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1:26 AM

Hi everyone! !!

Is this sentence correct and conveys the intended meaning ? This is : There is alwas a complexcity in a specific context of a language to understand the exact meaning and grammatical uses of the sentences that is talked in a way which tends to be percieved differently by a non native speaker or they think differently comparing to their own language, that's what makes us difficult to learn a language.
But, Natives are unware of this issue.A question may seem to be duplicate of another but sometime it's not quite true.'Op' may have different querries and therfore may ask the similar(not the…

Please tell me

@snailplane Hi @Man_From_India Hi @DamkerngT. Hi

1:47 AM

@yubrajsharma Well, I can understand the sentiment. It's obvious that it's written by a non-native speaker, though.

@DamkerngT. It's me ,author

@yubrajsharma nods -- I guessed so.

How could you write it having a native speaker?

@DamkerngT. nods ?

having? -- That makes me unsure about what you tried to say.

@yubrajsharma We've talked about 'nods', probably yesterday or the day before, remember? :-)

It's wrotten by me

1:59 AM

"How could you write it having a native speaker?" -- Do you mean 'How could I make it more native-like?' or something like that?

Sorry. I've gotten.Because I didn't pay much attention to it

@DamkerngT. Yeah ! That's what I mean!

I've s again used "having"

Hmm... there are too many sentences, and I don't want to address all the issues.

Seeing a lot of red marks is discouraging, don't you think? :-)

There is alwas a complexcity -- First, it's spelled complexity. (Also, it's always, but I think that one is a real typo.) Second, complexity is normally uncountable.

There is alwas a complexcity in a specific context of a language to understand -- It's you, not the complexity, that would want to understand (the exact meaning, etc.)

complexity of a specific context in a language would probably flow better.

I guess that's enough for now. :D

In any case, you succeeded in getting the intended meaning across.

@DThere is always complexity or It's always complexity?

@yubrajsharma Are you in India? If you are, I can help you with the book, if you like.

@DamkerngT. I'm near you !!! India which place please?

2:13 AM

@yubrajsharma I think your last message was meant for Man_From_India!

If you give your address @yubrajsharma, I can send you one copy of the book (don't think I'm a book seller :P) good morning :-)

@DamkerngT. Yeah !! It was for@Man_From_India

@Man_From_India okay!!!

I

@snailplane yes that book is pretty cheap here. I never used that book myself, but if it helps him, it's good.

@Man_From_India It would be kind of you to help me !!!

@yubrajsharma Well, I wouldn't phrase it that way. I wonder how I can fix your first sentence, making as few changes as possible.

2:16 AM

@yubrajsharma u can type ur address here, and then delete the address as soon as I copy it.

> There is alwas a complexcity in a specific context of a language to understand the exact meaning and grammatical uses of the sentences that is talked in a way which tends to be percieved differently by a non native speaker or they think differently comparing to their own language, that's what makes us difficult to learn a language.

@DamkerngT. Please correct my those sentence

That's a very long sentence, and it doesn't hold up well.

Sentences don't talk.

+

@yubrajsharma no issue, but you have to promise me that you would read that book and later read many other books. And learn the language, not only for passing exams.

2:17 AM

@DamkerngT. Now, those sentences are correct and native-like ?

Well, it reminds me of some code I had to debug.

Sometimes rewriting the code from the scratch is much easier.

@Man_From_India I would have to promiss you !!! I would be much benefited by your help !!!

I think @JimReynolds can fix your sentence better than I can. :-)

@DamkerngT. Ok Where is @JimReynolds?

@JimReynolds Hi hi hi !!!!!!

He just came into the room. :-)

2:21 AM

@Man_From_India

Yuo

One hi is enough yubra. I am just waking up.

@JimReynolds could you do me a favour ?

@yubrajsharma Here is a free tip on writing: start with simple sentences.

Try to be like me. I never chat too much.

@yubrajsharma Maybe yes. Maybe no.

