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12:37 AM
Oh yeah, am I the second highest comp rank at 49? Everyone in game last night except @Sterno seemed lower
 
@Unionhawk I haven't been ranked yet.
So I guess that makes me the lowest?
 
Unranked not really counting
 
Pretty sure if I played enough I'd be down to 35
 
12:58 AM
I think i am at 49
 
@Sterno 35 is pretty low, I think you being higher or on par with me is about right
 
1:27 AM
Is 37 low?
 
1:52 AM
I haven't finished placement
 
2:50 AM
@Sterno if it works how I think it should 50 should be average
I've also seen "mercy was using pistol all game" type horror stories at 39/38
 
 
9 hours later…
12:09 PM
I had a great game as Ana yesterday
I was attacking and healing
But trying to heal Tracer as Ana is AWFUL
 
 
1 hour later…
1:31 PM
@Unionhawk So are you saying 37 seems low to you?
THIS IS IMPORTANT. I NEED A YES OR NO
 
Yes
 
I AM 37 YEARS OLD. 37 IS A LOW NUMBER. @UNIONHAWK HAS DECLARED ME TO BE NOT-OLD.
 
gg
 
I had that happen to me in The Division. My friend was level 26 so I was like "Nice, you're almost level 30" and his response was "You're almost 30"
And I couldn't deal
 
1:53 PM
Too bad I turn 38 in a month.
 
Yeah, 38 is a high number
That's what I meant
Thanks for salvaging this for me @Sterno
 
I still get one month. ONE MONTH.
 
I turn 27 in two months
 
I played Bastion last night. I feel dirty.
They had an attack Bastion + Reinhardt + Mercy riding the cart though, and nothing else was working
 
I think @Sterno has the most bastion time out of all of us
By far
 
1:55 PM
I probably do. It's like 5 hours
 
BY FAR
 
Probably not as bad if you take it as a percentage of total time though
 
I have like a minute
Maybe 3
 
It always feels like failure when selecting him
 
1 minute. Lowest hero time (next lowest: Tracer 3 min)
 
> Why can Genji outplay a Zarya at close range? Because Zarya's Laser Beam is more bugged than Windows 95 at release.
 
So true.
Gotta find the video of Zarya and McCree standing still and him beaming her and just not doing much to him.
 
@Sterno Your flashbang was up again against that Bastion and I think you could've won it with that.
 
I think I have 30 minutes of Bastion, which is sad
 
@Yuuki Yeah, I forget it a lot. I was also expecting him to die way sooner than that
Had him sooooo close
I was like "First FTH will kill him" and then I was like "Well, 2nd FTH will definitely kill him"
Last night had a match where there was a level 400+ McCree on our team
I went Zen, followed him, kept him healed, and discorded whoever he was shooting at. It was sick.
 
2:12 PM
I think discord is going to get looked at
 
Discord is probably too strong
And I think Zen might need to lose some Harmony healing right now. It's pretty good
 
30 hps isn't the best
 
It's not but with the range it's strong
 
Eh, it's line of sight single target
vs line of sight multi target on amped lucio
Which I think is also 30?
 
I was thinking mainly in the context of Mercy
Who probably needs some tweaks now
 
2:17 PM
Yeah
Probably
I think she's in a better place, but Zenyatta is in a more better place
 
Mercy's ult is still Very Good
 
I'm a huge fan of mobility upon ult
 
@twobugs It's not so bad but it stacks with Lucio which can be pretty sick.
GG as S76 trying to kill Pharah
My biggest frustration with S76 is they seem to heal as fast as you can put it out unless you're really close range, and his ideal range is not close range
 
Oh man that's 40 base hps with lucio/zen
Which is almost better than mercy
 
Or, what? 70 amped up?
 
