without a debugger attached, it doesn't crash with or without a host document opened

0 projects currently open, or 0 projects ever open?

woot

I have a clean exit here

oh crap

no, just a VERY delayed crash

dammit

@Hosch250 "the last straw" ... may I ask about the other factors?

@Vogel612 Purely personal issues. Mostly feeling like it is a take-but-never-give relationship.

asking questions when learning a new language is one of the ways I've found to balance that out

Well, I'm looking to learn F#...

I need to keep working with C#, though, if I'm going to try to get a job in it.

Maybe I should write a Universal chess game integrating Stockfish.

Or maybe I could write an app for Lichess, or whatever...

That would be kind of cool, and I'd learn a lot about managing remembering passwords safely (I think I can offload that to Windows), networking, and such.

BTW, one thing I've noticed is that when working with UIs, it is best to use OOP, not FP.

You can't really just create windows all the time, or change the view model every other second very cleanly.

hmm... yeap. That's why haskell uses Monads for UI

@comintern have you used this andreybazhan.com/pe-internals.html ?

it's probably the closest that FP has to "objects"

@Comintern without a debugger attached I consistently get a clean exit when there's no workbook left in Excel when I x-out of Excel

I think we have something like a 2.0.9 on the way here

I still haven't been able to wrap my brain around the concept of monads.

@ThunderFrame either way

@Hosch250 TBH neither have I

I know I'm supposed to use them when there's state and when there's IO

If I was going to use F# for a UI, I'd write the UI in OOP style and the "model" as a sort of package exposing an API.

Then, I could do the UI in either F# or C#, whichever I preferred or felt cleaner.

the perks of working on .NET :)

@Mat'sMug So we have a closing projects problem, and NOT a killing VBE problem?

Yeah, more or less.

hey gang

sup @Mat'sMug

@ThunderFrame - I have enough symbols for the function names, it's just that the structures are all at the end of pointers from registers. It's mainly a process of finding the correct register, then pulling the memory from the pointer and mapping it back to the struct.

@ThunderFrame looks like it. or rather, a proper tear down with registered sinks and handlers problem

hi @Jelly

check this out: stackoverflow.com/questions/39511528/exposing-net-events-to-com @Mat'sMug

maybe this would help you with the null event bug in rd?

sup @Comintern

Not much - day off to have my sewer line reamed out. It stinks (literally).

@Comintern What's a server line?

lol

hahaha

I wish it was a server line. Glad it's not a sever line.

Oh.

if it stinks it means its working

No, it means it isn't.

oh

ok

The stink is supposed to vented out the vents. You probably have a clogged vent somewhere, or a clogged line maybe.

@Jelly for now I'm on another area, but feel free to peek at this and PR if you figure it out! for now I've fav'd your question and bookmarked under my \Rubberduck folder :)

I had some roots in the line. I was on the roof checking the vents yesterday. Fun stuff...

Ah. We cut down a clump of birches to prevent that a few years back.

you have one of those sloopy roofs, right?

You will probably have to cut down the plants and replace the lines.

Basically, that means the sewer lines are broken and are probably leaking stuff all over the place.

Eventually I'll get the main line replaced. I've already gotten rid of the majority of the volunteer trees. They let the place go before I bought it.

@Jelly Most roofs in the US are slopey, but some are more so than others. We have a gentle slope, but one of our neighbors has a steeper one.

I just had them scope the line - it didn't look too bad. No breaks, but a couple of places where the clay joints had some small offsets.

those roofs can be dangerous @Hosch250

@Jelly It's a 1:1 pitch (45 degrees).

We are having a big project in our neighborhood to get the entire city off septic and onto city sewer.

Luckily I was a remodelling contractor in a previous life, so I have all the equipment. Roofing brackets, etc. It really isn't bad.

@Comintern Ours is probably 30 degrees. Our neighbor's (a roofer, actually) is probably close to 60 degrees.

we have some old french buildings from the 1800s and they have those sloopy roofs

@Comintern Hey, I'd just walk the 45 degrees. It isn't as steep as some hills I've climbed on.

