Vedanta and Philosophy

Pandya

05:28

@iammilind Can you help me in translating Gujarati into English for following post:

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A: Are the words inside Bhagvad Gita exactly the same words used in actual conversation (ie, used By Lord Krishna and Arjuna)?

As far as I know nowhere is mentioned something like VedVyasa modified/reformatted the conversation in Anushtup meter. It is believed that Srimad Bhagavad Gita which we currently have is the original/exact as said by Krishna and that's why it is called "The song of Lord". Adi Shankaracharya has...

Pandya

05:39

@Tezz ^^^ I can easily convert Gujarati text into Hindi. Can you convert that Hindi into English yourself and help me in posting English?

Tezz

06:01

@Pandya Ok.. convert it to Hindi.. I'll convert it then to English...

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - I will try - " Gita litrally is Bhagvan Shree Krishna's own "Vaani" (वाणी) or words.Ved Vyasa is compiler of the same.Some part's are in "Padya"(पद्य) or in poetry form.Which Ved Vyasa written down as they are or as they been convers.Some parts are in "Gadya" (गद्य) or Passage form.As well as conversation between , sanjay , Dhrutastra and arjuna is in shlokas.

Pandya

@SwiftPushkar you're on right way....

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - i really can't read gujrathi but just wtitting this by visually seeing the words :) it may not be correct , so pls.don't reli on this , a well Gujrathi speaker only can translate it in exact way :)

SwiftPushkar

06:21

@Pandya - ....All this is in 700 shlokas and 18 chapters are written in mahabharata , & are with examples.:)

Pandya

गीता साक्षात भगवान श्रीक्रुष्णके मुखार्विन्दसे निकली हुइ वाणी है।
इसके संकलनकर्ता वेदव्यासजी है।
भगवान श्रीक्रुष्णने अपने उपदेशका मोटा (मोटेतौर पर) अंश तो पद्यमें ही कहा था, जिसको वेदव्यासजीने वैसा का वैसा ही लिख लिया , थोडा अंश जो गद्यमें कहा था, उसको व्यासजीने स्वयं श्लोकबध्ध कर दिया, साथ साथ अर्जुन, संजय व ध्रुतराष्ट्र के वचनोको अपनी भाषामें श्लोकबद्ध करके ढाल दीया (श्लोकबद्ध आकार दीया)। और इस सातसो श्लोकके सम्पुर्ण ग्रंथको अठारह अध्यायोमें विभाजीत करके महाभारतमें रख दीया। जो आज हमें इस रूपमें मिला है।

@Tezz ^^

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - :-) This was my 1st gujrathi translation :)

Pandya

@Tezz Have you got it?

Tezz

07:28

Gita came directly from the divine mouth of Lord Krishna and then it was compiled by Veda Vyasa. Mostly in all part of Gita, Lord Krishna gave his teachings in poetrical form which was kept by Veda Vyasa as it is. For few parts (told by Krishna) which were not in poetrical form, Vyasa himself converted it into poetrical form. Vyasa also converted the words of Arjuna, Sanjaya and Dhritarastra in poetical form.

And he divided these 700 verses into 18 chapters and kept it inside Mahabharata which we see today.

@Pandya Above is the translation... ^^^

SwiftPushkar

07:59

@Tezz - Yes , a fine translation 😊👍👍

Pandya

@Tezz OK, Thanks, I've implemented it. Btw, autocorrected poetrical to poetical

Tezz

@Pandya Is that "Greatness of Gita" part of any scripture...?

What is the authority that it is right...?

@SwiftPushkar 😀😀😀

Pandya

@Tezz You're right, it might be primarily written by Publisher: Gita Press Gorakhpur and writer (may be Goyandaka) and we can always ask the publisher/writer about the authority of it. Anyway, I've just quoted what I found as Gitapress publication is mostly considered authentic.

Krishn Shweta

08:19

Hellos....

Pandya

@Tezz en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gita_Press

Also quora.com/… and quora.com/… may help

Tezz

@Pandya oh ok.. anyways I'm going to accept your answer now for the timebeing...

@KrishnShweta Hlw...

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta - Hello 💐 😊

Krishn Shweta

How are you all?

Pandya

@Tezz Ok. no-problem. You're free to.. whenever...

The Destroyer

08:23

@KeshavSrinivasan @Tezz @SwiftPushkar @TriyugiNarayanMani @Pandya @SreeCharan @sv. i.sstatic.net/YhmDX.jpg

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - I am in 👍👍

The Destroyer

Today is geeta jayanthi divas

Krishn Shweta

@TheDestroyer So... My Krishna's day :)

Pandya

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Today is:

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Yeah.

