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DavidPostill

00:01

You can maximise it (double-click title bar). If it's not maximised it can be resized

qasdfdsaq

Duh.

This whole fucking time -_-

DavidPostill

lol

Bob

TIL

qasdfdsaq

I call shenanigans

Dialog boxes that are maximizeable should have the maximize and resize icons. Dialog boxes that aren't resizeable shouldn't show a non-working resize dot-thingy!

Bad UI. Bad.

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DavidPostill

@qasdfdsaq Micros**t ;)

qasdfdsaq

00:07

@DavidPostill nnicrosoft

DavidPostill

;)

Michael Frank

@duzzy How much of the day would you consider working outdoors?

duzzy

@MichaelFrank I don't know. I guess I'd consider just about anything, especially if the job was interesting.

Journeyman Geek

Bother

The RSS download thing on my bt client is being overefficient

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Any way I can help?

qasdfdsaq

00:22

Gah SpaceX launch was cancelled again

Journeyman Geek

@Bob naw

It is downloading 'livecds' I already downloaded manually.

Just didn't expect it to, since I thought I marked the feed read

On the whole, outside user error the whole ugly jerryrigged setup works perfectly

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That message was a response to the applying for jobs thing :P

Michael Frank

@duzzy You could install broadband in homes. That would be outside a lot.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I'm still thinking about it. I think I want to give it another month or so. Its a big move

Michael Frank

@Bob I was also confused by that reply chain.

Journeyman Geek

00:28

and I have family sydneyabouts and near family elsewhere

duzzy

I used to install satellite dishes for tv service, but it's boring.

install dish, run cable, plug it in... install dish, run cable, plug it in... install dish, run cable, plug it in.

Journeyman Geek

and I currently have major family drama going on so... not the best time for that

Bob

@JourneymanGeek You could always try some applications and see what the responses are.

Though I don't know how that'd work out with things like visas :S

Journeyman Geek

yeah

Bob

It's probably about the same as applying to some place in the US or UK

Journeyman Geek

00:32

typically with those I went by 'I want to work here' over 'its a job in the US/UK'

Bob

Ahh

I do suspect that applying from out of country puts you at a significant disadvantage, though.

Unless your skill set is particularly sought after.

But of course you can't really commit to a country (except home :P) without a fairly good response either. Unless you were planning to move anyway...

Journeyman Geek

eh, not on the short term

qasdfdsaq

Dang, Taylor Swift has some serious legs

Bob

Makes sense, it's a huge decision.

StackExchange

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Q: @Admin - A few concerns

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qasdfdsaq

00:46

Huh since when does StackExchange auto-post meta questinos in here?

Bob

Since long long ago.

qasdfdsaq

Huh. I've never seen one before

They usually come up in a notification bar at the top

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Depends on tag.

qasdfdsaq

Ah ok. What types show up in actual chat?

Bob

gimme a sec

trying to screenshot but greenshot to imgur is really slow

will probably take a minute or two to upload -_-

Michael Frank

00:49

Greenshot and imgur is broken, isn't it?

Bob

@MichaelFrank It was, but then they kinda fixed it.

But imgur's api is broken

it takes forever to upload

happens on android apps too

DavidPostill

Hmm

qasdfdsaq

:27843707 lol

DavidPostill

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00:51

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ha... quote pyramids are a thing!

DavidPostill

lol

qasdfdsaq

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Michael Frank

D:

I missed that.

qasdfdsaq

Yes they are.

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek Did you respond the the flags @bwDraco and I raised earlier for meta.superuser.com/users/562173/random-username?

Anonymous

00:53

what the fuck happeend here

Michael Frank

@DavidPostill Someone did, the answer was deleted.

@PatoSáinz quote pyramid.

Anonymous

@MichaelFrank illerminarty

qasdfdsaq

!!google ilerminaty

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bwDraco

@DavidPostill The flags were cleared as useful.

DavidPostill

00:54

@MichaelFrank We flagged a few more for plagiarism

qasdfdsaq

> TOP DEFINITION
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Illuminati wrongly spelled by stupid people.

Michael Frank

windowsitpro.com/windows-7/…

Bob

@DavidPostill @bwDraco tbh the better way of handling this might've been to try to tell the user why we require attribution and don't like mass-copying. flag+delete seems like an extreme action.