Just be sure to catch me if I fall off ;)

There's a positive correlation between average roof pitch and average snowfall.

snow must look nice

i have never seen it

@Jelly How'd you like a mansard roof? The local nursing home has one of those. Very steep--almost vertical.

@Jelly Depends.

Before insulation in attics was common the goal was to let about 6 inches of snow accumulate on the roof - it actually insulates in the winter. Too much snow is bad structurally - too little is bad because it lets heat dump out.

Sometimes it is breath-takingly beautiful. Usually it is a muddy gray.

^^^

It looks worse on a shovel no matter what the color...

@Comintern You know, one of the wayside rests in the area doesn't have proper insulation (if any).

It is a one-story building, and in the winter, it gets icicles all the way to the ground.

@Hosch250 i had to google that to know what it means lol they look nice but from the building material the rooms can be hot in the summer

how hot does it get in the summer?

@Comintern What about the heaps of snow-plow snow at the end of the driveway that get so high you can't see to back out?

@Jelly We typically have a week or two of 100+ degree weather. This year, it was only a couple days.

We used fertilizer to melt the ice one year, and it looked like there had been a mass murder on our snowbanks.

@Hosch250 i think that snow pretty much like anything is nice when its in moderate fall too much of anything is not good

well thats fairly hot

@Jelly Well, the more the better, actually.

@Jelly Yeah.

If we don't keep getting more, our yard becomes slippery just from the sheer amount of traffic on it compacting the snow.

thats fairly hot

Then, when you get just a dusting of snow, it can be pretty hard to not fall.

It's really fun in the spring when it melts, then refreezes.

hm

im sick of the heat

i'd have snow any day lol

back in 2013, i had interned at an oil rig deep in the sahara

temps reached 120 at 9am

One of the scariest moments in my life was when I leapt off a snowbank into the icy cement kennel by our back door. I remembered about the ice just as I jumped and was afraid I'd end up knocked out or with some broken bones (or both) if I fell backward.

Very nasting

@Jelly Now that's hot.

yes

@Comintern that tool was meant for general use, not just debugging current problem.

i personally think cold is better than hot

@Hosch250

Turns out I kept my balance (don't ask me how!) until I slammed into the fence on the other side and was able to grab on.

@Jelly Oh, maybe. I have a hard time with the winter.

shit

i'd like to try the north

in the near future

I have a tendency to get depressed because I can't get enough sunlight. Apparently Vitamin D is important for that.

lol

sun

It gets really bad during February and March.

alright, let me tell something about the heat from someone we'd live their life in +100 weather. Heat is very annoying. You can't beat it. Cold however requires less preparation.

You sure? ;)

You can't really work when you're sweating plus the AC is not heathy eaiser

@Comintern Yeah, I really, really, really hope I have a window at my work.

would you like to switch positions?

Not an option, I'm afraid.

Life is about experiences.

lol

We get the worst of both worlds here - 100 degree summers and -10 degree winters.

Hm

Where you at?

Yeah, that is a pain to work in. On the other hand, I prefer to physically work in the heat than the cold. Cold makes my muscles lock up.

I'm in Nebraska.

Heartland

@Comintern We usually get to -20 for a while, and on the river, the wind chill can get close to -100.

Beautiful place.

I'm in Minnesota.

How's the humidity there? You haven't felt heat until you have 100F and 90% humidity.

I was born in Minnesota.

Pretty bad. All these lakes and stuff.

its about 40

Especially before thunderstorms.

%

oh spare me 90%!!!!

do you breath with oxygen masks?

I'm in Quebec, and I have no idea what all these Farenheit units feel like.

LOL.

It's like walking around in a sauna.

@Mat'sMug tell me about Mr. Google is helping me lool

Let's just say 100 degrees = hot. 0 degrees = cold.

30-70 is livable.

@Mat'sMug Of course not. It's only 37 degrees there when it's 100 here. More is worse, right?

lol

guys

i love this photo

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russia's reaction makes me howl with laughter

f don't make sense let alone inches

LOL, up here in MN isn't much better than the parts of Canada that are most inhabited.

