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Q: I am in need of specific answers for these questions

Dominic In need of many answers If possible thank you all for grmpi g

> In need of many answers If possible thank you all for grmpi g
?????!?
 
i'm gonna edit so it's actually readable.
but geesh.
 
Mmmmm you can, but I think it will get closed anyway.
 
yeah, i know
 
There's just so many versions of those questions on the site, you can probably figure out how to answer those from some other closed question...
Editing can be a lot of fun though (not sure why).
 
phew, editing done.
 
1:03 AM
Looks good 👍
 
out of curiosity, i don't suppose you know about scanning tunneling microscopes?
 
ehehe I see the above...unfortunately not much
 
oh well.
thanks anyway =)
 
My only response would be "I don't see why not" but I have no evidence either way.
 
i'm having some indian food for dinner, and geesh, it's spicy =P i've gone through a couple glasses of milk already.
 
1:10 AM
I can't handle Indian food...can't take the heat
 
i've tried a different curry before, and i liked it, but this one, eesh.
 
From a rudimentary analysis of the pattern of keys pressed, I think "grmpi g" was meant to be "helping". However, it may also have been a Pokemon reference, I am not sure.
5
 
You kids and your Pokemon past #151...
 
I gave up at Gen III.
I don't even know where they are now... Gen 7?
 
I am the wrong person to ask. Stopped after Gold and Silver.
 
1:23 AM
Back in those days, I used to name Pokemon by the reverse of their actual names. So e.g. Feraligatr would become Rtagilaref. I don't know why.
Meh, I should probably sleep. I lost one hour of sleep yesterday and I'm still upset over it...
 
Kids! Get your sleep. I should get off YouTube but oh well.
 
You were a kid once too. :)
 
Yeah, I'm basically the same as I was in high school, all the same problems...
 
Nah, you're pretty fine.
 
i had only 5 hours of sleep friday because i had to finish a paper up (tight deadline) but i caught it all up over saturday =)
 
1:33 AM
maybe that's where I went wrong, I slept too much
 
1:56 AM
can anybody help me in this
 
 
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3:04 AM
sobs
This Jahn-Teller question is going to be the death of me. I knew I wouldn't be able to sleep without figuring it out, but figuring it out meant that I didn't get to sleep anyway.
T_T
2 hours ago, by orthocresol
Meh, I should probably sleep. I lost one hour of sleep yesterday and I'm still upset over it...
@orthocresol GO TO SLEEP
 
4:03 AM
@heather You may want to focus your efforts somewhere else. Move on and ignore. This question is going to disappear soon and so is your effort. While you have done a very nice job, it sadly will turn into thin air soon.
The edit bonus will also disappear...
 
4:45 AM
@Martin-マーチン
I've got a question for you
 
if I do population analysis on some molecule with a different basis set, I get more virtual MO's. Do you know what is the exact relationship between the basis set I use and the number of MOs it's going to spit out?
 
The number of basis functions you put in there, is the same as the number that comes out.
 
so I get exactly as many MOs out as I put basis functions in?
OK that makes sense
 
so for water, when you use 1s for H and 1s, 2s, 2p for O, you get 7 MO
when you add 2s for H and 3s, 3p for O, you get 13 MO
 
4:51 AM
@orthocresol VTC'd. It's too biology-y
 
right.
what about diffuse functions?
 
Doesn't matter, same constraints apply.
 
i don't quite understand
 
x basis functions in --> x total orbitals out
 
That is one of the principle problems for post-HF. The virtual space consumes so much space and time to compute it gets really, really inefficient
 
4:53 AM
but it's also dependent on what atoms your applying them to?
 
@gannex Only inasmuch as different atoms may have different numbers of basis functions assigned to them
(Hi, @Mart!)
 
OK, so here is the example I am looking at
 
(o/ @hBy2Py)
 
I have calculated ethylene with B3LYP/6-31g(d,p) and B3LYP/6-311++g(2d,p)
so I get 38 MOs in the first calculation and 82 in the second
how would I go about figuring out exactly where they all came from?
(I guess the problem here is I don't exactly understand what the whole basis set means. Maybe I should read the Jensen chapter)
 
yes you need to figure out what the basis set definition is
 
4:56 AM
@gannex What do you mean by where they all came from?
 
what atoms include which functions
 
OK
yeah
so I understand your water example
 
Are you trying to figure out, say, how much carbon 2s character can be found in MO #7?
 
