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12:19 AM
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@Mostafa :-( I didn't see
 
@peterh That wasn't important at all
 
@EmilioPisanty I know you like mercurial better.
@Mostafa Is this a joke?
 
@DanielSank Why would it be a joke?
 
12:35 AM
@0celo7 It sounds like a joke.
It's difficult to explain the nature of humor. I will not try.
 
@DanielSank he is going to reveal the injustices of chat
it's going to be bigger than Abu Ghraib
 
@Mostafa they got all that rep because they answered/asked/participated and did so well.
Also, rep is a sort of exponential thing - you get a lot because you get a highly upvoted/visible q/a, so you get more upvotes on it later, after the initial burst, so you kind of get a steady trickle of rep.
also, have you removed all the 1-rep people? they might throw off your query.
 
@heather "all that rep"? Did mostafa comment on rep?
@Mostafa Why is that "sad"?
 
2 hours ago, by Mostafa
PhySE sad fact #3: 9 users hold more 9 percent of the total user reputation.
 
@heather Yeah just saw that.
@Mostafa I have to tell you I find your comment rather not-constructive. I have a lot of rep because I write damned good answers.
 
12:45 AM
Same reason some people think it's sad that 9 people hold half the money in the world
 
@0celo7 That is not even remotely similar.
Ok maybe it's remotely similar.
 
Aha!
 
@heather eh, it's not that easy...rep is the main motivator tho
 
also, i am seriously interested whether or not @Mostafa took into account time spent on the site.
 
12:46 AM
and removed the one-rep people who just joined for a look or whatever.
 
^^
Yeah, @Mostafa, limit your query to people with at least 300 rep or something like that (don't pick 100, because you 100 for the association bonus).
@Mostafa If you're sad that so many users have low rep, just remember that most of them can't answer questions because they don't know enough! Answering questions is hard. You have to 1) Understand what OP wants to know, which is often extremely tedious, 2) Actually be able to answer the question, i.e. know enough to answer, 3) Take the time to write down the answer, which is really hard because writing clearly is difficult and time consuming, and
4) Respond to the OP's inevitable comments asking for more information.
I think users don't even get past step 1.
Think of this: I answer probably 1% of the questions I read, and I'm a PhD in physics. What do you expect from folks still in college, etc?
 
@Mostafa Just post snarky comments on everything you see
Much better
 
@BernardoMeurer <3
 
@DanielSank <3
 
Did you tell @heather the latest news?
 
12:52 AM
@heather I told you I'm moving to Santa Barbara, right?
 
@Bernardo Congrats! I heard you were hoping to, but it's finally confirmed!?
=D =D
 
@DanielSank Also, I checked that biking from Goleta to SBCC is like 1h, but are there a lot of hills?
@heather I got accepted, yeah, moving in ~1 month
 
Nice!
 
Getting my F-1 Visa next week
 
that's awesome!
 
12:55 AM
@BernardoMeurer It's only 1h if you're a n00b.
 
@DanielSank Go bike there and time yourself
 
The hill situation is kind of "medium" IMHO.
@BernardoMeurer Depends on conditions and bike.
 
Medium is fine, I got some dope calves
 
I can make it do downtown in around 30 if I'm in a hurry.
 
Conditions? It's not like it rains there
 
12:56 AM
@BernardoMeurer Oh, yes it does.
 
It rains in California?
 
If I were you, I wouldn't want to bike every day from Goleta to SBCC.
I guess you can just take the bus though.
 
Yeah, but bus is 40 mins
And I hate busses
Well, not hate
 
Bus from UCSB to downtown Santa Barbara is like 10 minutes.
Take the 12x.
 
Brrr
Okay
 
12:57 AM
Then bike from Santa Barbara station to SBCC.
I'm telling you, you can bike it every day, but it's going to be a PITA. I guess you'd get in good shape though...
 
I gotta go to bed because I'm super sleepy, but we'll discuss this further tomorrow
 
And you'll be close to me.
 