2:21 PM
Something like that
 
Zen is 30 hps, Lucio is 12.5 hps (40 hps amped up)
Anyway, I don't think Zen's heal is OP
 
I think discord might need a knock down, but otoh, it's single enemy vs single friendly so I think it's probably ok'
 
It might not be, but I think Zen as is needs to be toned back a bit
 
But HPS (whether from zen or mercy or sometimes even just lucio) makes it really hard to kill pharah as soldier. She's just hard to track and usually at some sort of damage falloff range
I save my Zen ult to say "Fuck you, Genji Ult"
 
room topic changed to Overwatch: Chat about the Blizzard FPS Overwatch, in which Sterno slowly loses his sanity to enemy Genjis. [-genji] [mei-ke] [overwatch] [puns]
 
2:25 PM
room topic changed to Overwatch: Chat about the Blizzard FPS Overwatch, in which Sterno rapidly loses his sanity to enemy Genjis. [-genji] [mei-ke] [overwatch] [puns]
ftfy
 
Thanks.
 
Tags are alphebetized so that would ruin the pun.
sigh
 
I just wanted to relive that moment
Rectangle Phobia Is A Very Real And Serious Thing
 
2:38 PM
And should not be mocked.
Buff Genji's counters a bit and I'd be happy
Hell, just make him stop flying through the air if he gets stunned
 
I really think he just needs a cleaner counter
Any of his "counters" can still get messed up by him
 
2:50 PM
I've seen a lot of "Well, he takes high skill to play well, so high skill people SHOULD be able to kill everyone" arguments and I don't really feel like that is a valid argument
 
Yeah no
That's stupid
 
He takes a lot of skill to play well, and high skill people SHOULD be dangerous
But I don't think he should require teams be built around him
 
The next new character should be a Tank who heals when you melee him instead of taking damage.
 
It's also interesting that his ult has a lot less counter than most offensive ults. S76: Hide behind a shield or cover. Or Dva's defense matrix. Or use Genji reflect. Mcree? Same ones. PHarah? Same ones (less-so reflect). Tracer? Okay, no real counter there other than maybe reflect, but her ult is rarely hitting more than 1 or 2 people anyway. Reaper? Most of the S76 ones, plus he's pretty easy to hit and kill while he's doing it if you're not right next to him.
Usually just "running away" is good.
Genji it's pretty much "HOpe Lucio/Zen have their ults up!" and spray and pray
 
@Sterno Tracer is "hope she's an idiot and bombs a 500 health character"
Like that one game where she kept bombing reinhardt
 
2:55 PM
How much does her bomb do?
 
500
 
Oh, right, so reinhardt needs full health to live
 
Reinhardt at full health can survive it because of his armor.
 
with 5 health remaining
 
So shoot him slightly while placing bomb
 
2:55 PM
Roadhog just has 600 health so he's ok if he's close to max.
 
It must have range falloff too I think
 
The only defense against Genji is the health boosting ones (which is good against almost all ults) or if you can somehow immobilize him (which is good against almost all ults too)
 
I actually want to know if you can sleep dart a tire
 
No
 
@Unionhawk You can shoot it at the tire if you want, but it doesn't stop it.
 
2:58 PM
Well whatever I'm typing up a question anyway
 
Getting ready to type "No #10chars"
 
0
Q: Can you use sleep dart on Junkrat's RIP-Tire?

UnionhawkIf I shoot Junkrat's tire with a sleep dart, does it stop moving? This might not make much sense at first, but you can put D.va's mech to sleep (she is able to move her joysticks still!), and you can also put Bastion and Zenyatta to sleep, so I wouldn't put it past Blizzard to make this possible ...

 
I think technically how I worded it the answer is "yes but it will only do 5 damage and nothing else"
"And jeff kaplan finds you and messages you asking if you honestly thought that was going to work"
 
well gents, guess whose going to be playing OVerwatch tonight?!
 
not @Wipqozn?
 
3:03 PM
@Unionhawk Yup! Having friends over.
I'm such a jerk.
 
Ah crap I'm not either I think
 
I actually am going to try to hop on over the weekend for some games though
 
@Wipqozn You're lucky you're a mod otherwise I'd probably have used my italic powers right now
YOU WIN THIS TIME, TURTLE
 
@Unionhawk Can't believe you suckers voted for me
 
I mean, I did but it didn't matter
Since you were my... second I think
 
3:06 PM
Don't blame me, I voted for ronnie
 
I might be on tonight, tomorrow night is a no though
Church festival time!
Yay parking cars
 
I'm going to finish my placement tonight. Hopefully placing higher than everyone else so @StrixVaria is forced to make me a room owner. Because that's how it works
 
