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22:14
@Bob Retention bracket.
It's a really crappy design.
I just don't get why Intel insists on using LGA sockets and their byzantine retention systems.
AMD processor installation is foolproof. The chip just drops right in, and a lever secures it. That's it.
Then again, PGA-ZIF sockets don't allow as many contacts, which might limit current delivery...
Socket AM4 is still a PGA-ZIF socket, but with 1331 pins.
The contacts in a PGA socket can touch more than just the tip of the pin, though, and that kinda makes up for having fewer pins.
Intel processor installation instructions for LGA115x: intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/processors/000005762.html
AMD processor (and HSF) installation instructions: support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/…
Then again, installing an HSF is harder for AMD than it is for Intel.
22:46
I really need one of those:
Or one of those:
Bob
Bob
23:16
@allquixotic i7-6850k
@bwDraco "The chip just drops right in, and a lever secures it. That's it." -- that's exactly how I'd describe the Intel one too...
@Bob Then why is it so hard to properly install an Intel processor?
Bob
Bob
@bwDraco It's not hard.
How difficult is it to align the processor with the socket?
I can't say I've ever bent one, but I've had plenty of issues with the socket not securing down properly on the CPU then being unable to boot
even as recently as Skylake
took about six re-seats to get my 6700K to POST
and an inhuman amount of force
Bob
Bob
*shrug* mine went in first try. did feel like more force than I was really comfortable with, but I'm also pretty sure that's not unique to Intel.
23:19
With an AMD PGA socket, the processor pins just drop into the holes in the socket. There's no alignment fuss, either it fits or it doesn't.
Bob
Bob
@bwDraco Easy. It will only sit flat in one position.
If you try to clamp the lever without it sitting flat... you messed up.
Whereas with an Intel LGA socket, flat contacts in the processor are to be connected to pins in the motherboard. It doesn't slot in the same way.
Bob
Bob
AMD: "Ensure that pin 1 of the processor lines up with the pin 1 insert on the processor socket of the motherboard"
Intel: "Make sure that the socket notches align with the processor notches."
Unless AMD also has rotational symmetry, there's really no difference.
They need the same amount of alignment. You can't put an AMD CPU in 90 or 180 deg rotated.
... ??????????
It's. The. Same.
What on earth do you mean not as precise?!
What, lower tolerances??
The notches either fit or they don't.
Whether there's issues getting it to work like @allquixotic had, I don't know. But right now I'm talking about physical damage (see: bent CPU) from misalignment.
Bob
Bob
To that end, PGA, LGA, pin alignment, notch alignment - same thing.
23:25
LGA install messup usually result in motherboard damage, not processor damage
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic Did your motherboard come with a sled?
@Bob ?
not sure what that means
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic CPU install sled :P
still don't know what that is
it comes with a plastic bit you have to remove from the socket; that's all I know
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic "CPU Installation Tool" if Asus
23:27
Gigabyte, and no
Bob
Bob
It's a plastic frame they give you to help you pick up the CPU without touching it, and helps with socket alignment (because it also wraps around the outside, so no need to even look at notches)
I was 99% sure that if I had applied another micronewton of force on the handle when slotting it down, it would've cracked the motherboard or broke the socket right off
8 mins ago, by bwDraco
With an AMD PGA socket, the processor pins just drop into the holes in the socket. There's no alignment fuss, either it fits or it doesn't.
In contrast, Intel processors can apparently be installed slightly off and it won't be obvious that it wasn't correctly seated.
my prior 5 attempts I basically wimped out and didn't apply enough force I think
never did the orientation wrong in any attempt though
Bob
Bob
@bwDraco I can honestly use "either it fits or it doesn't" to describe either process.
I got it slightly off when I first dropped it in. ... pretty obvious. Unless you happen to think a CPU with one edge higher than the other looks right.
(That was before I realised the install tool was meant to stay on. Now, Asus could've been clearer about that... but I'm not going to blame Intel for third-party instructions or lack of)
Actually, the Asus manual overall is a tad lacking :\
MSI was better
23:45
Also
I thought amd went LGA too .-.
Shows how little I know
23:58
What exactly is hard about installing a intel cpu?
Eh. Looks like i am not the only one with a doid superuser.com/q/1174722/10165
You find the correct orientation and plop it down?
you wanna see hard install an intel without the lid on it, and with no clamp, because the clamp doesnt work without the lid. One move down, because once it is TIM stuck to the heatsink , any movement dislodges it again

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