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12:07 AM
I think this may provide examples of the kind of lyrical analysis this site could field:
 
12:48 AM
@BESW ahem
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Q: Understanding Kendrick's reference to Tetris in "Humble"

HamletIn Kendrick Lamar's new single "Humble", he references the game Tetris: Pull up on your block, then break it down: we playin' Tetris A.M. to the P.M., P.M. to the A.M., funk I'm not quite sure what the reference to Tetris is supposed to mean. I've seen several different interpretations of...

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Q: Why is the introduction different for the video and streaming versions of Lamar's Humble?

HamletThe video version of Kendrick Lamar's single Humble begins with the following three lines: Wicked or weakness You gotta see this Waaaaay (yeah, yeah!) However, the version of the song on streaming sites like spotify opens with three different lines: Nobody pray for me It's been th...

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Q: Understanding the reference to yams in Kendrick Lamar's "King Kunta"

HamletKendrick Lamar's "King Kunta" contains several references to yams. For example: When you got the yams—(What's the yams?) The yam is the power that be You can smell it when I'm walkin' down the street (Oh yes, we can, oh yes, we can) I'm not quite sure why yams are so important to t...

 
1:20 AM
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Q: What does Narcissa Malfoy's name say about her character?

Rand al'ThorMany of the names in the Harry Potter series are chosen so as to reflect some trait of their character. For example: Sirius Black the black dog, Remus Lupin the wolf, Severus the severe teacher, Luna Lovegood the eccentric but caring friend, and so on. Narcissa Malfoy's name seems to suggest tha...

 
@Bookworm It says she had cruel, thoughtless parents.
 
 
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2:46 AM
@Mithrandir Well done. Perhaps we should disallow pings in the Control Room
@b_jonas Oh! I remember those books. They were kinda cute :)
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A: Could authors overturn recent community review decisions?

Shog9This has bugged me for years too; I have full edit rights over my own posts, I can single-handedly approve or reject any edit suggested to them if I catch it in time, why can't I override an approval or rejection if an edit happens to get reviewed while I'm asleep? Well, now we can! Oded toiled...

 
3:36 AM
Ursula Vernon is still sass-tweeting Swiss Family Robinson.
At least we can be sure that they are not shooting things in church. I was starting to worry.
Today I learnt that The Swiss Family Robinson is not actually about a Swiss family with the surname Robinson.
It's a Robinsonade about a Swiss family.
 
 
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6:52 AM
Tonight (April 23) is World Book Night!
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7:26 AM
@Randal'Thor "скелет фашиста", plain and simple.
 
8:09 AM
Oh, hello there @JNat. Mind taking a look over here and tell us if we can borrow the logo?
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Q: Requesting permission to use the site logo as the Twitter account's profile pic

ShokhetNow that we have a community-run Twitter account, I'd like to know if we could use Stack Exchange's logo for this site as the profile picture for the Twitter account. I'd noticed that the Mi Yodeyan Twitter account uses their Stack Exchange logo as their profile picture. (I assume they asked perm...

 
 
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10:31 AM
Mithrandir has made a change to the feeds posted into this room
 
10:41 AM
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Q: Requesting permission to use the site logo as the Twitter account's profile pic

ShokhetNow that we have a community-run Twitter account, I'd like to know if we could use Stack Exchange's logo for this site as the profile picture for the Twitter account. I'd noticed that the Mi Yodeyan Twitter account uses their Stack Exchange logo as their profile picture. (I assume they asked perm...

 
Can you answer this question? #TreasureIsland https://literature.stackexchange.com/q/2329/17?stw=2
Thank you for the answer, @ajhall_fics! https://twitter.com/StackLiterature/status/855782001990709248
Announcing the community Twitter account! https://literature.meta.stackexchange.com/q/689/481
Hey @QuoteResearch -- do you have anything on this quote (attributed to Sarojini Naidu)? https://literature.stackexchange.com/q/2392/481
What's up with the atmosphere in the #HouseOfUsher? Can you answer? https://literature.stackexchange.com/q/2283/
 
10:58 AM
@Mithrandir Apparently St. George likes books.
I hope this room isn't going to get too flooded with feeds now ...
 
11:51 AM
@Randal'Thor if it becomes a problem, we can remove the feed
 
Sure.
So many unanswered questions :-/
I might pop a few more bounties on things.
 
It's great that my bounty attracted 2 epic quality answers. First time I saw a bounty do this.
Also, @Randal'Thor, how is Hard to be a God going?
 
@Gallifreyan I haven't found time for it in the last while :-(
Still in the middle of Chapter ... 5? 6? whichever one it was that I said I wasn't really getting a few days ago.
 
