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Serg

6:00 PM

@ByteCommander It's a proper question, and reproducible askubuntu.com/q/745259/295286

It was Mint in the edits , but applies to Ubuntu as well, so keep it open

Mudit Kapil

@Serg Our new Mod.

Serg

@MuditKapil no , not at all :)

I was 5th in the primaries, there's no way i can win elections or be 2nd

terdon

You never know. I have no idea how well primary results reflect the actual ones. After all, not very many users bother to vote.

For example, in the last elections:

> 6,587 voters were eligible, 2,025 visited the site during the election, 1,549 visited the election page, and 680 voted;

Videonauth

and up to that in the primaries theres no downvoting

and everyone has only three votes to give

Henry WH Hack

@NathanOsman That's spooky!

@James The answer is 6.25.

Jacob Vlijm

6:16 PM

@terdon @Serg totally off topic here, but the longer I think, the more I am convinced that election could be surprisingly different from primary. No one can predict the effect of priority, especially in the regions below 1, and indeed downvotes do not count.

@terdon I am a noob, but where did you get those figures?

Serg

probably from one of the meta posts

jokerdino

@JacobVlijm previous election page

it's from 2014.

Byte Commander

@Serg Why that Q link?

Jacob Vlijm

@jokerdino so I am a noob

Serg

@ByteCommander because it mentions the same Input/Output error

@JacobVlijm roses are red, violets are blue , in some things we're n00bs , but that's what humans do :)

Jacob Vlijm

6:23 PM

:)

Seth

your rhyme is a little off Serg :P

Byte Commander

Hmm... similar, but not exactly the same.

jokerdino

> roses are red, violets are blue

I am not colour blind.

Serg

that rhyme isn't set in stone

Jacob Vlijm

...if you don't pay, you'll get free glue

Byte Commander

6:24 PM

Uhm, am I right that shutdown, reboot, etc should require sudo?

Serg

yay, free stuff . . . wait what ???

terdon

@JacobVlijm The election pages have standard URL formats: http://askubuntu.com/election/N where N is a number from 1 to 5.

Serg

@ByteCommander yes you are right , except on 16.04 didn't ask be for no sudo or root

terdon

Well, 1 to the current number of elections. This one is the 5th, so 5.

Jacob Vlijm

@terdon AHA, thanks

Byte Commander

6:25 PM

@Serg WHY!!?? ;____;

Serg

em . . . . \ (o . o) / I dunno

terdon

@Serg on 16.04, since it's 100% systemd, isn't /sbin/reboot a symlink to systemctl?

Byte Commander

I just typed rebooton Xenial, expecting it to complain for not running as root.

Serg

@terdon it is !

Byte Commander

But it did not complain - POOOF!

Serg

6:26 PM

yeah, i did the same thing as Byte

terdon

That's probably why it doesn't complain. it looks like it's been set up to allow regular users to reboot.

Byte Commander

And why isn't that at least reflected in the manpage?

Serg

@terdon bad idea for servers

good idea for desktops

Byte Commander

Also I assumed that /sbin/* requires root to run, no matter what.

terdon

@ByteCommander No, it's just that on many systems, /sbin is not in a regular user's PATH. I think it is in Ubuntu though

Serg

6:28 PM

@ByteCommander well, run find /sbin/ -type f -executable

You will be surprised

@terdon on my system /sbin is in the PATH

Byte Commander

Sigh.

Serg

le sigh

terdon

@Serg Yes, that's what I said. On Ubuntu, /sbin is in the PATH, but on many systes it isn't.

Byte Commander

Yup, all sbins are in PATH here as well. They have even higher priority than the corresponding bins.

Serg

@terdon aaaah, right right . . . on openSuse I was wondering why I couldn't use ifconfig till i figured out /sbin is not in the path

Byte Commander

6:30 PM

But who the heck decided to change that - and why silently, without any kind of note?

terdon

@ByteCommander There probably was a note. Lost in the init war posts.

Serg

honestly , i need to read those notes

ok, breakfast/lunch time

Byte Commander

I did not hear of them yet.

grooveplex

hi everyone

Should I say something about askubuntu.com/questions/789017/…? If OP got their answer from @dufte but posted @dufte's answer as their own, that would be a little unfair.

Severus Tux

@grooveplex Happens a lot

grooveplex

6:34 PM

So, it would be a lot of work for nothing?

Serg

@grooveplex did they mention where they got solution ?

If they did not that is plagiarism

terdon

No it isn't.

grooveplex

@Serg Nope. But @dufte left a comment 23 mins ago, OP posted answer 22 minutes ago

terdon

Answers shouldn't be posted as comments and, if they are, they are fair game. The OP did nothing wrong.