If they ignore your advice, sure, but it's often not a good idea to turn to a hammer as the first tool -_-

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq :)

Bob

I only briefly followed this before going to sleep - the impression I got is that you commented, found other answers in the same vein, and started flagging.

But if those other answers were before the comment, then they've evidently not had time to process the criticism yet.

If they were after, then, yea, that's an issue.

DavidPostill

01:07

@bob. His latest answer is only 12 minutes old and he is still not quoting correctly even after the advice he was given. I only flagged one which was a verbatim copy from elsewhere with no link or other attribution.

qasdfdsaq

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01:08

Bob

@DavidPostill I don't mean the most recent answer now. I meant at the time of flagging, several hours ago.

The most recent answer was clearly after the comments, and I don't see an issue with flagging there.

But I do see a potential issue with the flagging of earlier answers that were posted before the comment (and AFAICT were flagged not even 10 mins after the comment was added), since the answerer wasn't given any opportunity to correct them.

qasdfdsaq

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Michael Frank

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Michael Frank

01:14

Well that was disappointing. :/

Journeyman Geek

01:42

@DavidPostill there's a meta question on this

so clearly I did

Journeyman Geek

02:37

Ok, that was wierd

My phone started on a notification sound... which cut out half way

Michael Frank

The CIA caught it.

Anonymous

Kraftwerk Minimum Maximum

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Anonymous

oh wow

Anonymous

trippy

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank its doubly strange cause the sound I use is ~3 seconds long and it cuts off partway

so instead of going choooo choooo it went choooo ch

Michael Frank

02:48

I've had it do that before when it tried to play two notifications quickly. The first starts to play then the second cuts it off but doesn't actually play itself.

Journeyman Geek

03:04

hmm

My brother is looking at getting a new printer

Looking at an epson, they have this really nice CISS system

bwDraco

03:19

@JourneymanGeek Didn't I mention EcoTank before?

These printers sold remarkably well in EMEA regions, to the point where Epson decided to bring them to the States.

Biggest drawback is print permanence. Don't expect prints to last more than a few years.

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A: Why does my Canon PIXMA iX6520 use so much black ink?

Initial cartridges generally have lower yields than normal, and ink is often wasted on maintaining the printed especially if you don't print often. As others have noted, if this is a new printer, it likely came with initial or starter cartridges which have lower yields than normal. In addition,...

Bob

If you want prints that last as long as the paper, go with laser. Not much beats plastic fused to the paper.

Psycogeek

without me whining who left that big Sh-mess in the chat ?

Of all the things i would ever flag in the chat , that big stretched out pile would qualify.

@JourneymanGeek I use CISS systems (in epson) cheap as heck, minor modification to the printer that isnt even worth concidering, ink prices like 1/10th or less even. ink clogs easier, no matter how precision i do it i will have ink on me :-) before i am done assembling or re-filling. If printing is a constant , it is awesome. if your only print a bit here and there and would pause printing over a month, then print anyways :-)

Journeyman Geek

03:37

@Psycogeek precisely

@Bob @bwDraco permanance is not an issue

We use a canon printer we refill ~~naturally~~ manually, good enough other than we seem to have more ink than we can use (especially my dad misplaced the ink), and refilling is messy.

The ecotanks seem perfect for how we use printers

Psycogeek

Colors are off by a bit, but IMO after all the work they have done in colors, I am always adjusting anyways to get the desired acceptable look.

Journeyman Geek

ya, but we do still have an 'oldschool' photo guy for when we want better quality printouts. this is just basic home use

bwDraco

03:49

Epson EcoTank printers are essentially printers with an OEM CISS. They're expensive but come with loads of ink and will easily pay for themselves given enough usage.

Journeyman Geek

yup

I'm seeing 230 sgd on the low end AIW, and 330 for the higher end, wifi capable model

so roughly 100 dollar premium but that would pay for itself with one set of inks

XKCD

05:03

The Romeo and Butt-Head film actually got two thumbs up from Siskel and Oates.

Journeyman Geek

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bwDraco

06:04

How about F U C K Y O U — Anonymous 1 min ago

lol

Bob

o.O

How not to get help 101

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bwDraco

Possible mod message?

Spelled out perhaps to get around filters. Are comments filtered or censored?

