The h Bar

@JohnRennie Unfortunately? :-) In your profile picture, you stare down upon us all, as though u are the evil villain you have so longed to be so seeing you smile was...strange, to say the least :-P

Kenshin

any engineering job would give a decent income

6. Computer Science

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H I was young and innocent in those days ...

Kenshin

10:11 AM

Computer science has great prospects and will likely improve

Ramanujan

Yeah@Kenshin, I have heard about it...

user228700

@JohnRennie :-) Nostalgia much?

Ramanujan

I have also heard that computeer engineer earn $12000 ++ in US..

Kenshin

per what?

per month?

Ramanujan

@JohnRennie, Hello sir..

John Rennie

10:13 AM

@Kaumudi.H I had forgotten how much fun that trip was. We motorbiked from Cambridge to Rome. The outbound leg took us through Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, and Austria and we came back through France.

Ramanujan

@Kenshin, per month

Kenshin

@Ramanujan we usually quote salaries per year, and a computer scientist with experience would easily get $100,000 per year

skill patrol

Why is Economics #1? What about the MBA/Law program?

user228700

@JohnRennie Yes, I remember. You and a friend of yours from university, yes?

John Rennie

Yes

Kenshin

10:14 AM

@skillpatrol because of his skillset

Law is pretty boring and not many real law jobs around

the Law profession is flooded in Australia

Ramanujan

@Kenshin, Oh. That's also quite good.

Kenshin

But I"m sure Law/MBA would be a good course

user228700

@JohnRennie I can't imagine how...exhilarating it must've been.

Kenshin

but usually you do an MBA in australia after you already have management experience

Ramanujan

@Kenshin, what job opportunities are available for PhD in maths/

Kenshin

10:15 AM

lots

Ramanujan

@Kenshin, such as.

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H we weren't exactly exploring the wilderness, but it was fantastic to visit so many places I hadn't been to. I found my diary from the trip along with the photos and reread it last night with much enjoyment :-)

Kenshin

@Ramanujan sorry I misunderstood, there's not many jobs for maths PhD's unfortunately

I mean, they will be employed

user228700

Yaay, the diary! :-) Reading it was awesome, wasn't it?

Kenshin

but not necessarily in high paying jobs that utilize their expertise

it is better to have a degree in engineering than a maths PhD

Ramanujan

10:17 AM

@Kenshin, what about chartered accountancy?

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H I suspect with time you forget the boring and unpleasant bits, but I certainly remember it as the best holiday of my life (so far :-)

Kenshin

@Ramanujan yes that is a good job

you will get a stable income

probably up to $90,000 per year

on average

and if you do well you will probably get more

often though you need to do more than just a degree

user228700

@JohnRennie :-) It sounds next level.

Kenshin

You would need to do further study after degree to become "chartered"

John Rennie

I also found this (photo incoming ...):

Kenshin

10:18 AM

your work might pay for this

2017

Joining a field of study just looking at potential income isn't a very good idea in my opinion...

John Rennie

Kenshin

2017 is right you have to balance your passions with earnings

but I think both need consideration

John Rennie

That's my pilot's licence to fly gliders!

2017

It will be better to sit back and think what you want to really want to do

Kenshin

10:19 AM

If one has their passion without money they won't be happy

If one has money but not their passion they wont' be happy

user228700

@JohnRennie !!!

Kenshin

YOu need balance to be happy

John Rennie

From 1979, gosh that's a long time ago :-)

Kenshin

Congratulations @JohnRennie :)

user228700

@JohnRennie 20 years before I was even born! :-) And lol, yes, belated congratulations!

Ramanujan

10:20 AM

@Kenshin, @2017, we must be able to sell ourselves in this competitive world with what we learn, isn't it?

Kenshin

The purpose of work is to earn money

So money should definitely be a consideration

But the more fun you have while making money the better

So if you hare having lots of fun, you can accept less money

because the fun is a form of compensation

Total compensation = Monetary + Intrinsic (i.e. enjoyment)

You should try to maximize total compensation

Ramanujan

@Kenshin, yeah. I am in transitional phase now. so I am enquiring

2017

@Ramanujan Sell yourself? Yuck! You are not a product to be sold. You are someone who has the power to change the future by excelling in fields which you love.

user228700

@Kenshin I have been refraining from participating in this conversation for I am certain that it will lead to other tangents. However, let me submit that this philosophy hasn't been accepted by those who have done the best work in their respective fields.

Kenshin

@Kaumudi.H you're right. I should clarify the purpose of a "job" is to make money

user228700

10:23 AM

^ I suppose, yes.

user228700

@JohnR: I upset Bernardo last night by saying this:

user228700

12 hours ago, by Kaumudi. H

@BernardoMeurer He certainly made for a much cuter nerd!

Ramanujan

@Kenshin, what kind of further studies are to be done to be a "Chartered" accountant?

Kenshin

@Ramanujan it depends on your country, do you plan to work in Australia after graduation or India?

each country would have their own rules for how to be come "chartered". In Australia the degree is just the starting point then you probably need x years of work experience and sit additiaonl exams while working etc.