I'd be down for comp maybe
 
By the time I'm ready for comp most of you are in bed because you're old men
 
There's no country for us
 
3:10 PM
Most as in all except me
 
I have to be really quiet after like 11pm because I have a really obnoxious neighbor
Who yells all the damn time but complains if I even type
 
Don't give in to him (OR HER) or the terrorists win.
 
indeed
 
I've never met him but apparently he is a very grumpy old man everyone hates
 
Nice
 
3:12 PM
I wonder if I could just play Ana like a McCree who does 80 damage instead of 70. I mean, I rarely manage headshots anyway
I guess she's got half the rate of fire
 
I don't want to be mean to him just because he is old and grumpy like @Sterno though so I try to be a good neighbor
 
She's also technically projectile in hip fire
 
true
 
It's a fast projectile though so it might not matter too much
 
I noticed Ana's projectiles are actually fairly slow so I think that's what was confusing me
 
3:13 PM
It's also a largeish projectile, and very large vs friendly
 
Well I meant Wednesday or something when it felt like I would take damage a second or two after the gun fired
So I would think I dodged it and then nope
Although that guy might have been lagging anyway so who knows
 
It's not bad
 
3:35 PM
0
Q: What is the fastest way to destroy Junkrat's tire?

KaizerwolfAs the title states, what is the quickest method for taking out the 100 Health on Junkrat's Rip Tire? I would like to know in terms of damage and accuracy, as pure damage can't always guarantee an easy hit on the tire. Damage dealing ultimates can be included as well.

 
3:53 PM
@Athena This seems like a terrible question
Plus, the answer to "fastest way to destroy" is always "Bastion"
 
It's better than "can you put it to sleep" imo
 
Yeah, but I mean, if a tire is coming, you've got the tools you have. You're not suddenly going to switch classes to deal with it.
And if you're picking your class specifically to counter the tire, you're probably playing wrong
I should make @Frank mad and post a lore question asking what order I need to watch the backstory videos (and what they all are)
 
4:11 PM
Honestly most heroes have good tools, it's about finding the best tools
 
Every hero is a tool if @Wipqozn is playing him
 
@twobugs lolol
@Sterno I'm pretty sure @Frank loves lore questions.
 
@Wipqozn Indeed
 
I guess I'll play some placements.
"Only" 6 more to go.
 
@Sterno I don't understand the ending of [lore video]?
 
4:20 PM
Tracer is failing to kill Widow in this video. Bad Tracer
 
I don't understand the ending of [lore comic]?
 
4 minute queue so far.
Yawn.
 
@Yuuki soloq comp?
 
Yeah.
Probably because it is most definitely not peak hours.
 
Yeah
And maybe partially lucioball
 
4:25 PM
If it's up to 4 minutes something is probably broken
 
@Sterno or no one is playing the game anymore
the game's, like, super old guys
 
It might be more strict about "don't place a placement matches player in a game with comp rank 70"
Whereas qp gives less of a shit
 
This trailer is annoying me. Tracer chases Widow and Winston chases Reaper. YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT BACKWARDS
 
Question: what the f--k does Ana say when she ults?
 
@Yuuki The Arabic translation for the thing she says in English when she ults.
 
4:30 PM
Also, Tracer's voice is super annoying and Reaper is even more over the top in these vids
 
Just like Zarya says the Russian translation of "fire at will".
 
I still prefer to believe Zarya says "I'm going for the Toblerone"
 
I can't even remember the English voiceline for Ana's ult, though.
Probably because I'm usually my team's Ana when we have one, so I never hear it.
 
I think it's something like "Nanoboost engaged"
Administered
I was close
 
4:35 PM
Also best voice line:
> (when using Sleep Dart on an enemy Pharah using Barrage) I think justice could use a little nap.
 
Because I know it's not English, but it sounds like "when we hold the weather". Which is grammatically correct English but also makes no sense.
 
5:09 PM
I'm waiting for the ults only brawl.
 
5:37 PM
@Unionhawk Grats on your HNQ of "can I put a tire to sleep"
 
Ha
Goddammit
 
@Sterno's utter hatred of Genji made me start thinking about what an actual Genji counter would look like. I have no idea if I succeeded at making a Genji counter, but now I want to play as the character I made up.
 