When I was coaching debate I used to go to Atlanta every winter. It's hilarious watching the entire city shut down after half an inch (12.6mm) of snow.

Yeah, that's a scream to hear about in the news.

We don't even plow until there are 3+ inches.

If I can clear my car with the freak'n windshield wipers, I don't even call it a snowfall event.

interesting

@Comintern exactly!!

has anyone lived a heatwave that is so hot that walking you feel like someone's following you with a hair dryer blowing hot air ib your face

Well, I haven't been blown by a hair dryer, so I wouldn't know.

On the other hand, it has been so hot we aren't (weren't) allowed to play outside.

hm

Are you 5?

No, over 20.

aren't allowed to play outside?

lol

it was a joke

That was back when I was in my teens.

I know.

Pheonix in the summer is pretty close - but 110F\43C is nothing if the air is dry.

no no no

If you really want to experience miserable hot, try blowing insulation into an attic in the middle of the summer.

43C is always hot my friend

Yeah, that's so hot you grow an exoskeleton from dried salt.

i wonder if human beings 1000 years from now would look at this conversation and giggle at us

They'd probably say "things don't change."

world heat record last year some 74c somewhere in iran

Hot, yes. But sweating does something for you when it can evaporate. When the humidity is 80-90% it's more like wrapping yourself in a wet blanket.

I'm sure it's partly because we are monitoring the temperature more now than we used to.

And with more accurate instruments.

Either that or the people measuring higher temps died of heat exhaustion...

LOL.

@Jelly 74 C?????? that's 26 degrees short of boiling water!

a trick my grandfather a desert shepherd taught me that men walked the desert wearing blankets in the hotest weather you can imagine

@Jelly Yep, I've heard it can keep the heat out.

@Mat'sMug yes i know

@Hosch250

moisture

Keep the blankets wet?

if you lose it your body dries

Back when my dad was in the military, they would put green leaves in their hat to keep moist.

the blankets will keep any moisture in ... while its stinking hot, the body loses moisture slower

OK, I finally caught a better stack trace. Early crash is apparently better for that:

>	mscorlib.ni.dll!70010aa0()	Unknown
 	[Frames below may be incorrect and/or missing, native debugger attempting to walk managed call stack]
 	[Managed to Native Transition]
 	Microsoft.Vbe.Interop.dll!Microsoft.Vbe.Interop._dispReferences_Events_EventProvider.Finalize()	Unknown
 	[Native to Managed Transition]
 	[External Code]

Are you in the general area of the WWII battles? Have they got those mines cleaned up yet?

It is an event handler.

are those military helmets bullet proof?

@Mat'sMug: how much sun do you get in quebec?

Depends on the size of the bullet.

it really depends

@Comintern ReferencesEvents - that's handled by a "Safe" wrapper now

depends...

@Jelly They help, but they probably won't stop a direct rifle bullet.

yup

They will stop a glancing blow.

Oooooh... I got a .NET error event too:

Application: EXCEL.EXE Framework Version: v4.0.30319 Description: The process was terminated due to an internal error in the .NET Runtime at IP 708C5D81 (707E0000) with exit code 80131506.

WTH could be throwing the the Finalizer?

something I did wrong here perhaps? github.com/rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck/blob/next/…

If I'm interpreting that correctly, it's throwing from inside the RCW.

gah, the events are never -='d

Where are you unsubscribing from the handlers?

nowhere

forgot to

Release would be a good place for that I guess

TTQW

@Hosch250: helmets are cool

@Comintern could it be that stupid a bug?

@Mat'sMug Fingers crossed.

Driving.. will keep toes crossed till I get home

boy those toes must be long

CommandBarButton is hanging onto comObject_Click too.

@Comintern hmm that's going to be a notch trickier

How is that different than the References?

Hmm if we're lucky it might "just work", but IIRC the items are created+initialized in ParentMenuItemBase and it's not clear what happens to the objects.. depends if they can be retrieved from the CommandBars at teardown

@Comintern does it "just work"?

I actually haven't tried anything yet. I'm about an hour into a 4 hour bleach bombing in my basement ATM. Stupid pipes.

lol

I'll look at it after the kids are in bed then :-)

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