Ramanujan

@Kenshin, If I got chance, I will definitely choose the best

Kenshin

10:25 AM

@Ramanujan is your family in Australia? It would be very hard to live away from family for a long period of time.

2017

Agreed ^

Balarka Sen

what are we talking about

skill patrol

money

Ramanujan

@Kenshin, Not my family.. but some of my relatives, brothers, uncles, etc..

2017

@BalarkaSen Ramanujan is asking about the best professions for him..

Kenshin

10:26 AM

@BalarkaSen how to make the big bucks

2017

LOL :D

Kenshin

@Ramanujan but what about your own family?

user228700

@BalarkaSen Work and JohnR's pictures from his road-trip of sorts.

Kenshin

what about your parents @Ramanujan, don't you want to stay with them?

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H yes, I read back through last night's log. Oh well, Bernardo will get over it :-)

Ramanujan

10:27 AM

@Kenshin, Of course ..i do

user228700

:-) I did clarify but oh well.

Ramanujan

@Kenshin, what about Pharmaceutical?

Kenshin

@Kaumudi.H what do you mean by he made for a cuter nerd

@Ramanujan pharmacy sucks in Australia

no jobs, all low paying

ACuriousMind

@Kenshin It would? That depends highly on the type of person you are and the kind of bond you have with your family

user228700

@Kenshin Which part of this sentence is incomprehensible?

Ramanujan

10:28 AM

@Kenshin, oh.

Kenshin

about 10 years ago it was the job everyone wanted

and the market was flooded lol

Balarka Sen

@Kenshin do a bankrobbery. what's the big deal?

4

ACuriousMind

^Balarka's got life all figured out

Kenshin

@Kaumudi.H did you mean John is cuter than Bernard?

Balarka Sen

@ACuriousMind I solved consciousness

Kenshin

10:29 AM

lol

Ramanujan

@Kenshin, how much do engineer earn on average?

2017

@BalarkaSen This is seriously awesome :D I was going to say: "Become an astrologer or politician" :'P

You broke the record :P

Kenshin

@Ramanujan I think engineers earn on average $90,000 to $100,000 per year but good ones and managers can earn up to $200,000+ per year

ACuriousMind

@BalarkaSen Congrats. Now solve world peace.

4

user228700

@Kenshin First of all, I wasn't aware that Bernardo identifies as a nerd rather than a geek. Secondly, well, not now but back in the day, it does look like he made for a cute nerd, what with the huge spectacles and all.

ACuriousMind

10:30 AM

@Kaumudi.H Obligatory skcd.

2

Kenshin

lol sorry @Kaumudi.H I don't know the context I just read your comment and saw Bernard was offended. I guess you weren't really saying Berno wasn't cute?

@Kaumudi.H btw do you think Berno is cute or not?

user228700

@Kenshin No, I was not! >.<

user228700

@Kenshin Yep, go ahead, throw me under the bus, everyone.

Kenshin

lol

ACuriousMind

I don't think "Berno" is an acceptable shortening of "Bernardo" :P

Kenshin

10:31 AM

you don't have to answer lol

user228700

@ACuriousMind :-P

user228700

...and he's not even here. I think it's up to him, what's acceptable and what's not.

Ramanujan

@Kenshin, which is the most demanded engineering in Australia?

ACuriousMind

Why do you wanna go to Australia

Kenshin

@ACuriousMind cos it's awesome

skill patrol

10:33 AM

for money

Kenshin

lol

Balarka Sen

@ACuriousMind I was supposed to work on it but the president of US took up that job, so let's leave that to him

ACuriousMind

@Kenshin I prefer my fauna less deadly :)

Kenshin

@Ramanujan money isn't everything, don't sacrifice too much for money

user228700

@BalarkaSen What about poverty?

ACuriousMind

10:34 AM

@BalarkaSen :P

Kenshin

deleted just in case

skill patrol

like crocodile dundee?

Kenshin

@Ramanujan Civil engineers are most in demand

Civil engineers construct things like bridges, roads, canals, dams, buildings etc.

Balarka Sen

@Kaumudi.H Comrade Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin already has stuff to say about that.

Ok, I'm going to switch off the satire mode

user228700

@BalarkaSen :-P

Ramanujan

10:37 AM

@Kenshin,Oh

Kenshin

@Ramanujan how much coin do you want to make?

2017

Coin?

ACuriousMind

1 million coin. :P

skill patrol

bit coin

cha ching

Kenshin

go to zimbabwe then

Ramanujan

10:38 AM

@Kenshin, I am thinking about engineering. But I also like chartered accountancy

@ACuriousMind, where are you from/

Kenshin

@Ramanujan they are totally different jobs

ACuriousMind

@Ramanujan Germany

Kenshin

With accountancy you will likely have a lot of spare time

the job is boring

but likely always have a job

Ramanujan

@Kenshin, oh. its was nice talking to you. thanks.

Kenshin

np mate

Ramanujan

10:41 AM

@ACuriousMind, are you a pure physicist?

John Rennie

Pure? !!! :-)

Ramanujan

@JohnRennie, Degree in Physics.