I found some more dope places
@DanielSank Yeah, I was thinking of Goleta cause then I can explore you for food, care, and love
 
@DanielSank Definitely take the express, because the other one does take forty minutes on account of stopping for ice plants and eucalyptus.
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@dmckee LOLOLOL
 
1:00 AM
@BernardoMeurer *exploit
 
@0celo7 Exactly
 
And biking UCSB to Santa Barbara proper is a pain in the @$$ ride because none of the bike routes are in the right places and the road aren't comfortable riding.
 
@BernardoMeurer Pffft. No way I'm giving you food.
Actually, of course I will.
 
Lol, that was easy to convince you
 
@dmckee Ehhhh, I dunno. You're on bike path for the entire ride!
 
1:01 AM
I'll do with you the same deal I have with N. minus the sex
 
Ej? That's a change from when I was there, then.
 
@dmckee There is a tiny bit where you're in a neighborhood without demarcated bike paths, but there's no traffic there. The rest all has a real bike lane.
 
There used to be paths about "half the route', only getting from the end of one to the start of the other took you out of your way and through difficult intersections. Meh.
 
Bike path? Fuck I rode with the cars back in Rio
I had to fight off buses for space
 
Goodnight.
 
1:03 AM
Now I don't want to go :3
Just five more minutes of h-bar
pleeeeeeeeease
 
Yep
 
@DanielSank It's just like saying the reason there are very few rich people is that it's hard to get rich. True, but that's not all of the story
 
Okay, I've had enough internet for today
Goodnight Stanley!
 
1:56 AM
tfw you're two centimeters into a book and it's only a third
ahhh
this is going to take months
 
How does the chat look like when you are banned? @0celo7
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2:14 AM
It just says "this chat is read-only" on the bottom
or
"your account has been suspended for X days"
 
@Mostafa I cannot believe it, but that coco song is catchy.
 
2:56 AM
So was Chris White...
 
May 2 at 17:13, by Bernardo Meurer
Please come back Chris White
Apr 22 at 9:30, by Secret
Mar 27 at 22:27, by ACuriousMind
I am beginning to believe @BernardoMeurer is stuck in some kind of bizarre time loop that involves Chris White and free software.
In mathematical logic and computer science, the μ-recursive functions are a class of partial functions from natural numbers to natural numbers that are "computable" in an intuitive sense. In fact, in computability theory it is shown that the μ-recursive functions are precisely the functions that can be computed by Turing machines. The μ-recursive functions are closely related to primitive recursive functions, and their inductive definition (below) builds upon that of the primitive recursive functions. However, not every μ-recursive function is a primitive recursive function—the most famous example...
 
How goes the chat log crawling?
 
Currently on 25/2/2015
A bit slow since a lot of Waiting integrals and various other user's posts caught my attention
 
3:18 AM
Yeah, there are some real gems in there.
 
 
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@Avantgarde I like the first two very much. Unfortunately only the first Matrix movie is good.
2001 I liked until I watched Solyaris, which totally obliterated it from my top 20 list or something.
The Man from Earth is very, very well made for such a low-budget film. I like it a lot.
If you like Matrix you should watch Videodrome. I plan to get around watching eXistenZ, which was from the 1999 too!
 
 
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Q: Why are people getting angry at questions being marked duplicate?

probably_someoneI'm relatively new to SE in general, so I may be missing something here, but recently I've been seeing a lot of people apparently getting angry that their questions are marked duplicate. Can someone explain to me what the reasoning is behind this being considered an insult? I haven't come up with...

 
5:54 AM
Allegedly :-)
Good morning btw.
 
Morning :-)
 
The God father movies were overrated imho
Sure Brando is good, but he's no Nicolson.
 
I think the original The Godfather film was groundbreaking. Certainly I had never seen anything quite like it. The sequels were kind of more of the same.
 
I was semi surprised to find out that Katherine Hepburn holds the all-time record for academy awards.
Yup, the original "horse's head in the bed" was...memorable.
After he refused to give into the Godfather's wishes.
 
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6:29 AM
@JohnRennie You're only just discovering that?
 
@Kaumudi.H :-)
 
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@BalarkaSen I do like (love) The Matrix. Perhaps I will watch Videorome later today...
 
