English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Kitḫ

12:57 AM

cough

RegDwight Ѭſ道

1:19 AM

"Less then", Wikipedia? Really? And I am not allowed to edit it? RAGEQUIT

4

Sonic The Hedgehog

1:35 AM

@Reg ROFL

for those who are bored...

nvm..

internet is horrible

takes 5 minutes to load one damned page

Cerberus

1:58 AM

@RegDwightѬſ道 Hahaha that is brilliant. You think they did that on purpose?

I do support the action, by the way.

The whole internet should go on strike.

Especially Facebook and Google, as they have so much to lose from these laws.

But, hey, I don't see that banner on Wikipedia?

Or is it a joke?

Cerberus

2:15 AM

Ah, so it is true.

Well, I'm glad.

Robusto

2:48 AM

@Cerberus — Word. This bullshit has to stop.

Cerberus

@Robusto SOPA/PIPA? Yes.

By the way, I've lost all my windows. You're the only thing I see.

Robusto

They are seriously working on 1984 here.

Cerberus

My XP profile is walking on its last legs.

Yes.

But Australia and Spain apparently have laws that are just as strict.

Spain's has just been passed, I heard.

If only Google and Facebook would join.

The three of them should send a letter to all the senators threatening to vote for this. They should tell them that they will all go down for 24 hours and put the names of those senators up as a replacement dummy page, mentioning the fact they support this bill.

I think I have suggested that before.

Okay, I have to reboot. Later!

Robusto

3:06 AM

@Cerberus — These are the same senators who just voted to abolish the Constitution's most basic protection for citizens, so I don't see how some technical thing they don't understand will prevent them from doing something godawfully retarded.

We desperately need a Xanatos Gambit against the forces of retardation.

Cerberus

3:31 AM

Haha, yes.

@Robusto But if the down-time "melts the telephones in Washington", as Jimmy W(h)ales puts it...

Robusto

@Cerberus — It won't.

I've tried calling my congressional representative and senators before. You go to voicemail. BFD.

Cerberus

Melt the voicemail, then.

Do you really think this would not make them afraid they will lose lots of votes?

I love Wikipedia. It alone seems willing to take a stand.

Perhaps G and F will follow.

Robusto

This whole thing is out of control. Government is not responsive to the people. Democrat or Republican, doesn't matter. We need a viable third party. One that doesn't suck in any of the ways the current two do.

Cerberus

Good idea.

First you need to get rid of the electors.

Or what are they.

Robusto

The electoral college? Sure, but that's not the issue. We need to get rid of the FUCKING LOBBYISTS.

> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,[74] that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

> — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Cerberus

3:37 AM

You need to start with proportional representation.

Robusto

@Cerberus — We have that, more or less. But everyone is in the pocket of the lobbyists.

Cerberus

That will result in more parties, which in turn will result in more choice, and, lastly, more freedom.

Robusto

It is out of control, completely.

Cerberus

The main problem is perhaps that money plays too big a part in politics.

Robusto

Duh.

Cerberus

3:39 AM

By the way, I am formatting C: as we speak.

You should do that too.

In politics.

Robusto

Why should I? Oh.

Cerberus

If Wilders ever becomes PM here, we shall have to do it too.

Robusto

Gary Johnson 2012.

Cerberus

Who?

Your independent candidate?

Robusto

garyjohnson2012.com/front

Cerberus

3:45 AM

Hmm, so he's libertarian.

Does that mean he wants to cancel Obama's healthcare reforms?

Robusto

Meh, I don't know. But he does want to get government out of the business of imprisoning its people for non-violent crimes, like drug use and the like.

Cerberus

Good.

But does he also want a small government in other matters?

Robusto

He's not perfect, but he's the only one talking about the serious issues that really matter right now.

Cerberus

OK.

Robusto

Anyway, snow tonight. Gotta get up early. TTYL.

Cerberus

3:51 AM

OK good luck.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

4:15 AM

@MetaEd That's a good question, and I don't have an answer for it. But there's no reason it can't be in the kernel AND secure. But... history shows that it's not secure. At least, it's had several exploits.

Are you awake, @Cerberus?

Cerberus

4:45 AM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Hi!

user19161

8:06 AM

@RegDwightѬſ道 Oh dear, I just learnt about this from you. I need my Wikipedia.

user19161

@Cerberus Er, I already know all of them.

