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Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
4:00 AM
Oh it's up to me.
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
@GypsySpellweaver University education? Check. I'm already studying at University
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
@HenryWHHackv2.0 You already know more than you realize
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
@GypsySpellweaver ?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
@ItamarGreen Not Uni, just life.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Come on stop talking to me in code.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
4:01 AM
1 min ago, by Henry WH Hack v2.0
Should I learn CS?
You already know more than you realize
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
What do you mean?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
You've been doing all kinds of stuff with computers. Most of that's covered in a CS education.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
How do you know?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
From self reporting
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
I think I'm on candid camera or something.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
4:03 AM
@HenryWHHackv2.0 Make sure they give you copies of the tape :)
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
@GypsySpellweaver example?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Just from your chat, you mention things you do on the computer, or did on it.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
like what?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Ok, here's a really good example of doing computer science related work.
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Q: What is the difference between Wireshark and Ettercap for man in the middle attacks!

Henry WH Hack v2.0I know of the two programs, one is Wireshark (a packet sniffing program) and the other is Ettercap (a man in the middle attack program). I tried doing a MITM attack before, legally on my own home network, with both the programs Wireshark and Ettercap and the result was same: I got the same userna...

privacy penetration-test man-in-the-middle wireshark
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
@GypsySpellweaver Yes
ok
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
4:06 AM
Easier to look at posts than chat transcripts
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Any other examples?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Nothing specific I'm inclined to search through transcripts for.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
ok
I am checking the records.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
That's part of the problem with CS ed. So many things people do are CS related, but they just don't realise that it is.
They think CS is some abstract thing that only super-geeks know.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
I thought CS was about things like super advance computing stuff.
in The Reading Room, 2 days ago, by Henry WH Hack v2.0
A denial of service attack is when an attack denials access to a service.
Me trying to explain a DOS attack.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
4:10 AM
And what do you call MitM? I been doing computers for decades, and I couldn't even begin to do a MitM.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
@GypsySpellweaver Like what is a Man in the middle attack?
or what does MitM mean?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Not what is it, but wouldn't you call it advanced computer stuff?
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
No I mean it was easy to do.
Once it's easy for me it's not advanced.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
I know what it is, but no idea how to do it.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Seriously??????
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
4:12 AM
> Any technology, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic.
I know how to set up my home network, and I know a smidgen about networking theory, but I've not taken the time to study it. So things like MitM are theory to me, not something I can do.
Programming, OTOH, is where I live, it's what I do just for fun.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
I asked you yesterday.
yesterday, by Henry WH Hack v2.0
What do you like doing in your free time.
You didn't answer.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
If I'm not taking care of the lady, I'm either programming or working on the CSE site.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
I like the program hping3
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Well, sometimes I'm sleeping, but I keep that to a minimum
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
It's a packet crafting program it allows you to generate packets.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
4:19 AM
So, with the stuff you do know, you already have a firm grasp of some CS material. Some classes would provide new material, other classes would be elementary to you and staying awake in lecture would be the hard part.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
I sometimes use hping3 to craft custom crazy looking packets and use wireshark to see how the target device response to it.
LIke I asked myself what will happen if I send a random packet with a FIN flag to my router.
Also you can use it to test firewall rules.
Have you heard of it?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Nope. Foreign to me completely
I like learning new programming languages, or new concepts in ones I already know. That's where I do my experimenting
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
So by 20 I may get that job.
Being a SE Dev
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
I was on Code Review SE and found their Community Challenge topic.
Decided to try one.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
:38235275 Why?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
4:26 AM
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Q: May 2017 Community Challenge

EBrownThe April 2017 community-challenge has just been selected as simulating a multi-way intersection, so let's get started on picking one for May 2017. It's time to choose a community-challenge for May 2017. Post your challenge as an answer to this question. Feel free to resubmit non-winning ide...

discussion fun community-challenge
Just for fun
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
ok
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
I started working on it. Realised it would be better if it was asynchronous, so I investigated the POE module in Perl.
Ended up with something way too big for posting in response to the challenge.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Ok time for me to go.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Enjoy.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
I will have to ask Adam Lear what is it like to be an SE Dev
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
4:29 AM
He would know.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
In 30 minutes I will be going.
29
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
ok
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Sorry
So we can have a little chat.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Target is 9AM local time.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
I'm going now.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
4:37 AM
tt4n
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Good Night! :)
 