12:11 PM
@Benjamin Can you post now?
 
12:36 PM
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Q: Story where grandma rips her grandson's novel/textbook to shreds

he-manI read this story many years ago in a fairy tale compilation. The story had a teenager reading a novel hidden inside a textbook (forgot if it was math textbook or something else). The grandma was cleaning (I think) and she asked him if he was studying. He said yes. And then the grandma came ove...

 
12:58 PM
Mmm. Isn't it time to announce the reading challenge? So that people can prepare, etc.
 
@Randal'Thor now I seem to have missed them all... Can you link a couple?
And also, what would you consider good evidence?
 
@Gallifreyan I've been thinking about that too. But we also need to decide on tagging:
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Q: How should we tag Scandinavian/Nordic questions?

Rand al'ThorIt's already established that we're using language-based tags for questions about e.g. french-literature, russian-literature, german-literature, and so on. How should we apply this to questions about Nordic/Scandinavian literature? Scandinavia consists of Norway, Sweden, and Denmark, and usuall...

 
@Randal'Thor "This month's reading challenge is suspended over tagging disputes"
I bet there's an XKCD for that.
 
I think the most sensible option would be to have something like covering all the Norse/Scandinavian languages.
 
1:02 PM
I'm really hoping people don't vote for separate tags for the different modern countries just out of ignorance.
Which is why I put all that infodump in the question.
@BeastlyGerbil I already linked you to one; there are a couple more under the tag, and probably some debates on meta too.
 
Okay I'll take a look
I'm not really sure on what you want in the answers though
I've tried to answer your question 'Why, then, the name Narcissa?' and surely only JK knows the answer to that?
 
@BeastlyGerbil Anything that provides a proper argument to support its conclusion. You could probably get something out of the constellation/mythology aspect, or the whole flower symbolism thing (neither of which I'd thought of when posting that question). It'd be possible to write up an interesting study of names in HP, observing patterns in how the different characters are named and what that says about them.
 
So you want me to try and argue that the constellation thing/ flower thing was intended?
 
@BeastlyGerbil JKR is full of bullshit. I wouldn't believe anything she says about her books. She could be misremembering, making stuff up, or just saying whatever comes into her head. If you can provide an argument for why we should believe her, then I might be willing to accept that quote.
@BeastlyGerbil No, I'm not telling you what conclusion to draw. I just want you to draw a conclusion based on a proper argument, rather than just "look, JKR said this, she knows best".
 
Okay. Give me a while and I'll try and edit. Can you check it after? Don't know how but I've missed the whole thing about authorial intent
 
1:09 PM
@Randal'Thor Please, keep it civil </Mithrandir>
 
Sure, I'll always come back to check for edits on answers to my questions, especially when I've criticised them :-)
 
Thanks, feel like I'm on 101 rep again :P
 
And wow, that's a lot to have missed. It was the hot topic here for ages.
 
Yeah I disappeared from here for a while
And when I did flick on it usually wasn't for long
 
@Gallifreyan '
 
1:13 PM
Here's an example of an answer which is largely based on an authorial quote, but where I also provided an argument for why we should believe him, and a quote from another critic which supports the same conclusion based on some real-world experience.
(Hmm, I should probably edit that answer to be a bit less quotey.)
 
Right I think I see what you mean. I'll try and lets see what happens :P
 
If you want to learn more about the whole authorial-intent debate and why we shouldn't just take an author at their word, @Hamlet will probably be willing to wax lyrical about it :-)
 
1:45 PM
Well, I posted an answer to my own meta question:
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A: How should we tag Scandinavian/Nordic questions?

Rand al'ThorUsing different tags for the different countries would only make sense for relatively modern literature. If we had separate norwegian-literature and swedish-literature tags, which would we use for a question about a book produced in Norway, written in what we might now call Norwegian, while Nor...

Since I probably know more about Scandinavian culture and history than most of the active users here ...
 
@Randal'Thor Your answer makes sense, so I upvoted.
 
But what about those of us who were hoping for a tag? :/
 
2:02 PM
Have it as a synonym?
 
2:24 PM
@BeastlyGerbil I was kidding :P
 
Then why the :/ face? :P
@Randal'Thor okay completely redone the whole thing, can you check it for me? Hopefully its alright now. I made a few good connections through names.
 
2:49 PM
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Theres a twitter account?
 
@BeastlyGerbil take a look at meta
 
Jeez I've missed a lot
 
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Q: Literature now has a community-maintained Twitter account!

ShokhetLike Mi Yodeya and some other sites, Literature now has a community-maintained Twitter account! This account is not run by SE robots; Stack Exchange stopped doing that some time ago. At this point, the account is run by me; however, you can still get involved! (Please do!) Here are some things t...