Thomas W.

^ that

terdon

6:35 PM

If dufte wanted credit, they should have posted an answer. maybe this way they'll learn not to post answers as comments.

grooveplex

@terdon Really? I always post tiny answers as comments. I thought that was the right thing to do.

Serg

Ah, so it was a comment

Thomas W.

I tend to post 'half answers' as comments if the comment leads to a better answer depending on circumstances

but eh

Serg

@grooveplex somebody can easily post it as their own

Severus Tux

Once an OP had written a ditto answer of mine to his own post and accepted his own ans. but in this case terdon is right

terdon

6:36 PM

@grooveplex Nope. If it's a comment, you i) can't downvote it if it's wrong; ii) other users can't edit and improve it; iii) the answer is never marked as answered and iv) you don't get any rep/credit for it.

grooveplex

So answers go into answers section and comments go where they belong

Severus Tux

Yes, as their definitions

terdon

Yup. If you don't have time to post an answer and instead just leave a comment, that's OK, but it means that anyone is free to take your comment and turn it into an answer.

grooveplex

Is putty available for Ubuntu?

Thomas W.

@grooveplex yes it's in the repositories

though built in SSH is nicer, in my opinion

(I'm a command-line junkie - I eat it for breakfast, lunch, dinner, second dinner, and snacks)

grooveplex

6:39 PM

Okay. But I doubt if this asker here > askubuntu.com/questions/789013/no-ip-ssh-econnrefused < is using Ubuntu

terdon

@grooveplex this post sums it up nicely:

41

A: How to handle unanswered questions that have the answer in a comment or edited into the question?

Steal comments that answer the question and post them as an answer. If it happens enough either the misguided commentators will be annoyed enough at the "lost" rep to give outright answers next time, or no one will notice / care and you'll help the community and... oh yeah, get some rep. BTW, I ...

Serg

Yup, putty is there, used it for serial connection. Though i prefer screen

grooveplex

Or they are much smarter than I am and they use PuTTY because of their super special requirements... but still..

Thomas W.

@grooveplex Or they mention PuTTY was what they were trying to use but it's a completely different issue altogether

see my answer :P

i need coffee...

hmm... Amtrak has decent coffee...

... and I'm a Business Class rider... hmmmmmm free coffee.....

hmmmmm

back in a moment, need coffee :P

Serg

@ThomasW. Stop making me jealous with your coffee talk

Thomas W.

6:44 PM

blah blah coffee blah coffee blah blah blah CAFFEINE blah COFFEE IS GOD blah blah blah

Serg

O. o

Thomas W.

:P

grooveplex

(kerosene is red bull)

Serg

Kerosene ? I wouldn't wanna drink that

grooveplex

@Serg Me neither haha

Thomas W.

6:46 PM

red bull is death

Serg

So it's father's day huh

Thomas W.

coffee is better

Zacharee1

Anyone know how I can replace `\/help\` with `/help` with JS replace()?

replace(/\/help\/g, '/help') doesn't work

grooveplex

o/ @Zacharee1

Zacharee1

nor does /\\/help\\/g or /[\\/help\\]+/g

@grooveplex hi

grooveplex

6:49 PM

did you include your first argument in quotes if that's required?

Nathan Osman

@terdon regarding the fan... I remember when I had a laptop with poor cooling that would often get too hot. The mechanical hard drive inside got the worst of it. It would often climb above 60° C.

muru

@Pilot6 I have tried both Software Center (before 16.04) and manually adding repo. Both work fine for me. I don't know what you saw.

Zacharee1

@grooveplex the forward slashes at the beginning and end take the place of quotes

it has something to do with /g and replacing all matches

Nathan Osman

I think the temperature contributed to its early demise.

Serg

@terdon there's laptop standards with buildin fans by the way. Fairly decent prices toi

Too

terdon

6:51 PM

@NathanOsman Yup. This thing habitually runs at >60 C

@Serg I only need this on very hot days.

Nathan Osman

My current desktop has issues too but it has some room for performance tuning.

I've got the CPU underclocked.

Serg

@terdon maybe you should write a scrit that turns on that big fan once air temp us above certain limit

Severus Tux

Heyyy Nathan is here :)

Serg

Sounds like a good raspberry project

terdon

Well, this is a ~6 year old laptop. I've changed the motherboard once (I had the same problem, called Dell tech support and said they need to change the thermal paste, they came and changed the entire mobo o_O), but should change the thermal paste again. It's been a few years now.

@Serg Or I could just press a button with my hand...

Nathan Osman

6:53 PM

Yeah. And I'm sure you've cleaned the dust out too.

That needs to be done every year or two.