Matt Эллен

11:00 AM

why teach a man to fish, when you can give him fish and make him dependent on you, then remove your support and watch him fail?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

No rhetorical questions in this chat.

Matt Эллен

oh really?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

You have to ask?

Matt Эллен

Are my actions a confluence of coincidences?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

12:07 PM

2

A: What is this kind of question known as?

Here's my answer- I don't believe that this is a grammatical thing; it's more social I suppose. Basically, when you ask somebody if you are annoying them it is NOT supposed to be because you know that you are already and they are NOT supposed to just say "no". When I ask somebody if I am annoying...

This question is a wreck.

how can it be fixed?

Not sure it can.

hmmm

More examples, better examples. That would be a start.

Matt Эллен

yes, the OP's example is quite contentious as to whether it is sincere or not

or if sincerity is important

RegDwight Ѭſ道

12:16 PM

He did try to clarify in comments. But I'm not sure he succeeded.

user19161

1:03 PM

@MattЭллен Thou shalt not be evil.

Matt Эллен

@WillHunting thou art not the boss of me

user19161

@MattЭллен I think I will change my name back after the 30 days, and I have also restored my blog.

user19161

@Robusto Very inspiring story. I feel encouraged.

Matt Эллен

Interesting. Do you have more to say?

user19161

@MattЭллен Not at the moment.

Matt Эллен

1:08 PM

Well, restoring the blog sounds like a positive step, so glad to hear it :)

user19161

What did you have for lunch?

Matt Эллен

sandwiches

user19161

I had fish, egg, and long beans for dinner.

Matt Эллен

are long beans long?

user19161

Not sure how long, but they are cut up so they come short.

Matt Эллен

1:10 PM

false advertising! ;)

user19161

It's more like a long tube with many beans in it.

user19161

Not sure if long beans is the correct name but I've always used it.

user19161

It's really a long tube of beans!

Matt Эллен

like this?

user19161

@MattЭллен Yes, I think so!

Matt Эллен

1:12 PM

that came from here

smithasspicyflavors.blogspot.com/2011/01/…

bbl w--k

RegDwight Ѭſ道

1:32 PM

@MattЭллен Hey, a picture of the Internet!

I knew it was a series of tubes, but not that they were going in circles.

Feb 23 '11 at 15:52, by Kosmonaut

JSBᾶngs

@RegDwightѬſ道 the internet is always going in circles. you should know that

RegDwight Ѭſ道

And now I do!

Robusto

Those beans put the fiber in fiber optics.

JSBᾶngs

@Reg any progress on killing grammar with fire?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

1:47 PM

I haven't even begun.

JSBᾶngs

remind me: do your godlike powers include the ability to nuke the tag from orbit?

i've been slowly retagging the backlog, but that'll take a long time

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Nope, only devs can blacklist.

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен "Smith Ass Pic Y Flavors"? You frequent some strange sites, my friend.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Yay Kit! We've got three wars on our hands...

Kitḫ

Um...I might can help with one bar.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

1:55 PM

Purple antichrist, pretty please.

Kitḫ

I'll see what I can do.

I have a progress meeting for my consulting job, so I'll see if I can sneak it in before that.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Meetings are overrated. Also, progress.

Kitḫ

But not pay, my friend. And that is what this meeting gets me.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

This meeting gets you underrated pay?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Good morning. Hopefully my work PC wont' crash today.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

1:57 PM

Famous last words.

Kitḫ

@RegDwightѬſ道 sigh It's depressing when you put it that way.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I am here to depress.

Kitḫ

I'm upping my rate for the next job.

And I'll still get underrated pay.

user19161

@RegDwightѬſ道 Also, seeing pencil marks.

user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 won't

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:02 PM

@WillHunting Tha'ts what I typed but the internet i'snt fast enough to keep up with me

RegDwight Ѭſ道

It's a series of beans, after all. Spilled ones at that.

user19161

I love Mr Bean.

user19161

There is a shop here called Mr Bean that sells soya bean drink, curd and other products.

user19161

And one called Bread Pitt that sells bread.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

It would be funnier if it were called Bread Pit.

user19161

2:05 PM

Yeah I wanted to tell them that too!

user19161

0

Q: On hand vs in hand vs at hand

What's the difference between the subject expressions? At hand seems to me as if you have something in reach. On hand is if you have something in stock. And in hand can be used as if you have more time at your disposal. I want to hear from you guys. Ideas?

common-expressions

user19161

Without fail he ends with ideas.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Without fail he doesn't use the tags I taught him to use.