@Kaumudi.H It would be nice if the moderators had to do what I tell them, but experience suggests this isn't the case :-)
 
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Haha :-)
 
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How's it going?
 
6:31 AM
BTW how is the NetFlix experience going?
Is it the sort of thing you would continue to subscribe to (student finances permitting)?
 
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@JohnRennie Definitely not. Truly interesting content seems rare...
 
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So far, I have watched Thirteen Reasons Why, Piku and Now You See Me 2.
 
Ah OK. I must admit I've never looked at NetFlix, not being that interested in films, but it has a lot of subscribers so I assume it must be doing something right.
 
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I was hoping to get the chance to watch some others such as Deadpool but nope, not there.
 
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@JohnRennie Well, there are a bunch of supposedly good T.V shows on there but I don't want to binge watch any of them (other than the one I did, Thirteen Reasons Why).
 
6:35 AM
@Kaumudi.H you want to watch Deadpool? Just asking ... :-)
 
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Hehe, yes...
 
You might want to check your Gchat ...
@DanielSank: how's the laptop?
 
@JohnRennie off
I do not understand "wipe your computer" as a solution to the problem.
 
@DanielSank that sounds awfully like screw the laptop, I've had enough of it! :-)
 
I am at a loss
 
6:40 AM
The solution is the one I started with. Delete the SoftwareDistribution directory, restart the update and wait - probably for a long time ...
 
@JohnRennie Shouldn't there be a particular update to apply to fix the "updates take forever" issue?
I don't want to leave an un-patched system on the internet for days!
 
Once the first update has completed you'll find that successive updates take the normal time. It's only the initial rebuild that's slow.
@DanielSank turn the firewall on. The WannaCry virus was only able to infect systems that had the firewall turned off.
 
Maybe.
 
But ... speaking as a computer nerd with decades of experience, the best way to get a stable install of Windows is to wipe the disk and do a fresh clean install without all the junk that the laptop manufacturer installs.
 
Have you actually tried this, i.e. have you had a machine that took forever to update, deleted the directory, and then seen the problem go away?
 
6:45 AM
@DanielSank Yes. Many times.
 
@JohnRennie Right, so you want me to buy Windows... again.
@JohnRennie Many times why the f--- do people use this OS?
Ugh, apologies.
 
@DanielSank No. You'll probably find the Win10 install is free because it will work with your existing licence key.
 
I keep trying to like Windows. I really want to, but every single time I use it something like this comes up.
oh?
 
I did say that in my original post ...
 
And how am I supposed to get Win10 while my computer will not stop spinning the CPU?
 
6:47 AM
Use a friends computer. You just need to download the install image from the MS site I linked then copy it to a USB key. Then you can do the install from the USB key. Or burn it to a DVD if you prefer.
 
I see.
 
But the Win10 install is optional. You could choose just to do the update fix and stay with Win8.
 
Sounds like I get to go back up my stuff. Yay.
How is MS worse than Canonical at maintaining a stable OS?
Fascinating.
I appreciate your help.
 
Why does the laptop manufacturer put all that junk in?
 
Money.
 
6:55 AM
Advertising?
 
@Justwinbaby manufacturers get paid to install the junk. Only a small amount per laptop, but it adds up.
 
I see.
Laptops are your specialty, right?
 
I routinely redo installs for friends i.e. copy off their data, wipe the disk then do a fresh clean Windows install. And my friends are always astonished about how much quicker and more reliable their laptop is afterwards.
@Justwinbaby actually I'm a server dude. I don't know that much about laptops - apart from the Dell Latitude range that I own several of myself.
 
I miss Gentoo
my next laptop I'm going back
although I probably can't/shouldn't run it like I used to (Gentoo unstable for my home desktop)
(=work computer)
 
Operating systems aren't religions (though some disagree :-). Use whatever works for you.
 