@Feeds hey! @Shokhet, you didn't use the chat! :P
 
3:17 PM
StackLiterature has "4 followers" - I guess those are all people from here? @Mithrandir @Shokhet
Looking forward to the time when it starts to get followers who aren't already here :-)
 
That's me, Shokhet, Mith's own Wikia, and Michael North-something, the author of TombQuest.
So yes, it's all people from here.
 
Michael Northrop is following?
Awesome! :-D
 
@Mithrandir Scheduled that last night
 
Are his followers able to see what he's following?
 
3:20 PM
@Randal'Thor yep. I followed him this morning, and he followed back
 
If so, maybe some of them will discover our site too ...
 
I hope so
 
:D
mixing together sites works!
 
maybe, but I imagine he is following quite a lot, so lets hope it doesn't get too buried in the list
 
Haha yep
I'll try to find more authors who engage with readerships, and tweet questions from their works at them. Neil himself is probably a good bet (cc @Gallifreyan)
 
3:21 PM
@Mithrandir Are you in the Twitter Control Room?
 
@Randal'Thor dunno. Probably. I'm in too many rooms
Yup
 
I thanked AJ Hall for his answer, he said "you're welcome" :-)
 
@Mithrandir OK, stay there for a moment and help me with some Science.
I'm not in the room now, right?
 
@Randal'Thor You're not.
 
I'm going to delete the "room topic changed" automessage from the transcript, and see whether that drops my avatar into the room.
I think it will, but I've never quite confirmed this.
 
3:23 PM
Go on.
 
Done.
 
Yep
 
Does it look like I'm in the room now?
 
It did
 
3:24 PM
Interesting.
 
Yeah Northrop is following 3893 accounts, so if people check that list, lit se will be buried
 
So silent moderation only works if you're careful about it ;-)
 
@Gallifreyan I just tried to click that
 
At the moment its top of the list though so thats good
 
@BeastlyGerbil I'll have StackLiterature send him a birthday message :}
 
3:25 PM
:P
(Followed btw)
 
@BeastlyGerbil Maybe maybe not. If @Mithrandir has more questions to ask, maybe we can ask him to retweet to his followers.
 
Anyway. I'm off. Have to get ready for the Yom HaShoa thing.
 
That would be good
Cya Mith
 
@Mithrandir k. See ya around!
 
@Mithrandir Enjoy / good luck!
(I dunno what a Yom HaShoa is)
 
3:27 PM
:-)
@Randal'Thor Holocaust Remembrance Day
 
Today is #WorldBookDay! Why not come visit and ask us anything you want to know about your favorite books? https://literature.stackexchange.com/
 
Holocaust in Hebrew is שואה, transliterates to Shoah
 
I saw that exact convo from a year or so ago. I think he gets that asked every year.
Oh, wait, it's on his official site, if I'm not mistaken.
 
Yom = day
 
@Shokhet Ah. I hope my response doesn't look inappropriate then :-P
@Gallifreyan Poor gay guy.
 
3:29 PM
@Randal'Thor I know, m'n, must be har for him!
 
I bet he gets a lot of gay jokes too.
Hey, has @StackLiterature followed him yet, btw?
 
@Randal'Thor Nah, it's all right. You had no clue what that was about.
 
@Randal'Thor >_> @Shokhet
> How do you pronounce your last name? Is it gay-man or guy-man or something else?
> It's Gaym'n.
 
@Randal'Thor Not yet. I'm going to wait on following more people until the account looks more official (profile picture, header picture). Don't want to be dismissed out of hand because we don't look real
"more people" especially authors
 
@Shokhet Ah, good idea.
 
3:32 PM
And no worries @Rand :)
'For the Holocaust Memorial Day, you can take a look at our questions about Maus, the famous cartoon' or something like that wording needs tweaking
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Q: Why were these animals used to represent the different countries in Maus?

MithrandirIn Art Spiegelman's Maus, he represents different people from different countries as different animals. For instance, he represents the Jews as mice, the Germans as cats, the Polish as pigs, the Americans as dogs, and the French people as frogs. How were these choices representative of the differ...

 
@Shokhet gone
 
@Mithrandir Thanks mod :)
That was odd, though. I expected to be able to delete it because I'm the room owner, and also the person who "posted" that message.
 
I think there's some rule against deleting auto-messages.
I guess it's to prevent people from making abusive changes to room descriptions and then covering up the evidence.
 
Unless you're a mod, apparently. (Which is a good thing for our control room)
@Randal'Thor Ah. That could be it.
 
@Mithrandir You can, if you want. I personally don't feel that this particular question is very much in the spirit of the day.
 
