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12:41 AM
^same day as the famous MLK speech
I found it very interesting to learn about the political relevance of country music (at least back then): It surprised me!
 
@Danu speaking of music, is Kanye going insane
 
1:05 AM
Hello all
 
I have a casual question about how to plug my own answer
 
askaway
:-)
 
I feel like sometimes I put a lot of effort into an answer and it doesn't get voted on, not because it's not good (though I can't know for sure) but because there are too many other answers for the question that have received 1 or 2 votes
Aside from putting a bounty on an old question and hoping people scroll down to look for new answers, is there another way I can draw attention to a new answer?
I'd love to create a serious detailed answer to this question as well: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/235079/…
but I don't know if it will ever get viewed, even if I put a bounty on it.
 
My advice would be to not worry about the points.
 
1:11 AM
hmm maybe I am getting too focused on the rep
sorry to intrude on any casual conversation here
 
@ACuriousMind You know who else is smug? Guys with baby faces that have facial hair.
 
user54412
^ example of typical conversation in this room
 
user54412
intrusion can be a good thing ;)
 
@NauticalMile Answer quality and score do generally not seem to correlate strongly, although until now, that post has a sample size of 2.
 
@ChrisWhite at least it's not topology
But I am currently struggling with an algebra proof.
 
1:22 AM
@NauticalMile And here's JohnRennie good-naturedly ranting about getting too many upvotes for the wrong kind of answers. Rep is a nice gratification, but you really shouldn't be writing excellent answers to get rep - for that, you should be writing many easy answers.
 
Hypothesis: If a model predicted a solution that is never realised, it means the model is either incomplete or we are missing some information that prevent those solutions from being realised
I wonder what prevents the spontaneously moving solution from being realised. Is it because the action that corresponds to it is not mimimised?
Or is it because of thermodynamic reasons?
 
@Secret Here's a simpler solution: The case that a point particle rests perfectly still at the exact top of a perfectly flat dome of that exact shape just never occurs in real life.
In reality, there are so many other factors influencing what happens - the pathological solution for Norton's dome just doesn't correspond to a prediction about reality, since its pathological nature relies on all the idealizations we make.
 
I see
Seems I forgot one important thing that underlies all models: Assumptions that are being considered
 
I found it amazing that you guys always knew the simple solutions while I am only aware of complicated ones. The same thing happens in real life where I am best known among my friends to overthink a problem but that the solution is actually obvious
 
1:37 AM
Well, solving other people's problems is always easier than solving one's own ;)
 
@ACuriousMind Does the least common multiple of a set of integers have to divide all other common multiples?
 
@0celo7 I am confident you can figure that out yourself
 
@ACuriousMind I've been staring at this for 30 minutes.
I have no clue where to start.
 
Prime factorization is your friend.
 
I know, but what do I do with it?
 
1:52 AM
What does it mean in terms of their prime factors that a number divides another?
 
The number being divided has the same ones as the divisor + some more
 
And what is the lcm in terms of prime factors?
 
We have a theorem for the lcm of two numbers in terms of prime factors.
I don't see how to extend it to $n$.
 
Induction should work, I think.
 
This shouldn't be that hard
 
2:01 AM
@FenderLesPaul looks like stony brook sent out rejections
 
@0celo7 Wait...do you not know whether the lcm divides all other multiples, or do you not see how to prove what you know?
 
@ACuriousMind I'm trying to prove: $M\ge0$ is the lcm of $a_1,...,a_n$ iff it is a common multiple of $a_1,...,a_n$ which divides every other common multiple.
Working on $\Rightarrow$ first.
So I need to show that with $K$ another cm, $M\mid K$.
This in turn means that we must have $K=cM$ for some integer $c$.
I don't know how to show this.
@ACuriousMind ($\Leftarrow$) If $M\mid K$ and $M,K\ge 0$, $M\le K$. But since this holds for all cms, it holds for $K=$lcm. Thus $M$ is the lcm.
 
@ACuriousMind Thanks for the links. It helps put things in perspective.
 
2:23 AM
@ACuriousMind If [] is the lcm, do we have $[a,b,c]=[[a,b],c]$?
 
