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3:04 AM
@snailboat Thanks, Snails!
 
Anonymous
3:21 AM
@CowperKettle There's a big section in CGEL on attributive genitives that explains when they're possible, if you're interested :-)
 
Anonymous
Starting on p.469.
 
3:37 AM
I haven't written for all of spring break and now I'm slow and inefficient at it.
:(((((((
())))))))
 
Anonymous
4:04 AM
(Gotta keep those parentheses balanced! :-)
 
8:38 AM
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Q: "Contemptuous bastard", doesn't it sound rude?

StudentI've come across 'the grim reaper is gone' and been surprised to encounter that they have put contemptuous bastard in the article: "This contemptuous bastard of a man has overseen “welfare reforms” that would have made Thatcher blush – from the changing of the Disability Living Allowance to ...

There is one vote to re-open.
I'm not sure if I should re-open.
On one hand, a dictionary macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/bastard marks the word as offensive.
On the other hand, it's not easy to decide what is rude and what's not.
(Skill level, context, intention, and so on.)
 
8:51 AM
I'm not sure why this was migrated, as it is a duplicate of “My brother or one of my sisters— singular or plural?”, where there are comprehensive answers. The title should be 'verb agreement after disjunction in compound subject'. — Edwin Ashworth 11 hours ago
Moral of the story: we could try harder to find a duplicate before any migration.
Word of the Day: occiput
 
 
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10:02 AM
boo
 
o_O
 
(ノ"^◡^)
 
¿ⓧ_ⓧﮌ
 
Hi!
 
10:11 AM
Hi!
 
@DamkerngT. 2. The statement made by the writer (a) / appears to be incorrect (b) / as Gandhiji was not born in Ahmedabad. (c) / No error (d), Do you think section A has any error. I was thinking that we must use was there but answer key says it's okay and answer is option d. @ShadowWizard
 
No. The sentence is fine as is.
Search for whiz-deletion.
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A: What is a noun modifying clause?

John LawlerThe term you probably want in this case is Relative Clause. There are other kinds of adjective clauses (i.e, noun-modifying clauses), but relatives are by far the most common and the most complex. In particular, relative clauses, like many subordinate clauses, are subject to a variety of deletion...

 
 
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11:32 AM
I interpret "opinion out of the house" as meaning "outside of the house", ie public opinion rather than the opinion of the elected representatives. — JavaLatte 3 mins ago
Hmm... maybe I should re-read that book again. It was the second example I found. I simply thought it was easier to understand and less controversial than the first one.
> The main scope intended from the preceding allegations, namely, That the Soul's living and acting after death is no Pagan opinion out of Plato, but a Christian Truth evidenced out of the Scriptures.
 
12:01 PM
A quick re-read makes me think my first impression was correct (that the "opinion out of the House" = the "opinion from the House" (as given to the public)).
But the context is too complicated, and it could kill the "fun" out of my reading, so I'd better leave it at that. :D
 
12:21 PM
To "own" a new word, use the word often, use it constantly, use it in different ways. To "own" a known-but-not-mastered-yet word, use it more often, use it more constantly, use it in more different ways. BTW, isn't this off-topic? — Damkerng T. 23 secs ago
 
 
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1:27 PM
Herro.
 
Hallow!
 
hello!
Hallo!
 
One of my EL&U answers seems to have gone down slightly the wrong way.
 
Try a spoonful of sugar.
 
2:00 PM
@JohnClifford Believe it or not, I think the OP was thinking of a word that doesn't exist in English, because it's probably not as common in Western cultures.
 
@DamkerngT. It's more that people are downvoting saying that the silent treatment can't be mutual, which to me is silly.
 
I think silent treatment is okay, but in Asian countries, sometimes kids do this: งอน
It implies not talking to each other, but it's more than that. I could be wrong about my guess, though.
งอน is close to sulk
It could be different in the other parts of Asia. In the Far East, they would make a face with pouty lips (a duck face?) and stop talking to each other. (Fight or no fight.)
 
2:22 PM
lol
Is "L" silent in "Almond"?
 
Depends on the region.
Some dialects pronounce it, some don't.
 
in strict English?
what rhymes with orange?
 