@Shokhet hm. I can see why you say that.
Twas just an idea while rushing around, that's why I didn't do it :)
 
There are probably questions in Maus (or many other works, for that matter) that would be better for the day. See if you can think of one, and then maybe we can tweet that.
 
Yep. Have a few more books,will also be reading those tomorrow.
(lack of punctuation usually means I'm hurried)
 
@Mithrandir I assumed as much. Also, mobile? :)
 
3:48 PM
Yep
 
@Gallifreyan @DVK Any idea what (presumably vulgar) Russian verb is "somewhat assonant" with Bech?
 
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Q: What word did Updike have in mind here?

Chris HartmanIn the first story "Rich In Russia" in Bech: A Book, John Updike writes: (the mailbox, students should know, where his pitifully nibbled checks arrive has been well scarred by floating urban wrath, and his last name has been so often ballpointed by playful lobby-loiterers into a somewha...

 
@Randal'Thor Hmm.
@Randal'Thor Is it supposed to be pronounced beh or bek?
 
@Gallifreyan I haven't heard the name before, but I'd imagine the last syllable is pronounced like the Russian "x", not "ч".
 
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Q: How should we tag Scandinavian/Nordic questions?

Rand al'ThorIt's already established that we're using language-based tags for questions about e.g. french-literature, russian-literature, german-literature, and so on. How should we apply this to questions about Nordic/Scandinavian literature? Scandinavia consists of Norway, Sweden, and Denmark, and usuall...

 
3:58 PM
@Librarian Wow. 2 hours.
@Randal'Thor I have no idea then.
 
@Gallifreyan Does it matter though? Assonance is defined by the vowels (as opposed to alliteration, which is matching consonants).
 
@Randal'Thor That is good to know, but I still have no idea.
 
@Randal'Thor good to know my ranting convinced somebody :)
 
@Beastly Your answer looks much better now. I would suggest, though, that you use some headers or bold text in there. There's a lot of text, and although you've split it up with <hr>s, it would help to have some headers so that one can understand at a glance what the different sections of the answer are about. (I may edit your answer a bit for layout and presentation.)
 
Okay, thanks
Edited in headers
 
4:24 PM
Like Books and Literature? Check out Literature SE! https://literature.stackexchange.com/questions @StackLiterature
 
5:06 PM
@Shokhet you might want to post that link in the comments under the question
 
@Beastly I just finished editing the layout of your answer (I hope you agree that I've improved its form?) and posted another comment.
Also, you should probably be looking at this page instead of the daffodil page, for the flower significance of Narcissa.
 
@Randal'Thor thanks for the edit! I was trying to link decorum to the fact that she tries to buy the best and most expensive stuff. Bit of a stretch yes...
And thanks for the link, that looks more promising.
 
And thank you for taking all my suggestions so nicely, rather than getting annoyed at me criticising your answer :-)
 
I hate criticism, but open to constructive criticism. You helped me instead of just dismissing my answer, so thanks for that :)
 
@BeastlyGerbil Done. Thanks :)
 
5:19 PM
I appreciate that you've already put a lot of work into answering my question. But lots of work isn't necessarily enough to make a good answer, and it's more important to get a great answer than be grateful for the existing answer.
 
Does anyone else think that literature.stackexchange.com/q/2398/481 was probably copied from a homework worksheet? (Is that a problem?)
 
Besides, it's an investment. The more I help you with improving your answers, the better you'll get at posting great answers from the off.
 
Exactly. And I had no idea about the author thing so :P
@Shokhet good work finding that
 
@Shokhet Definitely looks like homework, but that's not necessarily a problem.
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A: Policy on questions based on homework or tests

Rand al'ThorTL;DR: whether or not a question is based on homework should be mostly irrelevant to how we treat it, unless there's some cheating or other unethical behaviour going on. Here's my basic rationale: every question should be evaluated on its own merits. Our goal is to build a repository of great qu...

 
@BeastlyGerbil It was linked to in in a post on another site that I linked to in my question. It wasn't very visible, though, so I hope my edit cleared things up
@Randal'Thor Cool. I knew that some sites have homework policies; I didn't realize (or remember, perhaps) that we had already had the discussion here. (I was preparing myself to start the conversation on Meta :P)
*reading*
 
5:24 PM
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Q: How is the concept of cultural encounter treated in the short story “One out of Many”?

user1360In the story "One Out of Many" by V.S. Naipaul, how is the concept of cultural encounter treated? Is the author aware of the cultural encounter theme? How does he manifest that awareness? Are the main characters, mainly Santosh, aware of the cultural encounter theme? What clues does he provide o...

