The Nineteenth Byte

Nathan Merrill

15:00

@El'endiaStarman it's weird to star a caret, and not the message. Unless we're actually talking about carets, they usually aren't very interesting

that said, we do talk about carets quite a bit

Geobits

The best I can do now is five steps: nethac chalet locate octals postal portal

I really wanted a four-step, but giving it up.

Nathan Merrill

minimum is 4 step, right?

Geobits

Should be. Only shared letters are "at"

I didn't feel like backtracking once I got locate though, and there wasn't a good one after that :/

A short script could do better, I'm sure :P

Nathan Merrill

oooh, idea

Geobits

Not a terrible challenge for main I'd guess.

quartata

15:06

The lower bound should be the damerau levenshtein distance no

Nathan Merrill

a scrabble word finder is going to be really good at this

trichoplax

@zyabin101 not relevant to your CMC, but I should point out I was wrong about cyclic permutations. They don't have to include all elements

Geobits

@quartata I think the permutations would throw that off

TimmyD

@El'endiaStarman Awesome, looks great.

quartata

@Geobits Misunderstood, thought he wanted transpositions not full permutations

TùxCräftîñg

15:09

i messed up DJ's avatar ._.

Geobits

Oh god

quartata

If the permutations are free then it's the Hamming distance between the two closest permutations

TimmyD

@El'endiaStarman Wow. I didn't think I'd be that high on the list. It'd be interesting to see things averaged out -- stars per message.

Geobits

Or starred messages instead of total stars

DJMcMayhem

@TùxCräftîñg ._.

mınxomaτ

15:12

I just cancelled my old VDSL subscription in order to switch to Gigabit fiber. My old sub was only 16Mbps, but I'm still using it until it expires. Now I think my old ISP is trying to win me back.

Geobits

@DJMcMayhem Is that less or more terrifying that the one I did? :P

DJMcMayhem

Probably more

Geobits

It looks like an old CRT's fever dream.

TùxCräftîñg

i played with PIL and powers

DJMcMayhem

@mınxomaτ drools that's not fair, I only get 10 Mbps

Nathan Merrill

15:15

I'm pretty sure there are lots of paths, as it was pretty easy to find manually

DJMcMayhem

@NathanMerrill wait, can't you substitute only one letter at a time?

Nathan Merrill

...did I mess that up?

oh, octane

my bad

DJMcMayhem

Idk I thought you can't rearrange between

Nathan Merrill

wait, octane does work

I though it was "replace a letter, rearrange"

nethac octane toecap captor portal

Geobits

captor is a more dictionary-friendly word than cartop I think lol

DJMcMayhem

15:17

You'd have to ask zyabin

Nathan Merrill

@Geobits there were lots of obscure words, I tried to usually pick the best one, not sure how I missed captor

my full list of first-step words:

hapten
hepcat
octane
anther
canter
carnet
centra
nectar
rachet
recant
tanrec
thenar
trance
cantle
cental
chalet
hantle
lancet
thecal
thenal

muddyfish

Geobits

Oh, recant would've been a better path than the chalet that I used.

DJMcMayhem

@zyabin101 are you allowed to rearrange the letters between one substitution?

El'endia Starman

@TimmyD That query has been posted in TNB before.

zyabin101

15:24

@DJMcMayhem Yup.

Poke

dope the https cert for chat is fixed

Dennis

@Fatalize Pulled.

El'endia Starman

@TimmyD Average stars per message of users who have posted more than 100 messages.

Business Cat

#6 is ಠ_ಠ, that doesn't surprise me one bit

Dennis

New Meta Posts? Hahahaha.

TimmyD

15:27

@El'endiaStarman Woo, top 20. In your face, New Main Posts!

Business Cat

Geobits is disappointingly low

Geobits

I have too many total messages. People run out of stars too often for it to be any higher >_>

El'endia Starman

Apparently, there are 26 users who have posted more than 100 messages but have not gotten any stars at all.

TùxCräftîñg

halp

when i go on a permalink on TNBDE the code is always the same

SELECT *

FROM "transcriptAnalyzer_message"

WHERE date = '2016-08-01'
  AND time = '12:00 AM'

ORDER BY mid;

El'endia Starman

@TùxCräftîñg Try Ctrl+F5.