You make it sound like there is only one true English.
 
:D
nah
I mean British or American English
 
2:38 PM
Hmm... disarming is an interesting word. I don't think we have a word for it in my first language.
 
Do you have "arm" as in equip with a weapon?
 
Yes, we do.
But disarming as a character of a person, ... I don't think we have it.
 
2:53 PM
0
A: What does y mean in tty?

InazumaThe origin of TTY in Unix is from teletype terminals Source - Unix.SE However for future reference, this probably is out of the scope of ELL (or even English Language and Usage) as it requires too much specialist knowledge.

Interesting that Unix.SE is used as a reference.
I feel a bit awkward that they say "tty" is for "teletype terminals" (rather than just "teletype").
 
Teletypewriter @DamkerngT.
 
No, it was just teletype.
Or a teletype machine.
But really, "tty" is only for "teletype".
 
The title says "teleprinter", even.
 
But teletypewriter is included :)
 
3:05 PM
In my opinion, it's better not to treat Wikipedia as an etymology reference source.
@Student Yes, so is teletype.
 
I assume we can use both :D
 
Yes, the problem is not what we call it, but what "tty" stands for.
 
Who wrote it?
 
Anyway, computer is not my field :) You can't check on that link @DamkerngT.?
 
3:10 PM
Just because someone wrote it on the internet doesn't always make it correct. -- Actually, it's usually the opposite.
@Student I'm on my iPad, and I'm on other things.
 
We shouldn't trust it either @DamkerngT.? :) askubuntu.com/questions/481906/what-does-tty-stand-for/482244
Good night from Indo!
 
Unless the writer is at least forty or fifty something ans know how it happened when it started.
@Student Isn't that piece of code of an early version of UNIX interesting? ;-)
Simply trusting everything written on the web, especially on SE, when the cited source is not solid can be harmful.
 
4:49 PM
0
Q: Why do people use "I've been + name" instead of "I am + name"?

Joao ArrudaI have watched many interviews and talk shows in English and in many of them, when the host is saying goodbye, they say "I've been Xxxx Xxxxxx and this is The Talk Show X!" Why do they say "I've been..." when they can perfectly say "I am..."? Is there a rule for this or is this just popular...

Interesting.
It sounds familiar. Maybe I've heard something like that before. But I guess it's not very common. (Or maybe it is! on the radio?)
 
Anonymous
Yeah, we had a question about it before, but it didn't really get a satisfactory answer.
 
Anonymous
I hope someone writes an answer naming this the Radio Show Perfect. — snailboat Jul 21 '15 at 19:24
 
Oh, you're so fast!
I was still trying to figure out how to search for it!
 
I sometimes do that on my radio show
 
Oh, you have a radio show? Cool!
 
4:55 PM
"I've been Red Dog, and you've been listening to In the Kennel."
Yep.
I DJ on my local community radio station.
 
Anonymous
Write a good answer on either question, and we can close the other as a dupe :-)
 
@JohnClifford Is it on the internet as well?
 
Anonymous
We can't close either one as a dupe right now because they only have bad answers.
 
Yeah, we have a website. We're online-only at the moment.
 
Yay! Link, please! ;-)
 
Thanks!
 
Good evening, @snailboat!
Good evening, @DamkerngT.!
 
Evening!
 
I don't think I have any current shows up yet as they're still in the editing stage.
 
This is a [both natural and powerful] thing = This is [both a natural and a powerful]] thingJohn Lawler Jun 22 '15 at 14:31
I really have problem with a both natural and powerful thing. Isn't both a predeterminer? and hence should come before a?
 
4:59 PM
@JohnClifford I tried to look for In the Kennel, but to no avail.
 
Yeah, they must not be up yet.
I'm waiting for one I recorded the other night to be sent to me so I can edit and upload it.
 
BTW, clicking NOW PLAYING just shows a spinning icon!
@JohnClifford Yay!
 
Man, that is one cringe-inducing edit history.
 
I'm glad that it was edited.
 
5:02 PM
\o all
 
Evening, Muhammad!
 
Anonymous
Hillo, @IͶΔ!
 
|o
 
Anonymous
Good morning, @CowperKettle!
 
Hah! Hillo!!!
 