@GPhys still nothing from UChicago wtff
 
@0celo7 Look, I believe the point of such exercises is that you try things, and fail until you (feel like) you got it right. Me validating each of your steps defeats the whole purpose of you training how to prove things.
If you really want the answer, just ask it as a question on math.SE, they're fine with such questions.
 
No, I just think a hint from the teacher would have been in order.
I can't do the induction step.
And the book ranks this as an "easy" problem
@ACuriousMind Meh, I wrote a little paragraph explaining why it has to be a multiple. I've no desire to spend another hour figuring out the exact inductive step.
Either the prof likes it or doesn't.
 
@vzn That feels like the kind of wild speculating that people engage in every time there is a surprise announcement. See all the crazy preprints that appeared right after OPERA's initial superluminal neutrinos announcement.
 
2:38 AM
@0celo7 Well, but the point is that you spend hours figuring out such steps until you've done that so often that it doesn't take you hours anymore.
BTW, do you work on problem sets alone?
 
@ACuriousMind Yes.
 
We always hand them in as groups of 2-4 here, and that really helps with training how to figure out proofs
 
@ACuriousMind Do you see how to prove it?
 
Because everyone just gets stuck on some steps, but it's rare that three people get stuck on the same.
@0celo7 Yes.
 
@ACuriousMind Which step? Or the whole thing?
 
2:51 AM
@ACuriousMind Can it be done without induction?
 
@0celo7 I'm not going to say anything further on this.
 
@ACuriousMind What about the next problem that's also impossibly hard
 
@0celo7 No.
 
@ACuriousMind Well good because I solved the next one.
 
Good for you
 
3:04 AM
@ACuriousMind If I write a full solution for the one above, will you say yes/no?
 
Isn't that what the person grading your work is supposed to do?
 
Maybe?
@ACuriousMind Ok, let $p_1,...,p_k$ be the set of primes which can factor all $a_i$s. Then $M=p_1^{e_1}\cdots p_k^{e_k}$ and $e_i>0$. (Prove the inequality by contradiction.) Let $K$ have the expansion $p_1^{f_1}\cdots p_k^{f_k}p_{k+1}^{f_{k+1}}\cdots$. It is clear that $f_i>0$ for $i\in\{1,...,k\}$. [cont. in next post]
 
@0celo7 What exactly about "I will not say anything further on this" was unclear to you?
 
Now, since $M$ is the least common multiple, it is clear that the $e_i$ cannot be smaller and still be a common multiple. It then follows that $e_i\le f_i$ since $K$ is a common multiple.
Then $K=M\cdot p_1^{f_1-e_1}\cdots p_k^{f_k-e_k}p_{k+1}^{f_{k+1}}\cdots$$\implies $ $M\mid K$.
@ACuriousMind Pretty much all of it.
 
Sigh...talk to me again in a week or so when I've decided to unblock you.
 
3:17 AM
@ACuriousMind Ok.
 
3:46 AM
@0celo7 That's not what I said.
 
@DanielSank What did you say, then?
You said most people in your grad mechanics class did not know what forms are.
"beginning" grad students
 
How is LIGO's observation any more important then BICEP2's?
 
Jan 16 at 3:48, by DanielSank
Now, take a moment to remember that very few first year physics grad students have ever even heard of differential forms.
 
@Mazura They are direct. And just as important BICEP's looks to be erroneous. They probably failed to account for a background.
 
@DanielSank I'm sorry I somehow misinterpreted that.
But you can surely see how it's an easy mistake to make.
 
3:53 AM
@Mazura For one, LIGO's result is currently not thought to be wrong.
 
I see. One of them is a controlled experiment and the other is pure speculative observation.
 
4:32 AM
There is nothing wrong with indirect evidence as long as the analytic chain is solid. It's just that the chain is usually longer.
 
vzn
@dmckee agreed there is some wild theorizing right now, but its not entirely; do you have any of your own idea behind the gamma ray burst? its anomalous wrt black hole merger. sometimes there is a subtle difference between wild speculation and educated hypothesizing. the star collapse idea was put forward by a reputable scientist. lets not forget how outlandish the original idea of black holes was! now, collapsing pairs verified! possibly also with accompanying massive gamma ray burst!
 