2:23 AM

@JimReynolds okey i understand you

@JimReynolds do you think the following sentences correct grammatically and conveys intended meaning:

The sentences are : Is this sentence correct and conveys the intended meaning ? This is : There is alwas a complexcity in a specific context of a language to understand the exact meaning and grammatical uses of the sentences that is talked in a way which tends to be percieved differently by a non native speaker or they think differently comparing to their own language, that's what makes us difficult to learn a language.
But, Natives are unware of this issue.A question may seem to be duplicate of another but sometime it's not quite true.'Op' may have different querries and therfo…

Is this sentence correct and conveys the intended meaning ? This is : There is alwas a complexcity in a specific context of a language to understand the exact meaning and grammatical uses of the sentences that is talked in a way which tends to be percieved differently by a non native speaker or they think differently comparing to their own language, that's what makes us difficult to learn a language.
But, Natives are unware of this issue.A question may seem to be duplicate of another but sometime it's not quite true.'Op' may have different querries and therfore may ask the similar(not the…

Why do you want to know if they are grammatically correct and convey the intended meaning?

@JimReynolds I'm sorry to have posted a bit long sentences but I want to learn from you !!!

What do you want to learn?

@JimReynolds just because I want to know if I have a communication skill in language or not

Why do you want to have communication skills in English?

2:27 AM

@Man_From_India How can I give you my address?

@JimReynolds I'm learning English so

@yubrajsharma you can type in here and as soon as I copy your address, you can delete it.

@JimReynolds

But please do it fast.

My email address ?

You want a hard copy of the book?

I don't have soft copy.

2:30 AM

It would be better if it were pdf

@Man_From_India?

@Man_From_India my email address?

I don't have any pdf :( sorry.

@Man_From_India what do you have then ?

You can search the Internet for any pdf version of the book. You can also visit Scribd.

@yubrajsharma paper-version of that book.

@What version do you have?

How can I view that ?

@DamkerngT. How ?

In a mobile

Um, how what? -- Oh, I see. That was for Man_From_India.

2:33 AM

@Man_From_India how ?

I was going to send a book to you in percel.

@JimReynolds Please do it for me !!!

:33023245 lol this wont help. Anyway, you can try searching for pdf version of that book on Internet.

@Man from india Can i view it in mobile?

If you find a pdf version, you can view.

2:36 AM

@Man_From_India can I downloaded it for free ?

@JimReynolds I think he's busy! !

@yubrajsharma you might. There are some books that are shared for free. In scribd, however, you can only view.

@DamkerngT. Please tell to My concern to @JimReynolds

@yubrajsharma I'm sure he heard you. It looks like he asked you a question but you haven't answered the question yet.

@Man_From_India I'm using mobile now !!

Ok i have to go now. See you later!

2:39 AM

@Man Bye

See you!

> You can say smart, interesting, complicated things using short sentences.
How long is a good idea?
Does it become less good if it’s expressed in two sentences instead of one?

> --Several Short Sentences About Writing, Verlyn Klinkenborg

@yubrajsharma If you want to communicate better in English, just read and listen to things that you can understand, and that are interesting to you.

Read this: goo.gl/yDKXKb

And tell us how much you enjoy it or not, and how easily you can understand it.

@JimReynolds @Jim I'm Learning English to develop communication skill and I need communication skill to read,write and speak in English, it would help me to achieve goal of mastering in English. Please correct my sentences I provided before

@JimReynolds It's Pdf should I download ?

2:56 AM

Why do you want to master English?

Yes. You should download it. Reading a lot on phones is bad for your eyes. Can you afford to buy glasses that filter out "blue light"?

3:22 AM

@JimReynolds ok I'll download it

@Man_From_India Please do me a favour to share this book by downloading pdf vertion because I'm using mobile data

@Man_From_India did you copy my address ?

@Man_From_India I hope you'll send me on my address

@JimReynolds I don't that glasses

@JimReynolds I will keep the important note by writing in my copy

3:42 AM

@JimReynolds I don't have that glasses. I will buy

@JimReynold I'm interested in English so i want to master in it

@I woder @Man_From_India not replying! !!

4:15 AM

@DamkerngT. I have a book of "Longman English Grammar.pdf" of 2.39MB shared by @Mari-LouA"

She had shared it on her answer in my question

@snailplane hi!!!

No one is replying !!!!!

@DamkerngT. I would be greatfull if I am shared this book on my address with pdf vertion.

Bye !!!!!!

