The Classroom

Okay, let's see. So, pythons are snakes, init is a starting place, py is a delicious pastry. (Pastry? Is it?) And directories are basically phone books. So now, let's see:

Gypsy Spellweaver

Maybe frank ducked out without clicking "leave"

Ben I.

Does the first piece of pie have to go into every part of the phone directory for the benefit of the scary giant snake?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@thesecretmaster What secrets do you hold?

thesecretmaster

Bens nuclear codes

Ben I.

1:21 AM

Well, when you look at it this way, it's clear: snakes are typically carnivores, and often can't read. So, my guess is no. You only need one py, and that is for me.

Gypsy Spellweaver

If it's not, the big scary snake might look for nourishment elsewhere. (Not me I hope)

Peter

Haha...it's all in good fun

Ben I.

But if you have a second one, we can eat together.

Peter

I wasn't expecting my command-line question to blow up

Ben I.

That was a good question.

Gypsy Spellweaver

1:22 AM

Blame @BenI. for that, he's the one with the nukes.

Peter

Thanks

Ben I.

If we're in competition, I'm a terrible competitor. I've upvoted >80% of everything you've posted on the site :P

Peter

Likewise

The goal is not competition, but the quality of the site

Gypsy Spellweaver

So, the objective is to see who can award the other the most? O_o

Peter

To be fair though I'm still waiting for more classroom examples

thesecretmaster

1:23 AM

I upvote nothing. All I do it downvote Ben and Peter, but yet somehow the rep keeps going up. :'(

Ben I.

Haha

Peter

A lot have defended the value without explaining really how to teach it simply and clearly

Frrank

No I am here just stuck on something really stupid and yes its a snake which is giving me some flakes.

Ben I.

I looked over my record - I have downvoted 3 times so far altogether. I upvote anything that I think has value, because I understand that that is the currency of the site, and I want all the people to become rich here.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Flakes from a snake are just dead skin, so your python must be molting.

Peter

1:24 AM

Exactly - I think I'm at 2 downvotes

Ben I.

Ooh, I thought you said melting.

thesecretmaster

@GypsySpellweaver I think you mean refactoring

Ben I.

Being attacked by melting snakes makes me glad that I have those nukes.

thesecretmaster

Shedding code like it's dog fur in the summer

PhiNotPi

This is a complete conversational tangent, but I do really want to see improvements in CS/technology education, because (based on my experience) it feels like a really important skill to have, but at the same time is barely taught / taught very poorly at the schools I've been to.

Frrank

1:26 AM

very few people have this sort of attitude to appreciate new guys, Nukes thats some dark things you have

thesecretmaster

@PhiNotPi That's not contraversial. We all want great CS ed.

Ben I.

@PhiNotPi the whole field is undergoing a huge shift right now. It's getting much bigger and much more inclusive. I'm hoping that this site will be a huge boost to all the new teachers who are suddenly being sucked into this field

Gypsy Spellweaver

I though @HenryWHHackv2.0 said:

2 hours ago, by Henry WH Hack v2.0

No drinking
No smoking
No bad words
No sexual content

I think someone's been violating the first one.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

?

Ben I.

Who?

thesecretmaster

1:28 AM

Sorry

My bad

Ben I.

It's you, isn't it, Gypsy?

Frrank

and guys don't you think snakes will not melt they will probably get roasted even with @Ben I. nukes. @Gypsy Spellweaver define sexual?

Ben I.

@thesecretmaster you're underage. Don't even joke about that, or we'll all end up in jail.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Since when would a Gypsy ever touch booze?

Do all python programmers count backwards?

Ben I.

Somehow the image of melting snakes reminded me of the photo of millions of flying spiders that someone once posted on reddit. So many that they blackened the sky.

thesecretmaster

1:30 AM

@BenI. I'm creating a lighting plot! I promise!

Gypsy Spellweaver

Didn't know snakes were afraid of spiders.

Feeds

Henry WH Hack v2.0 has removed an event from this room's schedule.

Ben I.

It was when I saw that photo that I realized that we've already lost this planet. It is time to go find another.

thesecretmaster

@Feeds NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Well it's over.

Ben I.

1:31 AM

Does this mean that we have to get very serious now?

thesecretmaster

Close vote all the things!