OMG emsl is giving an error
 
CATASTROPHE
All new compchem research will now halt
 
4:58 AM
@hBy2Py no, my interest is more fundamental. It's what @Martin-マーチン said. I just want to figure out which atoms include which functions
 
Aha, basis set composition, gotcha.
 
yeah, just so I know where all those virtual MOs came from
as an exercise
 
<nod>
Having stuck my nose in unabashedly, I will now disappear and go to bed.
 
thanks @hBy2Py
goodnight!
 
hihi... bye bye
sleep tight
 
4:59 AM
OK at least I know what I need to do now
I assume I can read up on basis set composition in Jensen.
thx Martin
 
I don't remember the chapter in Jensen, but when EMSL is up again, you can directly look at the implementation of the basis set
In general i think Jensen always does a decent to good job of introducing everything, so I guess you'll be fine there
The wikipedia article is also okay-ish for an overview
A basis set in theoretical and computational chemistry is a set of functions (called basis functions) that is used to represent the electronic wave function in the Hartree–Fock method or density-functional theory in order to turn the partial differential equations of the model into algebraic equations suitable for efficient implementation on a computer. The use of basis sets is equivalent to the use of an approximate resolution of the identity. The single-particle states (molecular orbitals) are then expressed as linear combinations of the basis functions. The basis set can either be composed of...
Ina o/
(@M.A.R.)
ಠ_ಠ
 
\o
ಠ_ಠ
 
what's up?
 
Still ceiling, which means I'm not DEAD
 
5:14 AM
wut? I know there's a pun in there... but I don't get it
 
Well, one of my previous usernames is DEAD
Oh, should change my avatar now
Hmm, should I change to something non-chemical?
 
yeah why not...
 
Hmm, then what to change to?
Some cute animal that would make Ortho look like an angry boogieman?
 
!!img/cute animal
 
No result found.
 
Dang, that's gotta be fake
 
this one's good competition
 
Guardians of the Galaxy, early years
 
lol... baby rocket :D
who knew they could be that tiny... and sit down
 
5:31 AM
o/
 
!!img/baby
 
No result found.
 
!!img/BaBY
 
No result found.
 
5:36 AM
Stupid chemistry doesn't even haz a baby compound!
 
@Martin-マーチン Well what?
It feels weird having a Gravatar with something other than a transparent background
 
Curse your puns
 
You can still go ahead and try to synthesise it...
 
5:44 AM
The color of your avatar really stands out! @M.A.R.
 
Yeah, after so much time
It used to be non-existent, with some unrecognizable patterns
 
Send a 4 line message so we can see the maximum size in the chatroom
 
Okay.
Actually that might happen if you stop talking
And I get bored
So I type it large
 
Nice.
Looks like a gansta.
 
Are you kidding me?
 
5:48 AM
Of course
;-)
 
@M.A.R. no man… you still need glucose
 
For whoever doesn't know who this coolestest person is and what show they're from
@Martin-マーチン mhhh . . . .
 
i just googled Heisenberg on the image search
guess who wasn't the first hit !!wiki/werner heisenberg
 
5:51 AM
WTH happened to oneboxing?
 
!!wiki/Werner Heisenberg
 
!!wiki/Werner Heisenberg
 
Werner Karl Heisenberg (German: [ˈhaɪzənbɛɐ̯k]; 5 December 1901 – 1 February 1976) was a German theoretical physicist and one of the key pioneers of quantum mechanics. He published his work in 1925 in a breakthrough paper. In the subsequent series of papers with Max Born and Pascual Jordan, during the same year, this matrix formulation of quantum mechanics was substantially elaborated. In 1927 he published his uncertainty principle, upon which he built his philosophy and for which he is best known. Heisenberg was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics for 1932 "for the creation of quantum mechanics...
 
Jinx
 
ahhh well... case sensitivity
 
5:52 AM
Hipp your bot used to handle redirects correctly IIRC. What did you break? And if you came back to break stuff, why did you come back? ಠ_ಠ
 
I'll buy you a coke... you just have to get it ;)
 
i don't think it's hipp's fault
 
Oh, Wikipedia didn't redirect.
But why? O.o
 
because there is no page that is Werner heisenberg
or Werner_heisenberg
so it might be hipp's fault after all O.o
 
5:54 AM
o.o
 
!!wiki/werner heisenberg
 
Yup, case sensitive.
Titles on Wikipedia are case sensitive except for the first character; please check alternative capitalizations and consider adding a redirect here to the correct title.
 