Journeyman Geek

gone

not as far as I know

Bob

06:58

applying mediabuttondefaultaction.patch
patching file mobile/android/base/java/org/mozilla/gecko/GeckoEditable.java
Hunk #1 FAILED at 43
Hunk #4 FAILED at 738
Hunk #5 FAILED at 778
3 out of 6 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file mobile/android/base/java/org/mozilla/gecko/GeckoEditable.java.rej
patching file mobile/android/base/java/org/mozilla/gecko/GeckoInputConnection.java
Hunk #1 FAILED at 11
Hunk #2 FAILED at 36
Hunk #4 FAILED at 603
Hunk #5 FAILED at 776
Hunk #6 FAILED at 847
Hunk #7 FAILED at 939

fml

sometimes I really really really wish I could use git

Jonno

@bwDraco Strange how hostile people can get when they're clearly breaking the rules. This was one of my favourites so far...

superuser.com/questions/1009747/unable-to-auto-update-java-8/…

@Bob I wouldn't worry about it, it's about 5% remembering commands, 70% googling them and the remaining 25% is a combination of hoping, praying and magic.

Journeyman Geek

07:37

lol

sounds about right

We ~~misused~~ used git for everything at my last job. I had a cheatsheet ;p

Bob

07:59

@Jonno eh. I can do that with git. But it doesn't work nearly as well with hg

And I've already broken my patch :/

Will need to rewrite it

Jonno

@Bob Sounds like you need to increase the ratio of magic :)

Bob

@Jonno I ran out of magic about the time vimdiff opened up

It got worse when I accidentally added 3.5k changed files to my patch

Also, mq patches have no history

I probably should've been using bookmarks. Except that's not what the main Mozilla wiki said

bwDraco

If anyone is familiar with ARM processor design, is there an argument for running Cortex-A57 cores at very low clocks (e.g. 1.0 GHz or less) instead of using Cortex-A53 at higher clocks (1.4-1.6 GHz)?

...or is A57 so much more power-hungry or so much larger (in terms of die space required) that such a configuration would not make any sense?

There must be a reason SoC designers aren't doing this.

Jonno

08:19

@bwDraco I'm certainly no expert, but my 2c - I was under the impression the A57 was somewhat more expensive. Additionally, I'm not sure if you've seen this photo: i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/177342-image/01.jpg - if the image can be trusted, it appears the A53 has a significantly lower power to GHz ratio, to the point crippling an A57 wouldn't actually be beneficial compared to a full speed A53.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq @DavidPostill ^

It's VID_046D&PID_C537&REV_3400 though. So not the unifying type. Hm.

It does expose a keyboard, so there's a minor potential for a vuln there depending on how the dongle is implemented.

bwDraco

Okay, that makes sense now.

150 mW/GHz vs. 535 mW/GHz means that there's no benefit or reason to run A57s at very low clocks, even if undervolted so heavily as to bump into the minimum voltage limits of the semiconductor process.

256% more power to gain 56% more performance. Ouch.

Jonno

@bwDraco Like I say, if that image is to be trusted. That said, it looks like a pretty nasty tradeoff.

Small gallery here that may be of interest if you haven't seen it already - phonearena.com/…

bwDraco

No wonder the A57 cores on my phone run so insanely hot for the performance they deliver...

...as in one A57 core consumes more power and generates noticeably more heat than two A53 cores under load!

Journeyman Geek

@Bob damned near HID is... everything

bwDraco

08:29

(I have root and can enable or disable cores at will.)

Jonno

@bwDraco And an interesting article re the fate of the A57 - fudzilla.com/news/processors/… - not sure how much research you've already done, but it seems it never truly got off the ground in comparison to the A53

Journeyman Geek

@Jonno erf. Arm is confusing ;p

bwDraco

I always thought ARM SoCs were more efficient than any Intel Core part under the sun...

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco not really true

Jonno

I guess that depends on your metrics for efficiency :)

bwDraco

08:32

No wonder why the Snapdragon 810 is notorious for overheating.

Those bloody A57s run hot as hell.

Journeyman Geek

also, don't forget laptop and desktop chips have very different thermal constraints to what arm builds

bwDraco

My phone has a Snapdragon 808 but thermal throttling is still an issue.

@JourneymanGeek: x86 tax, they call it. So much legacy baggage and so much complexity that it's pretty much impossible to match ARM performance per watt on the same process.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco not really

'x86' functionality is actually a very small part of the processor

the x86 parts are part of the core

bwDraco

Decoding x86 instructions is not free, and it's a heck of a lot more difficult to parse x86 instructions than it is to parse ARM code.