Gypsy Spellweaver

It can't be over. I'm still not hearing the music

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@BenI. Well when @Aurora0001 comes into the room.

Well it was a good party.

Frrank

really snakes are afraid of spiders are the spiders from lords of the rings

Ben I.

@GypsySpellweaver That made me cackle.

Don't snakes eat spiders?

Gypsy Spellweaver

1:34 AM

If it was an LP it be crackel ;P

Zachary T

Will the chat always be this derailed? Or is it because of your aforementioned party.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@BenI. I thought they did sometimes, but you're the one that thought of melting snakes and flying spiders.

Zachary T

And, congratulations by the way.

thesecretmaster

It's the party

Gypsy Spellweaver

Party ,and the intervention of some golfers.

thesecretmaster

1:35 AM

We're usually very railed.

Gypsy Spellweaver

BTW, glad you spoke.

Zachary T

Okay, just try not to become the next TNB, okay?

Gypsy Spellweaver

@ZacharyT TY

@ZacharyT Not likely, though y'all may have enfected us.

Ben I.

@ZacharyT This is the party. We're usually slightly goofy (though not as goofy as your room), but this is the party :)

thesecretmaster

@GypsySpellweaver enfected?

Gypsy Spellweaver

1:37 AM

;P

Zachary T

As long as you don't post any unicode faces, I do stay on topic decently.

thesecretmaster

looks up unicode faces

Gypsy Spellweaver

H̸̡̪̯ͨ͊̽̅̾̎Ȩ̬̩̾͛ͪ̈́̀́͘ ̶̧̨̱̹̭̯ͧ̾ͬC̷̙̲̝͖ͭ̏ͥͮ͟Oͮ͏̮̪̝͍M̲̖͊̒ͪͩͬ̚̚͜Ȇ̴̟̟͙̞ͩ͌͝S̨̥̫͎̭ͯ̿̔̀ͅ

Zachary T

Not unicode faces.

thesecretmaster

¯(°_o)/¯

Gypsy Spellweaver

1:38 AM

Worse/better, your choice.

Zachary T

I've gotten suspended due to spamming TRASH. So, don't provoke my spamming.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

H̸̡̪̯ͨ͊̽̅̾̎Ȩ̬̩̾͛ͪ̈́̀́͘ ̶̧̨̱̹̭̯ͧ̾ͬC̷̙̲̝͖ͭ̏ͥͮ͟Oͮ͏̮̪̝͍M̲̖͊̒ͪͩͬ̚̚͜Ȇ̴̟̟͙̞ͩ͌͝S̨̥̫͎̭ͯ̿̔̀ͅ

Ben I.

How do I type unicode characters into chat?

thesecretmaster

CTRL+C CTRL+V

Gypsy Spellweaver

<-- Never got into Unicode faces. Too old fashioned for that. Stuck with the old emoticons

Ben I.

1:39 AM

🐰

◉_◉

(bunbun)

ಠ_ಠ

Alternatively, Composite Key.

thesecretmaster

Alright guys, everyone flag the faces! JOKE

Henry WH Hack v2.0

1:40 AM

Now we are becoming a sandbox room.

Ben I.

Gemoji image for :birthday

That did not paste well

thesecretmaster

@HenryWHHackv2.0 It's OK. Tomorrow everything will be OK.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I hope so.

Zachary T

Yeah, just don't ever invite PPCG over.

Frrank

stackoverflow.com/questions/44642477/… heres my question everyone

Zachary T

1:41 AM

(our code's crap anyway)

thesecretmaster

@ppcg get over here, we need more fun

Gypsy Spellweaver

They don't need invites, they just arrive independently.

Ben I.

Okay, speaking of nonsequiters, I think it's time I change the top--- LOOK! Up in the sky! It's a bird, it's a plane, it's...

sneaks off to bed

thesecretmaster

Hey! Where'd he go?

Gypsy Spellweaver

nn

Henry WH Hack v2.0

1:42 AM

We will now pause for a commercial break.

commercial break over

thesecretmaster

Oh good

Gypsy Spellweaver

Thank goodness for TiVo

user165474

We were summoned?