@0celo7 Yeah, that's not the same demographic as students here.
@0celo7 Perhaps.
 
@DanielSank Here?
 
vzn
ps dmc youre now on record as saying you hate schmoozing and am bad at it, but on other hand what exactly is an internet chat room? :P
 
@vzn maybe he hates us
don't rule that out
 
vzn
4:43 AM
@0celo7 guess your endless trolling is making you paranoid eh? :P
 
@vzn I don't troll.
 
vzn
@0celo7 lol just like nixon was not a crook :P
 
@DanielSank I need to learn about impedance/resistivity/conductivity and generally EM effects in solids
got a good book for that?
@vzn I don't see what the former president has to do with anything
 
vzn
@0celo7 lol, exactly :P
 
@Danu FYI, the Cartan thing you added today is corrupted.
 
5:16 AM
@0celo7 You had some message about "students here" and their knowledge of forms. I figured "here" meant "in hbar".
@0celo7 ehhh, not really.
 
@DanielSank I meant here as in "the USA"
 
@FenderLesPaul I'm still waiting for some funding info as well
I assume it's coming any day now
 
@0celo7 Oh.
@dmckee @DavidZ I suspect someone is targeting me with downvotes. It's not a lot, so I don't really care, but I figured I ought to report it.
They come in spurts, which is why I suspect foul play.
 
5:32 AM
@DanielSank someone's finally taking down the puppet master, eh?
 
4 hours ago, by skull petrol
My advice would be to not worry about the points.
 
hello.....does anyone know the highest voltage rating of super capacitors?
just an order of mag..
 
5:51 AM
@DanielSank The mod tools don't show anything of interest, but I'll keep it in mind.
 
 
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user116211
7:07 AM
@DavidZ Seeing Daniel's concern, I also want to air my concern over some simultaneous downvotes on my posts. For two days, I've been getting downvotes simultaneously at most of the SE I'm active. However, I'm not sure. Just by the by.
 
8:18 AM
Hi
I've a question about tension
Block A is connected to a rope, which is connected at the other end to Block B. There is a force pulling block A up. The net acceleration of the entire system is 3 m/s^2. I want the tension at the top of the rope. The rope weighs 4 kg and block B weighs 6 kg. Is it correct to say that the tension at the top of the rope is (4 + 6)* 3 = 30 N?
 
 
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11:26 AM
>CuriousOne| So why do we see all this talk about "particles" in quantum mechanics? Because (beginners level) quantum mechanics is really a non-relativistic single quantum theory. It avoids all the mathematical problems with relativistic quantum field theory and can make reasonable statements about system with low energy bound states and low energy scattering. We don't have to worry about ever seeing more or less quanta than >CuriousOne: we have put in and it pretends to have a simple interpretation in terms of "particles".
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Q: What does it mean "not to have a definite trajectory"?

user104In a comment to my question someone stated the following: "photons do not travel at some definite number of oscillations per second. In fact, they do not "travel" at all, no more than electrons or other quanta do, as by the Uncertainty Principle they don't have a definite speed and/or ...

hmm...?
 
hmm, so the best way to think about quantum is that they are fields?
 
I have made a comment
a long discussion probably awaits
 
Continuous spectrum are a topic sometimes neglected in most quantum mechanics classes

That one has to realise that some observables can be continous, not necessary have to be quantised

e.g. a good example is an unbounded state
so quantum is fields and their associated distributions of observables?
 
11:44 AM
quantum means, in my opinion, simply not classical
i.e. a system that cannot be described by trajectories (or more sensibly commutative probabilities) on the phase space
A "quantum" is, as per its latin etimology, a discrete definite quantity of something
 
This OP's question also makes me wonder:
does QM allow a particle to disappear from a point and reappear in another point that is not continuous to it? if so, what is the explanation?

I have no problem picture this, but is this view also techincally speaking, still classical in a sense?
 
yeah it is
you simply have a probabilistic interpretation
so the system is described by observables and a state encoding the probability of their measurements
and that probability evolves continuously in time
 
So basically the only thing that can in principle be detected is a distribution of observable after repeated measurements and that it follows some underlying rule parametrised by time, and you cannot observe things like "something blink in and then out of existence"?

