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Bob
12:00 AM
My latency to the US is lower than Europe
 
Interesting
I have very little clue how the internet works on the other side of the world
 
in PHP on Stack Overflow Chat, 48 secs ago, by EnglishMaster
@choz Sorry, I can't barely speak English. I bought this account on Ebay
 
LOL
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq It asks for a keypair for Windows anyway
Whoops. Looks like Windows doesn't like EBS < 30 GB
:\
> Please wait at least 4 minutes after launching an instance before trying to retrieve the auto-generated password.
:S
:S :S
> In order to retrieve your password you will need to specify the path of this Key Pair on your local machine
 
@tereško Hmm. Selling accounts is against the T&Cs
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Q: Selling Stack Overflow accounts

MysteryI was just asked if I was willing to sell my Stack Overflow account. Of course, I won't agree to do this, but I was just wondering if there is any official rule regarding this. Do you guys pretty much hand off our accounts to us for us to do with them as we please? Or is there an official guid...

 
Anonymous
12:13 AM
@tereško "EnglishMaster"
 
Anonymous
fokin' lol m8
 
it's likely a troll
 
@tereško Please don't mention that word in this room ;)
 
Bob
s/troll/joke/
 
huh ?!
 
Anonymous
12:17 AM
@DavidPostill hey that's trolleism. I'm getting a CM in here to suspend you for discrimination.
 
Anonymous
We trolls are humans just like you
 
Uh, what's going on?
Seems to be a joke, but I hope there isn't a dispute here...
 
@bwDraco No dispute. I asked tereško not to mention the word troll ...
Given our recent fly-by issues ...
 
Anonymous
@bwDraco yes, it is a joke. Though I didn't think I'd have to explicitly explain it was one.
 
12:39 AM
Stack Exchange accounts on Ebay coming soon, you heard it here first.
That's just too funny.
Having to restore a database on a Sunday evening is not funny though.
I hate my life
Man my rep velocity was sick last week.
30 to 131 in 1 day.. Boing
Related to work tonight.
Havin' Fun?!? YEEEAHHH How about another one? Another one... YEEEEAAAH!
 
 
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1:54 AM
Anyone have the keys to the SE nuke launch system? We have a need for them
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A: Is there a keyboard shortcut to highlight the selected text in MS Word 2007?

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Voted to delete and flagged as very low quality.
 
Anonymous
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Preparing to submit screenshot to GFSE...
 
GFSE?
is that SE's spy agency?
 
GemsFromStackExchange, a Tumblr feed run by Sathya.
 
1:57 AM
Ahhh
 
Question protected as well.
!!/wat
 
!!/learn oksmiley <>http://i.stack.imgur.com/ISs60.png
 
@bwDraco Command oksmiley learned
 
I think we have moved into the Phase 2 of Comic Book Movies, where a good majority will not be PG-13
Deadpool has earned 300 million
That is really really impressive
 
2:10 AM
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Still LMAO.
 
neato picture finally updated. It took about 20 minutes for it to propogate across the network though.
 
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Can't stop laughing.
 
Anonymous
2:41 AM
@Dave nice pic, shame it's overexposed tho
 
3:05 AM
Did Bob fix it?
!!info oksmiley
 
@qasdfdsaq Command oksmiley, created by bwDraco on Mon, 07 Mar 2016 02:09:09 GMT
 
!!oksmiley
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq Fix what?
 
@Bob Your server
 
Bob
3:06 AM
The ZFS?
Oh. Pool is fine.
I'm in there now from Ubuntu live.
But I need to get the deb install back up...
It took forever to load the damn iso
 
Ah, still trying to get it to boot again?
Is this the first time you've done a pool upgrade?
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq I think so, yea.
 
Hmm. Wonder if this sort of breakage is... normal
 
Bob
I more or less haven't touched ZFS since installation. Well, not the kernel modules anyway.
 
Built yourself or from PPA?
 