ATaco

@thesecretmaster I'm always here.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@PhiNotPi, see, I told you ;P

thesecretmaster

1:43 AM

@ATaco Did you bring @fun?

Frrank

thank you guys for up voting?

user165474

Let's hope we didn't bring the starspammer with us...

Gypsy Spellweaver

Well, with some of the golfers present: I'd like to switch the site that looks like my "home" site. Any clues?

Frrank

who is star starspammer

user165474

in The Nineteenth Byte, 4 mins ago, by ATaco

Please stop staring things that do not need starring

user165474

1:45 AM

> staring

Zachary T

There's not a starspammer here.

user165474

There was one on TNB so we're hoping they didn't follow.

thesecretmaster

If we get one, kick-mute is the way to go, right? Oh wait, we don't know who...

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Frrank It seems that you've stumbled into a vipers nest while looking for your python.

user165474

Exactly

Henry WH Hack v2.0

1:46 AM

@thesecretmaster ROs can remove the stars on a message.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Don't the starwall say who starred it.

Zachary T

OH MY GOD @GypsySpellweaver.

thesecretmaster

@HenryWHHackv2.0 Oh, I had no idea.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

yep

user165474

Yay we got a destarrer in TNB present

thesecretmaster

1:47 AM

@HenryWHHackv2.0 How?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Example

See

thesecretmaster

Woah! Where's the button?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

It's only for ROs

PhiNotPi

@GypsySpellweaver go to your chat user profile page chat.stackexchange.com/users/255290/gypsy-spellweaver to change your "parent user"

Henry WH Hack v2.0

and Mods

Zachary T

1:48 AM

RO = room owner

Henry WH Hack v2.0

yes

thesecretmaster

I know, I'm an RO in a different room. Just wanted to know how I could use the awesome power.

user165474

ಠ_ಠ the spammer is here I think

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Get a mod!

user165474

ROs work too... i.e. you...

PhiNotPi

1:49 AM

Seriously though don't trash other site's starboards.

Frrank

lol starspammer oh gosh that thing is excited. @Gypsy yes I think so to.

thesecretmaster

Oh I found the button: Cancel stars in the right menu.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Well, the party was planned Tue. and your timing just didn't work too well.

user165474

right menu?

thesecretmaster

List of starred messages

user165474

1:52 AM

oh ok

user165474

must go test on my room

user165474

oh wait it got frozen and deleted

Frrank

any python handler here?

Gypsy Spellweaver

And, TBH, you might be better to ask in a different place anyway. Someplace where coders hang out rather than educators. Many of the finer points of the languages just don't come up in the classroom

@PhiNotPi Thanks.

user165474

@Frrank handler?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

1:53 AM

@thesecretmaster How did you?

thesecretmaster

@HyperNeutrino We have a running joke.

Frrank

someone knows or code in python

user165474

me

thesecretmaster

@HenryWHHackv2.0 I'm RO in a different room, as I've said.

Zachary T

I know python

Henry WH Hack v2.0

1:54 AM

Ok

user165474

A large amount of PPCG people know Python :P

thesecretmaster

Stop by sometime, ruby is awesome

Frrank

@zachary T can you request you to have a look on my question

Zachary T

What question?

Frrank

1

Q: Does __init__.py have to be in every directory of python application?

__init__.py are use to mark directories on disk as a Python package directories. lets say we have the files py/src/__init__.py py/src/user.py and py is on your path, you can import the code in user.py as: import src.module or from src import user If we remove the __init__.py file, Python...

Zachary T

1:55 AM

(FYI, I am horrible at explaining)

Frrank

just go through it I also added the issue which I facing

Zachary T

No clue, TBH. I'm getting too tired anyways. CЯ!

Frrank

no issue. brother

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Frrank just a complete guess, but I suspect that you need __init__.py in the root of every library directory tree, but not in each subdirectory under that.

I don't use python, at all, so that is literally a guess.

Frrank

root dir is src and sub dir . are /models /common

do you think i am asking a right question

Gypsy Spellweaver

2:03 AM

So, per my guess, __init__.py in src but not in src/models or src/common.

Frrank

yes

Gypsy Spellweaver

IOW, __init__.py will cover everything in a directory, including all of its subdirectories.