Kitḫ

I'm surprised he didn't start with "Question:"

Robusto

Brad Pitt's more aggressive brother is named Mosh.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

2:07 PM

Moshi-moshi?

Robusto

Hai. Robusuto desu.

Kitḫ

Spent. Did what I could.

Wo?

Man.

@RegDwightѬſ道 Wie?

2:09 PM

Jul 17 '11 at 15:59, by RegDwight

Well, I can also use meri-kurisumasu on J'Lo.

J'Lo is dead.

Wait what?

Well, moribund.

Mori-kurisumasu?

Mori = forest in Japanese. You sure that's what you're going for?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

2:11 PM

Bund = alliance in German. Also, belt. You sure that's what you're going for?

Robusto

I'd prefer a bundt cake.

Kitḫ

Mmm. Bundt cake.

user19161

@Robusto Also depends on which JLO you are talking about.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Willy Bundt?

@WillHunting Noöne is talking about you.

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 — Willy Loman?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

2:12 PM

Lilly Woman?

user19161

@RegDwightѬſ道 I am Will. Robusto is Legend.

Robusto

It's Lily Women, by Louisa May Alcott.

@WillHunting I.am.will. Will.i.am.

Matt Эллен

little swimmin?

user19161

Since Will=Legend, I=Robusto. QED.

Kitḫ

Damn it. QED is for concluding an argument. That is not an argument!

Robusto

2:14 PM

This free association shit isn't really free. It's somewhat taxing.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

So on the meadow outside of my office, some folks in suits are reenacting a steeplechase or something. There's a guy with a photo camera, too.

Is this what the world looks like when Wikipedia goes TO THE GROUND?

Matt Эллен

yes

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 And the worst part is, you won't even be able to look it up on Wikipedia.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Pfft. I will build my own Wikipedia, with Black Jack and hookers.

Robusto

@Kitḫ — Can you state that conclusively?

@RegDwightѬſ道 Why do you need Black Jack?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:16 PM

@RegDwightѬſ道 Did you put it in your lunar lander?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Robusto I don't need it.

I can stop anytime.

Robusto

Uh-huh.

In typical "noun + hookers" combinations, the noun isn't really necessary.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

What about atypical ones?

Robusto

It depends.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Like "bulldozer + hookers". Or "Adenosinetriphosphate + hookers".

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:19 PM

It also depends on if you catch the Futurama reference or not.

Matt Эллен

oxygen, water and hookers

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 You only really need the hookers in those constructions.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Oxygen-ref?

Matt Эллен

is it?

Robusto

@MattЭллен — I'd see how far you can go without the oxygen and water first.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

2:20 PM

@MattЭллен More to the point, is it not?

Kitḫ

You only really need the hookers. Ha ha ha.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Well why pretend that he could stop.

Matt Эллен

@Robusto depends how far you can fire me from a trebuchet

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Seven. I can fire you seven far from a trebuchet.

Kitḫ

No, Reg, eight.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

2:21 PM

You must be joking.

Robusto

It's the heartbreak of satyriasis. Millions of men are afflicted, yet no charity yet exists with this growing problem.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

That's OVER 7!!!

user19161

@MattЭллен That seems like a font name.

user19161

@RegDwightѬſ道 Over 9000!

Robusto

@MattЭллен If you want to see how far I can fire you from a trebuchet, just start messing with my hookers.

Matt Эллен

2:21 PM

@WillHunting I think it might be

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto did you see the article I linked yesterday?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Bless this mess with hookers.

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 That was hilarious.

Robusto

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Was it a, an, or the?

Kitḫ

I read it to my husband.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:22 PM

@Robusto yes

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Robusto It was dem.

Kitḫ

un

RegDwight Ѭſ道

That's a preposition, sweetie.

Kitḫ

Shit.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

That's a noun.

user19161

2:23 PM

No shitting in chat.

Matt Эллен

die

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 Dem is not an article. It's some German perversion of an article. Real articles don't take the dative case.

Kitḫ

There. Erased it.

Robusto

Hey, you got shit on your eraser.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Robusto What about unreal articles?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:24 PM

17 hours ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Btw everyone should read this short article about how not to present scientific findings

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 Das ist Unsinn.

Matt Эллен

imaginary articles!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Dec 13 '11 at 19:47, by RegDwight Ѭſ道

Kitḫ

Unreal tournaments!