@Fawad I didn't get you
 
In your BaBY compound.
 
 
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7:35 AM
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Q: What shall we do with closed, up-voted questions, which have no answers?

Martin - マーチンDuring my ventures in cleaning, I came across another phenomenon of quasi-dead questions, that won't get cleaned up, but (most) are essentially noise. There are a few (currently 227) questions which have a positive score, but are closed (excluding duplicates) and no-one "answered" them before the...

 
@Ortho whenever you felt like it, edit your meta post to request burnination of [homework] and feature it.
 
7:57 AM
Then I guess there is no course of action except posting a link in chat, if you're unhappy with mod-deleting them yourself — M.A.R. 9 mins ago
hmpf.
 
mfph
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
ಠ_ಠ
O.o It's looking up
 
8:03 AM
ಠ_ಠ
 
ಠ_ಠ
Now what to do to make it look down . . .
 
well, that might be a bit complicated
 
!!flip/**ಠ_ಠ**
 
(づಥਊಥ)づ︵**ಠ‾ಠ**
 
Well, that didn't work
 
8:11 AM
hahaha
 
!!flip/hahaha
 
(∿°○°)∿ɥɐɥɐɥɐ
 
!!flip/(!!flip/hahaha)
 
◟(`ﮧ´ ◟ ))¡¡ɟꞁᴉd/ɥɐɥɐɥɐ(
 
@skillpatrol Nice try, Hipp's bot is too stupid to break
 
8:20 AM
!!flip/!!flip
 
◟(`ﮧ´ ◟ )¡¡ɟꞁᴉd
 
!!beer
 
@Hippalectryon any ideas for a question for the hbar tender yet?
Anything is fine.
 
 
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10:31 AM
birch reduction
 
11:22 AM
What are appropriate tags for this question? Is that really on topic? What about the (self) answer?
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Q: How to remove corn syrup from a tank

CoffeeclueI have a 6000 gallon aluminum tank that has about 250 gallons of corn syrup in it. It's about 35F outside and I don't have a very efficient way of heating the tank. Corn syrup is extremely viscous at this temperature. I need to remove the syrup from the tank. I have access to cold water, but not ...

 
[corn-syrup]
@Martin-マーチン This question is unlikely to help anyone else, and it seems as the comments indicate, it lacks some info and thus unclear
@Martin-マーチン [home-experiment] [food-chemistry]?
 
well, I've given it some votes. If some others feel the same we don't have to concern ourselves with the tags anymore
 
11:39 AM
@skillpatrol Nope :( but if you have a good idea, tell me :D
 
hello
 
Jello
!!greet/heather
 
Welcome to The Periodic Table heather! Here are our chat guidelines and it's recommended that you read them. If you want to turn Mathjax on, follow the instructions in this answer. Happy chatting!
 
@Martin-マーチン ping ortho, see what he/it thinks
 
meh. I guess he'll read a bit of transcript anyway...
 
11:50 AM
thank you =)
!!thank/M.A.R.
hmm...not a command, I suppose.
!!tea
 
there we go @M.A.R.
 
Sips tea
 
!!gun
 
】゚Д゚)┳—-゚~:;’:;ω*:;’;—-
 
11:56 AM
interesting
 
i like the omega in there
 
OMG! Why wasn't that closed?
We still have not dealt with ?
 
I like the anti-synergy between all those tags
 
@Martin-マーチン Jeez
 
12:07 PM
Somebody needs to take a break
 
@M.A.R. you gonna bring me a !!beer?
 
@M.A.R. I'm a she.
 
12:23 PM
@orthocresol No you're not
 
Are you assuming my gender?
 
You're assuming your own gender
I've left two options open, so it's not assuming
 
@orthocresol {s...}he?
 
As for corn syrup question...
Idk. Yeah, doesn't feel very useful.
Brb... need to get out of bed...
 
so sorry about that... well. I'll be heading into bed soon :D
 
12:27 PM
Haha that's early
 
@orthocresol o.O Aren't you in Oxford?
 
