Root Access

Ramhound

00:05

Larger is home and pro and a single x86/x64 ISO where the x64 is home/pro or x86 home/pro

Bob

00:16

meh

if you really wanted to know the difference, just diff them

DavidPostill

@Bob Not very useful for large binary files (like ISOs) ;p

Bob

@DavidPostill Extract/mount and run a file/dir diff.

I didn't mean a literal binary diff on the image...

I used to use WinMerge for that. Now kdiff3, if only because it comes with git for Windows.

DavidPostill

@Bob I know, hence my winking smiley

Bob

Pretty sure the traditional diff tool does it too.

Rich Manson

I guess I don't have to check anything to see if the one I use is the Anniversary update right? They are all Anniversary updates at this point arn't they?

Bob

00:51

Depends where you downloaded from.

I can grab a copy of the original build, or 1511, etc., off msdn. That's not 1607.

Journeyman Geek

01:36

0_0

People are making new build vinyl pressing machines.

engadget.com/2017/01/29/vinyl-record-production-tech-upgrade

and that thing is excessively complicated in the best way

Journeyman Geek

01:51

0_0

dx.com/p/…

this is quite bizarre

like... why does this exist?

who needs a single USB C port inside his laptop?

actually no

who needs a single USB C port in a mini pcie slot inside a PC?

Rich Manson

02:04

Don't you have to go to Jamaica to ve a vinil record?

@bob Your saying you have an MSDN subscription/membership

And are you saying that 1511 is better than the Anniversary update 1607?

Journeyman Geek

@RichManson its a thing again. So's casette tapes

also, yeah, he has a MSDN subscription, and no, he's saying there's ways to get older builds

Bob

02:20

@RichManson I'm saying I can't answer "They are all Anniversary updates at this point" because they might not be, depending on where you get them.

And giving examples of where one might (officially) get a non-1607 copy.

@JourneymanGeek ...me? possibly :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob 0_0

Bob

apparently the wifi adapter (part of asus mobo) is attached via xhci

Journeyman Geek

@Bob assuming you have a mini pci-e slot spare...

@Bob through a odd non standard adaptor?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek no idea, most of the motherboard is hidden under a shield

Journeyman Geek

ah

Mine has a little odd card with a qualcomm chip

cnet.com/products/… one of these

Bob

02:26

@JourneymanGeek oh, I meant desktop

Journeyman Geek

so do I!

Bob

though yea it is atheros, which I believe is qualcomm

Journeyman Geek

asus.com/Motherboards/P8Z77V_PRO uses one of those in an odd formfactor

Bob

@JourneymanGeek yea, updated version of that I think

ac and all

Journeyman Geek

ah

I'd have preferred a standard mini PCIe port ._.

Bob

02:28

@JourneymanGeek asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-MAXIMUS-IX-CODE I can't see any of the components :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

yeah

cause I don't really need onboard wifi on my boxen

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Same! I now have two wifi adapters and use neither of them...

noitsbecky

03:04

Hi

Bob

hi

Journeyman Geek

hm

I'm kinda tempted to kick this back to EE.SE superuser.com/questions/1172848/how-cpu-adjust-the-clock

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Well, it's on-topic here, and not a terrible question...

(psst, answer would be SPD / XMP / manual config)

maybe could be rephrased a bit to be more SU-appropriate

Journeyman Geek

03:19

da

shrug I'm kinda torn on architecture questions

there's no good place for them but strictly speaking, its not something the average home user needs to bother about

Bob

oh wait that was only part of the question

the timings and clock stuff would be more appropriate on EE

@JourneymanGeek eh. IMO, understanding how the hardware works is important.

If you only cater to the "average home user" you can also toss out the 90% of the site that isn't "halp I has virus"

Journeyman Geek

lol

I'm not closing it or anything

also, I'm in a terrible mood for various reasons so I'm going to avoid going off half cocked on anything.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek and I'm not saying it definitely shouldn't be closed, but at a glance it looks alright :P

I'd even attempt an answer if I had more time, but... bleh.

@JourneymanGeek :(

Journeyman Geek

annnd this superuser.com/questions/1173033/…

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I can actually answer that, with references! :D

assuming you don't want me not to :P

Journeyman Geek

03:27

see? It is a good thing I'm not closing anything but the MOST TERRIBLE THINGS today

Then there's this superuser.com/questions/1173018/keyboard-with-the-most-keys

which I did close

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ok that one is actually terribad :P

@JourneymanGeek but yea the comment is right, it'd probably be a better fit on SO. But I don't think it's entirely off-topic here.

idk

Journeyman Geek

See, that's what I was thinking

And, user is qbanned on SO

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Hm. Close, no migrate?