5:03 PM
@snailboat Top of the morning to you, lady! (0:
> sobh bekheir صبح بخير
(in Persian)
 
@CowperKettle Mornin'
 
"Sobh" is so very much like the Hindi "Subh"
But "good evening" is Asr be kheyr! عصر بخیر
 
@CowperKettle Oh, that one from Arabic too?
 
I see, "be kheyr" is good.
@IͶΔ I dunno. Maybe from PIE?
 
 
5:06 PM
@IͶΔ Nice.
 
BTW, the announcement of the program Britain's Got Talent sounds really like Britain's Got Thailand!
This doesn't happen with America's Got Talent.
 
@DamkerngT. Are they hugging you guys?
 
Not really, but sometimes I hear the ad like that!
 
Britain's Got Thailand! If you want to see Thailand again, bring £10,000 in a brown paper bag to this location...
 
LOL
 
5:14 PM
But which location? Iran?
If Britain has hugged Thailand, it means they're somewhere in between now.
 
Anonymous
🐳
 
No, they can't be in the US!
 
Anonymous
🐳?
 
5:31 PM
Since I wrote that "Don't answer VTC'able questions" meta post I tend to read how many answers the question has got when I'm putting my vote on. Out of the 150-something reviews since then, only 5 were 0 answers.
 
@IͶΔ What kind of vote did you cast? Close votes or up votes?
 
CV
You can't up/down-vote in CV reviewing.
 
So, in 145 of 150 reviews, there are more than one answer?
 
No, either one answer or more.
Anything other than 0 answers.
 
I take it that you think it's an improvement.
 
5:37 PM
Uh, what's a word for reverse improvement?
Out of the past 150 closed questions, only 5 had no answers.
 
Getting worse?
 
Hmm.
 
A worsening.
You should post it as a single-word-request on EL&U.
 
Haha!
 
But make sure you include your research or I'll closevote it.
 
5:38 PM
(/¯◡ ‿ ◡)/¯ ~ ┻━┻
@JohnClifford You won't dare
ಠ_ಠ
 
Hey, if a question deserves closevoting, I'm gonna do it. :P
 
BRB voting to close all of the questions on the front page
 
Aww
 
Hahaha
Hey INA, I'm curious to hear your opinion on my answer in EL&U that Joe Blow was weighing in on, if you don't mind.
 
Joe Blows.
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Q: Difference between reflexive pronouns and by + reflexive pronouns

t0re199I'd like to know what's the difference between for example myself and by myself. it would be great if you made some example to be easier to understand. Thank you everyone.

Noice title from a first-timer.
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Q: "that if she did not make him look good"

bart-leby"On other occasions she said — and I found her to be believable having worked with so many domestic violence victims — that if she did not make him look good to the Netflix documentarians, well, it was basically 'do it, or else.' I've met women who would practically do anything than take another ...

Crappy title from an upper-intermediate learner and avid ELL asker.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
5:42 PM
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Q: What is it called when two people refuse to talk to each other?

Mohammad SaneiWhat is it called when two people (usually kids) stop talking for a while after a fight or an argument because they are mad at each other?

 
@JohnClifford Linky?
IS THAT A META POST? LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF COMMENTS
+1 to answer since that'd exactly what I'd've used.
 
@IͶΔ It's a discussion thread.
 
Never before have I come across someone who fights so hard for "silent treatment" not being capable of being bidirectional.
Thanks much for the +1. :)
 
I wonder what they think about "talk to". :D
 
BUT YOU CAN'T SAY DUELLERS ARE SHOOTING EACH OTHER SO YOUR ANSWER IS WRONG
 
5:46 PM
I've seen that guy in some meta posts. He likes to be downvoted from everyone else.
Only that he'd make a very bad troll, so he's not a troll.
 
Yeah.
 
i downvoted because the 'silent treatment' is what one person gives another, when the other person wants to communicate. Two people don't give each other the silent treatment, instead they are 'not talking' or 'not speaking'. — Steve Ives 10 hours ago
You didn't capitalize "i". Your argument is invalid.
 
Hahaha
 
Sadly it seems Joe Blow's . . . more interesting comments have been nuked. I rest my case.
 