7:01 AM
the real question is how has the web browser codebase grown vs CPU speed increases
will chromium still take an hour to compile
it "only" took about 20 hours or so to recompile my system
the only big compile time "offenders" were gcc, libreoffice, and the web browser
 
@Kaumudi.H: let us not mention the BernardoBeast :-)
 
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:-P ...
 
gcc wouldn't take that long to compile if compiling gcc didn't involve compiling the thing three times I think it is?
iirc it was setup so that you get a version of gcc compiled by the same version, basically
 
@JohnRennie my laptop isn't unreliable because of bloatware.
 
so it compiles a version of gcc capable of compiling the full gcc, compiles the full gcc, and then that full gcc compiles itself
I think
 
7:06 AM
This updater issue is known to MS and they're recommendation on their own official forums is literally to turn off the updater service.
They have not published any solution for Windows 8.
They still had this problem in 10 and there is some information online about how to fix it there.
 
I use Windows (various flavours) for eight hours a day seven days a week. People tell me they run into all sorts of problems with Windows, and I assume they haven't been smoking something hallucinogenic. All I can say is that I encounter no problems with Windows.
I should note at this point that I look after over 500 Windows servers. Admittedly the server OS is significantly different to the workstation builds.
 
Sid
@JohnRennie So, you open them or close them? :P
 
Is there any effective way to "mask" your server to hide your IP address?
 
@Justwinbaby use a VPN?
 
But is that completely effective?
 
7:15 AM
@Justwinbaby the FBI can probably still figure out who you are, but only organisations with the same resources available can do it. For most purposes a VPN is completely effective.
 
Thanks.
 
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7:28 AM
@JohnR: BTW, u remember that scavenger hunt?
 
The one with the clues about lizards or some such creature?
The Green bros thingy?
 
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Precisely.
 
Yes?
It was to do with the new book wasn't it?
 
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As I told before, I left the hunt halfway because of my exams and such but the rest of the gang (which now consists of more than 3000 members, mind you) uncovered the title of his new books a few weeks ago.
 
user228700
...and he did confirm it, just to us. He requested that we keep this information to ourselves and we were happy to do so, until:
 
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7:31 AM
 
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:-D YES!
 
Turtles All the Way Down is a upcoming novel by author John Green. It will be published on October 10, 2017. It will be his fifth solo novel, and his seventh overall. Its publication was announced during VidCon 2017, the online video conference co-founded by Green and his brother Hank. It is his first published work since his 2012 novel The Fault in Our Stars. == Plot summary == The story center arounds 16 year-old Aza Holmes, a high school student living with Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, and her search for a fugitive billionaire. The only other details of the plot known to the public are that...
 
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:'-) Yes.
 
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All of us (nerdfighters) feel like his friends and he feels the same way about this special community of ours. It might sound strange but I am proud of him in a teary-eyed sort of way.
 
I see you lot are now the Tuataria
 
user228700
7:34 AM
Hahaha YES!!
 
user228700
We came up with that name a few days into the hunt :-)
 
user228700
And we now have several spinoff servers as well, Hogwartaria being one of them :-)
 
@Kaumudi.H Ah yes, you posted a link to it a while back
 
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@JohnRennie Yes, the one with a bot for peeves and all :-)
 
7:37 AM
It's always nice to feel part of a community. We're sort of a community here, albeit a somewhat disfunctional one :-)
 
Do you think stackoverflow has the resources to decode a VPN? @JohnRennie
 
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@JohnRennie :-)
 
@Justwinbaby no, and in any case I doubt they would care whether you were using a VPN or not.
I suppose if you were using a VPN to indulge in sockpuppetry they wouldn't be amused, but there wouldn't be a lot they could do about it.
 
What kind of resources do you need?
 
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@JohnRennie I am no longer an active participant though. It was quite lovely when we had only 10 people there but with at least 200 people online at any given time, chatting has become quite intimidating...
 
7:42 AM
hiya
what's happenen
 
hi pal
 
user228700
Hey :-)
 
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@Kenshin The world iz quite bootiful it seems.
 
how was drivin
 
@Kaumudi.H it's always a problem with chat, that it becomes dominated by the people who shout loudest.
 