4:35 AM

Sorry it was @yuri who shared me that book, Longman English Grammar.pdf

ell.stackexchange.com/questions/105591/… Here he shared

1 hour later…

5:37 AM

@yubrajsharma Please don't ping me (using @) until you read the book I gave you and answer my two questions. If you do, I will block you so I don't see your pings. Then we can try again in five days or so, to see if you can slow down so that you don't bother me too much. If you can slow down, I might like to try to help you with your questions.

winter is here

and in California, it is summer all through October

> Rooms where cell banks are stored should be used in accordance with the standard operating procedures adopted by the company. (I wonder if "adopted" is okay)

"Cell Bank Personnel" or "Cell Bank Staff" (name of a chapter in Regulations)... I like "personnel" because it is closer to Russian personal (персонал)

@JimReynolds I didn't know what ping mean, Now I understood

@Man_From_India hey!

6:00 AM

@yubrajsharma Good! I'll see you in a few days or a week, if you're here.

@CowperKettle Privet, imho, all words are OK

> Only properly qualified personnel who have received instructions on CLB operation is allowed to work with cell banks. (can I write "who have been briefed on"? What about "who have received training" - would "training" always imply hands-on experience? My Russian text says "have been instructed")

@V.V. Good morning, V.V.! Thanks!

Hi, Jim!

Hello v. "imho" v. !!! :D

it is ИМХО in Russian

We sometimes use it as a verb.

6:03 AM

It's very interesting how we choose to qualify or hedge when we give opinions. There are strong cultural differences underlying this, and I think individual differences are wider in some cultures than others.

"Mne imhuyetsya" (it seems to me) - "Мне имхуется"

I'm not insulting you, v.v., to be clear. Just trying to make a friendly joke.

She is slow to answer (0:

@V.V., can you touch-type?

Touch typing (also called touch type or touch keyboarding) is typing without using the sense of sight to find the keys. Specifically, a touch typist will know their location on the keyboard through muscle memory. Touch typing typically involves placing the eight fingers in a horizontal row along the middle of the keyboard (the home row) and having them reach for other keys. Both two-handed touch typing and one-handed touch typing are possible. Frank Edward McGurrin, a court stenographer from Salt Lake City, Utah who taught typing classes, reportedly invented touch typing in 1888. On a standard...

Americans are relatively more likely to use such qualifying language than people of many other cultures. I suspect that the most important factor is how "collectively-oriented" a culture is vs how "individually-oriented".

I have a Microsoft Natural keyboard, the one with separate tilted blocks for left- and right-hand keys.

6:06 AM

In my limited knowledge, Russia is particular interesting, posed as it is at the "East/West" cultural junction!

(0:

@JimReynolds why after few days ? I'm sorry if I bothered you

R. word order is very flexible.

@V.V.'s internet connection works by brown bear courier. The bears carry packets of data in bags from her local ISP provider to a central communications facility in Novosibirsk

zazzle.com.au/…

LOL

6:11 AM

It's not "slow" me. I am waiting for connection to appear

We can criticize that, or we can be impressed with how fast it happens, given the infrastructure.

Novosibirsk is one of the most high-tech cities of Russia

Have you considered writing a threatening letter to Putin, demanding improved service?

I have a job position in a Novosibirsk translation agency, and this agency is quite advanced.

@CowperKettle Haha. I found it by googling "russia large cities"

6:13 AM

Lol

And chose the first one I saw that I had never heard of.

lol

@JimReynolds You never heard of Novosibirsk?

It's a "science city"

@CowperKettle Please. I'm American.

It's very science- and education-oriented. There are math and physics institutes there.

Akademgorodok (Russian: Академгородо́к; IPA: [ɐkəˌdʲemɡərɐˈdok], Academic Town) is a part of the Sovetsky District of the city of Novosibirsk, Russia, located 30 km south of the city center and about 10 km west of the Science town Koltsovo. It is the educational and scientific centre of Siberia. It is surrounded by a birch and pine forest on the shore of the Ob Sea, an artificial reservoir on the river Ob. Formally it is a part of Novosibirsk city, and has never been a closed city. Located within Akademgorodok is Novosibirsk State University, 35 research institutes, medical academy, apartme...

"Academic City"

> The area is sometimes called Silicon Forest.

