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4:02 PM
@DJMcMayhem I try to post verbose explanations on all my answers, so that someone familiar with programming but not with PowerShell can still follow along with what's happening. I'm sure that I've gotten better in my explanation skills in the past year.
 
@TimmyD How did you get this in plain text?
My results are... pretty strange
 
@Shebang TetrOS.
 
@Shebang Hey! Haven't seen you in a while
 
@quartata The checkbox that says "Plain text output"
 
Oh woops
 
4:13 PM
Or "text output" or something
 
Language      AnswerCount TotalScore
------------- ----------- ----------
cinnamon      9           31
perl          7           24
rotor         7           26
groovy        6           9
05ab1e        5           22
pl            5           16
stuck         5           30
ruby          4           10
jolf          4           16
cjam          4           16
bash          3           50
bubblegum     3           12
jelly         3           38
matl          3           29
pyth          3           13
I'm just all over the place
 
Damn
 
> desmos 1 43
Right tool for the job, eh?
 
You could say that...
 
> enema
 
4:14 PM
@DJMcMayhem Yeah....
 
O_O
 
@DJMcMayhem That's an actual esolang
 
But why???
 
It was for the "destroy your own language" pop-con:
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A: Make your language unusable

quartataEnema :OQ::!Q: Code can come any place after this. This language is similar to Emmental in that it is capable of redefining itself. Essentially, what we're doing here is redefining O (which normally is for output) to do nothing (thus making the language no longer have a transformational model...

 
+1 for the hilarious language name
 
4:19 PM
@quartata hi :)
Yeah, been some time
 
0
Q: Retrieve all possible numbers that can be placed in a sudoku grid

Beautiful ChaosGiven a sudoku puzzle, find all possible numbers that can be filled into each empty cell within the puzzle. The input is a three-dimensional array containing the row, column and cell value respectively. The result is to be in the form of a four-dimensional array containing the row, column, cell a...

 
The "language" with the highest average score is "double" with a whopping average of 428.5 across two questions. On closer inspection though it turns out it gets almost all its points from an answer given in "double brainfuck" and then gets nine points from from a tips answer suggesting that you "Double check your character count"
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hahahahahaha
Wow, that got 7 stars in like 2 minutes.
 
this is awesome
 
Guys help my webserver is returning 418 status
 
4:33 PM
@Syxer Obviously time for a cuppa.
 
google just rekking apple
"3.5 mm headphone jack satisfyingly not new"
Also they used apples "out of storage" dialog to contrast with their unlimited google photos
 
@Maltysen OHHHHH
@TimmyD ;-;
Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 418 (I'm a teapot)
 
5:29 PM
@Downgoat youtube.com/watch?v=ign2GmVEflw Google likes gaots?
 
0
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

NonlinearFruit[master list] Natural Pi #2 - Sand Goal Simulation What are we simulating? Buffon's needle. Smooth out the sand in your sandbox, draw a set of equally spaced parallel lines (call the distance in between t). Take a straight stick of length l and drop it N times into the sandbox. Let the number...

 
5:44 PM
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Samsung has really outdone themselves with the storage in the S7. Or at least Windows thinks so.
 
Wow. How much did that model cost?
 
@Geobits 4, maybe 5.
 
thousand?
 
@mınxomaτ and you used 800 TB already?
 
Though I would like to know what takes up .8 PB on my phone.
 
5:46 PM
2 pb free of 3 eb
wat
 
Probably Chrome's swapfile.
 
rofl
 
Yeah, it's not 0.8 PB used, it's almost all of the 3 EB
 
oh wait yeah o_O
 
I can only imagine what the seek times are on that thing >_>
 
5:47 PM
@MartianCactus hi!
 
Interesting. Now it says I have an S7 Edge (not S7), which I didn't know. It also claims that I have no storage.
 
That's technically closer than the amount it was saying before. It's zeroing in ;)
 
Also, why 3 EB? Is this the limit of the android file system? FAT9001?
 
No idea on that one.
 
if its samsung its f2fs or ext4
f2fs' limit is 4 tb, ext4 limit is 1 eb
 
5:51 PM
It's more than both of them.
 