SwiftPushkar

08:27

@KrishnShweta - Fine ,. Wht.abt.you

Pandya

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Mokshada Ekadashi

Mokshada Ekadashi is a Hindu holy day, which falls on the 11th lunar day (ekadashi) of the fortnight of the waxing moon in the Hindu month of Margashirsha (Agrahayana), corresponding to November–December. Hindus, particularly Vaishnavas observe a 24-hour fast in honour of the god Krishna, an avatar of Vishnu. The ekadashi is celebrated on the same day as Gita Jayanti, the day when Krishna gave the holy sermon of the Bhagavad Gita to the Pandava prince Arjuna, as described in the Hindu epic Mahabharata. The 700-verse Bhagavad Gita told at the beginning of the climactic Mahabharata war between the...

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Gita Jayanti

Gita Jayanti is the birthday of Bhagvad Gita, the sacred text of the Hindus. It is celebrated on the Shukla Ekadashi, 11th day of the waxing moon of Margashirsha month of the Hindu calendar. It is believed the "Bhagavad Gita" was revealed to Arjuna by Sri Krishna Himself in the battlefield of Kurukshetra (in present-day Haryana, India). The text is written in third person, narrated by Sanjaya to King Dhritarashtra as it transpired between Sri Krishna and Arjuna. Sanjaya, the secretary of the blind King Dhritarashtra, had been blessed by his Guru, Vyasadev, with the power to remotely view the events...

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar Yeah... Fine.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Hmm.. maybe in some Parallel universe Krishna just started telling Gita today..😀😀

The Destroyer

@Tezz haha..Could be.

Tezz

By the way... Does anybody know here at what time Lord Krishna started to tell Gita?... morning or evening... apprx..?

Sree Charan

08:30

Morning when the war was about to start.

Evening was rest to the warriors.

Tezz

@SreeCharan Oh.. does Mahabharata specifically mentions about Gita..?

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - yes , as @SreeCharan said , may be at dawn

Tezz

Although it would preassumingly be at morning...

Sree Charan

@Tezz I assume in the morning.

The Destroyer

@Tezz I'm not sure exact time but most probably could be morning..

Sree Charan

08:32

I think it tokk not more than 90 minutes to narrate

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan

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Q: How much time did Sri Krishna take to preach Gita to Arjuna?

Just imagine you are on the battlefield, the two armies facing each other eager to strike. Everyone is agitated and in the midst of this chaos the knowledge of Geeta is being sermonized. It will take long time to preach a spiritual treatise consisting of nearly 700 slokas. What were the armies...

Tezz

@SreeCharan Yes it would be in morning... @TheDestroyer yes, Krishna wouldn't have take much time to make Arjuna reach in middle of Army...

Sree Charan

I am confused about virat roopa darshana. Is it only, arjuna, sanjaya who saw it?

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan Vyasa described it. So, even Vyasa saw it with his Trikaladarshi Powers :P

Sree Charan

What about other armies?

They didn't see right?

The Destroyer

08:41

Related question

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Q: Did Sri Krishna really show Viswarupa Darshan to Arjuna or was it merely a projection of Arjuna's mind?

Majority of the people misunderstood the Vishwarupa Darshanam, as narrated in Srimad Bhagavad Gita. When Arjuna asked Sri Krishna to show his Divine form (द्रष्टुमिच्छामि ते रूपमैश्वरं पुरुषोत्तम), Sri Krishna says as follows: पश्य मे पार्थ रूपाणि शतशोऽथ सहस्रशः। नानाविधानि दिव्यानि नान...

mythology vishnu krishna bhagavad-gita arjuna

@Tezz In PN oak books, an Arabaic poet who praised Vikramaditya in Arvastan (Arabia) during pre Islamic times lived 156 years. Their songs say so. So, our hindu theory of long life in Dwapara and other Yugas could be true though science didn't find any evidence in that.

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@TheDestroyer great

The Destroyer

@TriyugiNarayanMani yeah.

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer Yes. Our hinduism is always beyond science

Tezz

@TheDestroyer I just edited that question (31 Ikshvaku kings)...

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan Yeah.

@Tezz Yeah. I saw that.

Sree Charan

08:50

@Tezz Yes I have seen it. But didn't Rama incarnate at the end of treta yuga like Krishna did? I don't know correctly. clarify

Tezz

@TheDestroyer I do not discard long age theory... but I'm trying to reconcile it with Vedas..

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan Rama ruled 10,000 years according to Uttarakhanda

but Sita says a man can only live for 100 years.

