlprmft
 
7:02 PM
My university library is surprisingly short on books on modern paganism, witchcraft, and Wicca. Ought to fix that.
Need a good reference book on modern paganism and witchcraft.
(Curse the person who offers Harry Potter)
Gah, so torn between beginner-level books about witchcraft.
 
7:30 PM
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Q: What is the difference between a philosophical novel and a novel of ideas?

RobertWikipedia calls the novel of ideas a subgenre of philosophical fiction, without defining the first term. The Routledge Encyclopedia of Narrative Theory (2010) uses the terms "novel of ideas" and "philosophical novel" interchangeably. In articles published together in the New York Times in 2016 u...

 
@Shokhet done
@Shok I see them when I open it in an incognito tab
Probably just caching on your end
 
@Mithrandir Probably. I'll check again in incognito, maybe.
Still not there. Maybe it takes time for lyrics to travel between countries?
 
7:56 PM
Anything come of incognito?
 
Nope. And still no. :/
Maybe it's only showing it to your IP until it's approved? I don't know how they do things over there.
 
 
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10:39 PM
New user Ralph Crown has been writing lots of answers, mostly good and displaying a deep knowledge of the subject. I'm getting the impression that we have another Peter-like literary expert in our midst :-D
Hi. Welcome to the site. Could you support this answer with either quotes from the story, or sources about Poe's life, etc. For example, if people come to the site looking for research help, this answer won't be very helpful, because it doesn't explain how you know all this information. — Hamlet ♦ 5 hours ago
@Hamlet A little harsh? He's explained his answer by going through the story step by step, explaining what happens to the narrator (even if without verbatim quotes), and backed it up with a knowledge of Romantic literature in general.
I'm still debating whether or not to upvote that answer, but I definitely wouldn't say it's worth a downvote.
"The full text on Amazon makes it clear" - please could you edit this answer to include some pertinent quotes? Without having read the book, I'm not understanding how this answers the question. Did Byrd go through the centre of the earth to travel between the poles? If so, how? (I'm sure you're right, just saying that as written this answer isn't yet doing a very good job of justifying itself. Also, please don't take this as discouragement! You've been posting some very nice answers, and clearly have a wide knowledge of literature - I really hope you stick around here :-) ) — Rand al'Thor 45 secs ago
^ a friendlier way to provide similar feedback on an answer, btw
 
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10:59 PM
@Mithrandir turns their monitor upside down to read it ;)
 
11:11 PM
I really hope someone else will post an answer to the best Q&A of the quarter meta. Maybe I should have waited longer to post mine; it's already on a score of 4, which will make it harder for new answers to get visibility.
Still, I'm sure Hamlet will do one sooner or later.
 
11:28 PM
@Hamlet No. No. Pleeeeease no. Have you seen the kind of trash people write as fanfiction? Look up some random Harry Potter fanfics online, if you've got a very strong stomach. As far as I can tell, most of it focuses on titillation with little regard for good writing, adherence to the source material, or reasonable choices. Sure, some fanfic is good, but if we start welcoming answers about fanfic to questions about canon, we're on a very slippery slope.
The bottom of that slope is My Immortal, but there's plenty more along the way which we really wouldn't want to see anyone attempting to use to answer a question about the original source material.
 
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@Randal'Thor While i disagree somewhat with your disparaging of fanfic as a whole and think it is incredibly dismissive, I agree with your general point
 
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@Randal'Thor how did I know My Immortal was going to be the example :P
 
@Ash If you know of some good fanfic, please do point me to it. I still bear the mental scars from every single time I've looked at Harry Potter fanfic online. In theory, I know some fanfic must be good, but I don't remember ever seeing any.
 
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@Randal'Thor In that case the general issue of "giant media property" is the issue there - it's kinda like looking at Twilight fanfic
 
So I'd love to see some well-written fanfic to disabuse me of my prejudices.
 
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11:32 PM
It's been a long while since I've poked HP stuff specifically as I find the book series incredibly boring
 
@Ash Oh, I could rant about Harry Potter and its undeserved hype for ages :-)
Which is not to say I think it's bad - just that it doesn't deserve all that hype.
 
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I find it super boring after like...book 3
 
Book 3 is the best.
 
I always liked the ending of book 3.
 
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Once I hit Goblet of Fire I just start going "nope"
 
11:34 PM
Hence my horror at the film cutting out all the interesting backstory bits and replacing them by random chase scenes which added nothing to the plot.
 
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The movies took out like...so many of the things I actually liked in the franchise
 
^
To backtrack slightly on my anti-fanfic rant, I do have The Last Ring-Bearer on my to-read list, and possibly Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality since people keep recommending it to me.
But the good doesn't make up for the bad. Like I say, slippery slope.
 
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Oh,accepting it as answers would be terrible
 
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Because I could literally write a fic to prove any point
 
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We should stick to canon
 
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11:38 PM
The moment you start getting into fanon stuff it's going to get so messy so fast
 
Exactly.
I'm sure someone will make the point that we can rely on voting to distinguish good fanfic answers from bad fanfic answers, but ...
 
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But at the core, they're effectively poor research
 
Fanfic could maaaaaybe be used as evidence that there is no canon answer, but even that is weak since lots of fanfic directly contradicts canon.
 
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@Randal'Thor yeah, one of the most appealing things about creating fanworks is that you don't have to directly keep the canon
 
One book that's really ripe for having fanfic made from it is The Neverending Story.
It very deliberately fails to tie up most threads of the tale, and keeps on saying "... but that's another story and will be told another time".
 
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11:47 PM
@Randal'Thor ah, yeah, open ended things like that totally will be used all sorts of ways I'm sure by the fandom
 
Oh wow, that could be interpreted as Bastian helping to introduce other people to Fantastica, like Mr Coreander says in the last chapter.
God, that story has so many layers to it.
I really need to reread it.
 
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You know, I'm not sure I've ever actually read it?
 
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I feel like I should
 
Seriously? You read so much I just assumed you had.
 
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There are some weird holes where I miss incredibly popular books because they never come across my path
 
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11:50 PM
checks the library for an e-copy
 
If the Michael Ende suggestion comes out on top in a few months, we might all be (re)reading it :-)
 
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Aww, no library e-copy
 
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Will have to wait until book budget comes open again, I think
 
Awww.
 
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(I have to be strict with myself lol I have a bit of a book addiction.)
 
11:57 PM
It's a book that's worth spending money on, because you'll want to reread it again and again.
 
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(there are over 100 books (unread) on my ereader right now
 
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@Randal'Thor then I shall bump it to the top of the queue, because you think so highly of it :)
 
I've actually spent money on it twice, because my first copy fell apart.
 
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adds it to their Goodreads TBR list
 
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(If it wasn't for Goodreads I'd have so much trouble remembering book things)
 
11:58 PM
@Randal'Thor I liked HPMOR, actually, but it's not everyone's cup of tea. Be prepared, though, it's SUPER LONG.
 
But I haven't read The Neverending Story since back when I was a kid and didn't get all the layers to it - hence my constant nagging myself to reread it.
 
I downloaded it as an ebook, and didn't realize how long it was. I don't remember what math I did after (probably comparing time spent on reading it vs time spent reading Words of Radiance as an ebook), but it's very very long.
 

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