Mendeleev
Mendeleev
4:56 AM
Good night
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
5:39 AM
Hello
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Salutations
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
the seniors in my robotics team pranked the school. we put 1054 rubber ducks around the school.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Neat. Is that 30 too many?
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
KRD (Kilo-Rubber Ducks)
nope...
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
What's the significance, if any, to 1054 of the rubber ducks?
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
5:46 AM
none at all. Just for fun
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
I was thinking that 1024 (binary Kilo) would've been nice :)
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
Yes I understood that's what you meant... but we're not all programs ;)
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
How long did it take to do the deed?
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
I wasn't there... they came to school at 11 pm yesterday
 
 
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Itamar Green
Itamar Green
10:21 AM
yay. quiet time for
neverming
I was just about to post a message here when activity started. (A funny coincidence)
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
It is quiet
That party was nuts, though.
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
I missed it :`(
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
It all exists in chat history ;-)
Not even worth reading, tbh. It was just people being silly
It was nice because it felt celebratory
Was it in off hours for Israel?
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
3 am-ish
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
Ugh, that's not a reasonable time for you
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
10:25 AM
nope XD
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
Well, rest assured: it was fun, but not nearly fun enough that you should have come out at 3am to join
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
If it had been the way he wanted it to be the time would have been 7:30PM for you instead.
He got confused between his local time and the room's UTC
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
Nothing that mattered was discussed at any point.
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
but we passed 1050 I think
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
If it had been at his time, I never would have been able to make it. I have a job! (Peter probably couldn't have come, either)
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
10:29 AM
and Ben, congrats on reaching 3k
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
Thanks! That was another bit of silliness. I got 25 rep for nothing from the codegolf people, just because I was close to 3k.
I hope they at least only voted for stuff they thought was good :P
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
I hope so, too.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
A few blips in the voting shouldn't matter too much. Even if they voted on something silly
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
They voted for a few of my top-voted things
So probably it's fine
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
@BenI., mind if I add high-school to your question?
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
10:41 AM
In this case, it is meant to apply equally to a university setting
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
I see. Fair point.
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
(It's really for high-level programming)
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
Now I want to go and see what happened to Project Spark (My answer on your question explain what that is)
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
What's that?
I have a new favorite answer to @Peter's question about CLIs:
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A: How to teach the value of the command line?

kratenkoNot a demonstration, but maybe a nice thought to tell your students. I read a nice analogy a few months ago, linked from a question somewhere on stackexchange: Using a computer only with a GUI is like communication without using one of humanity's biggest accomplishments: language. It does have i...

It never occurred to me to think about it that way before, but I think that really is why CLIs are so valuable
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
I like it as well
 
thesecretmaster
thesecretmaster
11:30 AM
@Peter Thanks for editing my ads post
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
11:47 AM
I think we need a spelling cleanup. Just stuff here and there.
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
12:41 PM
@ItamarGreen Suggest edits :)
Oh, never mind - I forgot that you don't need to suggest them any more.
This has been sitting on the vote for open queue for 10 days now. I haven't voted to open it because I feel it should still be closed
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Q: What should be the difference between a university course and a developer training?

GergelyI teach university students and would like to start teaching prospective developers. What are the core differences between teaching developers and teaching university students? I find that students are sometimes less motivated and less prepared while developers are more experienced and sometime...

student-motivation adult-education
Is there a core question in there that really should be open?
Advice for transitioning to a new audience... ?
OP is active on SO and other sites, so we will be able to get his attention easily
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
I say we give another chance. I'll ask op to edit the question, so as to make it less broad.
Oh. Pops's comment is interesting.
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
Well wait before you do that
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
Yep
I'm waiting.
I'm rereading the post, and the comments...
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
I don't understand what caused Pop's comment there
Was Pops saying that he believes it is on-topic?
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
Ok. My proposition is to ask OP to make it more specific, by telling us which type of differences is he asking about.
Yes.
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
12:51 PM
I'm not sure that those are the details that are needed - I think it is the ask itself.
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
but it wasn't closed as off topic. It was closed as too broad. I cast a cv on it, because addressing the core differences would be a very, very long answer, as I see it.
well, there's also the matter of the two distinct questions in there.
"What are the core differences between teaching developers and teaching university students?" vs "How should this potential difference impact my preparation and my method(s) of instruction?"
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
I think he should just eliminate one side of the 'and'
How should this potential difference impact my method(s) of instruction?
How should this potential difference impact my preparation?
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
There's still the matter of 2 separate questions. While not completely different, a single answer cannot address both questions (without having the answer sectioned to address each question separately)
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
(I'm just thinking out loud here) If we eliminate "preparation", and go with the first variation, I think it would be a fine question. And none of the answers have addressed "preparation" anyway.
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
I teach university students and would like to start teaching prospective developers.