Tezz

@SreeCharan whether Rama incarnated in end of Treta or beginning of Treta it doesn't matter for that question...

The Destroyer

@Tezz But i don't think vedas say it, as vedas are truths for all times. They may not talk about Yugas. Do they mention yugas?

@Tezz Rama was 9 ft right?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer I have not come across any Veda which mentions Yuga...

Most possibly they don't mention it....

The Destroyer

08:57

@Tezz manvantara or Kalpa?

Sree Charan

@Tezz @Tezz If Rama incarnated in the end, no. of years between ramayana and mahabharata would decrease by 10000 yrs.

Tezz

I don't know height of Rama.. where did you get 9 ft value..

@TheDestroyer Vedas mention Kalpa.. see here..

The Destroyer

@Tezz I think valmiki ramayana mentioned when he was lifting Shiva's bow.

Tezz

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Q: Where does Rig Veda states about Cyclical Nature of Creation?

It is a common belief in Hinduism that the nature of creation is cyclic. Continuous creation and destruction happens in certain intervals of time. Most of such ideas are found in Puranas and also in Bhagvad Gita. But do the Vedas also state about Cyclical nature of Creation? I've heard there is ...

vedas scripture history rig-veda creation

यथा पुर्वमकल्पयत् ।
yathã purvamakalpayat ।
Like that in previous creation.

@SreeCharan it wouldn't make significant difference...

Sree Charan

@Tezz ok

Tezz

09:00

@TheDestroyer but this Kalpa may be different from Puranic Kalpa...

The Destroyer

@Tezz Yeah. Just wanted to say the same

Tezz

@TheDestroyer haha...

The Destroyer

@Tezz valmikiramayan.net/utf8/baala/sarga67/bala_67_frame.htm

A bow has a definite height and it is a measure of length, from the ages even up to the age Kautilya, who gave many accounts for weights and measures, in his 'Artha Shaastra' a Penguin re-publication. Four aratni-s cubits are one dhanu, a bow-length, where one aratni is 18 inches, thus a bow-length is 6 feet and above, taking the standard size of archer as a six-footer and a little above. The bow's height is the height of the archer plus one measure of his head's height, as the upper end has to tower the archer's head. That being so, this bow belongs to Shiva and its height must be placed m…

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Oh I didn't knew it..

The Destroyer

@Tezz There are even some facebook posts that Shiva's height is 9 ft

@Tezz As it was Shiva's bow, Rudra's height was 9ft .. But does His height change in every Yuga?? Tripura Dahana is supposed to happen at end of Dwapara yuga though not sure which Dwapara..

Keshav Srinivasan

09:14

@TheDestroyer I would be dead asleep at 6PM IST.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan haha.. you would be mingled with Brahman.. which is much more better that chanting what Brahman said :P :P

But see this

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Haha yeah

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan You would chant in your dreams. :P

The Destroyer

Yeah.. morning 6

for you

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer @Tezz @TheDestroyer I've read the shloka just today and Hanuma describes the height of Rama to seetha as 4 cubits. As Rama has long arms, His height vary between 8-10 feet.

The Destroyer

09:22

@SreeCharan i think Venkateswara height too lies between 8-10

Tezz

@SreeCharan you read in ValmikiRamayana?..

Sree Charan

Yes direct from the book.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer haha.. I don't know.. why would Rudras height change in each Yuga?..

Sree Charan

त्रिवलीवांस्त्र्यवनतश्चतुर्व्यङ्गस्त्रिशीर्षवान् |
चतुष्कलश्चतुर्लेखश्चतुष्किष्कुश्चतुःसमः || ५-३५-१८

Tezz

@SreeCharan Oh ok.. what Sanskrit word it used for "cubit"...?

The Destroyer

09:24

@Tezz Even height when he came as Venkateswara or Srinivasa at beginnig of Kali Yuga is 8-10 feet

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Actually it looks like it's morning 7:30 for me, not 6. So I suppose I could mix in some Gita verses during Sandhyavandhanam.

Sree Charan

@Tezz Don't know. I read with telugu translation though.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer yes, Venkateshwara is just Vishnu himself... but if height of men is more in Satya Yuga.. height of Gods would also be more... otherwise humans would be taller than Gods.. 😀😀

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan ohh.. good.

@Tezz haha..

Sree Charan

@Tezz It is called moora in telugu.

Tezz

09:29

@SreeCharan Oh Ok.. Thanks for information..!