How about someone with the ability to slow down enemies, with a primary fire that cannot be ref-- wait I've just invented Mei
 
Would he be a super-old dude that tells Genji to get off his lawn every time he ults?
 
Tank class, human occupant in an armored medical suit
Health: 250
Armor: 250
Passive: Standing in his own poison gas heals him for 15hps, stacks from different poison gas sources (primary fire, alt fire, E, and Q count separately, up to 60hps).
Primary attack: Poison gas, deals 50dps in a cone in front, like a flamethrower. Longer range but narrower cone than Winston. The attack lingers for a second after fire stops.
Alternate fire: Poison gas cloud, deals 50dps in a small radius around self. The attack lingers for a second after fire stops. You can primary and alt fire at the same time at
I got a little specific.
 
5:44 PM
That's a lot of poison.
 
He's got a theme!
 
I always wanted a magnet themed character
 
I intended that enemies are either affected by or not affected by poison, so you can't stack a bunch to deal way too much dps.
 
rail gun primary kind of thing, ult pulls a couple enemies together but they can still move around
 
But my intentions are also utterly irrelevant since I'm not the lead designer on Overwatch.
 
5:47 PM
@Kaizerwolf his ulti is he can pull all projectiles to him then launch them in a target direction.
 
@Dragonrage This was an idea I had too when I was thinking about character design working on my poison dude.
It doesn't make sense for a poison dude, but it's a neat idea.
 
@Unionhawk Mei counters only the very worst genjis
 
I think the Overwatch design team has gone out and said that there are two things they don't like and don't want in Overwatch: invisibility and damage-over-time effects.
 
@Yuuki I understand both, and although I do know that there's no chance for my character to get made, I don't think that's the kind of DoT effect they meant.
 
I want the Sorry spray
 
5:52 PM
Also Widowmaker breaks that rule already.
 
So does Ana, technically
It's a super fast DOT though
 
Widow does worse, though.
The reason poison is probably ok is that you only take DoT while you're in the poison, so you have an action you can take to make it stop.
If it's a like 10-second DoT where once you're hit you're just doomed if you don't have enough health, that's awful.
 
I find roadhog to be a great Genji counter, but only for the bad ones. a quick hook, shotgun, melee, usually does the job
 
You have to hit the hook, which is the issue.
I wonder how an equally skilled super high-level McCree vs. Genji fight would go.
McCree is better at mid-range since he's hitscan, and he's presumably better at close range because of his stun.
But I still feel like Genji wins those fights more than he loses, in actual game situations.
 
And even if he doesn't win, he can GTFO real easy.
 
5:59 PM
@StrixVaria Mostly because of deflect and dash
While he's deflecting there's pretty much nothing McCree can do except wait for the inevitable dash-melee-rmb combo
and hope that if you do land the stun on him, he doesn't keep moving for the entire duration of it anyway
If you are completely godlike and can land every shot on a hopping spinning dashing genji, you'll probably win
If you manage to stun him and he's standing still, you'll probably win
Though even then I've done FTH and before he dies he unstuns and deflects and that's never good
McCree's stun is really short
 
It feels shorter than when I'm on the receiving end
I know that much
 
It is objectively .7 seconds.
That's enough for one LMB shot
Theoretically its enough time to get your FTH off if you were already lined up for the shot and started firing immediately
in practice you usually get about 2-3 rounds off before they unstun
bad genjis/tracers/whatever still die anyway
good ones were holding down deflect/dash/rewind
What happens to me far too often is that I'm shooting at a Genji as he gets close, land the stun, and then FTH and find out I only had 2 bullets in the chamber.
I need to remember to start rolling first or something
Another issue is that while theoretically mccree is better at mid-range, it's really hard to hit a double-jumping/dashing genji while yourself dodging incoming fire
Even as the shitty genji I am, I have a pretty easy time hitting people with shurikens if they're shooting at me
Because it takes them a lot of concentration and effort to line up their shots
I completely suck at hitting people who aren't aware of me though
Plus the whole time the Genji is approaching you're wondering when the deflect is coming
You're trying to bait it without headshotting yourself
If I see a Genji deflect against someone else I spend the next 8 seconds trying to hunt his ass down.
Usually he just flips away, grabs a health pack, and comes back when it's ready again
Last night I had an awful death. I was McCree trying to kill an enemy Mercy. She's almost dead and their junkrat with 20 health pops up in front of me and fires, killing himself with his own grenade. I don't even see the elim because I didn't damage him. a second later I die to his suicide bombs right as I'm about to put the last shot into mercy. It was the worst.
Basically, he was a suicide bomber
 
6:14 PM
You got punked
 
Oh, I guess I did hurt him. I just didn't notice he'd died. Really wanted that Mercy.
 