Nothing to be sorry for..
Yeah, I am. However, I also slept far too late last night.
 
It's 1 p.m., slacker
 
Holidays mean that I can wake up at whatever time I like.
Anyway, for homework, I think I'll wait a couple more days or so then make a new post. Unless you were planning to write something about it?
 
@orthocresol didn't say I was sleeping... but currently that is still the warmest place...
 
12:33 PM
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Q: What is the relationship between UV resistance and object color?

A.trudeaudoes black color affected with UV radiation and the white color doesn't

 
@orthocresol I'm thinking you edit your post to clear-cut-ly ask for burnination, and I would, a couple of days later, write up a post about the event
 
@Martin-マーチン ah, yes, that also explains my inability to get out of bed...
However, eventually the need to eat lunch will force me to get up.
 
Can we finish the reaction business first? It's not going to be long (from our site) anymore.
 
Yes. Are there many questions left only tagged with reaction?
 
Shouldn't be I think. Let's wait until data.se updates
 
12:36 PM
Okay.
 
@Martin-マーチン ?
 
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Q: Should we delete and blacklist [reaction]?

Martin - マーチン I am officially changing the post to a tag-blacklist-request. I think, and so far there was no objection, that it is a meta-tag, and that it is not helpful. Unlike homework or reference-request it basically only serves as a placeholder. I would say it is on par (maybe a tiny bit better) with ...

 
No, I meant why do you need data.SE to see how many q's are tagged?
 
I need the SEDE query to find questions that have reaction as their sole tag, that's not possible with the normal search
 
12:40 PM
Oh
 
I'm not going through 900 questions all by myself...
 
Couldn't you have said this before? ಠ_ಠ
@Martin-マーチン What's the worst that could happen?
 
5 mins ago, by orthocresol
Yes. Are there many questions left only tagged with reaction?
@M.A.R. losing my mind, I guess
not good enough?
 
@Martin-マーチン There is [chromatography] already, no?
Jinx
 
12:44 PM
Who creates these tags?
 
the latter is not overcrowded... so we could just rid ourselves now
 
@Martin-マーチン now that I think about it, you can synonymize them
 
indeed...
do we need tlc though?
 
1:07 PM
@Martin-マーチン What does it hurt as a synonym?
It would most probably help
And it would for sure not be created in the future
!!flip/🚅
 
(づಥਊಥ)づ︵🚅
 
someone already cleaned it out...
 
[colligative-prroperties]??
 
@Martin-マーチン Yeah, someone named me. Just synonymize it already
@Fl.pf. They're emphatic properties
 
including the typo?
 
1:16 PM
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Q: Colligative properties and sizes of particles

SupernovaWhy do colligative properties only depend on the number of particles and not the size? My argument being that since the root cause of these properties is the occurrence of solute particles on the surface, reducing the vapour pressure of the solvent, shouldn't bigger molecules such as urea, give ...

 
Please. PLEASE pay attention to the tags you're creating. You've been creating a lot of typo-y and wrong tags lately, and they've been a pain to clean. Don't edit, and take a second look at the tags on your questions. — M.A.R. 8 secs ago
 
As much as we're running around cleaning up tags, I would love to have the requirement upped a bit...
 
Well, that's a high-level requirement. It would take dev time, and lots of it because help center stuff would need to be updated etc.
While we're at it, we can serially downvote the perpetrator >:)
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Q: Decrease in weight of solution and solute as a function of vapor pressure

Aditya SherIn a recent exam, I came across this question. A dry air is passed through the solution, containing the 10 g of solute and 90 g of water and then it pass through pure water. There is the depression in weight of solution it by 2.5 g and in weight of pure solvent by 0.05 g. Calculate ...

Other tags for this?
 
1:22 PM
what I don't get: make a new tag at 300, propose a synonym at 2500, and that never worked in the first place
@M.A.R. :P
 
BTW, do we need both [pressure] and [vapor-pressure]?
I feel nice now that we're back to the tag heat. Makes me feel alive.
 
without review, I think we do.
pressure might be linked to system pressure, partial pressure K_p, etc.
vapour-pressure is a primarily a physical property
 
I know they're different, but vapor pressure is kinda the subset, no?
 
Let me finish... !!flip/@M.A.R.
 
(づ๑ʖ๑)┛︵@W˙Ɐ˙ᴚ˙
 
1:27 PM
Although it has more questions, meaning, as I suspected, it's been taught in a crappier way
 
well... I said without review...
 
