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6:00 AM
@ASCII-only any for regular vim? I don't like nvim
 
Why not? (out of curiosity)
 
Unfortunately no, vim's plugin structure is not very good for asynchronous plugins ;_;
 
wat
@ASCII-only Didn't they add async in vim 8.0?
 
@wat IDK, all I know is their vim plugin is dead
@DestructibleWatermelon @wat github.com/Floobits/floomatic (if you can get your editor to autosave on changes it should work)
 
wat
@ASCII-only thanks
@ASCII-only ok
 
6:04 AM
Also browser based is here: floobits.com/help/hangout
 
This is one of the hackiest answers I have ever made: v.tryitonline.net/…
 
Hillary Clinton   ===     ===>
Donald Trump      ===     ===>
Destructible Watermelon   ===>
 
Lol. Their name is too long
 
@DLosc ping
@DrMcMoylex Link to question?
 
Newest one on main?
Shouldn't be that hard to find, lol
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Q: Print a ballot!

OliverAs you all know, today is election day! Your task today is to print out a ballot, given an input. If the input is Hillary Clinton, print: Hillary Clinton ===-----===> Donald Trump === ===> ____________ === ===> However, if the input is Donald Trump, print: Hillary Clinto...

 
6:12 AM
@DrMcMoylex Sorry, don't go on PPCG often
 
@Qwerp-Derp?
 
7:10 AM
There's like 5 days till CALESYTA closes and I kinda want to submit another language but I don't have any ideas (I may have said this on multiple occasions, sorry)
@arda :( you didn't like the second downpearl more? :P
 
OH SHIII
_I had one I nearly finished
 
@DestructibleWatermelon ?
 
I just had an idea for an esolang - one that does not have control flow, but it is executed in a "virtual document" and there are instructions to simulate keypresses like ⌘A, ⌘C, and ⌘V.
 
@Challenger5 Yeah, that's V
 
Lol, pretty much
It has a little bit of control flow though, but not beyond what vim already has
 
7:18 AM
Oh, whoops, I just used the Unicode command key ⌘. Sorry @ASCII-only :P
 
@Challenger5 You're lucky I removed my disapproval face keyboard a long time ago :P
 
Disapproval faces... In Unicode?
 
@Challenger5 Yes before I was ASCII-only when my username was >75% Unicode pls don't criticize ;_;
@DestructibleWatermelon pls explain, what did you nearly finish
 
Guess the language (Hint - it's a truth-machine): ((())((()())((())())((())())(()()(())))(())()((()())())(())(()()())()()()()(()()‌​)((())())((())())((())()())(()())((())())((())())(()()())((()()))((())(()))(())((‌​()())((()))((()()))((())(())))()(()(()))((()))(()())((()()))(())(())(()()(()))(((‌​))(()))((()()))(())(((()))((()()))(()())((())())((())())(()()())((()()))((())(())‌​))(()(())))
 
Parenthetic or Parenthesis Hell
 
7:24 AM
Or possibly (very unlikely) brain-flak
 
You can't even loop with just () in Brain-flak :P
 
@ASCII-only esosub
 
Anonymous
Obviously it's Binary Lambda Calculus, with ( representing 1 and ) representing 0
 
a 2d language using substitution as control flow, like ///
 
That program took me a long time to compose... But no, it's not any of those.
 
7:27 AM
@DestructibleWatermelon don't worry there's still 6 days
 
@DestructibleWatermelon Nope.
 
@Challenger5 I wasn't talking to you
For a second there I thought you were telling me esosub was actually something else
 
Oh, sorry...
@Mego Nope. The parenthesis in this language must always be properly matched.
 
Anonymous
Has it been used on PPCG before?
 
sounds similar to brain-flak
 
7:31 AM
@Mego Nope. It was only made a few days ago and the interpreter is still WIP.
 
@Challenger5 ... how are we expected to guess if it's nowhere
 
is it something to do with binary lambda calculus
@ASCII-only it is a guess what I'm thinking challenge
guess what the name will be
 
@Challenger5 Are there any commands other than ( and )
 
@ASCII-only NOP.
It's on esolangs.org.
 