Yes, Novosibirsk is famous for scientists

6:19 AM

It's like Kharkiv in Ukraine

A science, industry and tech hub

A National Geographic poll of over 500 young Americans, aged 18 to 24, showed that six per cent failed to locate their own country on a map of the world.

I don't much believe in such polls (0:

In the same National Geographic poll, conducted three years after the Iraq War began, only 37 per cent of young Americans could find Iraq on a map of the Middle East.
The same percentage could point out Saudi Arabia.
Only one in four could locate Israel or Iran.
Even among college students, only 23 per cent found all four countries.

They can be quite accurate when performed properly.

I would have trouble finding Saudi Arabia if the map has no borderlines on it

I don't think that was the case here.

6:22 AM

I just looked up - yes, I imagined SA in the wrong place

I wasn't answered here ell.stackexchange.com/questions/106879/…

Anonymous

Someone help me with retagging sentences.

> The training protocols are stored at the company. (can we write it thus to indicate that they should not be stored outside the company premises?)

I don't know why

@snailplane Morning, Snails! Sorry, busy translating..

> The training protocols are stored at the company's premises

This "at the" might be odd

> The employees who have undergone training and received instructions put their signatures in the personnel training log. (can we use "journal" instead of "log"?)

maybe it's also "sign off" or "sign on"

Good morning, Mamad!

Jogging time

6:30 AM

@CowperKettle "at" sounds weird

Breakfast time.

@snailplane I'll donate a little time and energy. Can you give me the simple steps I should take?

Being arrested: formation of passive participle clause
meaning sentence-construction
How the following first(No.1) sentence is formed into passive participle clause:
1. After being arrested, he was taken to the police station.
2. After having been arrested,he was taken to the police station.
I know 'after having+past participle' refers to the completed action before the action of main clause but I don't know about 'after being+past participle'. I think the first with 'being+p.p' is an example of passive participle clause. For example:

I have the rep to do it, but let's start by seeing if I can search for the tag, as a starter.

OK. We are starting by deleting the sentences tag, and thinking about whether we can replace it with one or more tags not there that seem at least partially rational or conceivably useful, if even just in theory!

Anonymous

@JimReynolds Sure. Click on sentences, pick a question, and edit it :-)

Anonymous

Try to find tags that fit.

6:40 AM

Tag me "on that like Oprah on a baked ham"

@snailplane edit closed questions, too?

Anonymous

@JimReynolds Maybe.

Anonymous

In some cases we might want to just delete them.

The tags, you mean. So it might have no tag?

Anonymous

No, the questions.

Anonymous

We don't necessarily want to delete closed questions. The system does that automatically under certain conditions for us, so we don't have to.

Anonymous

6:50 AM

But sometimes, if a question can't be tagged because it's clearly off-topic, so no tags on our site apply to it, then it doesn't really belong on the site to begin with, so it's better to delete than retag.

OK. Is there a tag (we want to use) for "what's more natural/idiomatic"?

ok.

I won't ask a lot more questions. I promise. I can do something that's reasonable somehow, most of the time.

Anonymous

If they're comparing two sentences to ask which sounds better, try sentence-choice.

Anonymous

If they're asking for a more natural way to phrase something, try phrase-request.

Anonymous

Does that help?

yep

A friend in need sometimes doesn't feel like a friend, indeed.

Anonymous

7:08 AM

Some closed questions we keep around on purpose, like duplicates.

Bore me to tears.

Anonymous

@JimReynolds If you start feeling like you're burning out on it, please stop :-)

Anonymous

We're halfway done.

For the next 25 or so, I demand you comment on how CGEL might classify the gramaticalness or standardness of Just ask him has he received the payment

Naw. I'm happy to help out.

Uh, with the expected comma.

Or register, etc.

Anonymous

7:23 AM

I've just unlocked this rejected migration:

Anonymous

4

Q: Paraphrase "Her cooking is not so good."

Let's assume following situation. You've been invited to a dinner by friend of yours. He told you that his wife is a great cook. After you got home, you say (in a private conversation) to your partner: Frankly speaking, her cooking is not so good. This isn't worded well. How could I rephras...

7:38 AM

nice one

Anonymous

It was locked for years.