Turns out this rant doesn't fit in this message box: Complaint about Big Brother
You can use Find + Replace to turn it into a rant about USB storage devices.
 
-1 no word wrap :/
 
Or Chrome's swapfile.
 
@Geobits Well, we at least now have a lower and upper bound. For mathematics, that's good enough.
 
5:52 PM
Ninja'd. :-(
 
I'm not sure if the full-width wrap is better or worse than scroll bars, tbh :P
@TimmyD Yep. Somewhere between 0 and 3 EB.
 
should a ssd's filesystem be ext4 or f2fs
 
@betseg fat16 ftw
 
;_;
i mean, f2fs is the flash friendly file system
 
@wizzwizz4 na, fat12 iz butter!
 
5:56 PM
does anyone know if these sites are legit?: last-minute-essay.com
 
@Maltysen Probably :-(
 
Dennis fulfilled an indefinite bounty of mine. Should I delete the bounty or add some text that says it has been filled and link to the solution?
 
> SPECIAL OFFER FOR CLIENTS FROM TURKEY !
420% legit
 
@Maltysen for sure
 
Say goodbye to legit Academia...
 
5:59 PM
@WheatWizard I'd probably go with the latter, but either one is fine
 
@WheatWizard I'd do both.
 
@MartinEnder Can I undelete the answer if I want to reopen the bounty when I have more rep?
 
@betseg I got "SPECIAL OFFER FOR CLIENTS FROM COUNTRY_NAME !"... -.(0.0).-
The timer running out doesn't stop you from submitting...
 
Lol
 
6:13 PM
3
Q: Smallest Hamming distance to a palindrome containing a substring

Camil StapsThis was inspired by a now removed CS.SE question. Task Given two non-empty input strings A and B, output the smallest distance from A to a palindrome that contains B as a substring. Distance is defined by the number of character replacements (Hamming distance). Restrictions Sensible input: ...

 
I wonder how they'd react to being given a premium number with a ~$20 connection charge and >$8 per minute?
 
To Googly fanboys a Google thing happened today: youtu.be/q4y0KOeXViI (though someone probably already mentioned it)
 
It's like the previous year's
The guy reads everything
 
@HelkaHomba i'm gonna get the pixel
 
Probably won't be released in Turkey ;_;
 
6:22 PM
No problem. Just have it shipped to me and I'll pass it along. I definitely won't forget to mail it out to you >_>
 
the design looks kinda shitty, especially compared to the nexus 5, but the actual specs are nice
 
Oh wow. I just now looked. They look very iPhoney at first glance.
 
Btw
128 gb xl one is out of stocks ;_;
 
@betseg it looks available for me?
the blue one is only available if you're buying from verizon btw
 
I used vpn + google store
 
6:27 PM
XL is too big for my pocket anyway. Nexus 5 is just right, and it looks like the regular Pixel is the same size.
 
@Geobits but no matte finish... :/
 
Yeah... I really like the grippy matte on my Nexus :/
 
@Maltysen Matte finishes are great! They stop the sun shining into your eyes when you leave your basement hideaway to go to work!
 
My s5 is smaller than my pocket
 
@wizzwizz4 Not matte on the screen, matte on the rest of the case. It's basically impossible to drop.
 
6:29 PM
@Geobits Aw... Matte screens are the best...
 
I've had matte screens, and I like them on some things, but not really on a phone. I like it on my kindle and laptop though.
@betseg Yeah, the s5 is about the same size as the Nexus 5.
 
@wizzwizz4 "Academia.SE" is more like "Advice.SE" right now.
 
@Geobits iPhony?
 
@Geobits I like big phones, though. Not too big, but not too small either.
 
@TheBitByte I like it as big as can comfortably fit in my pocket ;)
 
6:33 PM
@Geobits Then upgrade to a Bigger Pocket™ /s
 
@TimmyD As in, I'd have to look twice to see what kind of phone it is. Once you actually look at it you can see the differences, but that white one in particular...
 