Oh then that's easy unless it's from a really old concept
 
7:35 AM
Lol you got it :P
 
Anonymous
Wasn't too hard to find your esolangs account :P
 
@Mego I used recent changes
 
Anonymous
Same
 
Anonymous
I saw his username in recent changes and went from there
 
Anonymous
You just barely beat me to it
 
7:37 AM
Here's another one, which is totally a different language: 0xe59e6394d4e1b0
 
@Challenger5 Binary ObCode
 
Yep :P
 
I
I just pressed random page and got obcode
 
@DestructibleWatermelon Wow...
Bye.
 
ok so I have nothing to do again ;_;
 
7:44 AM
ok
I can help you
want to help me implement maze koth?
 
koth = eww
@DestructibleWatermelon how exactly would i do that
 
@ASCII-only both were nice but this one is more recognizable as pearl
 
@arda Oh, fair enough
 
eww = enormously winning win?
 
@DestructibleWatermelon eww = terrible = koths are hard to implement well
 
7:48 AM
;_; y u do dis
well
fine
have nothing to do
 
8:26 AM
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AngsPlot a list of numbers Given a list of numbers list and the height of the plot h, write a program/function/snippet that prints an array of length(list) columns and h rows where each column contains one special character, e.g. # and h-1 spaces. For the nth column the height of the special charact...

 
8:45 AM
Please stop changing your avatars to down-something. Apart from being the same issue as last time of everyone trying to be unique in the same way, this is even more confusing than changing your avatar to something else. A quick glance at the avatars is an easy way to quickly identify users, which is close to impossible now as they all look the same on small hDPI screens.
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Changing your avatars to down-something doesn't make your avatar much unique
 
Anonymous
@mınxomaτ Just ignore the ones who blindly follow such silly trends. I've found that I don't miss much doing that.
 
9:43 AM
Is NewMainPosts on vacation? It's been an hour now.
 
He's on strike
 
10:03 AM
Ummm
 
10:13 AM
Say I want to make a turing tarpit competitive: Do I use portions smaller than 1 byte to represent each of my limited instruction set, or just un-Turing-Tarpit it by adding more advanced functions to eat up the entirety of the character code space?
 
I think "competitive turing tarpit" is just an oxymoron, and in general the latter would be more competitive
 
10:45 AM
@StevenH. Compress the language by making commands less than 1 byte
It will be tricky to decode because most architectures work with multiples of 8-bit though
 
@StevenH. I'd add advanced functions if you want competitiveness
@TuxCopter architecture register size has nothing to do with hardness to decode, it won't be hard to decode
 
I mean to load from a file
Without some really advanced HDD/SSD hacks it will be tricky
 
I already have space for a no-op, so I can just zero-pad
 
@TuxCopter ... all you need is bitwise ops
 
I mean to read directly
Without some bitwise decoding from an octet
 
10:51 AM
why the need to read directly?
 
@mod plz update avatar
I need to hw now gtg bai
 
 
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11:59 AM
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Stewie GriffinCops and robbers, Some title Cops: Write a code that outputs the integer 1. If you change a single character, the code should output the integer 2. Change one more byte (the same or another), and the code should output 3. Continue like this as far as you can, but maximum up to 10. You must r...

 
:O this is amazing I didn't know chrome devtools had settings
 
My donald trump comment was deleted yesterday... codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/98132/31516
@TheDonald: You won... :(
 
@NewSandboxedPosts int main(){int a=1;a+=0;a+=0; ... ; putchar(a+48);}

 Election 2016!

Discussion about the 2016 US election. Watch yo' profanity.
 
@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ weird, was google search always inside the suggestion box?
 
That is the old version of Google
 
12:43 PM
@ASCII-only idk, it's some guy's screenshot from 2014
I believe it works like that for mobile devices
 
 
1 hour later…
1:59 PM
What the hell happened?
 
Stuff.
 
(I think you all know what I'm referring to)
 

 Election 2016!

Discussion about the 2016 US election. Watch yo' profanity.
 
@quartata Terrible stuff.
 
OH MY GOD DONALD DUCK IS THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATED WHAT THE ACTIAL FUCK
@mınxomaτ ;_;
 
2:03 PM
Yeah, welcome to the future.
 
@Downgoat More like Scrooge McDuck. Donald is poor.
@Downgoat What are you crying about. You are the "original". So keep yours ;-)
 
Real talk here. How on earth did he get Pennsylvania and Michigan
 
@quartata the equivalent of a giant "Fuck You" sign presented to US
 
@quartata Please. Other chatroom. It's pinned for a reason.
 