You're actually focusing down enemy healers so I can't fault you for that
 
Had tunnel vision
But yeah, I was giving that Mercy a lot of grief that game
I mean, if he hadn't died, he would have killed me a second later anyway. I was in a bad position
 
There are worse things to tunnel on
But yeah there's a lot to remain aware of and it can be challenging
I had this game last night where I was Junkrat. I had a great start but then the enemy team just played around me
I never got even a single kill with the tire, they'd focus it immediately
It was rough
 
I'm pretty ineffective with his tires. Especially on defense.
Often ulting as him is a net loss. I die and none of them do
 
6:23 PM
I had some good 1v1s but I struggled to utilize him in team encounters
 
I never feel effective as him. I do a ton of damage but very few kills
 
Like with Reaper, good Junkrat players make it look like they're just spamming grenades without a care
But you actually have to think about positioning a lot
 
There really isn't a single defensive hero I feel good at
Not really any tanks anymore, either. Roadhog, for a while. Now I keep getting slaughtered as him
Actually, Dva on KOTH I'm solid with
 
I only ever feel truly effective on Junkrat.
Well, consistently.
 
If there are some solid DPSers on the team like McCree or S76 I love to follow them around as DVa and put my defense matrix on them while they're murdering
 
6:26 PM
I have my moments with Reaper, Tracer, Soldier, etc., but I do awful more often than I do great.
 
I had some good D.Va games
I like her a lot now
 
I used to feel good about Reaper but lately my positioning is all wrong and I get burned down before I can get close
I think I'm only a good reaper with a lot of team support
(which might not be being a good reaper)
 
I feel pretty good about my Soldier except for ulting
I don't always ult at the right time
 
Worst S76 ult is right before you come across Torb's turret
HIT THE TURRET DAMN YOU AHHHHHHHHHG
It's actually really hard to use on an enemy that's grouped up because it's hard to focus a particular one down
Now I just try to murder an ulting genji with it
 
@Sterno Yeah, it's much better for picking off loners.
 
6:30 PM
I've started using McCree's ult to bust Reinhardt's shield
Whereas I used to say "Reinhardt's up? Better save my ult"
 
Okay, now to start losing some comp matches.
 
Reaper names are great
KILLEVERYONE
 
6:48 PM
Man, so much for a perfect 10-win placement streak.
Learn how to defend your healers, people.
Wait 4 minutes -> get into comp match -> "A player has left this match, closing game in 10 seconds"
 
7:15 PM
@Yuuki Was this something you were close to?
 
@Sterno I was 5 up and hadn't lost so not really?
 
That's still good though.
 
I went 5-5 total so
 
I think I'm at 5-3? I'm hoping to win the next two games but somehow end up lower ranked than @Unionhawk
 
one of my favorite streamers went 10-0
 
7:28 PM
I went 8-2 if I remember right. Maybe 7-3
Just looked. 8-2. Lost #4 and #10
#10 was basically my team being murdered over and over.
#9 was me being carried hard.
 
I'm pretty sure @Unionhawk was there for every game I lost so it's his fault
 
I am currently 7-1, I think.
 
7:57 PM
Lost another so it'll be 8-2 at best.
 
8:27 PM
Though probably 7-3.
 
How does the changing characters work in the brawl. Asking for a friend.
 
8:46 PM
I think there's a short window that you can press H to select a hero
If it isn't fixed it's probably about to be, since they could probably quick fix it by saying "hero selection limit: lucio"
Though that might actually give you normal lucio
Man, if I get to 50, I'll end up getting 60 CP instead of 40 at season end
 
 
2 hours later…
10:51 PM
Did they publish rewards somewhere?
 
11:02 PM
Oh sweet. I'll get 200
i doubt I can climb 5 points for 300
 

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