What are the core differences between teaching developers and teaching university students?

I find that students are sometimes less motivated and less prepared while developers are more experienced and sometimes really enthusiastic.

How should this potential difference impact my methods of instruction?
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
12:57 PM
Yes, that would be my recommendation. Or even, "Is this correct? And if so, how should this difference impact my methods of instruction?"
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
There still are 2 questions. As well as the ambiguity of developers.
@BenI. That would be better, yes.
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
Oh, I see what you mean.
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
I have an idea.
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
I teach university students and would like to start teaching prospective developers. As such, I have been thinking about the core differences between these two audiences.

I find that students are sometimes less motivated and less prepared, while developers are more experienced and sometimes really enthusiastic.

Is this correct? And if so, how should this difference impact my methods of instruction?
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
What if it's phrased like this:
ok
yep.
that is almost exactly the same as what I had in mind
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
1:00 PM
I'll edit that, and write a note inviting him to roll-back if he disagrees. I don't think that changes his essential question
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
I teach university students and would like to start teaching prospective developers.

I find that students are sometimes less motivated and less prepared while developers are more experienced and sometimes really enthusiastic.

How should core differences between the two impact my methods of instruction?
don't open it yet
We should ask op if he agrees before reopening
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
Edited (and I left a comment). I agree with your version, but I think we should leave his words in the prompt (and see what he does)
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
agreed. Sidenote: OP hasn't been active today on any se.
currently trying to play around with the design and then use javascript and css and all that to see what it looks like, just for the fun of it.
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
1:53 PM
huh. That's weird. I can't see my badge progress for Strunk & White.
I think we have another site-scope discussion coming up.
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
2:09 PM
Presumably many :) About what this time?
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
0
Q: How to explain what is code to my parents?

ShashimeeI am an engineering student in computer science and recently my parents asked me to explain a bit what I do, as to say "What is coding ?" for them. They have no idea of what is coding, what are languages, lines of codes etc. and I wanted to explain briefly how it works. To me it seems very logic...

introductory-programming
This is a new type.
@BenI. ,What do you think? Should I write a new meta question about site scope refinement?
@BenI. question dispatched. Now just wait and see to what it develops.
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
2:27 PM
I gave my answer :)
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
I'm trying to load the page but chrome insists on preventing that.
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
Have you tried using polish to make your chrome shinier?
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
Where should I apply? is that green board in that box with the buttons a good place?
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
Yes. Be careful not to scrub too hard or you may hurt your monitor, but otherwise, you can make your window shiny that way.
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
Well I have to go feed my cat. be back in half an hour.
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
2:49 PM
This question has been edited, and OP approved the edits, so it's a candidate for re-opening:
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Q: What should be the difference between a university course and developer training?

GergelyI teach university students and would like to start teaching prospective developers. As such, I have been thinking about the core differences between these two audiences. I find that students are sometimes less motivated and less prepared, while developers are more experienced and sometimes real...

student-motivation adult-education
 
thesecretmaster
thesecretmaster
3:07 PM
I still think it's too broad
Just because there are so many possible differences
 
CS Educators Meta
CS Educators Meta
3:29 PM
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Q: Site scope refinement #3

Itamar GreenThis time, we have this question. I'll save you the trouble of clicking the link and tell you that the question is about teaching parents what code is. The question is not like others we have had here. It is not the classical teacher (or student) asking for analogies or designing a curriculum. ...