On a side note though: calm down :)
 
2:06 PM
@Downgoat you made an app to downgoatify avatars srs
 
@Sp3000 Have you forged ahead with that problem from yesterday, i.e. found Bn?
 
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LembikCreate a random orthogonal matrix An orthogonal matrix is a square matrix with real entries whose columns and rows are orthogonal unit vectors (i.e., orthonormal vectors). This means that M^T M = I, where I is the identity matrix and ^T signifies matrix transposition. The task is to take a po...

comments please
 
This feels familiar...
 
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LembikCreate a random orthogonal matrix An orthogonal matrix is a square matrix with real entries whose columns and rows are orthogonal unit vectors (i.e., orthonormal vectors). This means that M^T M = I, where I is the identity matrix and ^T signifies matrix transposition. The task is to take a po...

 
@Shebang I technically already had Bn (since I had n), but anything further not really.
Or at least I think I have n
 
2:08 PM
Is it possible to verify it?
Or is it much too big
 
You can verify correctness, but not minimality (although if I've got my maths right I think I should be fine there)
 
Ah, fair enough
Well all that's left now is to factor 2^n - 1.. I'll see you somewhere around heat death ;)
 
my main question is should I exclude the use mathematical libraries?
 
How many digits does n have?
 
what do people think?
 
2:11 PM
Yeah, about that.
74 digits if I'm right
 
@Lembik No.
 
@Lembik Maybe if the library has a getRandomOrthoMatrix() function that should be banned
 
@Shebang I think I banned that already :)
 
You can ban built-ins that solve this problem, but banning math libs is ridiculous.
 
2:13 PM
@Lembik Depends on what functionality you're intending to ban with "mathematical libraries", since some language have less maths builtin than others
 
@Sp3000 he asks for the first 93 prime factors of b=2^n-1, so he claims that he has b factorized.
 
see 2755 to 2772
 
First 93 factors isn't quite the same as all factors, but I do feel like it's fairly hard past, say, the first 20
 
What I find amusing about this conversation is we'll look back in 10, 20 years and go "Hah, remember when factoring that big number seemed such a daunting task?" and laugh.
 
@Lembik if the program randomly generates n x n orthogonal matrices that only contain 0 and 1 is that fine?
 
2:17 PM
@Shebang no!
they can't be orthogonal!
well only the identity can
 
That's what I mean
 
they are supposed to be uniform over all orthogonal matrices
 
It would essentially be the identity matrix with a random shuffling of columns. I assume that isn't what you want?
Ok :)
 
it is exactly not what I want :)
 
Hmm actually I get the feeling first 93 might be a lot easier than finding all...
 
2:21 PM
Can Python (or some other tool) handle something as big as 2^(10^74)?
Maybe Mathematica?
 
You don't calculate the actual number, you play with modular exponentiation
But I get the feeling b actually has a lot of small factors, so first 93 might actually be feasible
Not all factors though
 
@Shebang long ints in python have no bound. You can store a number as large as your memory can hold.
 
You guys should see the sunrise today:
@ASCII-only was right :P
 
Seriously, Trump have some common sense, he wouldn't nuke anything without an explicit declaration of war
 
@TuxCopter ??
 
2:26 PM
@Lembik ^^^^
 
you know trump will mandate javascript as the only official government coding language
make javascript great again
 
.-.
 
You say again like it was great at some point ;)
 
Do cops and robbers usually have separate threads?
 
2:27 PM
yes
 
Yes
 
Yes
 
@Chatgoat no chatgoats in here
 
@TuxCopter ;_; y u sai dis
 
@Chatgoat chatgoats should be in chatbarns, not in chatrooms
 
2:31 PM
:O
-1 vrei discriminatory
 
Would you guys like me to move the last couple dozen messages there?
 
Trying to do it myself and struggling with these fancy mod tools :P
 
Oh right, you have da power. :P
 
(if you could that would be good - I've done it once, but I can't figure out how for the life of me atm)
(target's here)
 
I did see more relevant messages further up in the transcript, but elected to leave them there.
Oooh, I should probably have said "chose" instead of "elected".
 
2:43 PM
@El'endiaStarman could u also move message regarding election to their respective chatroom?
 
Relax, that's all I'll say about the election in here. (At least, for the next day or two.)
 
Agree, inauguration is when we should freak out
 
Anyway, why are you using Chatgoat? To be different from everyone else with DownAvatars?
 
