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12:03 AM
Eww indeed
@JourneymanGeek So people with AMD systems and Intel processors without iGPUs won't be able to watch Netflix 4K?
!!headdesk
 
@Annaduh at this point of time, yes
its almost like they want people to pirate their shows so they can watch 4k on a perfectly fine PC that can handle it.
 
Why do I have the feeling that's likely to change at some point
 
I'm not actually going to do it. I was pondering it tho.
 
Easier to just patch out CSMA carrier detect in the Openwrt driver tbh
Speaking of, I need to patch out the DFS code as well and replace it with "Return true;"
@JourneymanGeek You're a dog.
 
12:07 AM
That's worse. I'd be a bad dog
 
12:35 AM
better than being a good cat (there's no such thing)
 
Its a Dlink...
damn thing must be right under me then
 
Heh, my Galaxy S4 gets faster by the day...
Man I love that phone
 
I really like my S4, but not in it's default configuration. :/
 
Yeah, mine's rooted and modified a bit. Not got a custom ROM on like I had on my S5 though
Tempted to put a custom ROM on, the main thing slowing it down atm is the bloat, and the suboptimal kernel CPU governer
 
Wait.. I have an S5, not an S4.
It's a work device though, so it has to stay stock. :/
 
12:49 AM
@djsmiley2k my server is probably older than yours, it's from 2004
and it's not a blade server, it's a full tower

Windows 2003 server fails to give out

Oct 10 '15 at 4:49, 30 minutes total – 51 messages, 4 users, 3 stars

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My server is an Optiplex 780. It's pretty high tech.
 
I don't think my server even supports VT-x
Nope. It doesn't
 
"server" ;p
 
Well
I like the chassis and the backplane.
Actually, I don't like the backplane, get rid of it.
So it's just the chassis.
 
1:04 AM
 
Even the fans suck; I can hear it downstairs. The hard drives are SCSI, not even SAS. RAM is like 2 GB, it weighs like 100lb, still has a floppy drive, uses Server 2003, and has an ATI RAGE XL.
 
@oldmud0 "server" ;p
My phone's probably more powerful
 
I don't have any modern towers to spare.
 
I run a NUC as a home server ;p
 
looks like a genericized mac mini
awww maaan $200?
I could buy me a GTX with that to replace my GTS 240 :/
 
1:09 AM
If you wanted to go super cheap, you could get a scooter PC
 
scooter PC??
 
1:30 AM
"Hey, can you reset my iPad? I forgot my password"
tries qwerty
"here you go. All done."
 
hm
I'm running low on ethernet ports on my desk....
3 gigabit ports + AP or 7 fast ethernet ports....
 
1:46 AM
@JourneymanGeek haha
 
 
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Bob
2:58 AM
@JourneymanGeek Should be replaced. With TomTom's phone.
 
 
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4:19 AM
@JourneymanGeek Why not get an Ethernet switch?
8-port GbE switches are very cheap these days.
 
Bob
@bwDraco 💰 ⌚
 
4:37 AM
@bwDraco I have these on hand.
 
 
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6:31 AM
anyone able to quickly help with setting up a home network?
 
maybe.
Its basically what I'm messing with at the moment ;p
 
Thanks. Asking on behalf of a friend. His landlord who lives next door has offered to share the network for a very low rate. LL has fiber optic and can run a CAT cable and through to a LAN connection in the wall.

Can my friend then simply plug a router into the wall and set up his own secondary network?

Are there all kinds of potential problems?
 
eh. Sure
I do that. You'd need to run double-NAT with different ranges or just let the main router handle DHCP
 
so the second router would need to be able to function as a 'bridging' router (correct term?)
 
6:39 AM
@Jdoh Personally when I've got two devices capable of doing NAT, routing and switching, I tend to delegate one device to do all the "Layer 3 stuff" (that is, keeping track of clients on its private subnet) and everybody else just Layer 2 bridges into the Layer 3 network.
 