Anonymous

I wish the system wouldn't do that.

Anonymous

Two thirds done!

@V.V. Bon appetit!

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Shocking. I don't seem to know any word class for that in It's so blah that blech.

It seems to function to connect

7:57 AM

@CowperKettle LOL

@M.A.R. "in the assortment" means "of various sorts (types)" in Russian. Here it is abbreviated to "in ass" in Russian. (0:

Very nice abbreviation

(0:

8:12 AM

@CowperKettle Where MAR finds some of his English phrases

I just saw his production: "Easy as cake" which seems to mix "Easy as pie" with "(it's) a piece of cake." hahahahaaa ahahahhahaaaaa.

O.O

(0:

As easy as pie is a popular colloquial idiom which is used to describe a task or experience as pleasurable and simple. The idiom does not refer to the making of a pie, but rather to the act of consuming a pie ("as easy as eating a pie") which is usually a simple and pleasurable experience. The phrase is often interchanged with piece of cake, which shares the same connotation. == Origin == There are some claims that the phrase originated in the 1920s from the Indigenous New Zealand expression "pie at" or "pie on" from the Maori term "pai" which means "good", but it was used in the Saturday Evening...

I thought it were ".. as a pie"

Why doesn't the poor fellow give up?

@snailplane OK. That's a session for me. Happy to do some more later/next time.

user image

Yekaterinburg skyline

It was probably shot over the(?) Mayakovsky Park, or from the top of a building in the Akademichesky District

user image

I wonder what the sign really says

8:48 AM

> In case of an infectious disease or a skin problem of any kind the employee is suspended from work (until the resolution of the symptoms).

I wonder if this looks okay

is "resolution" equal to "normalization" or "cure"?

the other translator translated closely to the original: "until the normalization of health"

But this is not the way English speakers speak

9:37 AM

> All actions performed during the creation of a master cell bank are documented in online mode in a master cell bank creation record (?)

The Russian word is "route map"

A kind of log where everything is written down

Multitran offers wildly differing translations

I have no idea what phrase an English person would use there.

When a drug production process is being tracked this way, the translation is "batch record" (a batch of a drug is being tracked in a log while it is being produced, packaged, shipped)

Anonymous

@CowperKettle Minced mutton noodles

Anonymous

The tricky word to translate there is 臊子, unfortunately.

10:00 AM

@snailplane thanks!

@snailplane "Sao child", according to Google Translate

Anonymous

@CowperKettle It refers to a dish with a minced meat base. I don't know the details of the food.

Anonymous

But it's marked as dialectal.

Anonymous

ell.stackexchange.com/tags/locative/info

Anonymous

This tag wiki excerpt is nonsense, unfortunately :-(

Anonymous

English has no locative case.

10:03 AM

@snailplane thanks!

10:26 AM

@snailplane Do not pine! Russian also does not have it. It has only vestigial locative postfixes on some nouns.

Do not what

@snailplane Why am I not surprised . . .

oops

must have used a wrong word

> pine: to yearn intensely and persistently especially for something unattainable <they still pined for their lost wealth>

Then this is the perfect word.

Something unattainable. Agreed.

All our chat posts undergo careful revision and approval by Mamad

This is why this chat is so successful.

10:34 AM

Yes, it is +5.05% today on Wall Street

With upward trend predicted till the end of the week

@snailplane I don't mind if my answer was deleted (it was from the time I didn't know that we need to write our answers long), but I can't see why it's off-topic.

> This question appears to be off-topic because it is about OP's exam questions, which he seems to have made no effort to answer himself. – FumbleFingers Jan 10 '14 at 19:08

I don't agree with that idea. I remember that I thought opposite (so I posted my answer). I still think it's not a case of no effort.

I don't know if you had other reasons to delete the question. :-(

@JimReynolds But en.wiktionary.org/wiki/easy_as_cake!

@JimReynolds Maybe the first comment in the classification/analysis will go like "It is not a sentence because it has no period (or full stop). It is a clause and it is likely used in spoken English."

11:01 AM

@DamkerngT. Hi, are you there?

Hi! I'm here, yes.

I'm there. Dam is here.

o/

\o

You mean I should say are you here?