Bob
3:08 AM
@qasdfdsaq From ZoL's debian repo.
I don't run Ubuntu
 
Oh there's a repo now?
Ah
 
Bob
(just using it for recovery cause Debian live images don't support boot from UEFI)
@qasdfdsaq There's been for at least a year, I think. Probably longer.
 
Mine update themselves once in a while. The kernel modules and SPL anyway. Pool itself... I think I'm deliberately running an older version because I'm stupid and paranoid
 
Bob
I haven't actually done a pool upgrade.
I haven't touched the pool.
It was just the kernel modules that upgraded.
 
Oh?
Interesting, I thought you upgraded the pool version cause you were talking about it last week maybe?
 
Bob
3:09 AM
Pool is fine and alive. I can see everything in there.
@qasdfdsaq I was talking about maybe upgrading it, but then decided it was risk for no gain :P
 
Never had an update of ZFS itself break the system but again I don't boot from the pool.
 
Bob
I'm already past the legacy pool versions.
 
Heh, you decided not to take the risk and it broke anyway
 
Bob
I'm at the point where it's feature upgrades - so I can basically enable them whenever I need them.
 
Weird it's the first time you've had an update though. Mine update every 2-3 months AFAIK
 
Bob
3:11 AM
@qasdfdsaq It's more that it's the first reboot
...I think
 
Hmm.
 
Bob
Ok. I still have a clean snapshot.
I wonder if I could just copy the kernel and initramfs off the snapshot...
that should get me back into debian, albeit with an older kernel
 
> The following packages will be upgraded:
apt apt-transport-https apt-utils base-files biosdevname cpp-4.8 g++-4.8
...
python3-software-properties software-properties-common spl spl-dkms
systemd-services sysv-rc sysvinit-utils udev zfs-dkms zfs-doc zfsutils
Another set of ZFS updates since my last update and reboot.
> root@qasdf-servage:/home/qasdfdsaq# uptime
03:12:58 up 57 days, 7:01, 1 user, load average: 0.25, 0.60, 0.73
Which wasn't even that long ago.
 
Bob
 
I really need to sort out some automatic snapshotting
 
Bob
3:15 AM
same :P
 
> root@qasdf-servage:/home/qasdfdsaq# zfs list -t snapshot
NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT
seagate-64t@2014-05-01.09:43 409K - 690K -
seagate-64t@2014-10-03.14:46 358K - 792K -
seagate-64t@2015-05-25-23:54 Post-Snapshot 256K - 818K -
seagate-64t@temp1 256K - 818K -
seagate-64t@Backup.2015-06-14.01:52 383K - 844K -
And so on it goes....
Slowlaris at least had automatic snapshotting built in.
That was awesome
Automatically kept hourly, daily, weekly, monthly, etc. and pruned them as it went.
I'd have to write like, at least 20 lines of bash script to do that myself
And it would still be super kludgy
 
Bob
> The program systemd-nspawn is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: apt-get install systemd
wot.
I was reasonably certain that Ubuntu 15.10 was a systemd release.
 
ubuntu live? Which version?
Ah
 
Bob
crap.
I might have to fall back to chroot
which isn't ideal for this
 
I knew they were dropping systemd somewhere between 14.04 LTS and 16.04 LTS... Never actually use the intermediate releases myself
 
Bob
3:18 AM
Wait. dropping systemd?
wtf are they using now?
 
Or was it upstart
 
@Bob Upstart, if I'm not mistaken.
 
Bob
> If you are running Ubuntu vivid (15.04), you can easily switch between upstart and systemd at will since both packages are installed at present. As of March 9 2015, vivid was changed to use systemd by default, before that upstart was the default.
 
They were moving from something to something else
 
Bob
@bwDraco Upstart was the old one.
 
3:19 AM
Odd.
 
Yeah my brain isn't working right today
 
Bob
Might have something to do with it being 3 AM
 
3 hours ago, by Bob
@qasdfdsaq Good point. I'm not braining well today.
 
Bob
urk. chroot it is.
 