I actually like exactly 5.5". Pixel XL's size is too right.
 
Meanwhile, I'm sitting here on my crappy s4 mini
 
@betseg Too right would be a bend-gate. :D
 
@Geobits 'twas a pun, off of phony as in fraudulent.
 
6:34 PM
Damn. I thought it might be, but went with the serious answer this time. You win this round :D
 
:D
@Geobits I really dislike the Galaxy S6 I have for work for this exact reason. The back is so ridiculously slippery, it's practically impossible to use one-handed.
 
@Geobits This round? That's old school. Upgrade to This Round Pro Plus™, with three year warranty! :D
 
@Maltysen Cooool, but old neeeeews. /s
 
What? I missed that.
 
6:37 PM
@Maltysen Is that a regular case, or a pop-off back cover? I don't like cases, but I'd think about a cover swap.
 
@Maltysen this is about a year old
 
It isn't a year old for the Pixel :P
 
@Geobits I think its a really thin case
 
Meh
 
i dont like cases either but this looks kinda cool
expensive tho
 
6:38 PM
Same and same and same
 
@betseg ._.
 
Their vr headset is "soft and cozy"
 
And the 3.5 mm headphone jack is satisfyingly not new ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
the pixel has the resolution of a low end desktop monitor...
 
But... 5 inch?
 
6:53 PM
@betseg ooc quote of the day
3
 
I love oocqotd so much
 
;_;
5 inch is too small
i don't like my s5
 
... I just came here to post that ...
 
@betseg xl is 5.5 inch has even better dpi
 
because qhd
 
7:30 PM
> You give up, and have Jon Skeet rescue the princess for you
Hahaha
 
Thank you @Geobits, but your stars are in another castle.
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next time I'll get that right with fewer pings...
 
Edit it a couple more times. I don't think you pinged him enough.
 
Well you got my dog's attention, so that's good :P
 
8:05 PM
Oh man, I'm 11 views away from a gold badge...
 
I was one away this summer before a company trip abroad made me forget the last day...
 
I think you're talking about different kinds of views ;)
 
Ah, he meant the question :)
 
Yup. :)
 
@MartinEnder All views is good views ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
8:09 PM
Now I'm obsessively refreshing, haha
Boom, there it is. 10,000. \o/
 
8:25 PM
I SWEAR IT WAS LIKE THIS WHEN I GOT HERE
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Oddly formatted.
 
Woah the feed is different
 
Oh, the Q is deleted.
 
8:43 PM
With a considerable amount of help from Martin, I think I made the spec less mathy and easier to understand. Any additional feedback?
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

DennisHyper about quines code-challenge quine code-generation source-layout busy-beaver Inspired by Hyperprogramming: N+N, N×N, N^N all in one. Definitions Hyperquines Define a hyperquine of order n as a quine-like full program or function P that satisfies all rules that apply to proper quines an...

 
@mınxomaτ ಠ_ಠ
 
@Dennis is QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ allowed
 
@DJMcMayhem I was about to congratulate you on surpassing 10K but then I realize you already have and so now I'm just confused
 
@betseg No. Quine built-ins don't qualify as a true quine.
 
;_;
 
8:45 PM
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Q: What counts as a proper quine?

AJMansfieldThe basic definition of a quine is a program that, when run, produces its own source code as output. There are a number of techniques and a number of way to implement those techniques across a number of different languages. However, not all quine programs are equal. Clearly, any quine in HQ9+ or...

 
@betseg No. That would square the amount of characters rather than incrementing it in each group. It's also not a proper quine.
 
@Dennis where do infinite chains play in?
 
The goal is creating the longest chain. An infinite chain is longer than any finite one.
 
@Downgoat hahaha, it was 10k views on a challenge
 
Ah ok
 
8:53 PM
Speaking of badges, the Dennis numbers 2.0 got me a golden one for the original Dennis numbers challenge. :)
 
i guess being in chat doesn't count toward the 100 consecutive days badge... :[
hadn't really thought about it until now
owell
 
5
Q: Generate binary matrices which are distinct up to reflections

spraffHere are all the 2x2 binary matrices #0 #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6 #7 #8 #9 #10 #11 #12 #13 #14 #15 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 00 00 00 00 01 01 01 01 10 10 10 10 11 11 11 11 00 01 10 11 00 01 10 11 00 01 10 11 00 01 10 11 ...