Serg

Noooo, that's boring. Script all the things !!!!!!!

edwinksl

what is happening askubuntu.com/a/788998/15003

Byte Commander

@terdon On very hot days? How hot is it outsides at your place? o.O

Severus Tux

@NathanOsman Hi :) could you give me that link again ? that website associated with the "Show typing" tool. ...

Nathan Osman

@ByteCommander it gets to 40° C here in the summer.

Thomas W.

6:54 PM

well

guess I'm not getting coffee until the conductor and the person running the cafe car here have a talk

Byte Commander

You could use your fan to blow some of those °C over to Germany. I get cold feet here. :-/

Nathan Osman

@SeverusTux sure. One sec.

terdon

@ByteCommander It was about 35 degrees when I turned the fan on.

Nathan Osman

@SeverusTux sechat.quickmediasolutions.com

Severus Tux

That animation was awesome.. hover mouse and lines move away :)

Thanks :)

Nathan Osman

6:55 PM

@terdon is it humid there?

terdon

Forecast.io claims it's 28 degrees outside now (21:56 at night)

@NathanOsman Not usually, no. Which is a good thing since >40 degrees is quite common.

Nathan Osman

It's crazy humid here.

Byte Commander

@terdon Subtract 20 K and you get the temperature here. And subtract another 10 K and you get how cold my feet feel...

terdon

:)

Serg

@edwinksl i addressed that

grooveplex

6:56 PM

This is not a question.. askubuntu.com/questions/789034/…

terdon

@NathanOsman Yeah, that makes it unbearable. Be it cold or warm.

grooveplex

Or is it acceptable to ask questions that don't need answers?

Zacharee1

aha

replace(/\\\/help\\/g, "\/help")

Severus Tux

@NathanOsman which language did you use to do that ?

Thomas W.

@grooveplex Vote to close as "Unclear" and comment that if they want to answer their own question they can post the "answer" to their own question and accept it later

if they change it, retract the close vote.

edwinksl

6:59 PM

@Serg thanks for keeping the peace ;)

Zacharee1

now I just have to figure out why the auto scrolling only works once

grooveplex

@Zacharee1 Voting to close your question as unclear :-) Please add some more details to highlight exactly what you need :-)

Zacharee1

@grooveplex ?

grooveplex

ah I was just kidding :)

Byte Commander

@terdon The German radio news just mentioned the 40°C heat in Greece btw.

terdon

7:03 PM

@ByteCommander Good. Maybe that'll make some of you all come down and spend your money on ouzo! :P

Byte Commander

Nah, I'll prefer olives and feta.

Severus Tux

Good night every one :D ; echo "Good $(your time)"

bye

Nathan Osman

@SeverusTux the UserScript is in JavaScript and the server app is written in Go.

Byte Commander

Bye Tux.

Severus Tux

okay :) Thanks Nathan

I think i am addicted to AU O_o, Why am I not reading for the Algo exams tomorrow

bye .

terdon

7:07 PM

@ByteCommander Not a problem, we got those too! Just bring some nice sausages and beer. Lots of beer.

Byte Commander

:D

I'm also not much into beer though...

\m/ (^_^) \m/

Enjoying this on the radio currently:

KISSIN' DYNAMITE - Six Feet Under (2012) // official clip // AFM Records

►

terdon

@ByteCommander Hey, I didn't say you should have any, I only told you to bring it!

Franziskaner Red, by preference.

Thomas W.

finally has coffee

Zacharee1

stupid JS

stupid PHP

stupid stupid

blegh

- A poem by Zacharee1

@ThomasW. you be quiet

Thomas W.

:)

Zacharee1

7:17 PM

I actually got it working

auto-scroll is the problem now

one div works fine, but the other only works when I toggle auto scroll on

if any new text comes in, it doesn't scroll

ekjnwbvpwel;cav

Byte Commander

@Zacharee1 Please convert it to a haiku. :P

Zacharee1

@ByteCommander this aint cah

Byte Commander

@Zacharee1 if you prefer elementary school level, you may also write an elevenie...

Serg

@Zacharee1 you should have posted your poem as one single message into chat, would have been easier to star

Zacharee1

@Serg I can ask a mod :p

@terdon can you single-messageify my "poem"?

or just delete it

stupid JS
stupid PHP
stupid stupid
blegh
- A poem by Zacharee1

6

Serg

7:23 PM

@Zacharee1 mods totally have time for dealing with powems . . . right

@Serg duh

damn

wat

Anton Yelchin (Chekov in the last Star Trek movies)died at 27

car crash

Zacharee1

:/

Rinzwind

7:24 PM

another 27 year added to the club of 27

Serg

Well , if we're talking about poetic approach to programming . . . .here

Dennis Ritchie - Write in C

►

2

Zacharee1

@Serg o_O

why is the title in Spanish?