@JourneymanGeek ...ahhhhhhh

Journeyman Geek

bleh

Bob

Pity. It was a pretty well-written question, IMO.

Hm. I swear HNQ always has at lest one Trump-related question these days. Between skeptics.se, politics.se and travel.se...

Oh, and meta.so I suppose :P

Journeyman Geek

03:38

sigh

I made the mistake of reading the migrated comment chat of that

oh, and for the record, there isn't a blanket ban on politics here. I refrain from it cause its so darned dreary a topic. Just remember that MSE post, and keep it civil, and don't link things primarily cause you know it'll cause drama.

noitsbecky

04:14

Trump causes drama

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek from the meta?

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic yup

Er

348

Q: If you're gonna talk Politics, you must respect those who disagree

This is sort of a follow-up to two past discussions: Toward a philosophy of Chat Does the Be Nice policy require SE users to "be nice" to people who are not SE users (e.g. public figures)? Over the past year, there's been an uptick in discussions of politics in chat. JUST LOOK AT THIS CHART! ...

@noitsbecky probably true but it's also folks reactions to him

noitsbecky

04:42

@JourneymanGeek the reaction in the UK seems to be to put him at the top of the national news front page every day for the entire month of January

Bob

@noitsbecky Meanwhile ignoring your own problems (namely, a certain exit)?

And I'm just sitting here hoping Turnbull doesn't stuff things up ... too much ... again :\

@JourneymanGeek I was watching a Twitch stream on the Z2760 tablet yesterday.

Ok, so it completely failed on the webpage. Firefox couldn't even load it (lots of script timeouts), while Edge froze a few seconds in. Probably because of chat... which I can't figure out how to disable (not just hide). Turns out ~1,000,000 people chatting tends to kill old Atom CPUs...

The standalone app worked pretty well though :P

(until I accidentally tapped chat and killed that one too... then had to restart it)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob SHE'S GIVING US ALL SHE'S GOT CAPN! THE CANNAE TAKE ANY MORE!

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Task manager showed CPU as red/100% the whole time :P

Amusingly, it actually didn't get that hot. And it was a warm night.

Oh, and DWM was using 10%.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I wouldn't be suprised if those processors were somewhat downrated for coolness

Bob

And so was Defender (25%) before I turned it off.

Journeyman Geek

04:55

downrated?

underclocked

Bob

Battery life was actually pretty nice. Even redlining the CPU lasted 4-5 hours.

@JourneymanGeek Actually now I'm tempted to see how I can speed it up :P

The eMMC is pretty slow too.

And 2 GB of RAM doesn't help.

And it's also running in 32-bit mode, so the registry spills are fun...

:35091659 I thought they were continuing with them in convertibles?

They did drop the low end though.

And who knows what'll happen after the current run of cores (Apollo Lake?)

But yea the cheap chips are gone :(

bwDraco

@Bob Yuck. Intel needs to give more attention to Atom processors but people think of Atom == slow so tablets with Atom processors are not selling.

Bob

@bwDraco It was nice being able to pick up a lightweight x86 device for $200.

I suppose AMD still kinda fills the cheap segment, but they're not so great on the power consumption.

bwDraco

There are Atom-based Pentium and Celeron processors (the HP Stream devices use these), though.

Bob

@bwDraco Yea, that's where Apollo Lake is going, IIRC.

Goldmont, that was it

Journeyman Geek

05:02

@Bob atom's kinda in an odd place

Bob

@bwDraco True to an extent, though.

Journeyman Geek

it was a reaction to a product line that's kinda niche (the netbook) that ended up finding itself in all the niches intel's not great at...

Bob

Goldmont brings Atom closer to standard Core (Skylake, etc.)

Journeyman Geek

and it PROBABLY isn't helped by all those odd restrictions on netbooks

Bob

But before? bleh.

@JourneymanGeek That's how it started, but it moved into tablets and convertibles. Where it actually had a place.

bwDraco

05:03

Then again, the Stream 11 has a reputation for being very slow on compute-bound tasks.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob thing is tho, very few people would go out and buy a x86 tablet or phone.

@bwDraco you're trying to use a golf cart to drive the indy 500.

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek Well, put it this way: it's not much faster than the average ARM-based Android tablet SoC.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco most of which won't even run the sort of stuff you can throw on an x86

I used mine mainly as a web or ssh terminal

bwDraco

It would make a great candidate for running a lightweight Linux system.