Or you're just contagious
 
Bob
3:20 AM
possibly.
I wonder how much ec2 has cost me so far
probably mostly networking charges
 
Even the highest instances are only a few dollars per hour
I did once manage to get a box with multiple Tesla cards and 16 CPU cores all to myself for less than $0.01
Yay for pricing mishaps.
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq Yea. Spot m3.medium was something like 0.05
I just bid 0.1 so the chance of losing it is minuscule :P
 
Surprised you haven't managed to get hold of quixy yet
 
Bob
haven't really tried
I'm already neck deep here
 
Spot instances can be shut down without warning. Be sure your application is designed to cope with sudden termination of the underlying VM.
 
Bob
3:23 AM
@bwDraco ...yes, I am very aware of that, thanks.
 
...or a two-minute warning, it seems.
 
I'm surprised neither of us has mentioned using an OVH cloud instance yet :-P
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq Can those be started/stopped on demand?
 
Yeah
 
Bob
dammit
probably should've done that
would probably be faster too
 
3:24 AM
They've been pushing cloud services to compete with the likes of EC2 quite hard a few months ago.
Probably because nobody ever thinks of them
 
Bob
0.221/hour
costs a fair bit more
 
I participated in the beta a few years back
 
Bob
but it's within their network so the ipmi iso sharing should be faster
 
It was like $2 a month for the bottom end ones then
 
3:25 AM
Be sure your application checks every few seconds and closes gracefully once it detects that the instance is about to shut down.
 
> 2 vCores x 2.4 GHz
30 GB RAM 200 GB
HA block storage 250 Mbps
Bandwidth
£25 excl. VAT/month*
£0.068 excl. VAT/hour
Where did you get the 0.221 from?
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq Windows
 
Ah
 
Bob
and $, not £
oh the cpu instances are cheaper
wait. 30 GB RAM O_O
even the EG-7 CPU instance has 7 GB RAM
 
Yeah exactly
Chuck the whole ISO in a RAMdrive
 
Bob
3:27 AM
that's so overkill for me it's not funny
 
Fully-elastic cloud platforms like AWS is designed with the assumption that your application is designed to scale automatically.
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq eh, it's not the drive that's slow
the ipmi impl seems to request blocks on demand rather than preloading it
 
Well, booting off ISOs mounted over IPMI clients is very much latency bottlenecked
 
Bob
my server has plenty of space for a ramdrive, but there's no way to do it
 
> VPS SSD 1
OpenStack KVM
1 vCore
2.4 GHz
2 GB RAM
10 GB SSD
Local RAID 10
£2.49 excl. VAT/month
(or £2.99 incl. VAT)
 
Bob
3:28 AM
heh
but setup time
 
That's the ultra "Low end"
 
They're designed such that the storage is completely decoupled from the machine itself.
 
Bob
I just needed it now, and it's pretty much a one time thing
 
Enough for hobbyists with their first Frontpage site or whatever
 
Traditional VPS cloud platforms have storage, RAM, and compute resources bundled and are best for more predictable workloads, but are much less complicated to work with.
 
3:29 AM
Well even OVH's bare metal hardware machines are automatically provisioned, I'm pretty certain their virtual instances are too
 
Linode typically creates new instances in less than a minute.
Deploying an image and starting the instance only takes a few minutes.
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq With a Windows install ready to go?
 
> Desktop Operating systems
Ubuntu 14.04 Desktop
Windows 2012 R2 std (Cloud range only)
OVH Release 3
heh
 
Bob
My dedi took over half a day to provision iirc
 
Well, yeah. Since Windows is only available on the "start on demand" Cloud services
 
Bob
3:31 AM
ah
 
@Bob Dedicated servers are typically set up by hand, unlike cloud systems.
 
There's not much Amazon can do that OVH can't
Other than having five-nines global resilience.
> EG-7 2 vCores x 3.1 GHz
7 GB RAM 200 GB
HA block storage 250 Mbps
Bandwidth
£35 excl. VAT/month*
£0.098 excl. VAT/hour
That's for the Windows ones, so, yeah about $0.14 USD or $0.19 AUD
Lol OVH's Hubic cloud service seems to be down
 
Bob
4 mins ago, by qasdfdsaq
Well even OVH's bare metal hardware machines are automatically provisioned, I'm pretty certain their virtual instances are too
@qasdfdsaq Considering the power failure that took out my server also apparently affected their cloud offerings ... yea
@bwDraco deficient?
 