Frrank

yes

but it's not

Gypsy Spellweaver

Then, obviously, my guess is wrong. And, it seems, you also have the answer, via experimentation.

Is that a config type file, or is it merely a sentinel file?

Frrank

I'll update it asa I get the solution. it's sentinel file just directing the imports from all dir to main

usually it's not needed but with some python version you have to add this specially in virtual env

Gypsy Spellweaver

2:11 AM

@HenryWHHackv2.0 It looks like that AU question got cleaned up, also protected, and seemingly the user nuked.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@GypsySpellweaver ok

Frrank

@Gypsy Can I request you to upvote my Q to get it featured

Gypsy Spellweaver

It was the only post by that user, and the user was created today.

I can't do featured, I think that's a mod's area of work. Not sure though

Frrank

so it will not get feature but interesting Q.

1

Q: Does __init__.py have to be in every directory of python application?

__init__.py are use to mark directories on disk as a Python package directories. lets say we have the files py/src/__init__.py py/src/user.py and py is on your path, you can import the code in user.py as: import src.module or from src import user If we remove the __init__.py file, Python...

python python-2.7 flask import

Gypsy Spellweaver

I think it's just better to wait. Users come from all 30 timezones, so someone who knows python will be looking for python questions, and will know how to answer it.

Frrank

2:16 AM

I think I solved it

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Frrank Excellent. Now you can write up the solution and add that as an answer to your question so that someone else will find the answer they need later.

Frrank

yes I'm doing that.

the solution was to in import * everything in src folder in init.py and from subdir remove src as its under the parent dir which is already covered.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

2:38 AM

@GypsySpellweaver Are you in?

Gypsy Spellweaver

still

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Ok

Well the room has cooled down now,

Gypsy Spellweaver

yes.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

The party was fun though.

We manage to almost get this room full.

and we had a star spammer

Gypsy Spellweaver

More work for you

Henry WH Hack v2.0

2:40 AM

?

Frrank

Okay everyone really enjoyed . all the conversation will be back tomorrow have a nice night.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

ok

good night! :)

Frrank

GD :) thank you everyone for help and python melting advices

Gypsy Spellweaver

Welcome. Hope you enjoyed the party too.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@Aurora0001 You missed the party. :(

Don't worry Aurora0001 and I will have our own private party.

Ok GypsySpellweaver too.

Also Sergiy Kolo wasn't here.

If only the time was set more correctly.

Gypsy Spellweaver

2:49 AM

What would be the "correct" time, in EST terms?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Well I was setting the time to 12:30-45 PM.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Your timezone?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

AST

Gypsy Spellweaver

was AST the timezone you wanted to be 12:30-45PM for the party?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

yes

@GypsySpellweaver Are you calculating something?

Gypsy Spellweaver

2:53 AM

Nope.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Ok

Gypsy Spellweaver

Well not related to that anyway

I made a comment earlier that wasn't totally correct. however

39 mins ago, by Gypsy Spellweaver

I think it's just better to wait. Users come from all 30 timezones, so someone who knows python will be looking for python questions, and will know how to answer it.

That was just a guess, and a bit low.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Well to our @Aurora0001 you are cool! :)

Gypsy Spellweaver

?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

It's to tell him he is cool

Gypsy Spellweaver

3:02 AM

ok

Henry WH Hack v2.0

He missed the party.

:(

I wrote a song called moderator.

Gypsy Spellweaver

So, if the time was just after lunch for you, he could have been here?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

yes

Gypsy Spellweaver

Are you on daylight time now?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

No

I wanna be moderator so damn bad flag all the spams I never had. I wanna on the moderator list of a site smiling next to administrators and the other mods. Oh every time I close my eyes I see my self suspending the trolls. A different situation every night oh yeah the world better prepare when I'm a moderator yeah yeah
**RAP**
When I'm a moderator I will moderate the site flag the spam and keep everything claim block the trolls and get the goal keeping it clean making sure it's green.
**RAP complete**

Gypsy Spellweaver

3:04 AM

Then you should have set the time for 16:30 (4:30PM) UTC

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@GypsySpellweaver Oh

thesecretmaster

@HenryWHHackv2.0 I think I'm crying a bit

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Why?

thesecretmaster

It's so beautiful

Henry WH Hack v2.0