Downgoat seems to be suspended
 
Though TimmyD's interpretation is at least somewhat more clever.
 
2:46 PM
@El'endiaStarman i posted something (not even regarding trump specifically) which hurt someone's feelings
 
@mınxomaτ Wait what? *looks* Oh, I see why.
Technically, using an alternate account to get around a suspension is grounds for suspension itself...
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@Chatgoat mind telling me why you are suspended?
no is okay also
 
@El'endiaStarman well i mean im not doing anything bad
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ i posted pic of white house with nazi flag :|
 
oic
@Chatgoat true, but you are evading your punishment
how long is the suspension? you should probably just wait it out
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ 30 mins
 
2:52 PM
.... just wait for 30 minutes. you'll get in more trouble for evading the suspension probably
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ At this point, four minutes actually.
 
Oh no, four minutes! Whatsoever shall be done?
 
@Downgoat see you in 4 minutes
 
For now, I'm letting it slide, but really, if you get suspended for 30 minutes, just suck it up and tough it out.
 
HN 502s for me. Anyone else? (Try multiple times)
 
@El'endiaStarman Thanks! :D
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ news.ycombinator.com
 
@mınxomaτ Works for me.
 
nvm, they just fixed it.
Cloudflare's IPv6 configuration changed in some way that caused HN requests to fail. We've turned IPv6 off for now. Sorry, all.
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ hai
 
New 20 second video from CGP Grey
 
@mınxomaτ Is it 20 seconds of him doing his best to not swear?
 
another KoTH idea: Players control one type of specimen. Types are in a RPS format: fire, water, earth. The more you kill your opponent, the less predators your predator has
 
@El'endiaStarman No, he just sounds defeated.
 
2:59 PM
hm, interesting
 
@NathanMerrill Fire/water/grass, you mean. (Pokémon starters.)
 
sure :P
 
Wait, I just realized that HN tweet is from April >.>
I think 1700 comments in one thread are stressing their servers.
Well, what do I expect. After all, for reasons unknown, HN is written in Arc.
 
@WheatWizard Hey BTW, fantastic C&R challenge! I'm excited to see what some people come up with.
 
Re: KoTH idea: I'm not really sure what a good strategy would be
I'm not really sure it'd work out
 
3:11 PM
Oh cool. Hulu works on Chrome/Linux again, so I can finally banish Firefox from my system. This makes me happy :)
 
Does anyone here know how to talk to an arbitrary user?
 
@DrMcMoylex Thanks!
 
So C is out the window... :(
 
Another KoTH idea: simplified checkers with fog of war.
 
If anyone hasn't seen this yet: youtube.com/watch?v=bZe5J8SVCYQ
 
3:23 PM
I like the challenge, but I don't think I'm creative enough to answer it. :(
I tried doing C/Brain-flak but it's too easily crackable: int main(){int d;scanf("%d",&d);printf("%d",-~d);}
 
@DrMcMoylex I changed the specs a bit
(for languages section)
 
I'm not positive I understand. Are you saying unmodified cracks don't count?
 
@DrMcMoylex Yes
And if the cracked can run in the original language without modification it also doesn't count.
 
Oh, I get it. So lang2 can't crack lang1 if running lang2's code in lang1 (or vice-versa) is also valid?
 
single-character submissions might be interesting
 
3:30 PM
@NathanMerrill indeed
 
@DrMcMoylex exactly
 
so it's also a bit like a programming language quiz
 
@NathanMerrill Unfortunately they can't work because of the language specs
 
Woah. Someone else learned V
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A: This is my pillow

statoxV, 22 bytes 5á\5á/05ä$Y4P5x$p4Ä3äG Try it online Decomposed like this: 5á\ Write 5 \ 5á/ Write 5 / after 0 Go to the beginning of the line 5ä$ Copy the text to the end of the line and repeat it 5 times Y4...

 
3:31 PM
if there are two languages that produce two different OEIS sequences given N characters
or, say, use whitespace as your first language and a single-character language as your second
 
@DrMcMoylex 12.7K on Vi and Vim so I'm not surprised
 
@DrMcMoylex Now you have pressure to make good docs and a good language :p
 
@NathanMerrill I'm not sure what you mean
 
@quartata Yeah, I already know him from over there
 
@WheatWizard in both cases, or just the whitespace one?
 