TùxCräftîñg

15:30

thx

El'endia Starman

"Ctrl+F5" is my version of "Have you tried turning it off and on again?" :P

trichoplax

Worked for me too - thanks :)

The number of stars I get seems to be inversely proportional to the number of messages I post

Business Cat

blame-caching

Geobits

Yeah, I'm in 27th place among everyone, but in second among people with 20k+ messages. So I don't feel so bad :P

El'endia Starman

By the way guys, useful queries for the TNBDE.

Sherlock9

15:36

125th in stars per message, 45th in number of stars, 35th in number of messages. I'm quite pleased :D

Business Cat

Wow, last Friday was one of the chattiest days of all time

trichoplax

Just realised that's number of stars/number of messages, which is subtly different from proportion of messages that were starred

Geobits

Oh, yeah, that would probably make some difference lol

Nathan Merrill

@El'endiaStarman add link at bottom of query page?

trichoplax

@Geobits Sort it by number of stars if you want to feel happy about yourself ;)

quartata

15:38

Oh hey, I didn't realize that the intermediates had to be dictionary words

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@El'endiaStarman first 10 messages is borked

quartata

OK, then the optimum is absolutely 5

Geobits

@trichoplax Haha, yeah I know :P

quartata

Although lemme try one last thing

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill Oh, good idea.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

15:39

@El'endiaStarman ... all teh links are borked

different hashes, same code

Geobits

Ctrl+F5

El'endia Starman

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ ~~Ctrl+F5.~~ What Geobits said.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

doesn't work?

clearing cache doesn't either

quartata

They work for me

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

:/

rebooting browser

@El'endiaStarman cool worksnow

@TùxCräftîñg restart browser

TùxCräftîñg

15:41

<C-F5> solved the issue

trichoplax

Just F5 worked for me

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

:/

quartata

@Geobits Obviously if you don't care about the dictionary word requirement it can be done in 4: nethac -> pethac -> pothac -> pothal -> portal

Sherlock9

I like that my very first message was "Hello", followed by guessing what VTC's acronym meant, and then asking whether it was okay to post lots of answers to your very first question :D

TùxCräftîñg

#blamethecache

quartata

15:41

Hmm, I wonder what Pethack would be like...

Nathan Merrill

clearly, its nethack from the perspective of the pet

TùxCräftîñg

Jun 13 at 17:25, by TùxCräftîñg

@Poke ɴᴏᴛ ᴀʟʟ ʟᴇᴛᴛᴇʀꜱ ᴀʀᴇ ᴅᴜᴍʙ. ᴏɴʟʏ ᴀꜱᴄɪɪ.

quartata

That would be great.

TùxCräftîñg

my fourth message

Geobits

How wrong you were

Nathan Merrill

15:42

seriously? You want me to step on that?

quartata

@TùxCräftîñg ohhh I just physically cringed reading that

@NathanMerrill I guess in that sense, the human is the actual pet...

I should totally implement this. It would be very easy

Geobits

It'd be even better if it had nothing to do with nethack. Like anything would be.

Sherlock9

Geez this "owner". Always climbing up and down stairs. Leave me behind, why don't you?

Nathan Merrill

your score is the length of time your owner survives

quartata

@Geobits We'll convert you yet

Nathan Merrill

15:44

which includes delaying

Sherlock9

@Geobits Why? Just asking

quartata

Yeah, and you can charm other humans with food rations

Geobits

@quartata I wouldn't hold your breath ;)

quartata

Just like you can charm monsters with tripe

Geobits

@Sherlock9 1) I don't like the game 2) Mild trolling

quartata

15:45

Here in Soviet Russia pet feed you

Sherlock9

Well, mostly I was asking why you might not like the game

I get that it isn't for everybody

Geobits

Oh, I just can't get into it. I don't mind roguelikes in general.