Is this the quantum (classical free) way to interpret quantum?
 
12:04 PM
essentially yes, we can only measure observables
and the statistics of different measurements in equally prepared states will operatively characterize the state
you do not repeat measurements on the same system, but measure the same thing in equal but different systems each time
 
12:31 PM
Well you can repeat measurements if they commute :p
 
if you do a measurement, you change the state
anyways
 
Not if it's a eigenvalue of the measurement
Well, eigenvector
 
that is a rather special case
but I see you just wanted to make a pointless comment :-þ
 
Nitpicking is my favorite past time
 
:-D
 
12:39 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_parametric_down-conversion

Why the photons produced must have correlated polarisation and matching phase. How do the process ensures that?
 
I have no idea...seems a process similar to laser production
 
I guess it is just that two photons are produced by the process, and by conservation of angular momentum, they are correlated?
 
Hmm, I am not sure, but it soudn sensible to me
 
I am actually more curious on how people can bring two quantum states into coherence (let alone entangled)

Given that we cannot detect the phase of the amplitude directly (unlike an oscillating EM field) what do people use to bring the two states to coherance so they can start interfering (because they cannot see whether the phases are correlated until they measure the system, but that will end up changing it?
 
1:34 PM
@Danu: Can I ask you to also go through this list of g-wave questions?
 
1:46 PM
@Qmechanic Sure (though no more after that, please! I'm getting tired of these gravitational waves; other topics still welcome)
 
yep, the waves keep coming...
 
haha
 
omg, I have not post my GW question on PSE yet,
whatever, I am too sleepy, will do that later
 
Wait for the tsunami of waves to settle down.
 
@skillpatrol One too many :P
 
1:54 PM
:)
 
"I am an 13 year old boy who is very interested in science and I am totally embarrassed after reading the equation from Harold white 's warp field mechanics."
lawl
 
Nice
13 yo doing cutting edge mainstream physics research
 
@0celo7 you don't need to do research to be embarrassed by something
 
More recent pictures:
 
does your prof pay you for typing the lecture notes?
or at least if he publishes them you should be coauthor :-D
 
2:12 PM
@yuggib No, he doesn't know I do this.
@yuggib His TA advised against even showing him, since he "probably wouldn't like it". I'm still considering sending an e-mail, at least, with the files so he can look at them.
 
I see
 
I would listen to the TA.
 
I would not care, but I'm not a student anymore
 
I think he'd probably be impressed by the pictures, at least.
:P
 
(elaboration of previous question)
Given that we cannot detect the phase of the amplitude directly (unlike an oscillating EM field) what do people use to bring the two states to coherance so they can start interfering (because they cannot see whether the phases are correlated until they measure the system, but that will end up changing the system hence the states?
 
2:34 PM
Mathematically, two states can interfere if they are coherent and lies within the same hilbert space. What is the physical process(es) that allows one to bring one of the states into the same hilbert space and correlate their phases thus allowing them to produce an interference pattern?
 
2:51 PM
it does not work exactly like that
I don't know the experimental procedures to produce an "entangled" state
 
well, I don't necessary need them to be entangled, I just want to find out how to experimentally make two states interfere
and some wikipedia and PSE search suggest I need to first have the states under coherence
which then brings in to the question on how we can do that, because the phase is not directly measurable, hence how to exert some control on align their phases?
 
but mathematically it is pretty straightforward to prove that not all the vectors on $\mathscr{H}_1\otimes \mathscr{H}_2$ (or a proper symmetrization if $\mathscr{H}_1=\mathscr{H}_2$) can be written in the form $\varphi_1\otimes\varphi_2$, where $\varphi_j\in\mathscr{H}_j$ ($j=1,2$)
the ones that cannot be written that way, they are "entangled"
it is sufficient to turn on (for a very small time) essentially any interaction between the two systems to introduce correlation even if you start from an uncorrelated system
however I don't know how they do it in practice
there are surely lots of papers on that, for I think those experiments where worth Nobel prize(s)
the experimentalists would know much better than I do
I am a mathematician, for me existence is sufficient :-D
 
Hmm, in that case, maybe I should check any of my friends working in the quanutm computing department of my uni and see what I can get
thanks anyway
 
3:10 PM
@dmckee Thank you.
 