 
Thanks for the link
 
@Rand edited on that link, thanks
 
@Gallifreyan Thanks for the extra links to Physics ... but ... from what I've heard, Physics has a rather unusual (for SE) approach to homework questions, which has generated a lot of drama over there.
That, together with the big difference in style between physics homework questions and literature homework questions, makes me wary about taking them as an example.
 
@Randal'Thor I liked their treatment. From what I saw, it comes down to three things: outline your problem, outline what you need, outline what you tried.
 
@Gallifreyan What I don't like is the idea of summarily closing homework questions (any homework questions) just for being homework questions.
 
5:35 PM
@Gallifreyan I haven't seen the physics post yet, but aren't those good guidelines for posting regular Stack questions?
 
If they're too broad ("analyse this book for me") or primarily opinion-based or unclear, then sure, close them.
 
@Randal'Thor They don't, from what I saw. It depends on how the question is phrased.
 
But is there any need to hold homework standards to a higher standard than any other questions?
 
(Also, literature.stackexchange.com/q/2398/481 might be too broad. There are five questions in there...)
 
@Gallifreyan Some, but still not much.
 
5:36 PM
Especially bearing in mind that if we do, people could just post them anyway and deny that they're homework questions.
 
@Randal'Thor That's always true.
 
Heck, some of the questions I've posted here came from my English Lit GCSE. I bet you won't be able to figure out which ones.
 
But I don't think we want this site to turn into another Yahoo Answers, where all your teachers questions are posted word for word alongside their answers. That doesn't really feel right, and I don't think we should encourage that. (I'm not sure how to do that, though. Not asking word-for-word questions that you got from your teacher might be a start)
@Randal'Thor Found one:
Nice answer! I remember coming to the same conclusion for pretty much the same reasons when I studied this poem for English Lit GCSE :-) — Rand al'Thor Apr 14 at 20:59
 
@Shokhet Dangit :-P
Betrayed by my own words!
@Shokhet Well, one way to handle that would be by voting. If enough of us simply don't like low-effort homework questions, they'll be downvoted into the cellar despite not being closeworthy.
 
no no it is not an assignment i am a graduate , I'm trying to study literature by myself and i found these questions on a story which i was reading and i can't seem to answer them :) — user1360 2 mins ago
@Randal'Thor That probably won't discourage hordes of 1-rep askers whose questions are answered but not closed. (I don't think this has become a problem yet, but we should discuss if it ever does.)
 
5:43 PM
Mass-downvoted questions are less likely to be answered, and if they get a score of -4 or lower they won't even show up on the front page of the site.
 
Okay, cool. I was thrown a little because you placed quote marks around "clothes" and "contrasts." If you can, you should probably edit your post to include a link (or citation) to the place you found those questions. That's only fair to the people who asked them originally, and also might help other users here find an answer for you more easily. — Shokhet 2 mins ago
 
I agree we should reopen the discussion if this ever becomes a really serious problem, but for now I'm not too worried.
 
@Randal'Thor True.
@Randal'Thor Then we're in perfect agreement :)
 
5:47 PM
@BeastlyGerbil I'm no expert, but if I had to guess, that would mean that we're not graduating soon (but very very unlikely that we'll be shut down).
 
This is my first beta, so no idea what that means either.
 
Apr 9 at 12:21, by Rand al'Thor
@Hamlet I've been looking at the Area51 stats for Lit (OK, they're not a perfect representation of what a site needs, but at least they're a quantitative representation). What it comes down to is we need more questions (which we've already talked about), more answers (both to unanswered questions and to already-answered ones), more users (this is the statistic we need to worry about least), and more traffic.
 
@BeastlyGerbil I'm planning on copying @Randal'Thor's "one question a day" practice when my schedule lightens up a bit.
 
Apr 15 at 23:27, by Rand al'Thor
I've been monitoring our Area 51 stats. Our questions and visits per day are both increasing (and approaching "Okay" rather than "Needs Work"), but our percentage answered is decreasing slightly.
@BeastlyGerbil TL;DR: don't worry.
 
Okay good. Just got worried with all those reds
 
5:49 PM
 
@Shokhet Correct.
 
@BeastlyGerbil I've been involved in one or two before; I don't think our stats right now are cause for undue worry. See also some of the posts on MSE (rummages around to find the right ones)
 
357
Q: Graduation, site closure, and a clearer outlook on the health of SE sites

AnaBack in April of 2010, Joel shared our assumptions about the role of small sites in the newly minted Stack Exchange network: If a site does not have enough activity at the end of 90 days, it will be closed down. Any existing Q&A will be archived and made available for download, but the site...

 
@Gallifreyan Yeah, that's what I was looking for.
 