Sherlock9

I'd mostly play with it other people around at the moment, since everything's too new for me

Ah okay :D

quartata

It's definitely easier when you have someone you can bombard with questions

The first time I played I had no idea what I was doing and it wasn't horribly fun as a result

TùxCräftîñg

Jun 13 at 18:11, by TùxCräftîñg

Javascript is the best

why so many stars

quartata

15:49

Beats me.

trichoplax

Javascript is the room's language of choice

quartata

excuse me

trichoplax

It's the one thing we can all agree on

quartata

pls

trichoplax

:P

El'endia Starman

15:51

@NathanMerrill status-complete

TùxCräftîñg

s/complete/completed/

plz

TimmyD

ahaha, my 10th chat post ever --

Oct 9 '15 at 19:48, by TimmyD

@Geobits Your entire post history is a lie.

El'endia Starman

@TùxCräftîñg status-decline

TùxCräftîñg

ಠ_ಠ

Nathan Merrill

@El'endiaStarman what does your CPU usage look like?

aka, are you going to cache queries?

El'endia Starman

15:52

@NathanMerrill Well, it's a shared server, so I can't really find out.

Nathan Merrill

repeated queries are going to become much more common now

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill I've thought about that, but I think the main difficulty will be that I plan to have a script that auto-updates the database every hour, so caching results wouldn't work.

Nathan Merrill

nah, you just invalidate the cache with the script

El'endia Starman

Hmm. That could work.

I probably won't implement that today, but maybe sometime in the near future.

TùxCräftîñg

May 3 '14 at 20:01, by Dennis

I just realized GolfScript has rational numbers. Is that documented somewhere?

the first message of Dennis

quartata

15:57

And the same day:

May 3 '14 at 19:51, by Doorknob

We need to take an official stance on code trolling

Those were bad times

Sherlock9

I'm still not entirely sure what code trolling was. And I'm not sure how many examples I could find now that weren't killed with fire.

El'endia Starman

@Sherlock9 I think an accurate description of code trolling is: look like you're doing X, when you're really doing Y.

Geobits

Eh.... kinda.

TùxCräftîñg

this is underhanded

El'endia Starman

I personally wasn't around for the code-trolling days, so...

Business Cat

16:02

12

Q: How to make a Spherical Cow?

Being a theoretical physicist, I always have a great respect for Spherical Cow. So I thought about making one myself. I am not sure how can I create (something considered to be the simplest!) this marvel. One possible way could be using the ExampleData for Cow and map it on a sphere - something ...

WTF

Geobits

One of the main problems is that there wasn't a good definition for it. So it ended up being a trash heap.

TùxCräftîñg

i interiorly died

Geobits

Along with every question ending up too broad.

Business Cat

This is the best question I've ever read on SE

Sherlock9

@El'endiaStarman Yeah, it's a little like hearing older friends talk about "the war". You're curious but you know it's probably not a good idea to probe too directly

El'endia Starman

16:04

@BusinessCat That top answer is fantastic.

Dennis

@Sherlock9 Code trolling at its best/worst.

281

Q: I need a program where the user inputs an array of doubles and the program outputs the array sorted

Note: This question was severely edited since I first posted it here. The rules were moved to here, read them before posting any answer to understand the purpose of this. This was the first question created in the code-trolling category. Imagine a lazy user on Stack Overflow asks this question: ...

code-challenge popularity-contest code-trolling

Note the 166k views.

El'endia Starman

@Dennis So many of those answers are hilarious. Code trolling was by and large an awful thing, but we still got a few gems out of it.

Geobits

I don't care what anyone says, I still like this answer.

Dennis

It was definitely entertaining (and what made me notice PPCG in the first place), just a horrible fit for our scope.

DJMcMayhem

This was what made me notice PPCG for the first time:

57

Q: Write lines in detention

Introduction Bad news guys - you got detention. Your English teacher doesn't understand this site and wants you to "stop doing math on your digital dohickeys, this is English class!" She sentenced you to write her favorite saying on the blackboard 25 times, which will give a total of 100 lines ...

code-golf kolmogorov-complexity restricted-source

Nathan Merrill

16:08

give this guy some upvotes:

1

A: HexaRegex: A Tribute to Martin Ender

Python, 990 bytes First answer, yay! The majority of the bytes relates to making the adjacency list (it has the most potential to be golfed). From then, it's a simple matter of brute-forcing the solution (which I might be able to do in less bytes). Golfed: from math import* Y=range A=input() ...

seriously, its been unanswered since the beginning of August

TimmyD

My favorite code trolling I've come across was this answer on how to convert a Word document to PDF using a serial cable attached to a Linux machine.