 
@Dennis oh, populist? Nice. I got populist once but it didn't count cause it was my own challenge. ;_;
 
9:21 PM
 
@Dennis "If the source code aabbcc generates the output aaaabbbbcccc, the program is a hyperquine of order 1." Is it worth adding a sentence like "(Six groups of 1 character generating output made up of six groups of 2 characters.)"? It's already clear, but the extra sentence might help for people like me who need to read the obvious twice before it becomes so...
 
@DJMcMayhem Yeah. The accepted answer finally got yhe last vote it needed. I can't find any information that indicates that you cannot get it for your own question. Do you remember which one it was?
@trichoplax Yeah, that's probably worth adding.
Martin has 8 Populist badges. O.O
 
@Dennis it was this answer:
26
A: Expand a C array

DJMcMayhemVim, 54, 52, 49 47 keystrokes 2wa0<esc>qqYp<c-a>6ldf @qq@q$dT]dd:%norm dwf{xwC;<CR>gg"0P Explanation: 2wa0<esc> 'Move 2 words forward, and insert a 0. qq 'Start recording in register Q Yp 'Duplicate the line ...

I looked it up on mother meta, and it doesn't count for your own question
 
@Dennis that's so much more than 6 :P
 
It's like 2 more. :P
 
9:30 PM
approximately
actually, I've only got 7
 
I only have one that they refuse to give to me. :(
 
I think there's two or three where I'm only an accept or an upvote (on the accepted answer's part) away from it (but I think Dennis has those as well)
 
@MartinEnder Whoops, I counted a Martinho.
 
@Maltysen If there are more than one infinite chains, the one that starts with the shortest source code wins
 
@MartinEnder Yup. (Did you hear that, Sp3000? :P) There's also a challenge where I'd just have to downvote the accepted answer to get Populist. >:U
 
9:36 PM
BTW @MartinEnder Thanks for your awesome polyglot! It made my challenge stay popular for a long time which got me a gold badge a new all-time highest scoring post. :D
 
@Dennis "If two or more submissions are tied, the submission among these that starts with the shortest hyperquine (measured in characters) wins." Is this characters rather than bytes? Is the intention that multi-byte characters count as one, or just to clarify that the length is not measured in groups or group lengths?
 
@DJMcMayhem thanks for giving it so much exposure ;) (it almost got me gold as well)
 
It's characters, not bytes. Seems more natural for quines.
 
@Dennis I've done that before, haha
:P
 
@Dennis why is that?
 
9:37 PM
@Dennis I initially wondered if that made possible a loop hole with a huge character set, but I can't actually think how it would work
 
"loop whole"
took me a second to parse that
 
@Maltysen My apologies. I should have tested it by trying to parse it myself before submitting it...
 
@MartinEnder It actually didn't get that much exposure. The reddit post got it less than 300 views (since I didn't get the silver badge for sharing a link)
 
@MartinEnder Because for all intents and purposes, the characters in the quine are atoms. Not set in stone though. Do you think I should change it?
 
I wouldn't say so for general quines, but I think in your challenge it actually makes sense because you've also defined your hyperquines in terms of runs of characters
 
9:41 PM
Hello!
 
Hiya!
 
I suppose the runs have to be in characters otherwise any language using a multi-byte character set wouldn't be able to increment by 1.
 
that depends on your multi-byte encoding, but yes it would get very messy :D
 
also, in quines if you encode extra information per character, that also means you need to output more information, so it kinda balances out any cheating
 
Is there any loop hole with a language that reads a multi-byte character as individual bytes of source code? I don't know of one, but I'm way out of my depth here...
 
9:44 PM
@Maltysen not really, because you'd likely do the encoding in the part that you replicate for free anyway
 
@trichoplax I've edited that part. Is it clearer now?
 