Image courtesy of @HDE
 
5:49 PM
^^^ that's currently the canonical guidance on beta stats
 
That's HDE's, right?
 
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A: Congratulations Literature.SE!

HDE 226868Cool. This is where we have to be extremely careful, and extremely vigilant. At least one user has told me that this is the most active private beta they've been in so far. It's really tempting, therefore, to sit back and assume that we've got it all in the bag for another few weeks, because we'...

 
10 QPD is what we need to graduate, but we're also nowhere near in danger of being shut down atm.
 
we need more users for more questions
 
Well, not necessarily ...
 
5:51 PM
Can we please dupe-hammer this question?
 
@Gallifreyan HDE posted it, but he borrowed it from @Gilles (thanks for the graph! :)
 
Well, twitter and Michael Northrop might help help with that anyway
 
@BeastlyGerbil That'll help, but that's not everything
@BeastlyGerbil A little.
 
Here are some stats for other sites:
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A: What is the typical growth pattern of a new beta site in the first few weeks?

How About a Nice Big Cup ofSome data to complement the sketch given by Gilles. I picked two recent graduates and two beta sites that are just about to graduate. The graphs show posts per day. I used moderate smoothing, trying not to lose the sharp peak at the beginning. Workplace graduated 2014-02-21 Money graduat...

 
Number of users is the statistic we need to worry about least out of those Area 51 stats, IMO. It has to be monotonically increasing over time, whereas with all the others we could backslide.
 
5:53 PM
what needs most work do you think?
 
@Randal'Thor Also users != active users, which is what we really want
 
@Shokhet Well, depends what you mean. Area 51's user count only counts people with at least 200 rep, which is "active" by some measure.
 
You know how you could get more answers? Post some Hard to Be a God questions!
 
We're completely fine (by Area 51's standards) when it comes to 2k+ and 3k+ users.
 
And 10k+ ;)
 
5:55 PM
@BeastlyGerbil Think Circle of Influence and Circle of Concern. "What needs work" is probably less important for you to worry about than "what can I do to help?"
@Randal'Thor Didn't know that. Thanks for clearing that up
@Randal'Thor Oh yeah
@Shokhet and the (brief) answer to that question is: 1) continue to post good content (Qs and As) 2) try to promote the site both within the network and without.
(If I'm missing anything please let me know! :)
 
@BeastlyGerbil I suspect site traffic (visits per day) will be the hardest to work on. More questions and answers we can guarantee by, well, posting more questions and answers; for more traffic we just have to promote the site and hope.
 
@Randal'Thor Right. And more good content will also (indirectly) increase traffic through search engines.
 
What I think is good is the site is of interest to a wide audience
 
More HNQs would be one way of increasing traffic.
 
everybody keep upvoting! :P
 
5:59 PM
But HNQs often need answers which are both quick and good, and good answers here usually take a long time to write up.
 
@Randal'Thor Right, but it's hard to plan for those. Click-baitey titles and good questions probably help for that
@Randal'Thor Very true.
 
Hmm, lemme go and look at the site analytics ...
 
@BeastlyGerbil That's absolutely right. Literature is very broad, and a lot of people like to read and ask questions about a lot of things.
 
For some reason our activity keeps spiking on Tuesdays.
 
@Shokhet that's what I'm thinking.
 
6:02 PM
I'll keep that in mind for my next post @Rand ;)
 
Also, I've actually only read the first TombQuest book 🙊 but I've got a couple 'are these based on real things' I could ask.
@Shokhet ^
 
@Mithrandir Hm. Should we advise splitting the question? How? ...I don't think this needs five posts.
 
@Mithrandir What's that monkey doing there?
 
@Mithrandir K
 
@Shokhet the more questions the better ;) ...but I'm not sure.
@Randal'Thor existing
 
6:05 PM
@Mithrandir @Shokhet Let's wait until the OP gives us a source for where they got those questions
 
@Mithrandir I think the first three are the most closely related, but on a reread I think it's fine the way it is. It's all about "cultural encounter" inside of one story. (although the question might benefit by defining that term)
@Hamlet That's fair.
 
I thought I could ask a Lucifer question, since Mike Carey uses Twitter. I just have to find a good one.
 
@Gallifreyan Tag @StackLiterature if you ask it; I'll probably retweet.
 
I'm trying to decide whether to upvote the question. One one hand, it has good questions, on the other the questions are copied without attribution
 
@Hamlet Upvote for being good questions, and then if necessary delete for being plagiarism.
Quality is a separate issue from the copying-without-attribution problem.
 
6:12 PM
@Randal'Thor good point
How long should we wait until we get a source?
 