Journeyman Geek

Its not terribly expensive either

bwDraco

08:38

That alone means that x86 will always be behind ARM in performance per watt (assuming the same process, once again)

Journeyman Geek

Nope

bwDraco

Look at the mess with all these vector extensions that x86 has.

VEX encoding is so horrifically inelegant.

!!/wiki VEX prefix

ChatBot John Cavil

@bwDraco The Wikipedia contains no knowledge of such a thing

Journeyman Geek

and don't forget

vector extensions are faster at certain things

and Arm has them too

ChatBot John Cavil

VEX prefix

The VEX prefix (from "vector extensions") and VEX coding scheme are comprising an extension to the x86 and x86-64 instruction set architecture for microprocessors from Intel, AMD and others. == Features == The VEX coding scheme allows the definition of new instructions and the extension or modification of previously existing instruction codes. This serves the following purposes: The opcode map is extended to make space for future instructions. It allows instruction codes to have up to five operands, where the original scheme allows only two operands (in rare cases three operands). It allows the...

Journeyman Geek

08:43

Basically intel's had to design chips that would run in the thermal constraints of a mobile phone on a clean sheet

bwDraco

Yes, but ARM has just VFP and NEON instructions. x86 has seen more than half a dozen different vector instruction set extensions.

x86-64 has well over a thousand different opcodes.

Journeyman Geek

That's amusing

List of Intel Atom microprocessors

The Intel Atom is Intel's line of low-power, low-cost and low-performance x86 and x86-64 microprocessors. Atom, with codenames of Silverthorne and Diamondville, was first announced on March 2, 2008. For Nettop and Netbook Atom Microprocessors after Diamondville, the memory and graphics controller are moved from the northbridge to the CPU. This explains the drastically increased transistor count for post-Diamondville Atom microprocessors. == Nettop processors (small desktop) == === Single-core Nettop processors === ==== "Diamondville" (45 nm) ==== All models support: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SS...

Check out what the GPU is

bwDraco

08:58

@Jonno So it seems the core is too big and too hot to perform well on 28nm...

I suppose A57 is asking too much of the 28nm process...

But why are there thermal issues with the A57 on the 20nm process as used in the Snapdragon 808 and 810?

34 mins ago, by bwDraco

256% more power to gain 56% more performance. Ouch.

There can't be any other reason. Cortex-A57 was a server-oriented design that was optimized for performance over efficiency, and that makes it ill-suited for mobile unlike the new Cortex-A72 core.

Alright, see ya later.

36 mins ago, by bwDraco

...as in one A57 core consumes more power and generates noticeably more heat than two A53 cores under load!

Bob

@bwDraco And yet, real-world chips say otherwise.

Decoding x86 instructions is a very very minor task compared to the rest of the core.

The RISC vs CISC argument has been rehashed for decades.

@bwDraco See also: extremetech.com/extreme/…, research.cs.wisc.edu/vertical/papers/2013/…

Note that the chips they used there are now half a decade old.

Sandy Bridge. Pineview Atom N450 (2nd gen). Cortex-A8, Cortex-A9.

Since then, ARM has come out with far more powerful (and more efficient?) cores. Intel has made massive strides in efficiency (and processing power).

I'd expect them to be somewhat equal now. I wouldn't be particularly surprised if Intel pulls ahead sometimes, depending on which particular cores you're comparing.

> For comparison, we also examined Intel’s Silvermont CPU in its Bay Trail processor. This CPU is about the same size as Cortex-A57 and delivers similar performance. At its maximum clock speed, however, the x86 designs uses slightly more power, putting a bit behind in power efficiency.

Journeyman Geek

09:24

@Bob which is what I said

Bob

"about the same size as Cortex-A57" is especially interesting, since they also say "Apple’s Cyclone+ and Nvidia’s Denver are much larger than Cortex-A57".

So basically here you have x86 cores of similar efficiency to ARM cores (of similar vintage), yet physically smaller than other ARM cores (with somewhat lower performance)

bwDraco

I know Cyclone et al. are huge cores. 9-wide issue!

Denver is 7-wide, and uses a completely different design. It's internally a VLIW core.

Bob

@bwDraco Yes, it's not a fair comparison this way either.