Journeyman Geek

and yeah, this is exactly what I mean by "that ended up finding itself in all the niches intel's not great at..."

bwDraco

05:08

Linux helps squeeze the very most out of this sort of hardware.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek For a phone, nah. But Windows tablets weren't bad. Suffered more from a lack of OEMs than anything else.

Windows convertibles seem to have largely replaced Android tablets.

Speaking of which, Samsung's the only major manufacturer of Android tablets nowadays o.O

Sony's given up

Lenovo still does some, but all with really low-power chips

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I think tablets got mostly chomped by phones

Bob

iPads are still kicking, but dying off

Journeyman Geek

and people realising they didn't need a second/third/forth device

bwDraco

I'm running a Nexus 9 as a companion to my laptop and for lighter web browsing tasks but my laptop runs circles around it for doing anything even remotely demanding.

I'm tempted to just get an HP Stream to replace it.

Bob

05:10

@JourneymanGeek I'm thinking it's more from the other direction. By the time people started getting tablets most already had powerful phones, possibly screen size aside. But even now your typical 5-5.5" phone doesn't compare to a 10" tablet.

bwDraco

Yeah. Typing on a 5.3" screen isn't fun.

Bob

The lack of a keyboard means even a 10" tablet isn't great for productivity (soo... convertibles).

bwDraco

The things people do with a tablet are now being done either on a phone or a lightweight Windows laptop.

I paid upwards of $600 for my tablet kit a year and a half ago.

Bob

It's pretty much limited to browsing. And the x86 tablets were up there with most Android tablets (and just as powerful!). I think I really started seeing Android tablets die off in stores as Windows tablets replaced them.

...then the Windows tablets died off

bwDraco

It's shocking what you can do with $200 hardware these days.

Bob

05:12

not too sure what fills that niche now

Journeyman Geek

I'm not sure the niche exists.

Most muggles are happy with just a phone. Most workplaces favour laptops or maybe basic workstations...

Bob

@JourneymanGeek It still does in the corporate world (kiosks)

not sure about consumers

bwDraco

Heck, there's an x360 convertible variant of the Stream.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek eh. there's lots of things you can do on tablets or convertibles, or even laptops, that are near impossible with a phone

granted, the extra device bit does counter that :P

it's more that phone + tablet + laptop (+ desktop) has collapsed into phone + (convertible?) laptop (+ desktop)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob you're thinking like a poweruser ;p

@Bob yeah but what a lot of people thought was that the tablet would kill the laptop

Bob

05:14

@JourneymanGeek funny how that worked out in the other direction :P

but yea, bit of convergence there

Journeyman Geek

but initially I think it was novelty. And the big thing manufacturers have to deal with isn't new machines

Its old ones

Bob

when tablets came out laptops were still mostly bulky-ish

bwDraco

store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/Laptops/…

Worth $200?

Bob

now they're pretty much half-tablet half-laptop

@bwDraco worth is relative

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco its worth considering it comes with a year of office 365. Possibly wifi access or something

Bob

05:16

I wouldn't buy it because I have half a dozen similar devices :P

Journeyman Geek

... they improved the display <3

bwDraco

I'm not exactly looking for Office 365.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That O365 is worth exactly $0 to me :P

Considering I already have a subscription

And the one it comes with is Personal, which can't even partially replace my Home one

bwDraco

That makes two of us.

I don't have a subscription but I have not seen a need for Office 365.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco its a significantly better machine than mine in most respects

Bob

05:17

@bwDraco Braswell is a bit eh, but fine for most browsing.

Just don't open a dozen Reddit tabs with RES. Unless you like seeing your PC cry.

bwDraco

I'm probably just getting a perpetual license for Office 2016 Home and Business on that new desktop.

Bob

1366x768 is bleh :P

Journeyman Geek

yeah that's the big issue

Bob

I have 1920x1080 devices in a similar price (convertible + keyboard)

Journeyman Geek

though they went from TN to VA, which is nice

Bob

05:19

@bwDraco 5 installs. and includes Pro Plus programs (some of which I actually occasionally use)

well, I used to use Publisher... not so much these days

bwDraco

@Bob I'll give it some thought, but it'll come down to my needs.

Bob

actually, if you're still in uni

bwDraco

No longer a student.

Bob

IIRC there's a uni version. 2 installs, like $80, 4 years

@bwDraco of course it does

personally, it's good for me cause I actually have several machines (at least 3) I want it on

the equivalent full licences would cost something like $400+

and wouldn't give me upgrades

I got sick of running old Office after 2003 and then 2010 (which, granted, wasn't as bad)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob office 2010 starter is kinda what I'm using at the moment ._.