Depends on a router. If your friend hasn't bought one yet, its a good idea to check if it does AP mode
 
it makes network configuration easier
 
else you'd want to turn off the DHCP server, and plug in the main router to a lan not wan port
 
especially things like port forwarding and bidirectional communication between clients on both networks
 
@allquicatic dual nat is just ugly ;p
 
6:40 AM
@JourneymanGeek not only turn off the DHCP server but also the NAT functionality (which may also be a separate option from DHCP)
 
@allquicatic I don't remember having to do that most of the time when I beat a lesser router into being a pure AP :p
 
He doesn't have a router. He's not particularly tecchy and I'm 5,000km away. I can muddle my way through network stuff but not enough to blindly help him over the phone / remote connection.

Is there any reason he can't simply have an AP?
 
Oh if he's buying a new one? Certainly
That would be simpler/cheaper I suspect
 
and I'd imagine, as he wouldn't need the config. options, he'd get better signal for his money from a nicer AP.
 
Bob
@Jdoh, in this situation IMO just go with NAT in standard router mode.
 
6:43 AM
@Jdoh not necessarily -- some of the best WiFi infrastructure is "full-stack" with all kinds of enterprisey features, such as the Cisco enterprise kit, that costs $1k and up
 
Bob
Don't bother with bridging.
Double-NAT is bad, but not that bad.
Especially because you effectively have two independent networks here.
 
@Bob yeah but some routers get the implementation wrong, to the point that things just don't work with double NAT, or there's significant overhead
 
Bob
You want full control over your own network - if you bridged, you'd be at the mercy of the landlord's networking equipment.
 
I fielded a SU question about that recently actually
 
Bob
A bridged network also increases risk of malware spreading over the network, etc..
@allquicatic I've literally never seen that before.
 
6:44 AM
but surely still a fairly low risk?
 
@Bob does it? bcast is usually blocked
 
Bob
I've seen consumer routers utterly stuff up their "bridge" mode, but routing mode just about always works.
@allquicatic I'm assuming here that broadcast between the two networks is not desired.
Here, he only needs broadcast within his own network. He does not need broadcast into his landlord's network (and vice versa).
 
"I'm assuming here that broadcast between the two networks is not desired."

Correct
 
Bob
In fact, blocking broadcast would be an advantage here.
@Jdoh Basically, conceptually, routing (w/ NAT) creates a second network. Bridging merges two networks together.
 
@Bob like my dlink
 
Bob
6:46 AM
Routing gives you your own (private) subnet with your own IP range, DHCP server, etc..
 
got it
 
@Bob double natting is simpleish
 
Bob
And routing is very easy. Just plug the external network into the port marked "WAN". All done.
 
Just make sure its a router, and you can set the range.
@Bob and a different IP range.
 
what do you mean by range? IP range?
 
6:47 AM
yup
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Oh yea.
 
@Bob You have that low end asus right?
 
Bob
Bridging, on the other hand... apart from @JourneymanGeek's problems, I've attempted to brigde WAN/LAN ports and often that kills the firmware :P
 
Thanks. Off to check out newegg.
 
just make sure whichever wireless equipment you buy is 802.11ac dual band
 
6:47 AM
will do
 
anything less in 2016 is a waste of money
 
Bob
The easiest way to "bridge" is just disable DHCP and plug in the external network on a LAN port, and ignore the WAN port entirely.
 
@allquicatic heh. I'm currently running on 802.11n dual band ._.
Despite having an AC router
 
is tri worth the money?
 
@Jdoh avoid dlink
 
Bob
6:48 AM
@JourneymanGeek Not really. I bought it, but I'm not using it - set it up for someone else.
 
I've been with WiFi since 802.11b was the latest available standard
 
really? Always been happy with mine.
 
I've seen dramatic increases in range, stability, latency, packet loss, jitter, everything -- as the generations have progressed from b to g to n to ac
 
Bob
@allquicatic TBH, depending on the requirements, 802.11n is still fine for most use cases.
802.11ac costs in the $75+ range. 802.11n can be had for $20.
 
and 5 GHz is usually way better than 2.4 GHz due to the extreme congestion of 2.4 GHz (Bluetooth, WiFi, microwave oven interference, RF headphones, etc.)
 
6:49 AM
@allquicatic increases in latency and packet loss sound... terrible...
 