2017

Nothing is pure nowadays :P

Kenshin

and did his parents both have physics degrees

2017

@Ramanujan physics.stackexchange.com/users/50583/acuriousmind

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ACuriousMind

10:43 AM

@Ramanujan Depends on what you mean by that. Some would call me a mathematician.

Kenshin

@ACuriousMind what is your level?

@ACuriousMind, why??

@Kenshin level 85

not bad

@Ramanujan Why what?

10:45 AM

you can probably make the physics guild with that

do you have a PhD @ACuriousMind

ACuriousMind

No, I'm a master's student

Ramanujan

@ACuriousMind, mathematician / physicist??""

Kenshin

ah cool

@ACuriousMind were you born in Germany?

you speak very good english

ACuriousMind

@Ramanujan Sorry, still not sure what you want to know - what I do involves abstract mathematics and theoretical physics. Whether you want to call me a mathematician or a physicist depends on your view where physics ends and where mathematics begins

2017

He writes good English :P You never heard him speak! @Kenshin

ACuriousMind

10:47 AM

@Kenshin Yes

Kenshin

@2017 true he could be using google translate

@ACuriousMind what is your opinion on Brittain wanting to leave the EU?

2017

@Kenshin LOL :D

Slereah

@ACuriousMind is obviously a mathematician

I'm not quite sure I ever saw him do something really physicky.

skill patrol

I have.

Slereah

Quick @ACuriousMind, without looking, what's the energy of the first hydrogen orbital

Ramanujan

10:49 AM

@ACuriousMind, Why aren't you much active on MSE?

ACuriousMind

@Kenshin I'm really not in the mood for discussing that

@Slereah 13.6 eV

Slereah

Sorry, the answer was -13.6 eV

Kenshin

np I'll take that as a negative opinoin

Slereah

Off by 200%

Quite bad

ACuriousMind

@Ramanujan Because I don't like it there - all the homeworky no-effort questions and boring integrals drown out everything that might interest me

2017

10:51 AM

Depends. If you meant binding energy then it will be positive.

Kenshin

@Ramanujan please wait for ACM's AMA session to ask so many questions

Slereah

Yeah MSE is pretty bad

PSE is also pretty bad but in a different way

ACuriousMind

@Slereah lol, well, I'm no experimentalist!

Slereah

The bad questions in PSE are more "I don't know anything about physics but I have this question about a very complicated physics topic"

Ramanujan

@Kenshin, AMA?

Kenshin

10:52 AM

yeah breo

Ramanujan

What's that?

Kenshin

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Q: Physics Stack Exchange "Ask me anything" (AMA)

Purpose The user base of Physics Stack Exchange is rather diverse in terms of cultural background, career progress, field of expertise, and personality. While the discussion in hbar is lively, it is mostly focused on physics, with some side conversations on a variety of topics from cooking to fa...

discussion chat-events ask-me-anything

ACuriousMind

@Kenshin I'll perhaps do one when I have a finished master's thesis I can talk about, but no promises

Kenshin

aw k

Ramanujan

@ACuriousMind, If everyone thinks like that. Then where are the new self learners supposed to learn?

Kenshin

10:53 AM

lol

ACuriousMind

@Ramanujan What?

Sorry, I don't understand your question

Kenshin

yeah @ACuriousMind they have to learn somewhere!

Ramanujan

@ACuriousMind chat.stackexchange.com/users/121322

Kenshin

?

ACuriousMind

@Slereah Yeah, I don't like those much either

Ramanujan

10:55 AM

@ACuriousMind, Everyone has difficulties.

ACuriousMind

@Ramanujan That's me.

Slereah

Bad PSE questions are like

What happens if you put a black hole in a black hole???

Also throw in a cosmic string

Why not

Kenshin

@Ramanujan what are you talking about?

2017

Bad PSE questions are funny. Bad MSE questions are annoying. :D

Ramanujan

@ACuriousMind, Why aren't you supposed to help in homework like questions?

Kenshin

10:56 AM

oh

Slereah

not even annoying, just boring

Kenshin

cos homework is for students to do themselves

Ramanujan

@Kenshin,//

Slereah

Bad MSE question are like "How can I show that this function converges"

Kenshin

@Ramanujan for homework we use physics.qandaexchange.com

ACuriousMind

10:57 AM

@Slereah Now, on rpg.SE that'd be "What happens if I put a bag of holding inside a bag of holding?" and would attract several carefully reasoned rules-lawyer answers :P

@Ramanujan Oh, I don't know whether I'm supposed to or not, but I just don't want to. I find solving exercises boring and much prefer conceptual questions.

Ramanujan

@Kenshin, for maths?

2017

@Ramanujan Do you help your juniors in solving their homework on MSE/PSE/Chem SE or real life? Most people are too busy!

Kenshin

@Ramanujan no for physics. Maths.SE allows homeowkr

ACuriousMind

I also think that answering any given homework question rarely helps the actual understanding of many people unless you write an exceptional answer. And I care more about understanding than about people finishing their homework for the week.

Kenshin

We also worry about juniors learning too much and then competing with us for jobs

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