@Secret You really just use the right kind of interactions. Also, relative phases between two states are perfectly measurable.
 
perfectly? :P
</joke>
 
Well no, because the phase doesn't commute with the...
fuck what was it
Amplitude, apparently
 
@ Slereah wait phase don't commute with amplitude??

$ae^{i\theta}|blah\rangle\neq e^{i\theta}a|blah\rangle$?
 
@yuggib: Just stumbled over your comment discussion with CuriousOne. Physicists indeed are not consistent with using the word quantum, you can't really blame him for that. It's completely standard to talk about particles as "field quanta", and thinking about a photon as a "quantum of energy" - which Planck called the "quantum hypothesis" - is indeed the origin of the word.
 
Field particles are just eigenstaaates
I wouldn't even call them particles if it wasn't standard nomenclature
 
Maybe you are right, but it is only a source of confusion in my opinion. Historically quanta were really discrete amounts of some measurable quantity and not "excitations of a field" or whatever.
 
Yes but this isn't 1925 anymore
 
@Slereah eigenstates of what??
 
3:30 PM
Momentum operator
 
@Slereah That's about the quantum operator associated to measuring the classical phase of an electromagnetic field, not about measure a relative phase between quantum states.
 
good luck in finding those for free fields
 
@FenderLesPaul should be "moderately active" today, not not as much as tomorrow and Friday
 
Well free fields are easy
 
@FenderLesPaul I hope NYU sends the funding info today, though
 
3:31 PM
It's non free fields you gotta watch out for
 
@GPhys what the fuck is up with Berkeley and Stanford :p
 
anyways, the spectrum is rather likely continuous and not discrete
so good luck in defining eigenstates
 
@yuggib I agree that the word "quantum" or "quantized" is overused and that is confusing, but, well, it's kind of arbitrary which part of what it describes you want to keep calling quantum and for which part of it you have to invent a new word (not that you'd get anyone to follow your choice, anyway...)
@Slereah yuggib's point is that the $\lvert p\rangle$ we so like to write down doesn't lie inside the Hilbert space.
So it's not a "state", eigen or not.
 
@ACuriousMind in my opinion is a matter of meaning: quantum means definite quantity (of something), particle means small object
calling an object a quantum (i.e. a quantity of something) is rather misleading
 
@ACuriousMind IT IS IN A BOUNDED SPACE
 
3:35 PM
especially when the aforementioned something has not a discrete (i.e. quantized) spectrum
 
Ray of the rigged Hilbert space, if you want :V
You monster
 
@Slereah those are fancy words for a non-existence situation...you can only measure asymptotically free (i.e. unbound) states
and the rigged hilbert spaces are as nice as useless
 
@yuggib Yeah, it's misleading terminology, but that doesn't change that it is also standard terminology. You can't blame a physicist for using physics terminology ;)
 
I'm saying bounded space as in particle in a box :p
Totally normalized in that case
 
@ACuriousMind also calling electrons, photons, Higgs bosons, quarks, mesons, etc. particles is standard physics terminology
@Slereah that is not a quantum field :-þ
@ACuriousMind and he was making a fuss about using the word particle in quantum physics
 
3:38 PM
Why not
Do you know the boundary conditions of the universe, mister fancy pants
 
@yuggib Yep, the standard QFT text will have no problem telling you "In QFT, particles are described as field quanta".
 
@Danu : are you stalking me? Only comments like this appear to be deliberately derogatory. And since you have not replied to my correction, dishonest to boot.
 
Danu has far better things to do than stalk you, John.
 
@ACuriousMind I see your point, but in my opinion that's bad terminology also for physicists
 
@JohnDuffield Qmechanic asked Danu to go through all questions related to grav. waves, cf. this chat message
 
3:42 PM
@0celo7 : oh yeah? How about this example?
@ACM : it isn't about gravitational waves.
@Skill Patrol : must... just... stalk... instead.
 
@JohnDuffield The query Qmechanic linked catches all questions where "gravitational wave" is written in either the question or the answer - and one of the answers (and one comment) on that question contains it.
 