@JourneymanGeek improvements :P
 
Bob
@Jdoh Do you know how big the house is? Where will the AP be located (middle, one side, etc.)? Is yard coverage a requirement?
 
admittedly my network was okay (just okay, not amazing) with 802.11n on 5 GHz
but it's better than ever with 802.11 5 GHz with a very congested 2.4 GHz band nearby and an almost empty 5 GHz band.
 
Bob
@Jdoh Also, is it a crowded area (middle of city, apartments)? Or large house, suburban, fairly isolated?
 
It'll be located fairly centrally. A single OEM router was fine before for full coverage.
 
Bob
6:51 AM
@allquicatic You really can't generalise these things. I have no issues with 2.4 GHz congestion because... well... not many networks that close.
@Jdoh Then you should be fine with 802.11n.
Wait, is there any reason you can't just use the same router you previously did?
Don't get me wrong, 802.11ac is definitely better, but it's up to you if it's worth the extra $$.
 
it's gone back to the ISP at the end of contract
 
Bob
If you're gaming, the lower latency would help.
 
@Bob there's no existing router
 
Bob
If you do large file transfers (between computers, over fibre internet, etc.), 802.11ac might help.
If you're often at the edge of the range, 802.11ac might help.
If you're doing general web browsing... 802.11n is probably sufficient.
 
@Bob If I recall correctly, the "big" enhancements for 802.11ac (in terms of top-end throughput, plus beam forming) are strictly unavailable in the 2.4 GHz band.
The only real advantage of 2.4 GHz is, being lower frequency, it can cross thicker physical barriers with less relative attenuation than 5 GHz.
 
6:53 AM
Oh. And you need AC gear to do AC... ;p
if all your phones, pcs and such arn't...
 
Bob
@Jdoh IP range. Uh. Say the landlord has their network on 192.168.1.1/24 (so 192.168.1.1-192.168.1.255). You need to pick a different range. Like 192.168.88/24.
To prevent clashing, y'see.
 
Basically I would recommend buying 802.11ac hardware with all new purchases (of both clients and APs/routers) and make sure it's dual band so you at least have the option to try 5 GHz
 
Bob
But you need to check what the landlord is on first. Should be pretty easy to check by just plugging a laptop or desktop into the port.
 
if 802.11ac 5 GHz works well, great! if not, try 2.4 GHz as an alternative
and the 2.4 GHz simultaneous capability allows you to support older devices that only do, say, 802.11n single-band 2.4 GHz
 
damn it, people, I'm tempted to stick the dllink back in my room ;)
oh
 
Bob
6:55 AM
@allquicatic Remember I'm also saying they don't necessarily need 802.11ac in the first place :P
 
@Bob - thanks. IP / subnet etc is the part I do vaguely recall from Uni.
 
Bob
In the same way that gigabit ethernet is strictly better, but most people would be fine with 100mbit for general browsing.
@allquicatic Funnily enough, I don't think my Sony phone does 802.11ac when acting as a hotspot :\
Mostly a software thing AFAICT.
Samsung apparently does.
 
@Bob ok, but there are significant reliability improvements in 802.11ac (at least for me) that far surpass 802.11n gear, especially that "Draft N" and "Draft N 2.0" crap that persisted for years in the early 2010s before 802.11n finally stabilized a bit and became less horrible
at this point, 5 GHz 802.11ac is indistinguishable from Ethernet or USB RNDIS for me for general browsing, light downloading and gaming -- even through a floor the speed is quite excellent
 
Bob
@allquicatic I think that also depends a lot on environmental noise.
@Jdoh, you can try to get them to take a look at local noise with a wifi spectrum analyser app on their phone. That'll give you an idea of how congested the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands are. Then you can decide if you need to go up to a higher grade.
 