But these matters are far more complex than "RISC vs CISC"

Journeyman Geek

and x86 procs are 'RISC' ish anyway

to the point where AMD and maybe via were talking about using essentially the same core, or convertable cores that would do arm or x86

bwDraco

Feb 11 at 2:26, by bwDraco

The problem is that the Apple cores take up much more die space than any of the ARM Cortex cores which means they can only put two (at most three as with the A8X) cores on a chip.

Bob

09:33

I wonder just how much die area is used for the decoder.

And power.

Probably negligible.

You'd see a bigger impact from the longer instructions taking up cache, but that might be offset by ARM having more instructions.

Hennes

Morning

bwDraco

In any case, ARM completely dropped the ball with the Cortex-A57. I can tell you from first-hand experience that running just one A57 core and one A53 core at full load makes the phone get hotter than pegging three A53 cores.

This is the only reason the SD810 suffers from all these thermal problems.

Jonno

@Bob Found another example of your "Why are you using Excel for this?" :) superuser.com/questions/1045707/…

Bob

@Jonno Oh god no.

Is that one of @allquixotic's coworkers?

Jonno

09:52

@Bob Another one. People are getting more imaginative

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Q: Exporting Emojis out of Excel

I have an Excel file with some Emojis within. Does this 💍 ring a bell? 🔔 🔔 How can I export the file to Tab delimited or CSV while preserving the Emojis? I've tried exporting as Unicode Text, but the Emojis aren't preserved in Unicode. Thanks

microsoft-excel csv

Bob

?!?!

bwDraco

The Sony Xperia Z3+ is the poster child of SD810 overheating problems.

Jonno

10:08

@Bob Honestly I think you've opened my eyes to these now.

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Q: How to make a diff between 2 cells

I have an Excel file like below and use MS Office For Mac 2011. The value in column C should be a differ between A and B (A is always longer, B is always A substring). If both values in A and B are same, C will be empty. Replaced substring (cell B) should be replaced for a space. The Excel fi...

microsoft-excel diff microsoft-excel-2011 string

Bob

-_-

bwDraco

The excel tag wiki excerpt has seen so many edits.

At one extreme, random wants to trim down every word possible: superuser.com/revisions/248525/12

At the other extreme, it's much too verbose: superuser.com/revisions/248525/14

I've done my best to slim down the tag wiki excerpt without negatively impacting readability or leaving out essential usage information the way random's highly simplified takes.

I can't see why every last word counts in a tag wiki excerpt. Yes, it needs to be concise, but readability matters, too.

Bob

10:41

O_O MS bought Xamarin?!

Journeyman Geek

10:52

yup

DavidPostill

@bwDraco Looks good now ;)

qasdfdsaq

13:15

@Bob lmao

Dave

Seen the new iphone7 widescreen mode yet?

iPhone 7 - Widescreen

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Its redonk

qasdfdsaq

...

!!slap Dave

ChatBot John Cavil

@qasdfdsaq That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

qasdfdsaq

!!trout Dave

ChatBot John Cavil

slaps Dave around a bit with a large trout!

Dave

13:19

lol

qasdfdsaq

I have to say though, that's some pretty good 3D CGI for an amateur effort.

jokerdino

we need a rainbow trout.

qasdfdsaq

And also, it's a pretty well thought out technical concept. Unlike various other... ideas... it's not technically impossible. It could actually work

Where it goes wrong is the visible screws around the lightning port. Urgh. Apple would never do that.

Dave

Agreed with the new flexi displays

qasdfdsaq

Apple are known to be investing in OLED manufacturing as well. But that's still redonk.

Dave

13:24

Wonder how durable they are though right now. I would think a display like that would be hella brittle.

qasdfdsaq

Not at all. They're basically printed onto any old flexible plastic.

Samsungs Flexible OLED Screen

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That was seven years ago.

Dave

lol crazy

qasdfdsaq

Yeah. Pretty damn durable.

Oh cool - someone did it with a modern LG G Flex phone

Dave

That's pretty infuckignsane

qasdfdsaq

LG G Flex flexible display in the raw

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Now you see why I've been preaching about OLEDs for the last ten years :-P

Dave

13:30

Yea I totally want one.

qasdfdsaq

Mind you a problem with the "widescreen" stretchable display is it would completely preclude any possibility of waterproofing. Also how the hell would you hold the thing?