I meant your system taking longer than expected to set up.
 
s/def/eff/
 
3:35 AM
I'm very tired.
 
Bob
Have you tried sleep?
 
Urg. SYS still haven't updated their first-gen 2009-era Xeon servers.
 
Bob
lol...
 
@Bob So why did it take so long?
 
Bob
@bwDraco Hell if I know.
They also apparently knocked an "electric connector" loose and had to fix it. That took another day.
hm... this isn't good
 
3:37 AM
LMAO. They managed to fuck up their "electric connector" quite a bit.
 
Wow. Absolutely stupid. Machines should be provisioned automatically these days.
 
Bob
I wonder if it'd work if I just update the initrd...
 
All this talk about lights-out datacenters...
 
Bob
ok. moment of truth. *reboots*
 
I'd be looking more at trying to get a dmesg log from a failed boot to see what's going on first
> HOST-64H Intel Xeon D
D-1540 8c/16t
2,0 / 2,6 GHz 64 GB of RAM
DDR4 ECC 2133 MHz 2 x2TB SOFT vRack 10 Gbps *
£83.99 excl. VAT/month
Tempting. Still feels too expensive, despite the fact I'm no longer paying that monthly for my mobile phone, so it'd effectively be... zero net cost.
 
Bob
3:39 AM
@qasdfdsaq That's hard.
Mostly because I don't even have access to the rootfs at that point.
@qasdfdsaq ...that seems to cost more than my SP-64
 
But if you can boot it over IPMI can't you just dump some debug flags into the bootloader?
 
Bob
hm. maybe?
 
@Bob Your SP-64 has half the cores
 
Bob
ah.
> Btrfs loaded
wut.
 
No wonder. btrfs decided to silently substitute itself for zfs.
 
Bob
3:40 AM
oh whoops... forgot to export the zpool
 
Taking over your systems!
 
Bob
Nup, ZFS modules still not loaded
oh look module zfs not found now
dunno if that's better or worse lol
back to ubuntu we go
 
Didn't you say you had your own weird manual script to put ZFS into the initrd?
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq yea, it's in that screenshot
oh, it's just to copy the initrd over
 
Oh I see
Speaking of, time to update mine and reboot
 
Bob
3:45 AM
good luck
 
While I'm at it I should probably update my public webserver as well, seeing as it's a lot more exposed than my home media box
Course I have no idea what the *****ing password is
 
@Bob He also wants to RTEFM?
> Errors were encountered while processing:
linux-image-extra-3.13.0-46-generic
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
root@s4a:~#
Urgh fuck you Ubuntu
Urgh who keeps starring my misfortunes. I bet it's the secret flagging lurker innit
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq Well, he is a maroon.
 
Are you actually getting to an initramfs prompt at least or just a glaring wall of blackness?
 
Bob
3:53 AM
@qasdfdsaq Oh, I get dropped into a shell.
I think my next step is going to be pulling the kernel and initrd from te snapshot.
That would make the second time this snapshot has saved my arse
 
And you can't get at dmesg from there?
@Bob Heh, that sorta recovery is exactly why I wish you could run Windows from ZFS
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq hm... I just heavily suspect it'd just end up telling me that the zfs module is missing
 
> root@qasdf-servage:/home/qasdfdsaq/ddrescue# cat ddrescue.sh
#!/bin/bash
DATE=$(date +%Y-%m-%d\.%H%M)
ls -1 /dev/disk/by-id/ | grep ata- | grep -v part | while read -r line; do smartctl -x /dev/disk/by-id/$line | tee "/home/qasdfdsaq/smartctl/smartctl ${line:4} ddrescue-start $DATE.txt"; done

ls -1 /dev/disk/by-id/ | grep ata- | grep -v part | while read -r line
do
ddrescue -B -d -v -f /dev/disk/by-id/$line /dev/null ~qasdfdsaq/ddrescue/ddrescue-$line-$DATE.txt &
done

ls -1 /dev/disk/by-id/ | grep ata- | grep -v part | while read -r line; do smartctl -x /dev/disk/by-id/$line | tee "/hom
Lol. I use my maintenance scripts so infrequently that I have to read the contents every single time to figure out which script it is and to make sure it does what I think it does
 