I wrote Moreover, regular expressions can be used to match and extract specific parts of the extracted data. Each part is specified using a pattern inside parentheses in the regular expression.

11:03 AM

@Ahmad Nah, just joking

@Ahmad I think it works either way, in this virtual environment.

lol

@Ahmad How do you extract an extracted piece of data?

Did I put "in the regular expression" in the right place.

@Ahmad Yes, but I'd put it after 'each part'

11:05 AM

@Ahmad I think it's okay. It could be improved a little if you used a regular expression instead in the first sentence.

@M.A.R. It may first extract the whole content of an HTML node, then I try to extract specific parts

Between is specified using and is specified by, I think I like is specified by a little better.

@Ahmad To someone like me who doesn't know RegEx, that sounds a bit weird.

I mean, you're writing an intro, no?

@M.A.R. It's quite a routine task in web scraping. :-)

@M.A.R. Not intro, I use it in a paper, the reader is supposed to be familiar with the context.

11:08 AM

Oh, then I'll pass

I see, now I think my sentence was good! don't know why I decided to ask!!

Double-checking never hurts.

Thanks mates!

And we're a bunch of free, available ELL service staff anyway

Wow! that's great!

11:11 AM

:-)

are you staff? I mean employee?

Imagine a day, a robot do such a work (I mean correction) and speaking in natural langauage in such chat rooms!

@Ahmad No, we're just learners and native speakers helping learners. :-)

@Ahmad It's getting better, but I wonder if they can understand everything soon.

It's not easy. It's not easy, even to us, sometimes. :D

	regexp -expanded {
		([^\n]*)\n\n\s*Unable.to.load.Flash.player..*
		Rating:.(\d.+)\n\n\s*Votes:.(\d+).*
		Date:\n\s*([^\n]+)\n\n\s*Views:\n\s*(\d+).*
		\[\d+\]Thumbnail-\[\d+\]\[(view.php\?id=(\d+)[^\]]*)\].*
		Description\n\n(.*)\n\nRelated.links\n\n(.*)\n\nComments
	} $dump - v(title) v(rating) v(votes) \
		v(date) v(views) v(thumbnail) v(video_id) \
		desc relates

^A real example in my old code.

(for NetBeans TV, which I don't think is still around)

Great! Are you a programmer?

I used to. I guess I still am, especially lately. :D

I should learn all the ancient TV shows and channels from Dam in case any senior citizen pops up.

11:16 AM

What do you do?

@Ahmad Running a small business.

But it's about IT, of course.

@M.A.R. LOL

On a website or an actual ?

BTW, when a market is not a website, what is called? a real one?

@Ahmad My root is back office. I don't run a website at the moment.

11:30 AM

> “You don’t need to be an expert in grammar and syntax
to write well.
But you do need to know the difference between transitive
and intransitive verbs.
Between active and passive constructions.
The relation between a pronoun and its antecedent.
All the parts of speech.
The different verb tenses.
The nature of participles and their role as modifiers.
The subtleties of prepositions — the hardest part of
speech even for native speakers of English.
You need a toolbox of rhetorical devices, like irony, hyperbole,

> --Several Short Sentences About Writing, Verlyn Klinkenborg

> 25 % of the working cell bank remain cryopreserved as back-up (as a backup?) (for backup?)

@CowperKettle For backup

@M.A.R. thanks!

In advantage

Funny my browser crashed when I posted my previous message. Must've been the last straw.

Hmm... as (a) backup is okay with me.

I guess all are possible.

Hmm...

> "I think Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton will be sniping at each other by spring," predicts Valliere.

> (via ell.stackexchange.com/questions/107016/…)

I don't quite get this. Isn't it over by spring?

Oh, I see! It's Warren v. Clinton, not Clinton v. Trump.

12:13 PM

Hi to All

12:31 PM

@yubrajsharma Hi!

12:46 PM

@DamkerngT. Yeah I'm here

Nod

nods" means an act of noding the head" but here everyone is using "nods". nod+s ? Why ?

Because it's quite apt in chat, this chat.

For example, if I write:

yawns

You can read that message as "Damkerng T. yawns." :-)

apt means?

Oh is it just like using nods means someone nods?For example if I wrote "Nods" it means "I nod". Am i correct?

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