Anonymous

it's fun and all but I really want to be able to bend it in sharp 180º bends

Anonymous

not only curved (with some max bend radius) 90º

Dave

Would make a great frisbee

A frisbee that could look psychedelic while it flys

qasdfdsaq

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A: @Admin - A few concerns

I'm a moderator, and I handled one of the flags that was made with one of your answers. I'd initially chosen to try to edit the entirely unnecessary legal notice you'd stuck on the end of one of your answers - in this case there's no real guideline there. I used common sense, and the fact that t...

> The best answers are based on personal experience and facts.

But when I do that people question my experience -_-

Dave

13:35

"human exception handlers" best thing ive read all morning (I have to use this one @ work)

qasdfdsaq

He's used that line dozens of times

Boris_yo

14:10

Funny how how in commercials they paint picture in black and white when showing someone using something not good for the job, getting angry maybe and tired but as suddenly change it to full color when advertising their product like everything is nice and dandy.

I bet 98% of SuperUsers haven't noticed this... I too did not until I stopped drinking fluoride, Coke, eat burgers and chips and gained mental clarity and became of subliminal messaging. I am no longer mindless recipient of broadcast. I am aware...

qasdfdsaq

I'm pretty sure everyone over the age of 10 has figured out by now that commercials and advertisements are deliberately exaggerated and unrealistic.

DavidPostill

@qasdfdsaq And with a very few rare exceptions completely not worth watching. I miss my STB inbuilt DVR :/

Hmm. According to stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/broadcasting/broadcast-codes/… "The rules which apply in the UK set limits for the commercial public service broadcasters (PSBs) Channel 3, Channel 4, S4C and Channel 5 - and all other commercial broadcasters. For example, there is a limit on the average number of minutes per hour of advertising across the day of 7 minutes an hour (off peak) for PSBs and 9 minutes an hour for all other broadcasters ."

I'm sure we get more ads than 9 minutes / hour.

qasdfdsaq

Heh. The poor Americans can get over 20 minutes of advertising per hour.

Jonno

@DavidPostill I'm guessing that doesn't apply to things like 4od - I'm pretty sure I get more ad's than content on there...

DavidPostill

"the amount of airtime allowed by the UK broadcasting regulator Ofcom for advertising is an overall average of 7 minutes per hour, with limits of 12 minutes for any particular clock hour."

Jonno

14:25

So that's the average over the course of a whole day, no more than 12 in one actual hour?

DavidPostill

It appears so. I wonder where all the < 7 minutes / hour get scheduled? Probably when the channels are off-air ;)

A study last year by Arris showed that 84% of respondents wanted to fast forward through the ads they watch, while 60% of them download or record shows so they can skip commercials. Even Super Bowl ads have lost their effectiveness: a 2014 study showed that 80% of them do not increase sales for the companies running them.

The increased use of smartphones and tablets also detracts from TV commercials’ relevance. Last month, researchers found that viewers who focused just on the TV screen were able to recall 2.43 out of every three brands mentioned, while smartphone and tablet users only man…

Jonno

Yeah, like 12am - 6am or something, probably only a handful of adverts then

DavidPostill

With 42-minute American exports to Britain, such as Lost, being given a one-hour slot, nearly one third of the slot is taken up by adverts or trailers for other programs.

So if you watch a US export program it's 18 minutes of ads/trailers.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq @Dave blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/05/a-theory-of-moderation stolen from here

qasdfdsaq

No wonder Netflix original shows are so popular...

Jonno

14:32

What happens to the business model if nobody wants to pay to have channels broadcast their ads anymore? Subscriptions...? Higher TV licence fees? I can't imagine Five surviving anyway.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq they're pretty good ;p

@Jonno licence fees only pay for public broadcasts

theoratically higher prices

Practically, it depends

Jonno

BBC in the case of the UK, but even then there are talks of scrapping it

But the BBC has the benefit of no ads due to that

Journeyman Geek

yup

BBC does have some profitable ventures tho, BBC worldwide and news I suppose

DavidPostill

@Jonno Beeb 3 is iplayer only no tv broadcast. Beeb 4 is off air during the day (evenings only) ...

Jonno

I'd imagine Channel 4 are doing okay - I imagine a lot of their content is streamed from 4oD now and that seems to enforce adverts incredibly well - the faintest whiff of an adblocker and you're out.

DavidPostill

14:44

@Jonno No figures for last year yet, but they only broke even in 2014

Jonno

@DavidPostill Is television even profitable anymore? Yeesh, what about ITV? They have what, Emmerdale, I'm a Celebrity, TOWIE?

