@barbarabeeton last winter, actually. Needless to say, this winter the journey would have been more interesting, with all the snow, ice, black ice, fog, frost, ...

@barbarabeeton How the snowstorm going?

@CarLaTeX I am not an individual member, but I got a spot last year and the year before. It is somebody else's turn.

@cfr you may refuse, but first see how may are the candidates, I've seen that last year there were only eight candidate! BTW, I'll nominate Zarko, too!

@ChristianHupfer You ar welcome.

@CarLaTeX My pleasure. :-)

@CarLaTeX Carla, I am very honored. You are very kind. Thank you ver much.

@Jan You're welcome! You're very nice too!

@TorbjørnT., @Werner, @StevenB.Segletes, @moewe: are you already TUG members?

@cfr, @Jan, @Zarko, @samcarter, @GustavoMezzetti You have been nominated by a third party in the TUG rep thread (meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/7212): are you happy for this nomination to be taken forward?

CTAN update of l3kernel will go this morning

@CarLaTeX <3

@yo' ooh

@egreg why there are hindrances?

@CarLaTeX I think I am.

@TorbjørnT. You would know: it involves paying them :)

@CarLaTeX Specifying the table notes as argument is really cumbersome; leaving off the explicit \label command makes it more difficult to look for labels. And so on.

@JosephWright Yes, but I couldn't remember if I had done that already or not. But I have.

@JosephWright That's the most painful part. :)

@JosephWright ^^

@egreg -- it stopped snowing sometime after sundown, but we haven't been outside yet to see how deep it is. the office won't be opening until 10:00 (usual time is 08:00), to allow time for cleanup. we had "thundersnow" -- very exciting. too exciting -- lightning struck a house near ours and apparently started a fire; from an upstairs window which i happened to be looking out at the time, the flash looked like it was right in our back yard! very scary!

@barbarabeeton Impressive!

@CarLaTeX There is surely a way to make para,flushleft the default, so you just need \begin{tablenotes} and an editor macro is even more convenient.

@DavidCarlisle Why doesn't \TU-cmd do the same as other similar commands? One cannot exclude that a document uses other encodings.

@egreg Ok, I'll try, thank you!

@egreg er mwe? As far as I remember there is nothing in the kernel special for TU it's just defined via a .def like T1, did we miss something?

@DavidCarlisle Here it is

\expandafter\show\csname TU-cmd\endcsname
> \TU-cmd=macro:
#1->\ifx \protect \@typeset@protect \@inmathwarn #1\else \noexpand #1\expandaft
er \@gobble \fi .

\expandafter\show\csname OT1-cmd\endcsname
> \OT1-cmd=macro:
#1#2->\ifx \protect \@typeset@protect \@inmathwarn #1\expandafter \ifx \csname
\cf@encoding \string #1\endcsname \relax \expandafter \ifx \csname ?\string #1\
endcsname \relax \expandafter \def \csname ?\string #1\endcsname {\TextSymbolUn
available #1}\fi \global \expandafter \let \csname \cf@encoding \string #1\expa
ndafter \endcsname \csname ?\string #1\endcsname \fi \csname \cf@encoding \stri
ng #1\expandafter \endcsname \else \noexpand #1\fi .

@DavidCarlisle OK, false alarm.

@egreg yes but that's just the short circuit version

@DavidCarlisle Fine. Checked in a different situation

@egreg s/false alarm/**wrong**/ ?

@WillRobertson Do you have the double mapping entry problem (Ligatures=TeX conflicts with Mapping= ) already on your agenda or should I better add an entry to the issue tracker so that it doesn't get forgotten? (On the xetex list the same problem appeared with devanagari and Mapping=velthuis-sanskrit).

@egreg P.S. = not with an editor macro because I haven't found an editor that satisfies me completly yet...

@CarLaTeX fill in the missing letters: e_a_s

@DavidCarlisle ooh Evans

@PauloCereda Not bad! you got three of the letters right

@DavidCarlisle I tried with vim. :)

@PauloCereda you mean you tried to type the answer with vim, but it came out incorrectly? That's to be expected.

@DavidCarlisle :)

@JosephWright Hello Joseph, I am very honored of the nomination. I am member of DANTE but not TUG.

@DavidCarlisle m and c, obviously!

@CarLaTeX o.O

@PauloCereda Fill in the missing letters: t_e_i_

@egreg o _ n _ !