@Bob my environmental noise has been very consistent over the years, and I've been using 5 GHz for my main devices since the early Drafts of 802.11n (I even experimented with it on and off with 802.11a when "g" was the latest standard)
basically up and down my suburban neighborhood, almost every house has a cable or ADSL modem, some of them also have one or more routers, and each of these is a wireless base station, and every single one of them is on 2.4 GHz and advertising either 802.11g or 802.11n
 
Bob
7:00 AM
@allquicatic 802.11n has always been fine for me from an infra router, but it's pretty shoddy from a phone AP :\
 
it's been surprisingly stagnant and I've seen very little indication of people upgrading their kit
I can see about ten neighbors' APs at connect-able signal strengths from my room
 
Bob
@allquicatic I think I account for some 75% of networks and noise in my area :P
 
plus the other one in my house
@Bob lol, nice
 
Bob
Last I checked, I could see 3-4 fairly low power APs nearby. And I have 6 APs currently operating...
 
I don't contribute to 2.4 GHz noise outside my room because the range on my bluetooth headset is fairly limited (just barely reaches across the hallway)
 
7:02 AM
About the same for me
 
Bob
lesse. Main 802.11n. Second 802.11n for range. One 802.11ac. One 802.11n guest. Another 802.11n guest.
Oh, it's only 5 now.
Hmm... I could switch off the guest networks now, actually...
@allquicatic Oh, one thing I did have trouble with on my 802.11n APs was switching between 2.4 and 5 GHz. Ended up assigning separate SSIDs.
 
I think all of the APs in my neighborhood are broadcasting at the maximum legal TX power, which definitely contributes to spectrum pollution
 
Bob
Works fine on the newer ac AP.
@allquicatic I think they all do, these days.
 
probably gives them decent signal in the upstairs rooms of their houses... but also marginal signal across the street >_>
 
Bob
Houses here are almost all single-storey :P
But fairly large area. So not all that clustered together.
 
7:05 AM
@Bob my Verizon Jetpack AC791L has a nice feature where it has three extremely user-friendly TX power settings that it lets you choose, and describes the pros and cons of each in very comprehensible terms
 
Bob
@allquicatic I don't recall ever seeing tx power options on OEM firmware o.O
 
it basically gives you a quick crash course on (1) battery life vs (2) signal reliability over longer distances vs (3) spectrum pollution
with only 3 options - low, medium and high
it's beautiful
 
Bob
Also, tragedy of the commons. No one cares about spectrum pollution when they can push their own signal up :P
I tend to just leave mine on the defaults. Which is probably max legal anyway...
 
actually it's "Short (small coverage, uses less power)", "Medium", and "Long (large coverage, uses more power)"
it's battery powered so that makes some sense
 
Bob
@allquicatic I don't think my battery-powered APs ever had such an option -_-
hometime
 
7:08 AM
oh, also! my AC791L got a firmware update recently to add more carrier aggregation bands, and entirely new support for Band 5
 
Bob
@Jdoh try to get them to do the spectrum analysis, maybe check if their devices support ac, and ask them for a budget. Decide from there.
 
basically the chances of me getting band contention are lower because there's more bands available
 
Bob
If the budget is $80+, I'd say definitely go for ac.
 
about 20 visible APs from my PC
minimum
 
Bob
9 visible from my phone at work
30+ on the street outside :P
 
7:14 AM
@Bob 25 story building, + another 2 nearby and.... 4 apartments a floor...
 
7:32 AM
@Bob funny thing is I'm probably tech savvy enough to do that and I don't want to. There's literally too many APs here
 
welp. Just set up Folding@home. I've never had this much trouble getting it to work.
One moment it crashes the machine (had to update the graphics driver), another moment the client flat-out refuses to launch.
Folding under a new identity because I haven't done this for so long.
 
erf. Wierd. something broke with my download setup when I switched IP address ranges
Not too sure what, and restarting fixed it.
 
@JourneymanGeek your ISOs? :P
 
@allquicatic actually, yes.
;p
and I didn't notice until "wait. what? fedora has a new version"
 
7:50 AM
Well, a new version of openSUSE Leap just came out but I don't want to work on deploying it on my main server right now.
 
errrrr
 
We have 14 more months of support for 42.1.
 
@bwDraco I wasn't exactly meaning I was going to upgrade to fedora 25 ;p
 
(openSUSE Leap gets new versions every twelve months, and each version is supported until two months after the second major release after that version)
My laptop's GPU is running remarkably cool under a Folding@home load.
 