The Destroyer

@Tezz spokensanskrit.de/…

अरत्नि

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz Concerning the height of gods, there's an interesting part in Adhyaya 1 Pada 3 of the Brahma Sutras concerning whether the gods are eligible for Jnana. The Purvapakshin argues that the gods are not eligible, because the Katha Upanishad talks about the Purusha being "the size of a thumb", which implies that the Katha Upanishad is only meant to be read by humans, since the thumbs of gods are much bigger than the thumbs of human beings, and so gods would misinterpret the size.

@Tezz But Vyasa responds that the Purusha is proportionally bigger for gods compared to humans, and so the expression "size of a thumb" is equally applicable to gods and humans.

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan haha... 😀😀

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz Vyasa also says that even if we agree that the Purusha is the size of a human thumb for all beings regardless of their size, that would only imply that the gods are not allowed to read the Katha Upanishad, but they can still read the rest of the Upanishads.

@Tezz It's funny imagining the gods sitting around reading the Brahma Sutras waiting to see if they're allowed to read the Upanishads or not, haha

Sree Charan

09:48

@Tezz I corrected minor spelling mistakes from your question. How do you type a question or answer?

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan He writes from Mobile.

Tezz

10:14

@SreeCharan Ok Thank you..

yes, I type from mobile...

@KeshavSrinivasan haha... every God may not adhere to Brahma Sutra... maybe some follow Mimamsa Sutra or Yoga Sutra or Samkhya or... 😀😀😀

SwiftPushkar

13:45

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Keshav Srinivasan

15:33

@Tezz Haha

@Tezz By the way, do you have a Sanskrit copy of the Varaha Purana? There's an annoying user named Ramesh Bhattarai who keeps trying to prove that all Hindu sacred places are in Nepal. And now he is misinterpreting Varaha Purana verse 140:1 to prove his point. So I want to show him the exact Sanskrit verse.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan I have Sanskrit version of Varaha Purana

@KeshavSrinivasan @Tezz what does 20th Manvantara mean?

@KeshavSrinivasan haha. Yeah. He wants to prove every Hindu temple is in Nepal.

Even Mount Kaliash.. Shiva must be laughing..

Keshav Srinivasan

15:49

@TheDestroyer Hmm, a Kalpa has 14 Manvantaras, so I'm not sure what 20th Manvantara would mean.

@TheDestroyer OK, can you show me chapter 141 verse 1?

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan BTW, this may help your question about churning of ocean

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Yeah, it might, if we could figure out what 20th Manvantara means.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan archive.org/details/VarahaPurana

i will post screenshot

Keshav Srinivasan

16:19

@TheDestroyer ok

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan I find it difficult to locate the verse due to Devangari numbering.

Let @Tezz find it.

@KeshavSrinivasan What could author mean by age of 20th Manu? Who is 20th Manu? We even don't know what is 1st Kalpa.

Keshav Srinivasan

16:40

@TheDestroyer There is no first Kalpa, but you can talk about the first Kalpa of the present Mahakalpa.

@TheDestroyer Similarly you can talk about, say, the seventh Manavantara of the present Kalpa. But it makes no sense to say the 20th Manvantara of the present Kalpa.

@TheDestroyer I suppose it could mean the 20th Manvantara of the present Mahakalpa, which would be the sixth Manvantara of the third Kalpa of the present Mahakalpa.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan in this Mahakalpa, 20th Manvatara could be 3rd Kalpa's 6th Manvanatara.

Haa

exactly

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Haha, great minds think alike

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan haha..

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer I have a feeling that the verse may be mistranslated and actually it means "20th Mahayuga of the present Manvantara" or something like that.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan I couldn't find any word of manvantara in Sanskrit verse.

Keshav Srinivasan

16:45

@TheDestroyer Oh ok, so then it may just be a complete mistranslation. It may mean 20th Mahayuga or 20th Kalpa or something else.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan will everytime Dhanvantari come out after churning of ocean?

@KeshavSrinivasan It is 6th Manvanatara of 2nd Kalpa as 1 kalpa is 14 manvantaras

Chinmay Sarupria

@TheDestroyer @Tezz Vedas do talk about human ages, Yajur Veda XIX.37 - "May fathers, full of glory and mental peace, purify me with a pure life of a hundred years. May grandfathers, purify me with a pure life of a hundred years. May great grandfathers purify me with a pure life of a hundred years. May learned and calm grandfathers purify me with a happy, pure life of a hundred years. May sedate great-grandfathers purify me with a pure life of a hundred years. May I obtain full length of life."

Keshav Srinivasan

18:02

@TheDestroyer Oh yeah, you're right. We both made the same miscalculation at the same time, haha

@TheDestroyer Sometimes there are differences when events repeat.

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