discussion site-scope
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
4:07 PM
@terdon Nomination threads generally run about 2 weeks. The selection process should be starting now-ish. — Robert Cartaino ♦ 3 hours ago
Interesting
So If I am correct.
Two weeks has passed for our nomination thread therefor our moderators may come soon.
I don't know if I make sense.
@Aurora0001 Does it make sense?
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
I expect the CM team are busy with Bioinformatics, so it'd give it another week or two
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Ok
Oh yes
You missed the party.
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
From what I've seen, mods pro tempore are announced roughly a month after the nomination thread. But Aurora's explanation makes much more sense :P
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
It took ages for the IoT mods to be picked. The site opened in December and mods were only appointed in February (due to the Christmas period interrupting everything)
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
Luckily, there's no major holiday or something like that coming up (I think. There is Ramadan, but I don't know if it will affect this)
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
4:16 PM
Well, I think US public holidays cause the most delays at SE, and so I don't think anything major will delay the process
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
yay. That's good to know. Thanks
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
4:29 PM
@GypsySpellweaver congrats on 1k!
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
thanks
I guess you get the blame for that
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
Possibly. I just saw it from a51, but there's always a big delay between real-time and what a51 thinks is real time.
oooo. @Aurora0001. that's an SE system. Do you know why the post count and reputation of users only get updated on a51 after some time (sometimes even 15 mins)
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
oh. Good one XD
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
The serious answer: Area 51 is a horribly outdated piece of code, and it probably just uses the API to query every so often
Real-time is surprisingly hard to get right, and there's little benefit on area 51
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
4:36 PM
true.
well, surprisingly common when the only sites you visit are SE sites, where rep is synced in (almost) real time.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Isn't a51 also on separate server?
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
I think the servers are basically just "Stack Overflow" and "Everything else"
Oh, that's just the database clusters
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Though they did finally replace discuss.area51 with area51.meta and updated it to HTTPS.
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
only chat isn't sluggish. everything else is super slow for most of the time. (on my home pc. so it's my fault. but it only happens with se sites)
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
@ItamarGreen I think you posted two comments
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
4:40 PM
yes. thanks. see what I mean? takes so long to send requests, that my computer just sends another one.
My rep curve on SO looks much uglier than here.
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
4:59 PM
This edit is weird
Just looks blank to me
 
Itamar Green
Itamar Green
@Aurora0001 well, it got rejected...
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
@GypsySpellweaver Ok I am going to ask him now.
I don't like bothering SE employees .
 
 
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Ben I.
Ben I.
6:36 PM
I assume that we don't have enough high-rep users yet to have moderators. If we got 3 moderators, that would take 3/5 of the high-rep users out of commission for regular community stuff
Oh, 3/6. Congratulations, @GypsySpellweaver!
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Yes @GypsySpellweaver! :)
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
@BenI. I don't know if they consider that much; regardless, there are 13 users with close privileges, so it's probably fine
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
That makes sense, I guess. I still don't feel instinctively like we should be leaving the communal leadership model yet. It doesn't feel like we're... settled enough to set up leaders.
Because then those leaders would have undue influence on what we are
I am as worried about myself having undue influence as I am about others - I don't believe anyone (including me) should be granted any special deference while we're still so small
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
Well, without moderators, some of the essential tasks become really hard to perform (tag synonyms, merges, flag handling, editing help center, etc.)
 
Frrank
Frrank
hi python melting squad how you doing all today?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
6:47 PM
Welcome back to a, hoefully, saner room.
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
@Aurora0001 that's true. And that's why we'll eventually need them. But it feels to me like we're still in slightly to inchoate of a phase. We've been falling into some community norms naturally, and putting the really big pieces into place.
 
Peter
Peter
I do share some of your sentiment, @BenI.. We've had great communal efforts thus far in dealing with scope, broad questions, etc.
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
@Frrank Don't listen to him. The insanity here is not on the surface. Underneath, we are all mad as hatters.
 
Frrank
Frrank
lol I thinks it does matter.
be the best that you can be helping others, making people smile
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
@Aurora0001 I obviously have less experience in the SE universe than you by loads and loads, so take my opinion with a big old grain of... mumblessomethinghackneyed
 
Frrank
Frrank
6:50 PM
To some extend true but we can always chose and define by our actions who we are
 
thesecretmaster
thesecretmaster
Oh noes, we're being derailed again
 
Frrank
Frrank
yesterday python melting problem was solved i added my answer here if anyone is in that sort of problem can take help. stackoverflow.com/questions/44642477/…
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
It feels to me like the site is growing and growing - the HNQs are really creating a lot of activity!
 
Frrank
Frrank
HNQs stand for?
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
@BenI. I think some people do put more weight behind what you're saying if you have a diamond, but it doesn't necessarily have to be that way... You can have a lot of meta activity or just leave everyone else to have their say first; it's largely up to your own style of doing things
 
Peter
Peter
6:53 PM
Hot Network Questions
I really am not a fan of introductory-programming
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
I think often it does help if there are some moderators to guide the discussions a little when needed, but ultimately there's not a lot you have to do as a moderator
 
Peter
Peter
It feels like a catch-all for anything "intro" or "beginner"
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
There are many things you should do, and a lot of things you can do, but using your discretion there is the best way, I feel
 