@PauloCereda \ExplSyntaxOn\prg_replicate:nn{100}{I~must~write~a~thesis\par}\ExplSyntaxOff

@egreg :)

@CarLaTeX Alas, I am not a TUG member.

@StevenB.Segletes oh no

@Steven: nominate yourself, please. :)

@PauloCereda In the words of Groucho Marx, "I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member". Seriously, though, I have no time to give.

@StevenB.Segletes Please, you are a great user and it would be awesome to see your name in the list.

@StevenB.Segletes you are not expected to "represent" tex.sx or put any time in, basically it's just a present of tugboat (the TUG journal) for a year.

@egreg only a 100?

@DavidCarlisle are we going to nominate Barbara? :)

@JosephWright In principle yes, I edited meta.tex.stackexchange.com/a/7219/36296 to add my point of vew

@DavidCarlisle Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes

@DavidCarlisle It's easy to change it to a much higher value.

@DavidCarlisle You're forgetting that you can suddenly see all the not yet public articles of TUG boat, reading them can consume a lot of time :)

@StevenB.Segletes: too late: meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/7212/…

@PauloCereda Whew! Another bullet dodged.

@StevenB.Segletes :)

@StevenB.Segletes: ducks are very smart creatures. :)

@StevenB.Segletes don't you like horses?

@egreg, @DavidCarlisle ^^ :)

@StevenB.Segletes I wanted to candidate you but I think @PauloCereda arrived first!

@CarLaTeX I wrote a very detailed description on why @Steven should be nominated. It's a beautiful text, almost a masterpiece of how eloquent ducks can be on describing the merits of great TeX.sx users like @Steven. :)

@PauloCereda I hope I'll see it soon!

@CarLaTeX You can ask other 10k users to give you a preview. :) I won't spoil my text. :)

Ask @DavidCarlisle, for example.

David will vouch for my eloquent text.

@PauloCereda noooo, I don't want to ruin the surprise!

@PauloCereda it's even morer eloquenter than If I had wrote it myself

@DavidCarlisle <3

@UlrikeFischer A little bit of both :) What do you think should happen when someone "overloads" a mapping ? Warn that the previous value has been dropped?

@WillRobertson concat the map files, run the teckit thing and load the combined mapping?

@DavidCarlisle Heh. No.

@WillRobertson Hm. I never saw a question where someone asked why the arab-mapping or the sanskrit overwrites the tlig-mapping (or some other mapping) so I don't see much pressing need for a warning. Also you don't warn when other "overloads".

@UlrikeFischer True. So the real problem is the order of precedence for Ligatures=TeX being different than for Mapping=tex-text. I started working on a solution but I'm now too tired to debug my half-working solution, so I might need to finish off tomorrow :)

@WillRobertson if the compiler was in the texlive safe shell-escape thing it wouldn't be totally impossible. But in practice probably anyone making a mapping file can include tex-text if they want at the time of definition so perhaps not worth it.

@DavidCarlisle Yeah I think that's the main thing :)

@DavidCarlisle This imho wouldn't work. If one map would make -- to endash and the other -a to x, the wanted result for --a is unclear.

@UlrikeFischer well true but at least you'd get some understandable combined behaviour and if that isn't sensible you might guess to only load one of the maps. But just silently doing the last supplied mapping should also be fine in practice I agree

@WillRobertson did you put that vargreek thing back (at least as a no-op) seems like you awesome-cv was using it....

@DavidCarlisle Do you mean "Seems like I should" ? I'll do my best to do a unicode-math update over the weekend too; fontspec is more pressing at the moment.

@WillRobertson not that keen on pointless compatibility options but (like having to make l3sort not an error) there is an argument for not upsetting beginning users trying a cv as their first document:-)

@DavidCarlisle It's only temporary there: notice the explicit expiry date!

@JosephWright ooh can something bad happen after the date?

@UlrikeFischer Oh wait that was an easy fix. Okay, that behaviour should now be sorted. Thanks again!

@PauloCereda Your documents break :)

@PauloCereda You'd better finish your thesis before then.

@WillRobertson oh no worries, it's only my thesis...

OH WAIT

OH NO

@PauloCereda :)

@WillRobertson this is terrorism. :)

Wait, it's academia. Well, it's the same. :D

@DavidCarlisle True true. I'm surprised anyone ever used it! In fact, I also received an email today about it from Reinhard Kotucha.

Okay, it's late already. Good night!

@WillRobertson night

@JosephWright yes same here really, only needs to be there long enough for someone to fix the class file not to use it.