Wait, really? I haven't read them since the last one.
 
5:50 PM
His previous comments.
 
I see people saying "Joe Blow ಠ_ಠ" inb4 his first comment I can see.
 
Yeah, you're right. Most of them are gone.
I win!
 
Oh, my!
 
6:11 PM
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Q: What does y mean in tty?

it_is_a_literatureIn linux man tty - print the file name of the terminal connected to standard input. Maybe the first t is terminal the second t is to of connected to ,what does y mean here?

@Snail I think we're gonna turn into a "abbreviation/acronym expansion request" rather than a SWR site like ELU.
 
> "Life is a waste of time, and time is a waste of life. Get wasted all the time, and you'll have the time of your life!"
 
Anonymous
Teletype was coined from tele- + typewriter, but I don't think teletypewriter was ever more common than teletype.
 
6:37 PM
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Q: Which is correct, "The carpenter repaired the legs of the tables" or "The carpenter repaired legs of the tables"

Sayakiss The carpenter repaired the legs of the tables. The carpenter repaired legs of the tables. It's a quiz from my grammar book(written in Chinese), and it claims the legs of the tables is correct because of the tables modified legs which we should use the in that case. I'm not so sure, if ...

Aww... I guessed the OP wrong!
For some reason, I thought all interesting article usage questions must be posted by CowperKettle! :-)
 
(ノ^◡^)ノ︵ ┻━┻
 
Anonymous
Aww, that's some cute table flipping you've got going on there :-)
 
( ^◡^)
(I modded it!)
 
7:03 PM
CC @Snail @Dam
 
@IͶΔ Now you roll. :P
 
Chemical rotation requires energy.
 
 
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8:44 PM
0
Q: Why does "to lift the law" actually mean to revoke it?

Denis Kulagin After being defeated in several lower court rulings and suffering large financial losses, the city of Montgomery lifted the law mandating segregated public transportation. From the context I can deduct that to lift means to cancel/to revoke. Why is it so? It doesn't seem logical to me, as in...

Hmm... I like to think simpler.
We are under the law. If a law is lifted, it's gone.
 
 
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10:38 PM
@DamkerngT. I'll try to learn verbal tenses for once. Find patterns and stop complaining too <-<
 
I root for you! ( ^◡^)
 
Anonymous
@Kurzd I recommend exposing yourself to as much natural English usage as possible and paying attention to how English speakers put words together.
 
Anonymous
I don't know precisely what you mean when you say 'tenses' because different people mean different things when they say things like that. Right now I'm assuming you mean different constructions like "have been V-ing" and "will have V-ed" and so on.
 
Anonymous
Linguists put together descriptions of patterns, but you can't just memorize a bunch of rules. You have to learn by example.
 
@snailboat I think I'm getting enough exposure to English speakers. I just can't tell what inverted perfect future is and such.
 
Anonymous
10:48 PM
If you mean something else by 'tenses', let me know and I'll adjust my response :-)
 
Anonymous
@Kurzd Me either. Never heard of it :-)
 
You actually did. Once. But that's a silly argument to have.
 
Anonymous
Ah, no, that's not correct.
 
Anonymous
You could say "Now you have".
 
Anonymous
But when I say I've never heard of it, what I'm expressing is that up to this point, I haven't been exposed to that term.
 
Anonymous
10:50 PM
My (elliptical) sentence was true when I said it.
 
Anonymous
Your point is not actually technically correct.
 
Anonymous
We can explore why it isn't, if we care.
 
It gives me problems tbh. It's literal meaning isn't quite its implied meaning.
But it's easy to adjust to it
 
Anonymous
Well, what's the relevant concept of "now"? Is it a single point in time, the exact moment when I said it?
 
Anonymous
Or does it encompass more of our discussion, having some duration?
 
Anonymous
10:56 PM
At the point I said "Never heard of it", I would say "I'm just hearing about it now".
 
There's an infinite amount of 'now', each an exact point in time. Unless there isn't.
 
Anonymous
My concept of "now" extended to include what you said as well.
 
Anonymous
Well, I'm talking about how it's conceptualized linguistically and how that's encoded in English speech.
 
Anonymous
You can come up with any definition you like, but the relevant one is the one that helps us predict how the English language is used.
 