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7:43 AM
@Kenshin Terrifying but OK.
 
i lyk da way u torque
 
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@JohnRennie Some people there only use uppercase letters.
 
what chat room we talking about
@Justwinbaby why do you wanna hide ur ip for
 
Just curious.
 
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@Kenshin Tuataria.
 
7:47 AM
If there is a 100% fool proof method @Kenshin
 
Right! That's the server babysitting finished for today! Time for another coffee I think ...
 
@Justwinbaby why what u got to hide
ty @Kaumudi.H
 
Cool.
 
how often do you use the chat Kaumu
 
7:54 AM
@Justwinbaby Those Dell micro computers are nice bits of kit. I use them as terminal servers.
 
The seller looks reliable also :-)
Have you ever thought about going into internet server security? @JohnRennie
 
@Justwinbaby it's not an area I find very interesting.
 
Is there any good paying jobs?
 
That doesn't mean I think it's unimportant, just that it's not my scene.
@Justwinbaby It's a bit of a specialist area. There is a lot of money to be made but you need to be good and willing to work very hard.
 
What would it involve educationally?
 
8:02 AM
I don't know I'm afraid. I'm not familiar enough with the area to say.
 
ok np
Good luck on your bid.
 
8:17 AM
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Well, it made me smile :-)
 
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@JohnR: Ohh, so as it happens, the first 500 to solve today's clue will absolutely, without a doubt, receive a free signed copy of the new book.
 
Congrats!
 
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Congrats! :-)
 
Good! That'll become a terminal server running Windows Server 2016.
The terminal server I'm currently using runs Windows 2008, which is getting a bit long in the tooth.
@Kaumudi.H are you going to have a go at the clue?
 
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8:31 AM
@JohnRennie I'm afraid I have absolutely no idea where to begin...
 
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I don't think I'm going to make it. Oh, well, at least I have been a (passive) member of the community...
 
@Kaumudi.H I'm never any good at those sorts of puzzles. I think you need a talent for lateral thinking that I don't have. I'm sure it also helps if you've solved previous puzzles by John Green as you'll have some idea how his mind works.
 
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Yes, and also, the hunt is almost over now. Everybody has gone to bed...
 
Have you tried Mensa?
 
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If I were extremely motivated, I might be able to make it but no, I'm quite content with just being some part of this madness.
 
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8:34 AM
@Justwinbaby Nope.
 
@JohnRennie I really enjoy these puzzles but do them rarely enough that I'm still pretty bad as well :P
 
8:55 AM
@Kaumudi.H what is the clue i'm pretty good at these puzzles
 
9:24 AM
>Scientists get funding through tax/industry
>Publish findings to Journal operated by Elsevier etc.,
>Scientists must pay for this privilege
>Other scientists perform peer review for free or nominal fees
>Scientists then give up copyrights to Elsevier when published
>Research is now hidden behind a paywall
>Government bodies, universities and industry end up paying millions of dollars to Elsevier for labour that Elsevier never paid for nor performed...
>Elsevier ends up with £2.320 billion Revenue per year
fucking Elsevier
 
@Slereah That's infuriating
 
9:38 AM
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Have you @ACuriousMind seen the original Godfather movie?
 
No.
@JohnRennie I cannot help but point out that the second graph is not a function, let alone a probability distribution ;P
 
@ACuriousMind :-)
 
Indeed, it should be called a probability relation.
 
@Justwinbaby That doesn't make any more sense.
 
9:49 AM
But it satisfies the definition :P
 
Multivalued function? Is that a term a mathematician would recognise?
 
I think the mathy term is just a graph
Just a subset of $X \times Y$
 
@0celo7 Do you know how to shift arrows?
 
@Slereah the other publishing houses are just slightly better (in the sense that at least does not make you pay for the whole set of mathematics journals to get just the few you are interested in)
 
@JohnRennie Yes, they would
 
9:59 AM
the only "good" ones are the non-profit ones run by universities or scientific societies
 
\o @yuggib
 
but publishing on many of those is rather difficult (at least in math)
@Justwinbaby o/
@JohnRennie Nobody calls it like that, even if the term is understandable. It seems just to be a set-valued function (and that is a pretty standard concept)
 
I think a "function" is a special type of "relation" is a more sensible way to think about it @JohnRennie
 
@Justwinbaby Honestly, no-one thinks about functions like that beyond their formal definition in set theory.
 