@Randal'Thor Not sure about that. The upvote tag tip says "shows good research" or something similar; the downvote says "does not show any research effort." I think +1 (good questions) -1 (no source) = 0 votes is fair. (You could drop either of the two addends from that equation for personal preference. After all, voting is always personal preference)
 
Actually, deleting for plagiarism might not be appropriate, since the OP has openly admitted in a comment that the questions aren't their own.
So they're not passing it off as their own work, which is part of the definition of plagiarism.
@Emrakul probably has the most experience with this kind of issue.
 
@Shokhet posted
 
Not connected with anything else, really...I just found chemistry.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2968/17503 in a link on another random SE site. Should we make (copy?) a (this?) tag creation guideline as explicit ?
@Mithrandir Great!
 
@Shokhet we tried those on SFF. I'm pretty sure that the result was 'meh'.
 
6:19 PM
@Mithrandir (add )
 
@Gallifreyan Yes, that was what I linked to
 
@Shokhet Please no.
Hang on, getting link ...
 
@Shokhet I know; people shouldn't be made to go to another castle for an image :)
 
There has been much discussion about tags in chat, and a lot of these individual points were quoted without much context.
@Gallifreyan Fairy nuff.
 
6:20 PM
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Q: Was the Stung Man based on an existing character from Egyptian mythology?

MithrandirThe Stung Man is the antagonist of Book of the Dead, the first TombQuest book. He's got an... Interesting backstory. The Stung Man wasn't called the Stung Man at that point, not yet. Everyone gets their nickname for a reason. As the pharaoh's men searched outside, the thief discovered that ...

 
'specially on mobile chat. That's fair.
 
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Q: Does SFF need/have an objective way of scoring tags?

KaplerI've been noticing a lot of meta questions asking whether or not some tag should be created/destroyed are including a "tag score sheet" copied from this meta post. That score sheet seems to have been copied from another Stack Exchange site and slightly modified for the effort described in that qu...

We've already been through the pain of that tagging test over on SFF, and decided it wasn't working.
(Yes, I know, different sites have different policies and all, but the arguments made in the answers to that meta post would apply here too.)
 
@Randal'Thor Yes, certainly good arguments were made there (at least the top two answers, I haven't read the others). The best was probably Shog's:
> Ain't nobody got time for that.
...if not a rigorous, semi-objective checklist, what about more general guidelines? (Although the less objective something is the harder it is to quantify)
Okay, I think you've convinced me. Looks like we'll just continue as-is, and have specific questions as needed.
 
Oh, that reminds me. I wanted to completely change our tagging system :)
 
@Shokhet Shog linked to this simpler test, which I've found useful on occasion:
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A: When to burninate

Shog9Before you start doing anything, put a little bit of thought into the request: Does this tag even need to be burninated? There are a lot of burninate-requests posted to various meta sites that are... To put it gently... A complete and utter waste of everyone's time. Some folks will seemingly p...

 
6:27 PM
@Mithrandir Post on meta! :)
 
@Mithrandir Do it overnight!
 
O_O
 
@Randal'Thor Skimmed that. Looks okay.
 
I'll just throw it out here: tag by subject of the book. Like, , etc
 
@Mithrandir It's an interesting discussion and probably deserving of meta-attention. I don't have an opinion on it right this minute, though
 
6:29 PM
@Mithrandir Define "subject of the book"?
 
@Randal'Thor what the main focus is. When applicable.
 
It will be difficult to implement, and very subjective (no pun intended). My initial feeling is "no," but post on meta for a fuller discussion.
 
@Mithrandir So it's like recommendations subtly legalised? Eeevil :D
 
@Mithrandir Define "main focus"?
My point being, it should be easy to know what tags are relevant to any given question.
 
There's a good quote i have for this...let me see if I can find it
 
6:32 PM
But with a big book that touches on many different subjects or transcends several genres ...
 
Well, that's why I added when applicable.
 
Meh. Ebook reader crashes on search. Let's try the interwebs...
 
When it has a clear, main, focus, then you use the tag. It's geared for the attract experts whatever.
 
I suspect most books either don't have a clear, main focus, or have several which could be argued about by experts ad nauseam.
 
@Mithrandir There definitely is WWII literature.
@Randal'Thor Yes, that's definitely a concern.
I'm not yet sure that this concern is enough to tell us not to go with this proposal. I still need to think about it some more
...the quote I was looking for had to do with that. It's from Name of The Wind by Patrick Rothfuss, if anyone has read it.
 
6:50 PM
OK, here's how our social media strategy should work.
I just wrote an answer challenging how many critics/reviewers have interpreted a specific passage of literature:
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A: Understanding Yann Martel's description of a tree

HamletSigh. Critical responses to Beatrice and Virgil have a tendency to completely miss the point of what is a sophisticated and innovative book. I suppose it's understandable when it's just one blog post, but when The New York Times and The Washington Post do the same thing... I suppose it's fine if ...