!!flip/@W˙Ɐ˙ᴚ˙
 
( つ•̀ω•́)つ@M.A.R.
 
anyway, i need to go home now... see y'all later
 
Cya
 
1:28 PM
does !!untable stil work?
 
┬━┬ ノ( ゜¸゜ノ)
 
it does...
:D
bye
 
2:08 PM
@Martin-マーチン tata
 
 
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3:31 PM
@Fl.pf. Tony the Tiger does physical chemistry
@M.A.R. <nod>, concur, seems a reasonable synonym (@Mart)
 
@hBy2Py Don't ping him, he's zzz'ing now
Prolly
 
I HAZ MUCH URGENCIES!
 
Don't agree
 
tlc is a subset of chromatography, we shouldn't map subsets
 
3:33 PM
Title of the day
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Q: REALLY NEED HELP! QUICK!

Jake ZurynskiI have no idea how to do this, its due tonight at 12... Thanks! The final step in manufacture of pure platinum (for use in automobile catalytic converters and other purposes) is the decomposition reaction of (NH4)2PtCl6. In addition to the solid metal, the following gaseous byproducts are also f...

 
@M.A.R. If he hasn't silenced his phone, it's his own stinkin' fault.
@orthocresol Ah, good point.
synonym = identity
 
Right now, I guess we don't have that many chromatography questions, let alone TLC. However, if in the future we decide that it's a good idea to split chromatography up into its subsets, then TLC can't be a synonym anymore.
But to be honest, I don't know 100% how tag synonyms work. Maybe it might still be a good idea.
!!flip/Stack Exchange
 
@M.A.R. Welcome to Chemistry! -1
 
( つ•̀ω•́)つSʇɐɔʞ Ǝxɔɥɐuƃǝ
 
@orthocresol Pssht meh, good for now, for prohibiting creation of a tag we don't need.
 
3:36 PM
Yeah.
 
@M.A.R. Are synonym definitions easily reversible by those with the privs?
 
If we ever needed to create a separate tag, it's gotta be as easy for a mod as synonymizing it was
 
I think it is.
 
@hBy2Py I guess so
 
Lemme play around with it a bit
 
3:37 PM
If it goes too long without desynonymization, though, it could turn into a painful retag process
TAG SYNONYM SOCKPUPPETRY!! BAN BAN BAN!!
 
Oh.. Martin already made it a synonym..
 
@hBy2Py Well, creating a new tag always starts by 1 question
So that argument doesn't apply.
 
Anyway, removing it as a synonym basically consists of clicking on a "x" sign.
 
Wow, too much work indeed
Go get lunch
 
Better hit the gym before attempting that one.
The major categories would be, what... TLC, GC, LC?
Just about every other xxC I've come across would be a subset of LC
(I think)
 
3:39 PM
Solid chromatography, of course.
 
Is that actually a thing? Isn't that, what... sieving?
 
Haha I don't actually know
 
Well, I think it's a thing
!!wiki/Solid chromatography
 
I know 'solid phase extraction' is a thing
 
3:41 PM
No articles on Wikipedia.
 
But that's just basically a variation on LC
 
It's definitely non-existent :P
 
TLC is really itself a subset of LC
 
Yeah.
 
Just uses a planar media bed instead of a tubular column
I could see the chromatography subtag debate taking on something of the aspect of the / / debacle, though.
 
3:51 PM
And we don't even have chromatography experts.
groans
 
4:02 PM
We used to.
 
I'm sure we still do, actually. Just that most of the chat regulars are either computational, organic, or Loong.
 
4:21 PM
Teehee
 
4:42 PM
@Hippalectryon I think you should formally ask this question to help future students
in The h Bar, Jul 16 '15 at 20:54, by Hippalectryon
Hi! I'm studying a usual linear accelerator for electrons and I'm trying to get the force that corresponds to the power radiated ($P=m\tau \ddot{x}^2$). I've tried calculating the associated work which gives me $W=m\tau\int_0^T\ddot{x}^2\mathrm{d}t=\int_0^T\vec{F_r}\cdot\vec{\dot{x}}\mathrm‌​{d}t$, how do I continue ?
That is what this site is all about.
Plus you could answer it yourself and get more points :P
 
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