@bwDraco is folding one of those GPGPU workloads that runs well on both AMD and Nvidia hardware, or is it one of those, like Bitcoin, where a Radeon of almost any scale absolutely smokes even high-end Nvidia chips?
I recall the benchmarks for bitcoin hashes per sec where it was like, Radeon R9 280X several times faster than GTX 980 Ti
 
7:58 AM
Not too sure...
I know that since GCN, AMD GPUs have tended to be more compute-oriented than NVIDIA GPUs.
 
supposedly Pascal caught Nvidia GeForce up part-way to AMD in the consumer GPGPU space, but GeForce is still, by far, predominantly a 3d graphics rendering card
whereas Radeon is not particularly more geared towards graphics than GPGPU, at least to the extent that cards that do 3d rendering can be biased or not
(Tesla's still "pure" GPGPU; it can't even render to a framebuffer because it doesn't have a framebuffer)
 
@allquicatic ...and GP100 doesn't even have ROPs or PolyMorph Engines.
Jul 8 at 5:21, by bwDraco
Consumer Pascal parts have FP64 at 1/32 of FP32, but Polaris has FP64 at 1/16 of FP32.
AMD's focus on compute does come at a cost of less efficient performance.
Jul 9 at 15:57, by bwDraco
AMD consumer cards have always had more compute resources than NVIDIA consumer cards at the expensive of geometry performance and power efficiency.
(see context for more information)
Jul 9 at 16:23, by bwDraco
AMD's been betting on compute for a long time now. That approach has put them at a disadvantage, and game developers have not been doing much GPU compute (aside from PhysX, which is very hard on NVIDIA GPUs) until recently.
AMD's strategy has consistently baffled me. Why waste silicon on compute functionality most consumers will never touch?
NVIDIA sure doesn't.
I mean, if you look at the Radeon HD 7970, FP64 performance was 1/4 of FP32.
If you look at Polaris, they've certainly cut back on compute capability a bit (FP64 at 1/16 of FP32), but they're still using up die space for functionality that >90% of consumers will never touch within the card's lifetime.
NVIDIA understands this. The new FP16 functionality in Pascal is 2x of FP32 in GP100 but a mere 1/64 of FP32 in consumer GPUs.
Polaris, on the other hand, has FP16 at 2x of FP32. 😕
AMD is just wasting die space and power on functionality that will never see use in a consumer environment.
 
8:19 AM
because cheaper not to customise chips for those who require it and those who don't?
 
@djsmiley2k It's driving them out of the consumer market, though. Even if their products are viable for heavy GPGPU, most of their raw revenue has to come from sales in laptops and desktops for people who play MMOs, MOBAs and first-person shoooters.
And those people don't need FP64 hardly at all
 
FP16 is useful for AI, and that's what NVIDIA is promoting the GP100 cards for, but has very little use practically no use in consumer workloads, even ones that use GPGPU functionality.
 
They even have a dedicated workstation product line and GPGPU product line!
 
weird
would it be useful for encrpytion?
hmmerp I can't spell :D
 
I can see a select few consumer workloads possibly needing a bit of FP64 in the future, but I see no consumer use case for FP16 (unless you call datacenter workloads "consumer").
 
8:24 AM
really the only consumer GPGPU I see is (1) physics -- which could need FP64 in games like Star Citizen -- and (2) video encoding, which has dedicated silicon for that purpose because dedicated silicon is way faster than general purpose programming and video encoding is too expensive otherwise
 
@djsmiley2k AMD has been betting on GPGPU for a very long time. The whole concept of the APU was built around the belief that consumer applications will make extensive use of GPGPU functionality in the near future. This hasn't happened.
It's the whole reason they acquired ATI in the first place.
 
right
So changing things would be admitting they were wrong..
 
Only now are we starting to see games emerge that make use of GPGPU functionality for more than just physics (e.g. compute shaders in DOOM).
 