Bob

05:22

@bwDraco the 32 GB eMMC puts it in chromebook territory if you're going web-only, but if you sometimes want to run Windows programs (like I do) then chromebook is a bad idea

Also if you prefer non-Chrome browsers :P

bwDraco

I'm probably going to use Firefox on it anyway.

Bob

Huh. A bit heavy, especially for that small-ish battery.

Oh well.

It's not that heavy, but more than I would've expected for this class :P

@bwDraco It's the kind of thing I'd (assuming I have no others) probably not buy normally, but might pick up in a sale :P But that's just me.

bwDraco

2.57 lb is unexpectedly heavy.

Bob

@bwDraco Ya, I did a double-take (and a conversion to kg) on that :P

I mean, it's not like it's a chore to carry

bwDraco

It's kinda thick for what it is.

18 mm is not exactly thin.

Bob

05:25

but it amusingly weighs more than my Miix 700 + keyboard/case

bwDraco

This is thick and heavy enough to prevent me from carrying it on a daily basis as a tablet replacement.

Bob

eh

how far exactly do you carry a tablet every day

if it's in a bag you wouldn't even notice

Journeyman Geek

I used to throw the old model in a backpack with minimal padding and use it on a train every day

bwDraco

The weight's the issue. It's vastly heavier than my Nexus 9 with Keyboard Folio.

Bob

@bwDraco "vastly"?

bwDraco

05:28

...which I've carried with me pretty much everywhere for the last 20 months.

Bob

look at absolute weight, not percentages

bwDraco

This is adding an entire pound to my load.

Look, I don't have a car. I get around using mass transit.

Bob

eh, half kilo

I used to carry a 2.8kg laptop everywhere

and I do mean carry

in a backpack

Journeyman Geek

neither do/did I

Bob

on a train/bus/walking

Journeyman Geek

05:31

granted I semi regularly carry 4-6kg of stuff on public transit

Bob

heck, I'm still carrying a 1.1kg tablet+keyboard around in my bag, train/walk to work

@JourneymanGeek not weighed my bag, but that doesn't sound far off :P

gotta clear out out sometime

Journeyman Geek

@Bob mom occationally asks me to do baking store runs

Bob

there's probably a good 2kg+ of old paperwork inside

Journeyman Geek

so... up to 4kg of flour, a kilo slab of butter....

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ah. those go on the arms (in shopping/plastic bags) :P

worst so far was some 15kg of drinks (probably more once you include the glass bottles, bleh)... pretty sure my arms were about to fall off

bwDraco

05:33

@JourneymanGeek You see, that's one of those things I don't do without going with my parents. I'm planning to start doing these kinds of shopping trips on my own, though, and have spoken with my parents about this.

Bob

close enough to the shops to walk, but not to carry a large load :P

bwDraco

I do occasionally go out to buy some stuff, but that's typically for electronics, not groceries, and usually for my personal use rather than for my parents

Mother usually goes out with a wheeled backpack on shopping trips.

Bob

yea, nah... maybe to pick something small-ish up, but gotta take the car for the large weekly (fortnightly?) runs

so much easier

except when I head out to browse (unplanned) for a bit and end up buying more than can be comfortably carried... then that's a pain

out of curiosity, how far are the shops, @JourneymanGeek, @bwDraco?

bwDraco

@Bob About 20 to 45 minutes away via mass transport.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco it depends

bwDraco

05:37

Typically closer to the smaller figure, though.

Bob

@bwDraco huh, that far?

I thought NY was denser than that

Journeyman Geek

up to an hour away, though I typically walk to vivo or red man, and take a bus back

bwDraco

Suburban area.

Bob

ah

I'm only some 15 mins (walk) from the local shopping centre

tend to avoid trips to the city proper, since that adds some 30+ mins by train (45+ mins overall)

annoyingly, most of the good electronics shops way down south :\

bwDraco

I'd rather not describe my location in more detail than "New York City".