@trichoplax if it did, wouldn't that just mean that the language uses a single-byte encoding?
(and you gave it a weird file)
it doesn't seem to allow any abuse, and if someone actually managed to build a polyglot based on that, I'd be very impressed and would definitely upvote it :)
 
@MartinEnder As long as someone displaying it as multi-byte source code would have it declared invalid. I guess that doesn't need to be said explicitly? I'm just scraping the bottom of the barrel of possible problems
 
@DJMcMayhem Yeah, but if we're talking about the same question here, both accepted and best-scoring answer belonged to the same user. :P I guess I'll just have to get more upvotes.
 
@trichoplax sorry I'm not following
 
9:49 PM
@trichoplax Uh, so something like an ASCII answer that claims it's using UTF-32? Hm... Also, I must admit that I didn't even consider non-character based languages.
 
@Dennis I think it was clear already - it just made me wonder about the intention behind it in case there was a loophole. I can't compare with the previous wording without scrolling back because the latest edit doesn't show in the edit history for some reason - never seen that before
 
Aliens Caching.
 
@MartinEnder That probably has something to do with the fact I don't know what I'm talking about... I meant something like displaying chinese characters in the answer, but passing it to the interpreter as bytes.
It might allow something like abcd -> ababcdcd to count as an order 1 hyperquine
 
Wouldn't hurt to mention explicitly that this isn't allowed. We don't have well-understood defaults for scoring characters.
> You must use the same character encoding for source code output, character count, and execution. For example, the Python program print 42 is not a 2-character UTF-32 submission, since the interpreter treats each byte as a single character. If your language of choice is not character-based, treat all individual bytes as characters.
@trichoplax That's what you meant, yes?
 
10:05 PM
Yes that covers what I had in mind.
I can't see a way around that other than writing an interpreter specially for the purpose of getting around it, which would post date the challenge so wouldn't matter
 
OK, if there are no more concerns, I'll go live.
Dying to see what y'all come up with.
Here goes nothing.
 
This is something I made today:
396 bytes to make a Hello World program
 
> bill nye the science guy, bill bill bill bill bill bill bill!
 
lol
 
>_<
 
10:19 PM
hold on, i almost finished it's documentation
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a room freezes after 12 days of inactivity, right?
 
14, me thinks.
Depending on the room.
 
Oh. Well that explains it
 
there we go, the repo's readme now has the documentation
also an example hello world program :P
 
2
Q: Hyper about quines

DennisInspired by Hyperprogramming: N+N, N×N, N^N all in one. Thanks to @MartinEnder and @trichoplax for their help in the sandbox. Definitions Hyperquines Define a hyperquine of order n as a quine-like full program or function P that satisfies all rules that apply to proper quines and, in addition...

 
10:25 PM
aww i gtg
more commands will be added later ;)
 
Aww, is github down for anyone else?
Whoops, nvmd.
 
@ConorO'Brien Your number regex post has a new comment, pls read?
 
@Dennis do the js f=()->"f="+f type quines count?
 
they usually count
bwt its => intsead of ->
 
10:41 PM
Wait how long is the BF quine?
 
@Maltysen Good question. That comes dangerously close to reading your own source code.
Do we have any meta discussion regarding this?
 
iirc that's valid as a normal quine
 
@Maltysen OK, there seems to be a lot of submissions in other challenges that do this. I guess it's valid then. (That said, I'd be incredibly surprised if there's a valid JS answer.)
 
AHHHH PHP WHY ARE YOU SO WEIRD WTH IS CONCATENATION DONE WITH "." ?!!
also, why did these people have to use php...
 
10:50 PM
That's what vimscript does too
 
@Maltysen Won't work, = turns into == even if it works
 
@Maltysen perl does that too IIRC
PHP is inspired by perl
 
I usually applaud a language that uses different symbols for addition and concatenation, but I'll make an exception for PHP.
Also, Perl is typeless, so it has to.
 
is there a formal way of saying "SCREAMING_SNAKE_CASE"?
Homework question is:
> How is a symbolic constant named?
 