Anonymous
Anyway, most English verb group constructions don't have names. There's just too many ways to put them together.
 
Anonymous
10:58 PM
So I wouldn't worry too much about memorizing names for them, if that's what you mean.
 
Anonymous
If you're already getting enough exposure naturally, and you can already adjust to craziness like "Never heard of it", you should be good without that baggage :-)
 
Anonymous
That was what you asked the other day, right? Something about memorization and tenses.
 
Anonymous
(The definition I use for 'tense' admits exactly two tenses, by the way: present and past. I'm only guessing at which definition you're using.)
 
I'll rather have a spreadsheet in case I forget any fancy name. Makes me feel a bit safer.
I mean all that "Past Perfect Continuous" jazz.
Yes, that's what the question was about
 
Anonymous
Ah, I guessed correctly! Phew :-) I know that learners are sometimes taught that things like the "past perfect continuous" are "tenses", so I guessed based on that.
 
11:03 PM
Do natives have another?
 
Anonymous
Linguists, rather.
 
Anonymous
Native speakers of English generally don't know what tenses are.
 
Anonymous
We barely teach our native speakers anything about grammar :-)
 
Anonymous
A lot of native speakers, though, think there are three tenses: future, present, and past.
 
Anonymous
Linguists would say that the "continuous" is a kind of aspect, not a tense.
 
11:06 PM
The continuous, as in "not six of them"?
 
Anonymous
Well, you can combine the continuous aspect with the present tense: I am walking.
 
Anonymous
And you can call the resulting combination the present continuous, if you like. (I use the term "progressive" instead of "continuous", but that doesn't really matter.)
 
Anonymous
But I think of them more as pieces you can put together.
 
Anonymous
So there's just one continuous auxiliary, be, and it's followed by the -ing form of the verb. Walk becomes is walking, walked becomes was walking.
 
That sounds quite reasonable
 
Anonymous
11:09 PM
So you just have to learn how the pieces fit together and in what order.
 
Anonymous
The auxiliaries always go in the same order: modal (will, can, may, might, etc.), perfect auxiliary (have), continuous auxiliary (be), passive auxiliary (be), and then the main verb.
 
Anonymous
And auxiliaries affect the form of the following verb, so the continuous be changes the next verb to the -ing form.
 
Anonymous
And so on.
 
Anonymous
So if you use all four auxiliary slots at the same time, you get something like will have been being taken.
 
Anonymous
But it's very unusual to try to put all four together like that :-)
 
11:13 PM
I don't recall a phrase with all four auxiliary
 
Anonymous
They've only started to occur in the last century of English usage.
 
Anonymous
They're still quite uncommon.
 
Does adding all four give the verb a meaning that was unattainable in the past?
 
Anonymous
That's a very good question, and I don't have a good answer for you. In general, though, the range of continuous constructions has been increasing as the English language evolves.
 
will have been (being verben)? I think it's for something will have been (being) done later from now.
 
Anonymous
11:19 PM
Don't forget about other auxiliaries. Might have been being V-ed for example.
 
Anonymous
(I'm writing -ed because that's the regular past participle suffix, but your convention of -en works too :-)
 
extending his "ESL" grammar framework to cover tenses and aspects based on dichotomies in English: here-there, near-far, done-not-done...
@snailboat Verb, vordt, vorben! :P
← special skill: can use English as if he were an extra terrestrial. :-)
 
Anonymous
I actually like writing -en because -ed is ambiguous (since there's no distinction between the past tense and past participle for regular verbs), but it does seem a little weird since only a minority of verbs use -en.
 
nods -- I remember that StoneyB likes -en too.
 
Anonymous
But that's a good reason to use irregular verb forms in your examples, like taken.
 
11:27 PM
For a moment, that verben seemed like German.
 
Anonymous
Well, that's not a coincidence :-)
 
Anonymous
Compare English spoke, spoken to German sprach, gesprochen.
 
I know Volkswagen!
 
Anonymous
Hehe :-)
 
11:45 PM
Hah! Spock has passed away! I really missed the news!
 
Anonymous
Yes, it was very sad :-(
 
Anonymous
I'll always remember him for The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins.
 

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