Now we need to get one of the reviewers to come to the site and write a response.
It's good that this is a question about which there is an actual debate, and it's good that I used language like "tendency to completely miss the point": hopefully that generates excitement, interest, passion. It's boring when everyone agrees.
 
@Hamlet Response, as in comments on your answer? or completely new answers? IMO it may be difficult to make sure that brand new stack users grok the question/answer setup.
 
@Shokhet answers; they wouldn't have reputation to post comments anyway
 
I may be worrying about nothing (and too soon), but I don't think we want to set people up to fail at the site's setup.
 
@Shokhet Ideally, I would want an answer from the person who wrote the review defending their review.
 
@Hamlet Also true. But try to come up with a careful phrasing of your invite to the site; try to encourage writing a complete new answer.
 
6:57 PM
@Hamlet Are you sure that's not too impolite?
I mean, we know about the Be Nice policy and how to stay on the right side of it. Newcomers to the site may not.
 
@Hamlet Same. I need to go soon, but I can't (atm) think of a way to encourage writing complete new answers in 140 characters or less. (Doesn't mean it can't be done)
 
I'm envisaging a worst-case scenario of people coming to the site to post non-answers which are critiques of your answer and belong in comments there, and/or are too rude to be allowed.
 
@Randal'Thor the people who wrote the reviews are professional reviewers, I don't think they'll violate the "be nice" rules
 
@Hamlet One would hope so.
@Randal'Thor Don't we all just wish there were people coming here in droves? :P
 
@Randal'Thor and I don't think my answer violates the "be nice" rules (if anyone thinks it does please let me know). I was (intentionally) a little bit aggressive, but I don't think anyone would respond with anything other than also being aggressive.
I don't know if this particular question will take off. But the lesson is: often controversy gets more clicks than a question where everyone agrees.
 
7:01 PM
Anyway. I say go for the tweet (and ping the NYTimes/WaPo authors on Twitter if you can), but try to encourage the writing of a complete answer in response. And with that I'm off.
 
(provided that the controversy doesn't violate the "Be Nice" rules, of course)
 
@Hamlet No, I don't think your answer violates Be Nice. That's partly my point: you know how to be slightly aggressive while still remaining within the rules of the site, but will they if they come here to respond?
 
@Randal'Thor professional literature critics, yes. Other people? Possibly, but if they responded to my (relatively mild) answer with Be Nice violations, imagine how they'll take someone downvoting their question?
@Randal'Thor of course, that question is also a case study in what happens with a controversial question where moderators/community members aren't on a sharp lookout for violations of the be nice policy.
 
@Randal'Thor also a case study in why moderators should have the ability to block certain questions (i.e. questions about race and gender) from the HNQ.
@Randal'Thor no, this was a helpful reminder
 
7:08 PM
@Hamlet If you think that one's bad, try this: scifi.stackexchange.com/q/114500/31394
 
I remember on Workplace.SE, there was a question about a controversial topic where the most upvoted answer was essentially a revenge fantasy (go straight to HR and get the person fired), but of course the person had the backing of HR.
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Q: What suggests Edmund might be gay?

TorisudaWhile I was doing some research, looking for an answer for Are Frog and Toad more than just friends?, I found this article listing 15 fictional characters the author thinks are probably gay. Some of them are widely joked about (Bert and Ernie, Peter Pan), but two characters on the list were deepl...

@Randal'Thor I'm hopeful that we'd have a different experience
That answer and the reaction to that answer gives me a lot of hope for this community.
 
@Hamlet I downvoted both that and the Holmes/Watson question (despite answering the latter).
 
@Randal'Thor completely understandable. But you upvoted the answer, right?
 
It irritates me when people try to read gay subtext, or any other kind of sexual subtext, into what's nothing more than a close friendship.
@Hamlet The Edmund answer, yes. I'd need a sock to upvote the Holmes/Watson answer :-P
 
@Randal'Thor I think questions would be better if they asked "why do people read [subtext x] into [book y]"
 
7:16 PM
Agreed.
Like my question about the anti-Tess interpretation of Tess of the d'Urbervilles. I think it's utterly ridiculous to read that book in an anti-Tess way and say she deserved everything she got, but I'd still be interested in why some people do (so that I can refute their arguments, if nothing else).
 
@Randal'Thor honestly, it's just misogyny.
There really isn't anything else to it. They're blaming her for things she isn't responsible for.
 
Yeah, that's my impression too.
I imagine (or at least hope) that anti-Tess readings are less common nowadays than they were in Victorian times.
 
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