Frrank
Frrank
@peter yes that is right but we all were at that stage once upon a time
 
Peter
Peter
Agreed, but the tag is a dumping ground
It's not necessarily helpful in terms of identifying content
 
Frrank
Frrank
6:57 PM
To some extend.
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
@Peter I also think it gets seriously overused
@Aurora0001 If I ever become a moderator, I will have to be much more careful to hold my tongue. Right now, I'm enjoying very much not having to do that :)
 
Peter
Peter
Exactly - overuse to the point of not being helpful
 
Frrank
Frrank
Also the major problem with the newbies are they don't bother to read documentation.
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
My guess is that people just type programming in the tag box, and introductory-programming is the closest match
 
Peter
Peter
Seems plausible
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
7:09 PM
I often notice questions (especially poor ones) just type something roughly close to the site title in the tags box and pick the closest tag. E.g. on IoT, there was a internet-of-everything tag a while ago, and people just kept typing "internet" and clicking that because it was close enough
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
I haven't checked, but I bet about 15% of those questions are helped by that tag
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
Even though there was a specific meaning to that tag
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
I don't know what tag the parents question should have
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Q: How to explain what is code to my parents?

ShashimeeI am an engineering student in computer science and recently my parents asked me to explain a bit what I do, which is their way of asking "What is coding ?". They have no idea of what coding is, what languages are, lines of codes etc. and I wanted to explain briefly how it all works. I wanted to...

introductory-programming
It probably needs a new tag entirely, like big-picture or something.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
It may not even be on-topic, and not need any tags
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
Or big-idea or... really I have no good ideas here
 
Peter
Peter
7:12 PM
Maybe the fact that no tag makes sense within our site that it's off-topic?
I can't think of one that sums up its content
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
I feel that it is, and I posted as such on the meta discussion here
 
Peter
Peter
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
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Q: Teaching (parents) with no intention to do programming themselves

Itamar GreenThis time, we have this question. I'll save you the trouble of clicking the link and tell you that the question is about teaching parents what code is. The question is not like others we have had here. It is not the classical teacher (or student) asking for analogies or designing a curriculum. ...

discussion site-scope
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
I'm looking for the "educator" in that question.
 
Peter
Peter
Maybe simply parent-question or parents
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
7:14 PM
It's similar to posting a question "What is Internet of Things" on IoT - not off topic, but nearly as big of a question as you can have
 
Peter
Peter
Mike's answer brought up a good point - reminds me of a back-to-school-night question
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
I have to try to explain the same thing pretty regularly, both to kids who haven't yet taken intro, and to parents.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
In view of the fact that CS is more than programming, even if the question base so far only hints at that, maybe a programming would be helpful.
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
It's similar to how most every music teacher ends up having to spend a unreasonable amount of time just justifying why what they teach matters in the first place. That time isn't teaching music (and isn't in the job description), but it is a part of the job that is almost universal.
@GypsySpellweaver That might be the perfect tag. And one of the few places that it would actually be the right choice.
I'm afraid that if we made that tag, it would become even more overused than introductory-programming
 
Frrank
Frrank
I think there should be a more refine search on the topics, let the newbies read the docs first and if there problem is still there only then they get to ask the question. ANd I'm 99% sure after reading the docs they don't have to ask that question.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
7:23 PM
Retagging newbie questions is a fact of life on any site. We can minimise it, but not eliminate it.
How about parent-teacher
 
Peter
Peter
I like that
A lot
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Explaining programming to the parents isn't any different, in theory, than explaining the importance of music. The facts change, but not the issues and hassles.
That way the "subject' covered by the tag is the parent-teacher relationship, the "programming" part is left to the text of the question itself.
 
Peter
Peter
Absolutely agree
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
I love it
That puts it in the teacher context
Our very high answers/question gets us onto HNQ a lot
looks around and whistles innocently
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Good questions deserve good answers, and both deserve recognition.
 
