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I'm trying to say that LG does have a problem with bootloops, but it's being blown out of proportion because it's three devices with the same internals

Seth

I dunno, there were a lot of explosions.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Hey @TheXed Merry Christmas... wife finally let you sign on eh?

Zacharee1

@Seth I think 5

TheXed

11:04 PM

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I was on earlier before lunch :-P

And Merry Christmas to you too

Android Dev

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Oh missed you.... was probably getting turkey ready... and thanks :)

Android Dev

@Zacharee1 Happy now? --^

Kaz Wolfe

nope.

Zacharee1

@AndroidDev we reached it already. check meta

WinEunuuchs2Unix

11:05 PM

@AndroidDev you better start nominating Q & A for closing so we have something to do in 1 hour!

Zacharee1

@Seth Google "iphone explosions" and you'll see a few different 7s (actually different ones), a 6S, 5S, maybe a 4

but Apple didn't do a recall

Seth

@Zacharee1 I disagree. If LG would recall the devices and fix the problem then it wouldn't be a big deal. But LG is/has done everything they can to sweep it under the rug and refuse to help you.

Serg

Personally, I find it absolutely purposeless to have a queue of 0, but for the lolz, sure . . . .

Zacharee1

@Seth But you're complaining about the bootloop itself, not how it's handled

Seth

@Zacharee1 yeah, a couple random results. It was happening to the note 7 far more times.

TheXed

11:06 PM

So what did everyone get for Christmas?

Zacharee1

@Seth pocketnow.com/2016/09/22/…

Seth

@Zacharee1 um, no? Stuff happens. I get it. If they would take care of it I wouldn't care at all.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@TheXed I got a Best Buy cho-cho train humidifer...whisper quiet!

Serg

@TheXed nothing . . . well, sort of . . . I got new pillow case and blanket

Android Dev

@Zacharee1 Are you saying to check the meta reviews?

TheXed

11:07 PM

@WinEunuuchs2Unix lol nice.

Seth

@Zacharee1 well of course there would be hoaxes. So?

Do you really think Samsung would do a recall of that size without warrant?

TheXed

@Serg pillow cases and blankets are always nice in Colorado...

WinEunuuchs2Unix

What did you get Xed?

TheXed

I got a coffee mug and a pair of PJ's

Zacharee1

@Seth I don't think that many actually exploded. I don't remember even seeing 26 reports

WinEunuuchs2Unix

11:08 PM

Did the coffee mug say "World's Best Dad" or "I Love Linux"?

Kaz Wolfe

why are there no suggested edits?

Serg

I swear my eyes are broken today.

TheXed

No just some reindeer and Santa

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@KazWolfe I made 5 edits today but they just take effect immediately.

Kaz Wolfe

(unnecessary ping)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

11:09 PM

@AndroidDev It says "$%^&*( Windows, I'm using Ubuntu"

#Kaz sorry forgot your loathing of the at sign.

Android Dev

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I was at Micro Center the other day, and I saw a shirt that said, "Fix your own ******* computer"

Kaz Wolfe

@AndroidDev we can curse here.

Zacharee1

@Seth AndroidAuth says at least 35 reported incidents androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-note-7-recall-714419. If 26 are a hoax, that's 9 total. That's not really very many. I know there is a problem with this phone, but the explosions in iPhones aren't exactly isolated

WinEunuuchs2Unix

The shirt should say: "If you need help fixing your computer you shouldn't have one"

Android Dev

@KazWolfe I typed it exactly as it was written on the shirt.

TheXed

11:12 PM

@KazWolfe we can?

Kaz Wolfe

@TheXed we can, in moderation.

Serg

I once saw a shirt saying "No, i won't fix your computer. Use Linux"

Android Dev

@Serg I have a mug that says that, minus the use linux part.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

We should now write a disclaimer that most of the questions in AU aren't about "fixing" but rather about "refining"

Like my question yesterday was about shaving 9 seconds off of boot time.