I would appreciate it if someone third could explain-to-OP/mediate/step-in/vote-to-reopen/vote-to-close here.
 
QUOTE: So could an analogy be made for gravitational waves where the sun disappeared and re-appeared about 250 times per second. Eight minutes later would we feel those gravitational pulses. In short are gravitational waves like gravity turned on and off?
==========
Hmm, other than "the sun disappear and reappear 250 times a second", I don't see why this question falls outside the context of mainstream physics enquiry...
 
It's not
Turning fields on and off is a pretty common approximation
 
3:57 PM
Mathematically such scenario should be easy to be plug into existing GR models, and I never knew of any "unphysical" condition is sufficient to be considered to have the question fall outside mainstream physics

Most non mainstream physics questions I have read so far, one can clearly see some alternate models at play, but here it is only a (possibly not realisable) physical condition, I don't see how that is off topic due to non mainstream
plus what Slereah just mentioned. I don't think this is off topic
 
@Qmechanic Eh, kinda hard because while I'm not sure "non-mainstream" was the right reason for closure (it seems kind of "letter but not spirit of the law" to me), I also don't really get what the question is asking.
 
@JohnDuffield As I said before, I'm not interested in any further discussions with you. And of course you can tell yourself that I'm stalking you, if you like that idea :)
 
@ACuriousMind The OP is basically asking what we would felt for an oscillating gravitational field caused by the sun turning on and off its gravity at 250 Hz
 
@Qmechanic I think that the question is now, after heavy editing, pretty decent.
The edit makes it very explicit that the scenario is just a poor way of describing a maybe-not-so-terrible idea because the OP isn't familiar enough with the material to cook up more realistic scenarios.
@ACuriousMind I finally finished the notes
Did you see my torus picture above? :D
 
@Secret We don't really feel the sun's gravity here, the gravitation we feel is completely dominated by earth's gravity
 
4:02 PM
So if I understood correctly, in the span of 8 minutes, how will the gravity changes as perceived at earth when the sun turn on and off its gravity at 250 Hz
-----
ok.
 
Well there's some sun gravity effects
Like
THE GREAT TIDES
When you have a sun moon alignment
 
@Danu I like the second one, the trefoil knot looks kinda weird to me
 
@ACuriousMind It's not my favorite.
 
what software you use to draw those pictures?
 
I was unable to generate it purely by my own hand---I had to mostly steal it from a TeX - LaTeX answer.
@Secret Only tex
@ACuriousMind The torus shape in that one is kind of ugly. But if you think the shape of the knot is weird: It's not, it is exactly what that thing really looks like (...if only I could show which parts are in front of and behind the torus...... :( )
 
4:08 PM
@Danu Most science drawings are stolen from tex answers
 
@Slereah Almost none of mine! :D
@Secret Maybe you could learn something from my drawings, haha ;D
 
@Danu If you draw all of the drawings in Milnor, we will crown you the TeX drawing champion
 
@0celo7 Pay me baby
 
How much?
 
@Danu will need to first work out how to draw them via tex first. In powerpoint or illustrator, those drawings should be easy to reproduce
 
4:10 PM
@0celo7 12 euros per hour?
@Secret No they're not ;)
 
@Danu The hell that's twice minimum wage
How long would it take you
 
12 euros per hour is pretty cheap for science work
I gave tutoring at 15
 
@Slereah Wtf?
Tutoring here is $8.50
 
Sorry ameripoors
 
I want some chips and salsa
 
4:19 PM
@0celo7 You can't have any
SCUM
 
why so bitter?
 
lol
 
@FenderLesPaul savage...
 
@0celo7 indeed
indeed...
 
4:24 PM
Are Ameripoors like Eurotrash? :)
 
yup, but it loses something in the exchange rate
 
Closest reproduced version via powerpoint
 
@Secret Pretty nice! Still, I much prefer my version because it is more precise (e.g. it is not an ellipse)
 
yup, gotta learn some tex to produce the rigorous versions of yours
@Slereah We the chemistry community requires all authors to produce original graphics. Graphics of others can only be used under permission of the respective authors
 
4:41 PM
Latex graphics are code, though
There's only so many ways you can write code for a square
 
This is drawn via sketchup, and to be used in my honours thesis
for example
 
wtf is that
@Danu Did you check the Cartan thing?
 