@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright The class is already fixed on github.

@UlrikeFischer ah good to know, thanks

@egreg @PauloCereda is writting a thesis? That's new to me ;-)

@ChristianHupfer Rumors.

@egreg No Fake News? ;-)

@DavidCarlisle Would you like to convert your comment (tex.stackexchange.com/questions/287611/…) into an answer? Otherwise I would add a CW answer to remove the question from the unanswered list.

@ChristianHupfer oy

@PauloCereda <3

@ChristianHupfer ε>

@egreg, @UlrikeFischer Update to deal with the l3sort issue and to propagate the new xparse support for #n has been installed at CTAN

@egreg, @UlrikeFischer I've set some 'expiry dates' for the old .sty files: l3basics, etc., at the end of this year, l3sort at the end of next (probably along with anything else we move before the TL freeze: I will push the team to make more stuff stable)

@ChristianHupfer We could submit a request for investigation to some debunking site.

@egreg Skeptics.sx? :)

@PauloCereda Good idea!

@PauloCereda Or Wikileaks

@egreg oh no

@egreg OH NO

I want to use

How do I install it in latex? I use to right it in the commandline before I begin a document like this

\begin{document} ... \end{document}

@samcarter just undelete the one you did already?

@OlePetersen that with \documentclass{article} (for example) above. tcolorbox is in miktex and texlive so most likely you have it installed already

@OlePetersen Very good choice !

@Jan and @CarLaTeX: I've added a comment on the Meta TUG representative 2017 post which users have been nominated so far, such that no unnecessary duplicates show up

@ChristianHupfer Thomas is a great name.

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage{newunicodechar}
\newunicodechar{ᴏ}{\textsc{o}}
\newunicodechar{ɢ}{\textsc{g}}
\newunicodechar{ɴ}{\textsc{n}}
\newunicodechar{ᴇ}{\textsc{e}}
\newunicodechar{ᴋ}{\textsc{k}}
\begin{document}
(U+02DB ᴏɢᴏɴᴇᴋ)
\end{document}

^ Is there any easier way to do this in pdfLaTeX?

@PauloCereda Yes, indeed

@PauloCereda: What about Bernard? and @TorbjørnT.

@ChristianHupfer The bloke who sang Et maintenant?

@ChristianHupfer Torbjørn probably has one, but he's always a good name.

@PauloCereda Je ne sais pas. Peut etre c'est cette bloke ;-)

@PauloCereda You can nudge,nudge @TorbjørnT. then ;-)

@ChristianHupfer: I'd be a little precautious when adding people. The whole purpose was people to nominate themselves, not exactly the way we are doing so far. :) If we keep adding people, we might end up creating some sort of civil war. :)

@PauloCereda That's because I said 'nudge, nudge' (I know, I've added a name too, some minutes ago)

@PauloCereda: But I find the nomination by others not really bad.

@wilx No.

@egreg I thought so, OK. Thank you.

@wilx But why don't do it directly: (U+02DB \textsc{ogonek})

@ChristianHupfer Thank you, we have more candidates than positions, a real competition this year!

@egreg Well, a friend was asking and stated "without modifying the source".

@CarLaTeX Yes and no: Given, all candidates nominated are willing to participate really

@ChristianHupfer I do.

@CarLaTeX That was something I was trying to avoid.

@wilx The source has capital letters, if it is from Unicode

@ChristianHupfer Ops... forget it!

@egreg The source has LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL O etc.

@egreg Hah. Interesting.

@wilx Whoever wrote that source is abusing Unicode.

I am using TeXShop on OS X. Can I maintain the zoom level in the preview window when recompiling? It jumps back to fit the window width every time. I am tired, and I am frustrated by the small text in the preview window.

never mind, I figured it out ... Preview menu -> Magnification

Sometimes you have to ask first to find the solution on your own ... I know it's stupid.

@egreg -- not so strange as far as unicode itself is concerned. those small caps are not there to form a small caps alphabet, but to be part of a code set used for phonetic representation. there's no small cap q or x defined for phonetics. (just checked that in the phonetic symbol guide by pullum and ladusaw.)

@barbarabeeton “Strange” was referring to the source @wilx was talking about.

@egreg -- of course. (but not everyone understands the correspondence between scripts/fonts and unicode.)

@barbarabeeton Yes, there are some mysterious parts. Anyway, one should never emulate typesetting by using strange code points.