Android Dev

Alertnativley, @KazWolfe could do a PSA

WinEunuuchs2Unix

11:15 PM

#KazWolfe hates the @ (at) sign

Serg

alert-natively ?

Kaz Wolfe

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I hate the @ sign

@WinEunuuchs2Unix when it's

@WinEunuuchs2Unix used for

@WinEunuuchs2Unix unnecessary

@WinEunuuchs2Unix pings

Serg

@KazWolfe like this ?

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Oh I see now... you can dish out the @ but you can't take them #KazWolfe :D

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg yes.

Serg

11:18 PM

@KazWolfe OK, got it.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

You know I'm the only person in this room who's @ makes the sub-woofer shake the living room.

The A/V system doesn't say a nice level "ping" it does a sub-woofer "THUNK"

George Michael just died... "WHAM!"

Android Dev

11:32 PM

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Q: Is it safe to use a Samsung 850 Pro SSD?

I just got a brand new Samsung 850 Pro SSD, and I would like to install Ubuntu 14.04 onto it. I have heard some pretty ugly stories of data loss with the 850 series SSDs when using Linux due to bugs in the kernel, as well as bugs in the TRIM operation. I have done my research, but most of what ...

Zacharee1

@Seth oh btw, Sprint phones will work fine on Fi

Android Dev

@Zacharee1 Only if they support GSM bands.

Zacharee1

because for some reason, Sprint phones tend to support pretty much every US band

Serg

@Zacharee1 add Wi to that Fi and it'll be even better

Zacharee1

Sprint V20 is fully compatible with T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T

Serg

11:33 PM

#sergjokes

Zacharee1

@Serg Fi does use WiFi

but also Sprint and T-Mobile

Android Dev

@Zacharee1 Meaning the only challenge remaining is to get Sprint to unlock it for you?

Kaz Wolfe

@AndroidDev ding

Zacharee1

@AndroidDev I think they're pre-unlocked

Kaz Wolfe

(or if they use the same radio chip in non-Sprint versions, you might be able to unlock the bands yourself)

Zacharee1

11:34 PM

but idk

@KazWolfe bands are already unlocked

he meant carrier unlock

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 legally, yeah. if you have no EIP on the device, they need to unlock it.

@Zacharee1 the T-Mo V20 has sprint bands usable?

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe Verizon's LTE phones are all factory unlocked

@KazWolfe flip it

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 no, i was talking about a non-Sprint branded phone having the Sprint bands enabled.

Android Dev

@Zacharee1 Really?

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 er... no... Phones are locked unless you unlock them (or you buy them carrier unlocked). You can unlock them if you have no balance on the device itself.

Zacharee1

11:35 PM

@KazWolfe I was saying the Sprint V20 has all US bands, so I thought you were continuing with that

Seth

@Zacharee1 But Fi only supports Nexii or Pixel.

Zacharee1

@Seth someone's using a V20 on it

@KazWolfe verizon.com/about/consumer-safety/device-unlocking-policy

Android Dev

@KazWolfe Although you can buy factory-unlocked phones.

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth Technically, anything with the right bands will get you the thing.

Seth

well I'm sure it's possible. They just need a SIM.

@KazWolfe xkcd technically

Android Dev

11:36 PM

@Seth But the network switching might not work as expected.

Kaz Wolfe

Correct. If you buy a phone from the carrier, it will typically be locked until you request unlock.

Seth

@AndroidDev which is kind of important.

Kaz Wolfe

Every phone I got from T-Mo was like this.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe not Verizon

> We do not lock most phones or tablets that are activated with our postpay service, either during or after the term of your service contract or Edge installment sales agreement.
We do not lock our 4G LTE devices, and no code is needed to program them for use with another carrier.

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 They don't lock phones you owe money on?

Zacharee1

11:37 PM

@KazWolfe nope

user136984

Well, goodnight folks! :)

Kaz Wolfe

That is very un-Verizon.

Serg

gn panda

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe if you leave Verizon, you can actually continue to pay off the device normally

Kaz Wolfe

That is still very much unlike Verizon.