Well it is useful for some theorems
Relating to set theory
 
10:03 AM
@ACuriousMind I guess you can say that Riemann surfaces are historically motivated by making the "multivalued functions" arising as "inverses" of algebraic functions into well-behaved functions :)
 
@Danu Yep - the multivalued functions become proper functions on the covers. Nothing to do with viewing them as relations, though.
Also, your sentence is broken at the end :P
 
It sort of confirms the idea that relations are bad :P
@ACuriousMind Not really broken, just nigh-impossible to read.
 
The graph of a relation is the graphs all the ordered pairs that form the relation.
A relation is a set of any ordered pairs.
 
You don't need to explain to me what a relation is. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying that no one outside of set theory usefully thinks of functions as special cases of relations.
 
But it makes more sense to do so.
 
10:09 AM
Why?
 
It's easy :P
 
It has some use
Like it's useful for dealing with cardinalities
it helps to establish theorems on bijections and such
 
@Slereah I said outside of set theory :P
 
well yes but set theory is the basis of all math!
Bijections are fairly useful in all manners of math
 
AHB
10:15 AM
@Slereah He is right.
I mean you are right.
 
@Slereah That's what we like to claim, but how often does anyone actually care?
 
I care :(
 
me too
 
So far I am planning study things on my own (upto at least QFT), can I do the following/ am I encouraged to: Work on interesting p-set, ( since I am not so sure my answer being correct or not)
then I ask it and answer it on PSE?
(of course following the PSE homework rules)
 
sure, why not?
 
10:21 AM
say, I have just work out a question on classical mechanics, "why there is no branching in phase space?"
I have tried two approaches, the math one I am pretty sure is solid (uniqueness theorem), but I am not sure if it is sounding for my another approach (with Hamilton equations)
@Justwinbaby thanks, I should select some interest problems, and to see how it works out.
 
um... since Hamilton eq is consequence of conserved potential ... but in that case probably that's sounding (sort of)
 
@Shing What do you mean by "branching"?
 
I haven't seen Ron Maimon here lately anyone know what happened to him
 
10:29 AM
You can have branching in phase space if your equations are underdetermined
This usually indicates some gauge freedom
 
@Shing Is that supposed to be a trajectory? So you're asking "why are the solutions to the equations of motion unique"?
(They aren't always by the way, look up Norton's dome)
 
@Slereah underdetermined?
 
@Shing You know the rule of thumb to solve equations, no?
If you have $n$ variables, you need $n$ equations
(not perfectly true but that's the size of it)
 
@ACuriousMind that is a "path" in phase space. And presuming uniqueness theorem holds (a problem in undergrad classical mechanics book anyway)
 
For most circumstances, barring any weirdness like gauge freedom or non-Lipschitz continuous potentials, this is true, yes
This is just due to the Picard–Lindelöf theorem
 
10:35 AM
Enuf physics
 
@Slereah err! I understand what you meant now.
 
let us now discuss why we do what we do
 
If you have some first order linear differential equations, there will be a unique solution
 
@ACuriousMind In [the post](https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/41697/what-is-the-spin-rotation-operator-for-spin-1-2?rq=1) we have that for a general rotation in QM where spin $s \geq 1$ we have the equation:
\begin{equation}
\begin{aligned}
\exp(i\alpha \mathbf{J}\cdot\hat{\mathbf{n}}) & = 1 + i\hat{\mathbf{n}}\cdot\mathbf{J}\sin\alpha + (\hat{\mathbf{n}}\cdot\mathbf{J})^2(\cos\alpha-1) \\
& = 1 + \left[2i\hat{\mathbf{n}}\cdot\mathbf{J}\sin(\alpha/2)\right]\cos(\alpha/2) + \frac{1}{2}\left[2i\hat{\mathbf{n}}\cdot\mathbf{J}\sin(\alpha/2)\right]^2,
 
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