Bob

05:41

say, 60+ mins by train, give it 90 mins total (talk on both sides)

and, oh god, enfield (where I got the RAM)... make that 120 mins, and pray the bus isn't 15 mins late

eh, I'm pretty sure @JourneymanGeek has my address :P

bwDraco

lol

Bob

I probably still have his drifting around somewhere

or did I toss that? bleh. (was the printout I kiiiiiiiinda forgot to bring to the post office)

oh well, it's either in a stack of paper in a closet or part of someone's newspaper by now

hm. do newspapers even use recycled paper? *shrug*

Journeyman Geek

05:56

lol

I think I have it sooooomewhere

bwDraco

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> ooooo

lol

Journeyman Geek

Entirely unrelatedly

questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3406

That's totally what moderation is. In both senses of the word XD

bwDraco

Jan 6 at 3:27, by bwDraco

So, a final summary of the lessons learned today:
1) I need to be careful about what I write. At times, I may fail to realize that what I write is not constructive or is rude or offensive.
2) I need to not feed trolls. Acknowledging the troll in any way, even indirectly, will make the problem worse.
3) I need to learn to let go, not dig up past incidents or discuss them longer than necessary.
4) When handling people problems, I need to make sure that what I do effectively solves the problem in the least drastic manner possible without escalating the issue. Sometimes, that means doing nothin…

> When handling people problems, I need to make sure that what I do effectively solves the problem in the least drastic manner possible without escalating the issue. Sometimes, that means doing nothing at all. Mod tools and flags are a last resort, not the first line of defense.

Journeyman Geek

erm

Don't make it about you.

bwDraco

The more time I can spend on the field and socialize with others, the better.

Journeyman Geek

06:06

Like did I go "hey, dragonlord, this is totally how you should be a mod?"

naw.

bwDraco

I know each person does things their own way. The problem is lack of critical soft skills.

Journeyman Geek

I posted a link to the latest QC comic (which a lot of us love, and is awesomely relevant to quite a few people here!). And made a entirely clean double entandre

Bob

@JourneymanGeek for some reason it sounds like a movie quote :P

Journeyman Geek

However the hell that is spelled

Bob

*runs away*

bwDraco

06:07

lol

Bob

except that's far more snow than I have

have you ever tried to duck your head into grass?

it hurts

and itches

Journeyman Geek

also, you appear to have fleas

Bob

Journeyman Geek

bandity fox?

Bob

3

Q: Practicality of a thorium-powered, superheated-steam car?

At the beginning of the 1900s, the Doble Steam Motors Company built steam cars. Their engineers solved many of the problems steam cars had until then by using superheated steam and a condenser to recirculate the steam instead of just expelling it as exhaust. Their cars ran almost completely sile...

reality-check transportation power-sources nuclear nuclear-power

"How about, y'know, not introducing dirty bombs to vehicles that are crashed hundreds of times a year?"

@JourneymanGeek screentogif.com it got an update

and a website :P

> System Requirements
For Use

A potato. Actually, you need a reasonable computer.

Journeyman Geek

06:17

lol

Bob

github.com/NickeManarin/ScreenToGif/issues/45

uggggggggggggggggggggggggh

> Unable to run the Application on my Win XP, 32-bit edition.

> Please refer to the enclosed pictorial description & help figure out the cause behind this Error message?
Iam trying to use your Application on my Win XP, 32-bit edition.

I'm honestly surprised people expect new software to work on XP.

Journeyman Geek

06:31

lol

fires up the xp test vm

yup. licecap works ;p

imgur dosen't work on IE... 7?

No shock there either

Bob

@JourneymanGeek licecap is simple and works, but screentogif is better and works everywhere I care about :P

somehow, "works on xp" isn't high up on my list of requirements

Journeyman Geek

lol

nor for me. I just did it for the luiz

Bob

@JourneymanGeek next you're gonna tell me it works on os2

Journeyman Geek

That's crazy talk ;p

though the EDIT function seems nice

Bob

06:47

@JourneymanGeek whowha

Journeyman Geek

er

on screen to gif

Bob

oh

ya, I use it to pause in places or insert titles

Journeyman Geek

resizing is nice

@Bob output seems a bot... pixeleyer than licecap

might be cause of the editing tho

Bob

@JourneymanGeek try changing the encoder :P

but yea encoders are a wip

Journeyman Geek

good enough for most cases tho

Bob

06:56

the screentogif encoder should give you the best results but is very slooooooow

legacy encoder iirc is fast but weird quality

system encoder is fast but big files

Journeyman Geek

yeah, I used legacy

2

A: How can I get high quality YouTube on Windows XP with Firefox?

Amusingly enough, there's an unsupported plugin that works from adobe that works with a few about:config tweaks. Here it is on my disposable XP VM I'm running the latest build of firefox - 50.1.0, and as per the instructions here I enabled the primetime CDM - which while its supposed to be a ...

imgur.com/bNyuoGt is the original (warning 4.3mb gif)

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