@egreg -- now you tell us! (grin)

I am picturing @barbarabeeton hitting @egreg in the head with a big frying pan

@PauloCereda -- nah, wouldn't do that. (all my frying pans are cast iron, and might crack under the strain. it's a tragedy to lose a good cast iron frying pan.)

@barbarabeeton :)

@barbarabeeton I am little bit shocked that you are rather concerned about the possible loss of pan than about the possible loss of @egreg ... ;-)

@ChristianHupfer My head is hard.

@barbarabeeton 𝙳𝘰𝗻'𝕥 𝒂𝕓𝕦𝕤𝙚 𝘜𝓃𝖎𝙘𝗈𝘥𝗲!

@ChristianHupfer -- @egreg answered first. i was going to say, if you've ever met him, you'd understand why i would fear for my frying pan. (it's nearly a hundred years old, even older than @egreg. they don't make them like that any more -- either cast iron frying pans, or, probably, egreg.)

@DavidCarlisle -- i don't abuse unicode, but there are times when i feel it's abusing me.

@barbarabeeton Don't post such choices ... either cast iron frying pans or @egreg ... difficult decision ;-)

@ChristianHupfer -- but the choice i offered preserved them both ... doesn't that count?

@barbarabeeton Hm, no ... Unless it is a quantum frying pan and a quantum @egreg ...

@ChristianHupfer: in the multiverse theory, my thesis is already done! :)

@PauloCereda Well you should contact the non-procrastinating Paulo Cereda from another universe then to hand over the finished thesis to you ;-) Should be possible with a White Hole, information coming out. Don't wait for vaporization of a Black Hole, however ;-)

@ChristianHupfer ooh I like Physics

@PauloCereda I am only loosely connected to Physics ;-)

@ChristianHupfer Wait! There is a nonprocrastinating @PauloCereda in some universe? Unbelievable!

@egreg The are is an infinite number of universes so changes are quite high that there is a least one nonprocrastinating @PauloCereda ... unfortunately, our universe is not the right version then ;-)

@DavidCarlisle Here, look:

ack -l '\\global\\setlength' /usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/tex/latex
/usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/tex/latex/biblatex-sbl/biblatex-sbl.def
/usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/tex/latex/bosisio/envmath.sty
/usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/tex/latex/fancyhdr/fancyhdr.sty
/usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/tex/latex/floatflt/floatflt.sty
/usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/tex/latex/flowfram/flowfram.sty
/usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/tex/latex/jlreq/jlreq.cls
/usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/tex/latex/kluwer/klufloa.sty

@DavidCarlisle Ahem: /usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/tex/latex/tools/theorem.sty

@egreg I distinctly remember dong that grep in 1994 when we "adopted" calc and mailing various package authors.....

@egreg not my fault

@StevenB.Segletes is that a stackengine I see before me? ^^^^

@JosephWright About nomination in the TUG rep thread: I’ve skimmed through the reference you gave and, as far as I can understand, the worst thing that could happen to me, if I say “yes”, is to be presented with a free subscription to the TUGboat, so, well, why not? Yet, I cannot see what entitlement I could have to deserve this… :-)

@DavidCarlisle \global\setlength is the secret of stackengine's functionality ;-)

@egreg actually that works anyway as far as I can see, why is it global anyway it's a top level setting

@ChristianHupfer it's wrong in any case

@DavidCarlisle I know ... you told me three years ago and I never applied it again

@ChristianHupfer easy to avoid, you just replace \global\setlength\foo{..} by \setlength\dimen@{..}\global\foo\dimen@

@ChristianHupfer wow most people never do what I say

@DavidCarlisle Good to know (in case I should need it again) In fact, Iused in an answer here, not for personal cases. It's wrong nevertheless

@DavidCarlisle Once in a while .... you're right ;-)

@ChristianHupfer law of averages, most likely

@DavidCarlisle within 3-sigma ;-)

@DavidCarlisle: I see you are talking about the issue that \global\setlength presents in connection with the calc package (if I understand correctly); well, I’ve checked the couple of silly trifles I have authored, and they do not include any \global assignment of such form.

@GustavoMezzetti so you are ahead of that Frank Mittelbach bloke then:-)

@DavidCarlisle: Frank Mittelbach… I must have heard this name before…

@StevenB.Segletes The two \global\setlength commands in stackengine.sty should be simply \setlength.

@StevenB.Segletes They are at the top level, so there's no point in doing a global assignment; besides, \global\setlength is unsupported (and doesn't work if calc is loaded).