@djsmiley2k nothing really wrong with that. Intel did it after the p iv
 
NVIDIA has gimped compute functionality in consumer GPUs not just for market segmentation, but because they rightly foresaw that CUDA functionality would not be extensively used in consumer applications except for a few specialized workloads.
Every bit of silicon that is enabled on the chip wastes power even when it's not used (unless they clock-gate it, but that's besides the point).
As far as I can tell, clock gating in GPUs happens not at individual shader cores, but each cluster of cores (SMs or CUs).
AMD cards wind up wasting more energy on compute resources that are unused 99+% of the time than do NVIDIA cards.
 
8:36 AM
More and More I'm thinking Trump has played so many americans so well
@JourneymanGeek nod, but some company/people see it that way
 
@djsmiley2k zen! Since they're moving off of their CMT designs to SMT....
 
logged into work and no calls for nearly 40 min so far
good times
i'm knackered after daughter kept me up at 3am
 
Also, AMD gives more overall die space to compute functionality (including basic FP32 units) than NVIDIA. This is why you see AMD GPUs vastly outperforming otherwise comparable NVIDIA GPUs in certain compute-intensive workloads like cryptocurrency mining, but this hurts their overall gaming performance.
 
morning
 
8:58 AM
!! s/m/z/
 
@allquicatic zorning (source)
 
!!s/n/m/
 
@JourneymanGeek @allquicatic zorming (source) (source)
 
...
 
gawd so tired
3am wakeups with my daughter aren't fun.
 
9:03 AM
@djsmiley2k do you work remotely?
 
I wish
Why?
 
go have a snooze in the server room
 
Haha
not my job anymore
Now at a desk, kinda tied to a phone
tho no calls in over an hour so that' good at least
making it look like I'mbusy by occassionally dialing out :)
(i.e. chasing open stuff)
 
9:23 AM
does this look legit? indiegogo.com/projects/…
 
@Burgi The prices are essentially "Pay this to pre-order at a discount"
which is wierd
Looks like they passed the "have developed stuff before" test
 
9:51 AM
The word Mamihlapinatapai (sometimes spelled mamihlapinatapei) is derived from the Yaghan language of Tierra del Fuego, listed in The Guinness Book of World Records as the "most succinct word", and is considered (for example by Austrian playwright Clemens Berger) one of the hardest words to translate. == Meaning == It allegedly refers to "a look shared by two people, each wishing that the other would initiate something that they both desire but which neither wants to begin." A slightly different interpretation of the meaning also exists: "It is that look across the table when two people are sharing...
 
Bob
10:53 AM
@allquicatic mamiwhatnow
 
11:17 AM
What a fucking deal!
 
11:27 AM
:D
@allquicatic been there done that
 
It's know that W7 adjusts volume but speaker balance?
And this annoys me!
I have "Loudness Equalization" enabled. Will try to disable but I know volume will overall be weaker. That's why I have this option enabled in 1st place.
 
11:48 AM
@Bob cry? heh, I hit my pc until it breaks or bsods. It's much more relieving.
(causing a bsod is really easy ala you aim for the ram)
 
12:22 PM
lul
I fire cosmic rays outta my eyes
hoping to flip some bits on the cpu in transit
 
12:35 PM
Hi everyone. One quick question. I have issue connecting to my server. I can ping it though. I tried to monitor the traffic using wireshark, and I see many tcp retransmissions. What can be the reason?
 
is SSH running?
@MostafaShahverdy what do you mean "connecting to"?
 
@Burgi yeah.
@Burgi I can't open it on browser nor connect using ssh
 
checked the firewall?
how do you know if SSH is running if you can't connect to it?
 
I don't have a firewall active right now
@Burgi my friend can connect to it
 
is it restricted to a certain IP?
what errors are you getting?
you should post this as a question on Super User
 
12:43 PM
@Burgi it has a static ip, if you mean.
@Burgi connection time out.
@Burgi right.
 
make sure you include all the diagnostic info you have
 
@Burgi I thought some quick hints might be good help.
 
this chat isn't really the right place to help do the diagnostics
 
@MostafaShahverdy Create a Super User question. Include the output from pathping or tracert to your server.
 
i'm about to lose my mind with this stupid ajax crap
 
12:59 PM
Chat is a great place to do dusgbistixs
 

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