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12:13 AM

@Avery I mean I'm kinda biased

but I know both sides so :thonk:

12:46 AM

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Seth

It's amusing how literally every mention of long path tool is spam.

TheWanderer

maybe because it's spam?

chaskes

1:18 AM

@Seth yunit.io/blog

Seth

@chaskes oh, interesting.

@TheWanderer know of an SMS app that allows custom APN settings?

TheWanderer

uh

maybe Handcent?

Seth

Verizon locks them

kk, I'll take a look

chaskes

@Seth I haven't read their docs closely but I wonder if they plan to 1) end the dependency on compiz (probably a much bigger deal than I realize); 2) remove the scaffolding for online searches, etc.

Seth

@chaskes Unity 8 had neither of those

There's a reason no one picked up development of Unity 7.

namely compiz and GNOME.

chaskes

1:28 AM

Oh, I'm misinformed then. I thought they had forked Unity 7,

Seth

> A community-driven unity8 fork

that's what the site says so

but I don't know anything about the project.

chaskes

Well...I guess I should have read it more closely, then. ;) but that makes it more interesting.

Seth

@chaskes No one will fork Unity 7 though, IMO, because a) compiz is old, outdated, and deprecated (iirc) and it relies on a custom GNOME stack, which means modifying GNOME every time they release.

Canonical went with a complete rewrite with Unity 8 for these reasons.

chaskes

Ok, good to know.

(sheepishly) First line on blog is: A community-driven unity8 fork

Seth

It's a pity Unity turned out the way it did. No one could have foreseen quite how it ended.

I understand why all the decisions that were made were made. It was just stacked against them :/

chaskes

1:37 AM

It shows how much capital this kind of thing takes. Its an absolute shame it didn't succeed.

Seth

1:48 AM

@chaskes Agreed on both counts.

It's a pity Canonical didn't get more support from the wider Open Source community.

chaskes

There's a lot of layers to that issue.

Seth

I don't think there are as many as people like to say there are.

chaskes

2:01 AM

You're probably right and I didn't keep up with all of that, but Canonical was after all seeking to make a commercial product.

I'm not criticizing that effort, just suggesting they didn't create the incentive for others to join them. Just a thought.

Seth

@chaskes That is an interesting point. What kind of incentive are you thinking of?

chaskes

Idk. It's somewhat moot. But from a community mgt aspect, let's say Canonical was completely correct/justified in all actions and the wider community was completely wrong in their reactions. But being right is often not enough (insert case study about beta vs vhs here). From a practical, goal-oriented point of view, Canonical still should have thought about how to get other parties involved in order to create capital: community and good-will capital as well as monetary.

In the end, it's Linux that suffered.

There's a lot there for a business student to analyze.

Markets and tech exist within a complex web of human emotions and biases.

Seth

2:23 AM

@chaskes truth

chaskes

:)

Sometimes an MS in Management pays off. ;)

chaskes

2:42 AM

@Seth I didn't do much with my RHEL developers account last year, but I just renewed it and now I've got to use it to make magic things happen with Java EE at work.

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3:57 AM

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4:20 AM

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Q: How do I deal with the plurality of "reinstall OS" answers?

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4:55 AM

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5:16 AM

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6:41 AM

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Ubuntu Questions on U&L

7:07 AM

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Q: Ubuntu vs Kali Linux

I know this is a very old question, so I don't want all details. All I want to know is: Kali comes with hundreds of builtin tools. If I install these tools in Ubuntu manually, does it make any difference? Does kali provide more freedom than Ubuntu(freedom to control machine/device)? Are there a...

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David Foerster

7:40 AM

So you probably heard that Germany esteems privacy higher than many other nations and calls for “Datensparsamkeit” (roughly “sparse data collection”) in IT. However the industry wants to make money and doesn't care about all that, so our federal secretary of economy called for “Datenreichtum” (wealth of data).

Now there's a meme that large corporate leaks are instances of this wealth of data.

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Q: Execute a script shell automatically on startup in ubuntu?

down vote favorite I did a lot of research on this and I saw a lot of ways on how to do this. However, none of it seems working for me. For example, I did something like this: ~/.config/upstart/text.config I created a .config file under the directory mentioned above and wrote the following ...

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David Foerster

Current example: researches find unprotected Hadoop databases connected to the public internet totalling at over 5 petabytes: bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/…

Anwar

8:22 AM

So, no one is going to fork unity 7?

David Foerster

I think nobody outside of Canonical is really interested or invested in Unity.

…and Canonical has no interest in the maintenance of multiple forks of their software.

Anwar

That's sad.
good morning :)

David Foerster

Good morning! :>

Anwar

So that means compiz is finally dying? double sad

Mate can still use compiz. But since there porting things to gtk-3 they too would drop compiz compatibility

terdon

8:40 AM

@Anwar Why would compiz die? It has nothing to do with unity.

I mean, maybe unity uses it, but it has been around long before it and doesn't depend on it in any way.

Zanna

9:00 AM

that was some satisfying sed abuse :D

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terdon

9:27 AM

@Zanna Nice :)

Zanna

Thanks & thanks for fixing it @terdon :)

Anwar

10:02 AM

@terdon yeah I know. But if no DE uses it, it will die eventually. And the project is actually stuck on development afaik because of the replacement of X with wayland

terdon

@Anwar Why? I mean, I was using compiz long before any DE decided to use it by default. It was never designed to be an integral part of a DE as far as I know.

The wayland thing makes sense, but I don't see why a DE would be relevant.

Probably because I've never been a user of unity but I did use copmiz for a few years with Gnome2.

Anwar

Yeah. I used compiz with gnome2 too! compiz was actually better with gnome2 imo.

I mean if X is dropped, compiz loses its ground for usability as It is bound to the X too tightly

terdon

I wouldn't know. I found unity so unpleasant I've barely touched it apart from installing it to try it out and using Ubuntu in a VM.

Anwar

I don't know deeply about X things but I read an article from a compiz dev that porting compiz to wayland would be a waste of time and unnecessary

terdon

I think so. I think (really not sure though) that wayland already has a lot of the features compiz was created to implement.

Anwar

10:08 AM

^yeah. That was the point the dev wanted to make

But I don't know actually. I haven't used wayland much yet

and I don't know of any configuration tool for wayland like ccsm for compiz where I can actually test things

TheWanderer

hue

terdon

10:30 AM

@Anwar And xrandr doesn't work for wayland. That was the main dealbreaker for me (I set up various little xrandr commands to switch between screen layouts with a shortcut)

Anwar

10:42 AM

@terdon That's sad.

Mudit Kapil

There is a clicking sound in my hard disk,time to back up things?

terdon

YES

Well, strictly speaking it is long past the time to back up things, but better late than never.

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Q: Classifying a log file in bash

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11:38 AM

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Q: udev rules to assign/restrict serial ports to a range of numbers

I'm trying to segregate serial ports based on the manufacturer attribute ATTRS{manufacturer}. I would like to assign /dev/ttyUSBx to those detected as from manufacturer A, where x can take a value between 0 and 9 only. Similarly, for those detected as from manufacturer B, I want to assign /dev/...