Serg

Because OP of that video speaks spanish ??

Zacharee1

:p

@Rinzwind can you help with my JS problem?

Serg

I don't stalk people on youtube . . . only some of them

Zacharee1

7:26 PM

stack?

Rinzwind

@Zacharee1 depends if it is JS >:)

Zacharee1

@Rinzwind uh

yes?

Go to x-p-w.tk/control.php, log in with temp and temp

Rinzwind

jquery aint javascript ;=)

Zacharee1

I don't think it's completely JQuery

Rinzwind

and that is php >:)

Byte Commander

7:27 PM

@Serg Good one, knew that already! :D

Zacharee1

@Rinzwind and PHP pages can't have HTML or JS? Because you'll have to tell that to nginx :p

Serg

@ByteCommander let me find something you didn't know

Rinzwind

@Zacharee1 a file ending on PHP should have PHP in it :+)

Serg

The "Java Life" Rap Music Video

►

Zacharee1

@Rinzwind and so it does, but it also has HTML and JS

@Rinzwind just go to it

Rinzwind

7:28 PM

@Zacharee1 bleh :+) js should be in a js

Zacharee1

@Rinzwind that doesn't work when it's changing elements on the page

I'm trying to give a live example of the problem

TheXed

Happy padre day if there are any padres out there...

Zacharee1

glad you didn't say papa day or Papa day

TheXed

is there a papa?

Serg

Papa Roach ?

Zacharee1

7:31 PM

papá == father, la papa == potato, el Papa == The Pope

Serg

What Does the Chameleon Say? (Ylvis - What Does the Fox Say parody)

►

SUSE video ^

Zacharee1

@Serg = bot, confirmed

like Mitch, but with videos :p

Serg

Seth, I need to borrow someof your scripts to ban @Zacharee1

Zacharee1

nu pls

Rinzwind

:P

Serg

7:33 PM

Because @Zacharee1 is a JS and PHP bot :p keeps asking questions about that , even though half the chat told him not to use it

edwinksl

@Serg rolfmao that video

Zacharee1

@Serg how else am I meant to dynamically replace content?

Serg

Dynamically ? uh . . .dynamite maybe ?

I dunno, I'm no JS or PHP guy

Zacharee1

@Rinzwind can you please just take a look at the site? Turn on auto-scroll on the first box and put something in. Do the same with the other div.

@Serg the dynamite will be going to Colorado, primed and ready

Serg

O_o maybe I should change my address . . . .

Zacharee1

7:35 PM

:}

Serg

@edwinksl check out this one

Uptime Funk - (Uptown Funk parody)

►

Rinzwind

and then what?

Zacharee1

See how the second div won't scroll when something new comes in?

Put in glist for the first and help for the second to make it more obvious

TheXed

okay...

I am having a bit of a problem...

So I have a rpi that I can ssh into...

and I want to pull some files off it...

which I can do on Windows using WinSCP or whatever it is...

but I can't figure out how to do it on Ubuntu.

Rinzwind

@TheXed cp file username:passwrd@ip:/dir/dir/file

Byte Commander

7:38 PM

@Serg Don't reboot it, just patch, yeah!

TheXed

I know...

But how...

Serg

@TheXed use scp

Or rsync

Rinzwind

... and the file goes to another computer with "ip" adres

TheXed

I mean i can do ssh pi@192.168.1.100

but that just brings up the command line

Rinzwind

@Zacharee1 not seeing much difference :=)

Byte Commander

7:40 PM

@Serg Already knew all of those three vids though. :)

Rinzwind

@TheXed no that is for connecting. not for copying. use the one I posted above

edwinksl

@Serg GOLD

TheXed

Oh I didn't see that...

Zacharee1

@Rinzwind Putting in glist doesn't do anything?

Rinzwind

@TheXed cp file pi@192.168.1.100:/dir/dir/file

Zacharee1

7:41 PM

It doesn't look like you've even logged in

Rinzwind

or cp file pi@192.168.1.100:/dir/dir/

i am :=)

Zacharee1

turn on the auto-scroll switch for both and put in glist for the first then

Serg

@TheXed it has been a while since i've used my rpi but it would go something like this scp rpi_user@192.168.1.100:/home/rpi_user/file.txt /home/local_user/DESTINATION_FILE.txt

Rinzwind

already did and the top one does not seem to scroll down :P

TheXed

Isn't there a GUI method?

Rinzwind

7:43 PM

@TheXed linux n00b ;-)

Zacharee1

@Rinzwind I don't even see any history of commands

TheXed

@Rinzwind no just lazy...

Rinzwind