@Downgoat Constant case?
 
10:57 PM
Are you taking a python class? o_O
 
oh no, a java class
i would never take a snek class :P
@ASCII-only too late
 
Hmm, just say in all-caps with underscores between words
 
1 min ago, by Downgoat
@ASCII-only too late
my eraser is borked anyway
 
@Dennis .= is sooooo confusing
 
that's almost local assignment in J
 
11:00 PM
super hard to google for
 
@Maltysen More confusing than "1"+1 returning "11"?
 
@Dennis that's not that confusing.
neither is .=
 
No, not at all. >_>
 
@Dennis Java does that too...
 
11:02 PM
it's just the semantics of the language that one isn't accustomed to that make it "confusing"
 
@Downgoat I don't believe you.
 
@Dennis I just tested it out, can confirm
 
it's actually the reccomended way to cast to string
 
WTF
 
11:03 PM
Sep 29 at 16:08, by Dennis
Ideone is currently vulnerable to XXS! Until this is fixed, I suggest avoiding Ideone links from untrusted sources and opening all other Ideone links that are not your own in an Incognito window.
 
Stupid java*
 
is this still valid?
 
@ConorO'Brien So you never thought your variable held a number (but it was actually a string) and got completely wrong results?
 
@Maltysen This is from Perl. "2" + "2" = 4, but "2" . "2" = "22"
@DJMcMayhem I actually prefer this
 
10 mins ago, by Downgoat
@Maltysen perl does that too IIRC
ninja'd :P
 
11:04 PM
@Dennis no, actually.
I know what my variables are.
 
It's actually a really good thing.
 
@Dennis solution: use babel :D :P
 
Things would super bork otherwise since numerals can sometimes be internally represented as strings
 
@Downgoat WAT? true + 1 is a type error, but "1" + 1 isn't???
 
23 hours ago, by DJMcMayhem
@Downgoat https://hackernoon.com/how-it-feels-to-learn-javascript-in-2016-d3a717dd577f#.dx‌​s9z5ve6
 
11:05 PM
@quartata as funny as that was, there is such a thing as overposting
 
@quartata Okay well to be fair I'm creating an app to fix that problem
 
@ConorO'Brien This was the first time I've posted it
@Downgoat I'd like to see that.
 
@Dennis and people say Java is a sane language...
 
@quartata in general
 
@quartata k sure
 
11:05 PM
I'm not sure how you'd fix it though, since you can't extend JavaScript to add the things Babel needs
 
chat moved, sorry for the extra ping
 
@quartata well you can always use custom script lang
 
@Downgoat In my defense, I never did. :P
 
and then just add the <script src="bath/to/babel">
 
Bath?
 
11:11 PM
yes
you must clean the script before you can use it
otherwise it might clog up your computer
 
> Most people know about Amazon "Prime," but they don't know Amazon's went public in '97, which is a prime number. Write out the full year as 1997, and it's still a prime number. Specifically, the IPO was on May 15, 1997. 5,151,997 (5/15/1997) is also prime. For you non-Americans, 15/5/1997 and 15/05/1997 create two more prime numbers 1,551,997 and 15,051,997.
10/10
 
9/10, -1 for wrong use of "American".
 
wait there are people not in murica???
 
:O mods can give custom rep amounts for upvotes? :P
 
I feel dumb now.
 
11:16 PM
11/10 That would be the best mod abuse ever.
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ surely world is 99% america and 1% those russians who couldn't land on moon :P
 
wait wat didn't we nuke them
 
I think Joshua did that one time.
 
@Dennis I forgot to ask before you went live, but I don't understand how applies
Just reading through the busy beaver tag wiki again to make sure I get it
 
11:20 PM
sorry
 
@trichoplax I thought longest chain fit the tag, but after re-reading the description, it seems to apply only to single programs.
 
@trichoplax It definitely rules out infinite chains. I'll remove it.
 
11:42 PM
@Geobits i thought he dumped ^^ on their heads and squished them
 
Dunno. I mean, I know he'd rather play chess than global thermonuclear war, but...
 

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