It's a velocity map imaging device. Basically you send a molecular beam which is then photolysed by a laser. Another laser then ionise the fragment which then hit the detector

We then use the distribution of the ions to work out the dynamics of the photolysis
 
Neat picture
 
...and the winners is by 12 lol's ...Danu over ACM
 
4:47 PM
lololololol
 
Hi all
 
hllo
 
FYI for whoever pinged me a while back about possibly targeted downvotes: there's not always much we mods can do about it but we'll check.
 
In the section 'The free particle' in 'Introduction to quantum mechanics' by Griffiths page 65. He has the wave equation as $$\Psi(x,t) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi}} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\phi(k)e^{i(kx-\omega t)}dk$$ He then makes statements about if $\phi(k)$ has a large spread then the momentum is ill-defined. Does $\phi(k)$ have such a strong influence on momentum because of the form of the equation of the expectation value of momentum?
 
4:58 PM
You @0celo7 are the champ
 
Hahahaha
 
What made you investigate this?
 
at least out loud...
 
@yuggib That was obvious ;)
 
5:00 PM
@skillpatrol Good.
 
@JohnDoe you'd want to look at the one for the variance of momentum, actually, which is $\langle \phi^2\rangle - \langle \phi\rangle^2$ (or maybe the other way around? I mix them up too often). Ill-defined momentum means the variance is large, more or less.
 
@Danu why? ;-)
I'm not a sad person...
 
@yuggib you're an analyst
 
Going to be HNQ, I'm calling it:
3
Q: If pencil tip is heated why doesn't it write?

Ashin VincentWhy doesn't a pencil write if its tip is heated in a candle flame?

^^He gets it
 
lol
:D
 
5:01 PM
@0celo7 analysts do it in infinite dimensions
therefore they can't be sad
 
ehh?
(pathetic attempt at happiness ;D)
 
^
 
user116211
Can anyone tell me what Liouville's theorem actually say?
 
If you have to prove that you can't be sad...that's pretty sad
 
maybe
 
user116211
5:03 PM
I think, it is saying, the phase-space distribution function is conserved quantity.
 
user116211
Am I right?
 
it says that the Hamiltonian flow (time evolution) preserves volumes in the phase space
 
this sort of surprised me for a regular
 
user116211
@skillpatrol The lol master!!
 
user116211
5:06 PM
@yuggib got it.
 
I like how he does it in caps
Makes him seem even older
 
it does
 
he is older (than the vast majority of the chat regulars)
 
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@yuggib The oldest, I suppose.
 
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or Rennie : /
 
5:10 PM
@yuggib I know
 
@Danu and @ACuriousMind : The reason I closed it as non-mainstream was because of the sentence the Sun disappeared and re-appeared about 250 times per second, which violates locality/causality. If OP had written e.g. the Sun performs an oscillatory/orbital motion about 250 times per second, it would be better.
 
But EVEN older than THAT
 
@Qmechanic Yes, I'm not saying you made a bad decision in closing it. I think the huge edit made a big difference, and would've voted to close as well before it was implemented.
 
5:25 PM
@DavidZ Why would the variance of momentum be $\langle \phi^2\rangle - \langle \phi\rangle^2$, should it not be $\langle p^2\rangle - \langle p\rangle^2$?
@DavidZ Are you quoting directly from Griffiths book or is this something that may have been omitted?
 
5:40 PM
John, let me try to explain it from a different angle: If $\phi(k)$ is a delta-function then you're dealing with an eigenstate of $p$, right.
If $\phi(k)$ is nonzero for not just one value of $k$ but (in)finitely many, you get a superposition of momentum eigenstates.
This means that for every $k$ such that $\phi(k)\neq 0$ there is a chance of you measuring the momentum to be $k$ (recall that measurement is essentially projecting onto any of the eigenstates with probability for each given by norm-squared)
Hence if $\phi(k)\neq 0$ ("has support") for a large range of $k$ it means that an experiment can result in many different momenta being measured.
 
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