Android Dev

11:38 PM

@KazWolfe I'm pretty sure you still have to call them to get it unlocked...

Zacharee1

I thought it was weird too

TMO does lock its phones, but you only need one activated for 6 months before you can unlock it, so it's not bad

Kaz Wolfe

Google Fi works on any phone with LTE Bands 2, 4, 12, 25, 26, and 41.

Zacharee1

Yep

Kaz Wolfe

All Google-certified/branded phones have this.

Zacharee1

TMO are first three, Sprint are latter

Android Dev

11:39 PM

@KazWolfe Just because it connects doesn't mean the network switching will work.

Zacharee1

Sprint V20 has 1.2.3.4.5.7.12.13.17.20.25.26.41

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 I unlocked mine instantly, but I paid it of right then.

@AndroidDev It does if you have those bands.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe well paying it off kind of just bypasses the normal agreement ;P

Android Dev

@KazWolfe Source? I don't think Google would make it so easy to get Fi on a non-Nexus phone...

Kaz Wolfe

@AndroidDev frequencycheck.com/carriers/google-project-fi-united-states

Zacharee1

11:42 PM

@AndroidDev As long as it registers with the special SIM, I don't see why it wouldn't work. It's not really as if you're actually switching between the two carriers. I'm pretty sure your phone just sees you're on Fi, and it's all backend

all the towers on Sprint and TMO are probably also registered as Fi towers

Seth

that would be the smart way

Zacharee1

Google is pretty smart

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 Counterexample: Google Plus

Seth

I know on Tracfone though the towers can't tell you're not Verizon. So before I switched to AT&T towers I could get Verizon only features like NFL coverage because when the app performed a network check it couldn't tell I wasn't actually a Verizon subscriber.

@KazWolfe Google Plus is way better than FB.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe it's a good product that no one wants to use

Kaz Wolfe

11:43 PM

@Zacharee1 Poor marketing.

Zacharee1

@Seth lol

@KazWolfe That's Google's (and LG's) weakness

great product, bad advertising

Kaz Wolfe

The t-mobile V20 does not support Sprint bands.

And cannot be used on fi.

Zacharee1

although I've been seeing a lot of Pixel ads, if only for the Verizon version

@KazWolfe but the Sprint one can, which is what I said

the TMO one will semi-work on Fi

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 You don't have the sprint version.

@Zacharee1 no, it won't.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe I wasn't talking about myself

@KazWolfe someone was using it on Fi and it worked for the most part

Kaz Wolfe

11:45 PM

You can't register phones on the Fi without all the channels.

Zacharee1

just kept dropping out

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 The sprint or t-mo version

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe I registered my Verizon Note 4 on T-Mobile and it worked fine on 2G only

@KazWolfe They were using the TMO version and were just having some problems with texts over LTE

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 Verizon phones have all the t-mo channels.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe not 12

and missing one UMTS

Note 4 is also 2 years old

Kaz Wolfe

11:46 PM

meh.

channel 12 is pretty standard.

Zacharee1

Yeah but VZ uses 13

Kaz Wolfe

i'd be shocked to see a modern LTE phone without it.

Zacharee1

which is 700MHz, but a different block range

12 and 17 are the same thing, but not 12 and 13

My 910V supports 2, 4 and 13. TMO needs 2, 4 and 12. It's also missing at least one UMTS band, but I forget which.

it registered fine

I don't think Fi can/does refuse to register a device if it doesn't support all bands

Kaz Wolfe

It can, but not necessarily will.

I haven't tried it because I don't have a Fi SIM, or a Fi-compatible phone to use for activation.

Zacharee1

look forum.xda-developers.com/v20/help/…

If it's possible for a T-Mobile V20 to register, I think it's possible for it to register ;p

Kaz Wolfe

11:50 PM

True because true.

Zacharee1

and since Sprint supports every necessary band...

if (true == true) return true;

WinEunuuchs2Unix

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