3:34 PM
Just the whitespace one
I think
 
@Fatalize But, but... I already wanted to make a good language!
 
well, there are lots of languages that only count the number of characters, nothing else
and generate a program that way
 
@DrMcMoylex But now it actually has to be good, which is more pressure (and more motivation too :))
 
so, all you have to do is do an OEIS in that language, then arrange the whitespace so it also works
 
Of course if it's already good then you're set
 
3:35 PM
Are you saying it isn't already good?
 
ninja'd
 
@DrMcMoylex udioica and now statox. I guess your reign is over
 
and since whitespace is a noop in nearly every other language, they are limited to those sequences
 
@NathanMerrill yes that is good.
 
right. Single language programs are going to be powerful, I think
 
3:36 PM
@TuxCopter Udioica hasn't used V that I've seen. Instead he just kicks my ass in vim, lol
Jordan has used V though
 
@DrMcMoylex Guess you have to do something. gg
 
But statox is visibly a real vim wizard
 
But not a vim-golf wizard (yet)
 
3:52 PM
So, since I'm finally done with that code test from a few days ago, I figured I could take a while to watch a bunch of YouTube subscriptions I missed. I definitely wasn't expecting the Blender Foundation to post several dozen videos from a recent conference... :P
 
full_alphabet = "QWERTYUIOPASDFGHJKLZXCVBNMqwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm"
-.-
 
@El'endiaStarman has the company gotten back to you
?
 
@NathanMerrill No, I sent in my response last night.
 
@WheatWizard I feel like you should designate whether "programming languages" are required? Aka, is "cat" allowed?
 
CnR challenge idea -- given two OEIS sequences specified in the challenge, cops must create code A that outputs one of the sequences and, when changed (inserted, deleted, swapped) by X characters, creates code B that produces the other sequence. Cops provide their code A and X, robbers have to come up with B. ... Any immediate thoughts before I sandbox this up?
 
4:01 PM
@NathanMerrill I was following our standard language definitions
 
@TimmyD Sounds kinda familiar
 
@feersum That's what I was thinking, too, but I can't find it under the CnR tag.
 
ok. Thinks are still a bit confusing to me since my most recent meta post. I'd definitely put a link to our programming language definition
 
@DrMcMoylex @NathanMerrill Should I make it so that a solution can be cracked multiple times in different languages?
 
4:03 PM
That may have been cool, but not now that people are working on it
 
there are lots of languages that do the same thing with the same code. Think how many BF variants there are, or the number of programs that can do a simple "cat"
if you cracked it in one of those, you could crack it in other variants
 
@TuxCopter 2lazy4me
 
and all it takes is 1 bad cop submission to give lots of points to a robber
 
@betseg 2spooky4me
 
also, I have a really good idea for a submission, but I can't find a language that works, despite knowing that there is one
 
4:09 PM
Is it just me, or does it seem like there has been a lot more vim-golf recently?
 
a lot more too much :P
 
Pretty sure you can write PowerShell code in Vim. #justsayin
 
@WheatWizard what if my sequence only works for N>=1? is that ok?
 
@NathanMerrill Yes It should be. I never specified so I'll add to my specs to be more clear
 
4:32 PM
@DrMcMoylex There's always room for more esolangs ;)
 
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tuskiomiBuild a learning 20Q bot Twenty Questions is a verbal game where an 'asker' asks you a series of yes or no questions about an object that you're thinking of. If the 'asker' gets the object correct after twenty questions, then the 'asker' wins the game. If the asker does not guess the question r...

 
How do I create a comment in Pyth?
 
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TimmyDChange the Code, Change the Sequence cops-and-robbers sequence code-golf Insert standard Cops-n-Robbers boilerplate Here are two OEIS sequences -- S1, S2 (sequences TBD). Your challenge as a cop is to pick a language, write code A that takes input n and produces S1(n). When that code is modif...

 
@KritixiLithos I don't think you do
 
4:47 PM
That's very helpful
 
@Geobits It's obvious you only timed out the room because you disagree.
 
@mbomb007 No. I could care less about that, but a discussion like that is pointless even for a pointless room. But I'm not dragging it into TNB, and I wouldn't recommend keeping it up here.
 
Why don't you delete the room?
 
Huh. The first chat flag I have actually seen pop up.
 
Where's the flag?
 
4:56 PM
It's already been handled.
It was in the Election 2016 room.
 

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