DavidPostill

@Jonno bbc.co.uk/news/business-33675277

ITV profits up 25% despite ratings fall

Jonno

Oh... Jeremy Kyle - bet that makes them a few quid..

That's... Surprising.

DavidPostill

They make a lot of money on the voting for X-factor etc. It's a complete brainwash.

Jonno

Ahhh yes.. Xfactor and I'm a celebrity voting must bring in a fair bit...

qasdfdsaq

14:50

Millions.

DavidPostill

Figures show 13 million viewers call reality TV hotlines every month and the nation blows £900million a year on numbers staring with 084, 087, 09 and 118.

During the most recent season of ITV’s “The X Factor,” 40 million votes were cast, including 10 million in the show’s finale.

Jonno

Wow...

I wonder - do ITV make money off the live ticket sales also?

(X-Factor that is)

DavidPostill

callers are in danger of being hit by bill shock - for example, a Three customer calling the Strictly voting line from November 3 face a total charge of 60p a minute, instead of 40p previously.

The price hikes follow an Ofcom ruling that fees payable to the phone firm and TV company must be shown separately.

And phone companies have taken the opportunity to hike rates, with Three’s fees rising 80% from 25p a minute to 45p, which O2 and Vodafone charge.

@Jonno £21.45 - £60.50 The X Factor Live Tour 2016

I'm sure ITV get a nice cut ;)

Along with Simon Whatshisface

Jonno

@DavidPostill I suppose they have to pay for the venue and judges

qasdfdsaq

I think I need a bigger LART.

@DavidPostill And they're twats. The phone companies' access charge should be inclusive, that's the whole point of it -_-

Dave

16:01

Nothing like trolling people up here that lose power all night in -10 degree weather.. "I heard you had a snowcone party in your house yesterday"

lol

bwDraco

18:35

I'm going through some old issues of The Wall Street Journal right now. It's really unusual for a young college student to be reading this, but I'm doing this to be more literate.

qasdfdsaq

Unless they're studying economics...

bwDraco

The ads are quite different than what I typically find in more mainstream newspapers. They're distinctly aimed towards wealthy businessmen.

Guess I should be working harder to move up...

qasdfdsaq

Perhaps you should read instagram feeds if you want to understand the literacy young college kids tend to use these days...

bwDraco

I'm not one to let myself suffer from the falling baseline that is modern society. I try to do things the old-fashioned way: meticulous and austere.

When the rest of society is moving away from the strict standards of personal conduct we used to have, I try to follow the standards that once existed in the 18th and 19th century.

qasdfdsaq

That falling baseline happen to be the sons and daughters of those wealthy businessmen targeted by your WSJ :-P

bwDraco

18:42

I'm serious about rising above the field. That's why I do this.

It's this meticulous approach that underpins every line of code I write and every word that goes into my answers here on Stack Exchange.

You could say I have some noble blood in me...

DavidPostill

Dragon's blood

Dragon's blood is a bright red resin that is obtained from different species of a number of distinct plant genera: Croton, Dracaena, Daemonorops, Calamus rotang and Pterocarpus. The red resin has been in continuous use since ancient times as varnish, medicine, incense, and dye. == Name and source == A great degree of confusion existed for the ancients in regard to the source and identity of dragon's blood. Some medieval encyclopedias claimed its source as the literal blood of elephants and dragons who had perished in mortal combat. The resin of Dracaena species, "true" dragon's blood, and the...

bwDraco

It's the same reason I dress in business clothes and bring an old-fashioned fountain pen with me to exams.

qasdfdsaq

19:01

I tend to sleep through my exams.

The only exams I've been to in the last four years are other people's

Mokubai

19:31

Arrrr!

allquixotic

!rrrrA

Mokubai

Woot?

allquixotic

?tooW

Mokubai

!emosewasiiabukoM

How's tricks on your side of the pond?

qasdfdsaq

Mokubai is emo?

allquixotic

19:38

Mokubaiisawesome!

?dnop eht fo edis ruoy no skcirt s'woH

Mokubai

?wollaws nedalnu na fo yticolev deeps ria eht s'tahW

allquixotic

What's the air velocity of an unladen swallow?

Mokubai

@allquixotic Slow friday afternoon?

allquixotic

ye

Mokubai

Any plans for the weekend?

allquixotic

19:49

shit I can't say

Mokubai

Super secret stuff?

qasdfdsaq

!ffuts terces repuS!

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