Bob
o.O
 
4:00 AM
<!--
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      .88                                "888       "888
    o8888oo  ooo  oooo  ooo. .oo.  .oo.   888oooo.   888  oooo d8b
    ""888""  888  "888  "888P"Y88bP"Y88b  d88' `88b  888  "888""8P
      888    888   888   888   888   888  888   888  888   888
      888 .  888   888   888   888   888  888.  888  888   888    .o.
      "888Y  `V88V"V8P' o888o o888o o888o 88`bod8P' o888o d888b   Y8P

                                                                        -->
Found this in the source code of GFSE, lol
 
The above is my surface-scan script, I used to run it weekly and had a nice colourful spreadsheet to track any changes in my drives' health metrics over time.
 
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Q: Ascii art in HTML comments - fad or function?

TaurenLately I've seen several websites with large ASCII art headers in their HTML. I don't get the point and it seems like this must just be a fad. For instance, tumblr.com has it: <!-- . .o8 oooo .o8 "888 `888 ...

 
Showed clearly how many retries each drive needed to read through for example, and any slow sectors, yadda yadda. But these new drives have been so reliable none of them have had a single bad sector in the several years I've had them. So I end up only running the check once or twice a year.
 
Bob
ah
 
3.8 GB/sec. Yum
Ever since "the chmod incident" I've just been extra paranoid about running the wrong command/script/etc. anytime I'm root.
Plus, reading each script before I run it gives me extra time to admire my kludgey coding handiwork.
 
Bob
4:08 AM
I don't like how easy it is to use zfs destroy
one of these days I'm going to accidentally nuke the wrong FS
 
alias "zfs destroy"="echo Are you sure?!"
(Also zpool destroy is just as dangerous, although you can often undestroy)
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq I don't type that nearly as often
 
And like chmod, and rm, you definitely don't want an extra -r in there when accidentally destroying the wrong thing
Eh, I virtually never type zfs destroy into a console
(Another benefit of having automatic snapshot management is that you never have to at all... you can even remove the ability to use the command if you so desire)
Y'know that'd be a cool idea. Remove the ability to use the zfs destroy command from your user, and instead, make it so the only way to destroy filesystems is to write the name of the filesystem into a text file somewhere, and have a cron job that runs daily to check the file and then schedule a destroy 24 hours later
The cron job can also email you/all admins on a system and/or delay the action pending the uploading of a certified sobriety test
Only once all the above conditions are satisfied, plus a cryptographically secure authentication code from a secondary authorizer is provided, will the actual delete go ahead.
Cause to be fair, the "nuclear option" on your data needs to have all the same safeguards as an actual nuclear bomb launch IRL.
Eh. By mrain has clearly gone wonky. I should go to bed. G'night @Bob
By mrain? My brain. Point prvoen
Proven. Urgh.
 
Bob
4:28 AM
@qasdfdsaq 'night
 
 
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Bob
5:48 AM
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@qasdfdsaq ^
Also, @allquixotic, ^ may be worth reading. Ubuntu is insulated from that (because they have zfs-native) but if you ever decide to fiddle with debian & ZFS ... make sure you have the right SPL version :\
such a massive waste of time...
maybe I should go ahead and set up that recovery environment on the flash drive :\
 
Bob
6:37 AM
hm. not done yet. now fuse is broken
 
Bob
7:19 AM
:O
so close
cmon dev-zvol-rpool-swap.device, load dammit
I'm ... in?
on the login screen but typing doesn't work :S
 
Bob
7:35 AM
There we go. Had to restart the ipmi console
 
 
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8:48 AM
there are a lot of random chat stars this morning...
 

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