Ellen Spertus
Ellen Spertus
7:37 PM
Could you clarify what is meant by the parent-teacher tag?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
I don't know, but I think the chances are good that we have a relatively low ratio for Low Quailty posts.
@EllenSpertus That would be for questions that deal with the interaction between parents and teacher, rather than the student-teacher relationship
 
Ellen Spertus
Ellen Spertus
Thanks, @GypsySpellweaver. I just want to make sense that we don't encourage the stereotype that parents (i.e., older people) are ignorant about computers.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Presumable not too many questions would fall in that category, but it's an arena that every teacher has to deal with, including CS teachers.
@EllenSpertus ^^^
 
Ellen Spertus
Ellen Spertus
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
Hehhehheh
That tag was an attempt to change it from introductory-programming, and was the best idea we were able to come up with so far
 
Ellen Spertus
Ellen Spertus
7:43 PM
I'm thinking of asking a question that matters a lot to me: How do I prepare female students (especially women of color) for bias they may face in industry?
Other questioners might put race/ethnicity first, but I teach at a women's college. I could try to phrase it in a more general way.
Re [introductory-programming], how about [laypeople], short for [communicating-with-laypeople]?
How do I format tags?
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
[tag:tagname]
 
Ellen Spertus
Ellen Spertus
ty
 
Peter
Peter
I'm at an all-girls school myself, and while it's not college, it'd be relevant for my classrrom
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
I think that the question is super important.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
If you want a meta tag. [meta-tag : tagname]
LOL
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
7:47 PM
And knowing how this site works so far, if we end up with a few responses quickly and some upvotes, it will end up as another HNQ. Which I support on many levels, because it's an extremely important question.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
What portion of our questions reach HNQ status lately? It feels like >50%
 
Ellen Spertus
Ellen Spertus
@Peter If you're in the US, please encourage students who would benefit from continued single-sex education to consider Mills College, where I teach. I can provide more information offline.
 
Peter
Peter
Absolutely. Will do.
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
@BenI. Looks like at least 4 out of the last 5 were
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
7:49 PM
I'm already trying to think about my answer to @EllenSpertus's question
@Aurora0001 That's insane.
 
Ellen Spertus
Ellen Spertus
Insanely great, right?
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
Yes.
It's a measure of how actively we answer questions here, because that is what the HNQ formula optimizes for
 
Ellen Spertus
Ellen Spertus
Another question I'm planning to ask is how to teach a flipped AI course based on the famous MOOC.
 
Aurora0001
Aurora0001
I think the other thing is that subjective-ish, easily understandable (to the generally CS-oriented Stack Exchange audience) questions tend to get voted on a lot more than obscure topics
 
Ellen Spertus
Ellen Spertus
 
Peter
Peter
7:54 PM
I also think, at least in the case of my CLI question, that they are piquing interest in the general developer community of SE (more specifically SO)
We haven't had educators answering questions in all cases necessarily, but we've gotten thoughtful responses
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
Responses from educators tend to float towards the top, but that is hardly universal. I take all of that to be a sign that things are working well in that regard
 
Peter
Peter
And that this site has a home within the larger SE network
If you look at our traffic stats, you don't see HNQs from sites toward the bottom there - we have a small but active and passionate community
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
@Peter YES
 
Ellen Spertus
Ellen Spertus
I wish I could +1 chat messages.
2
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Just reply to the message and say +X.
@EllenSpertus +10
 
Ellen Spertus
Ellen Spertus
8:01 PM
@HenryWHHackv2.0 +1
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Yes like that.
 
Peter
Peter
Have to log off for a bit. Back later.
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
@Peter when would you be around to answer Ellen's question?
 
 
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Peter
Peter
9:41 PM
Just returned. I'll be at my computer for the next couple hours. I'll leave this open in the b/g.
 
 
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Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
10:44 PM
@GypsySpellweaver Are you in?
29/30 days for my Enthusiast badge.
Also you can do the -X
-5
+5
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
I suspect that there will be a bunch of Enthusiast badges coming out soon.
If you come back in 90 minutes you will probably get it then.
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
11:23 PM
I can't seem to leave this site.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Do we need to establish a new CSE Anonymous group?
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
For @BenI. and his inability to leave this site.
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
ok
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
11:29 PM
@GypsySpellweaver yes, please. I could use that.
 
heather
heather
hello
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Somehow I don't thing the friends of Bill would appreciate the connection
@heather olleH
 
Henry WH Hack v2.0
Henry WH Hack v2.0
@heather |-|3|_|_0
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
Nice answer, Heather :)
 
heather
heather
@BenI. the explain coding one?
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
11:52 PM
Both!
I'd only read the one, but now I've read two. Both excellent answers
Not that you need my help, being an 8th grader studying the things that you are, but if you are near NYC, I could probably get you an amazing bioinformatics internship.
 
heather
heather
I would love that internship, but I'm halfway across the country in Iowa =(
I do have family in NJ though - maybe I could try to finangle something...
 
Ben I.
Ben I.
I have no internship connections in Iowa, I'm afraid :)
 
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