DJMcMayhem

That's funny. I was just thinking about trying to answer that like an hour ago.

Sherlock9

I think I noticed PPCG while looking around esoteric programming languages. I was getting into gs2, golfscript and Piet, if I remember correctly, but I don't remember the exact chain of events anymore.

Martin Ender

@NathanMerrill I keep forgetting to finish up my answer :/

Nathan Merrill

we were commenting on it quite a bit, which made it pop to the top of the list

TùxCräftîñg

16:10

for i in $@;do echo $(sleep $i)$i&done;wait

#tehbestsortingalgorithmever

El'endia Starman

@TùxCräftîñg That's probably how some people do work - they sleep until it's done.

2

Blue

@NathanMerrill Thank you

Nathan Merrill

thank you!

DJMcMayhem

@TùxCräftîñg that's really efficient on large lists. It runs in O(n) time!

Geobits

Sucks for sorting strings though :(

quartata

16:14

I don't think sleep qualifies as a constant time operation really.

Geobits

On weekends sleep() always takes a little longer anyway.

10

quartata

Haha

Fatalize

@Dennis Thanks!

Blue

A wild bounty appeared! codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/87482/…

TimmyD

@Geobits Until you get older, then the Bladder.Empty() daemon runs at pre-established times and there's no way around it.

quartata

16:17

@El'endiaStarman OK, this link doesn't work for me

El'endia Starman

@quartata Really? It does for me...

quartata

This is the query that shows up:

SELECT *

FROM "transcriptAnalyzer_message"

WHERE date = '2016-08-01'
  AND time = '12:00 AM'

ORDER BY mid;

Sherlock9

@Dennis Ah, I almost forgot. Thanks for the educational link

quartata

Actually, all links do that.

El'endia Starman

@quartata Ctrl+F5.

Restart your browser if you have to.

quartata

16:21

OK, there we go

Sherlock9

@quartata Your message was accidentally a good response to my message haha

quartata

Haha

El'endia Starman

Say, @quartata, have you tried using fuzzystrmatch yet?

quartata

No, not yet

trichoplax

@NathanMerrill I think it popped to the top of the list because you edited it...

Nathan Merrill

16:25

I only edited it after Blue commented it :)

actually, do comments not pop the question?

El'endia Starman

No, comments don't bump the question.

Nathan Merrill

ah, didn't know

El'endia Starman

Edits, answers, and bounties do.

Sherlock9

Hey quartata, could you look in on my Nethack game? I've got some coins embedded in stone and I'm not sure how to get them out.

I do have a pickaxe

quartata

apply the pick in the direction of the stone to get them out

Sherlock9

16:29

Okay, dumb question: What, in this case, is the "apply" button?

quartata

a

So atn in your case

Sherlock9

Excellent. Thanks a bunch

quartata

No problem.

You can also set auto-dig in your nethackrc

Sherlock9

Should I keep digging or go explore the mines?

quartata

That'll dig when you move into stone like that

Sherlock9

16:30

Ah. Good idea

quartata

@Sherlock9 Up to you

@Sherlock9 nethackwiki.com/wiki/Gnomish_Mines for more info on the mines. Lots of goodies but be careful about traps

Sherlock9

Noted

quartata

> Make judicious use of Elbereth.

probably the best advice in general ever for nethack

Martin Ender

@NathanMerrill can we take the strings in the other order as well? target string first, hexagon second?

Nathan Merrill

sure'

Bah, I've got a KoTH I'm ready to post, but it has a downvote in the Sandbox. Can somebody tell me if my post is confusing:

-1

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

The Stock Exchange KoTH The stock market is all about the speed of knowledge. If you can identify an under-priced stock before anybody else, then you've written yourself a money-making program. Each player starts with 1000 of each stock, and 0 relative net worth. Each stock has a secret value...

El'endia Starman

16:46

@quartata Elbereth Gilthoniel!

quartata

Yes exactly.

El'endia Starman

That reminds me...

2

That's Smaug over on the left and Ancalagon over on the right.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@quartata :/ I never use the e-word.

I always forget.

mınxomaτ

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