Robusto

@MattЭллен What is the square root of an imaginary article?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

2:24 PM

Seven!

Robusto

No. It's OVER 9000!!!

user19161

A non-real complex number.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Robusto Nah, that's the square root of the imaginary article.

Out-of-context quote of the day:

Dec 13 '11 at 19:45, by Cerberus

Okay I shot my load. It was not a big success: lost most of it.

Kitḫ

titter

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 — Why bring in Austrians to do your dirty work?

user19161

2:26 PM

Seriously the Wikipedia protest is not going to achieve anything.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Robusto Because you are running out of Mexicans?

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 — Note to @Cerberus: Most guys don't care at that point.

@RegDwightѬſ道 We are not running out. The Mexicans are running in. It's a matter of perspective.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Vote Romney!

Robusto

It's about time we had a president whose first name rhymes with shit.

Actually, his second name.

His first name rhymes with Millard. And we already had one of those.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Nothing tops Bush and Dick.

user19161

2:28 PM

@RegDwightѬſ道 Now I am not sure what load he is talking about.

Robusto

And, as usual, Bush is on the bottom.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@WillHunting Oh, now you are not sure? Not the fastest gun in the West, are you?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@WillHunting the wikipedia protest, and all the other media attention, likely have achieved something already; it now looks like the White House would veto SOPA.

user19161

@Robusto That's also my preferred position.

Robusto

@MrShinyandNew安宇 — Don't bet the ranch on that. Obama said he would veto S. 1867 as well, and look what happened.

@WillHunting I never thought I'd say this on any chat anywhere, but ... TMI, dude!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:31 PM

@Robusto yeah, I know. sad. But still, it's more hopeful.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yeah and then they will bundle it with some other act, like Every Child Left Behind, or Let's Build More Guantanamos, and it will pass faster than anything Einstein could have calculated.

Kitḫ

@RegDwightѬſ道 If we don't do it, the terrorists will win.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwightѬſ道 perhaps.

user19161

@RegDwightѬſ道 Einstein probably sucks at arithmetic.

Robusto

@Kitḫ If we don't abandon our Constitution and blow ourselves up, the terrorists will win. Also, give ourselves plague and herpes and shit.

user19161

2:33 PM

Today is full of shit. Everyone is saying shit in chat.

Robusto

Kit went one better, actually taking a shit in chat.

user19161

This room is getting very smelly now.

Kitḫ

@Robusto Hey, if you want herpegonasyphillaids, you terrorist socialist, you go right ahead and move to Canada!

Robusto

@WillHunting Just detach the nose tube from your Internetz.

@Kitḫ But in Canada I get health care to deal with it.

Kitḫ

@Robusto Socialist!

Robusto

2:36 PM

@Kitḫ Mwuhahaha!

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ Antisocialist!

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен Terrorist!

Robusto

This is becoming The Antisocial Network.

Kitḫ

bbl

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ somnambulist

cya @kit :)

user19161

2:40 PM

-5

Q: How would we react if it were any different from the Wiki we knew?

This note was put up recently and maybe, already noticed by everyone by now. In less than 21 hours, the English Wikipedia will be blacked out globally to protest SOPA and PIPA. Sue Gardner of Wikimedia Foundation put up a note saying the Wikipedia community announced its decision to black...

grammaticality

user19161

What was he thinking?

user19161

Maybe he just wanted some fun.

Matt Эллен

I don't understand the question

the title doesn't seem to match the body

user19161

Either for fun or clearly a real nutcase.

Matt Эллен

apart from right at the end where he repeats the title

user19161

2:41 PM

@MattЭллен The title is in the last line of the body though.

Matt Эллен

jinx!

user19161

Jinx.

user19161

Meta-jinx.

MetaEd

Did somebody say meta?

user19161

@MetaEd Jinx is said here when someone says something before you do. Meta-jinx is said here when someone says jinx before you do. But I may have gotten it wrong myself.

MetaEd

2:48 PM

That's how "jinx" works in Texas. It's usually followed by "You owe me a coke."

user19161

@MetaEd Sometimes we post a coke picture here too!

Matt Эллен

@MetaEd the "you owe me a coke" is implied here

MetaEd

My wife never gives me the coke, and she always says, "you owe me a Dr. Pepper".

Matt Эллен

Apr 14 '11 at 13:33, by JSBangs

jinx