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Anonymous
00:00
Oh, the close votes might be because of @JimReynolds' edit.
Anonymous
> Is this sentence, with these tenses, grammatical?
Anonymous
I think that ELL as a whole probably has a bit of a kneejerk reaction to questions titled "is this sentence grammatical" or such.
The word "grammatical" has become an undesirable word on ELL!
Hmm... I've just noticed that we have this question.
Alex - the pronunciations may be known to speakers - but ask a normal person what sound they are making for plurals (s, es, z, ez/iz) and you'll get a blank look. The same look when speaking about voiced/unvoiced :D It's from that side of the fence I'm coming from. // So I either have to analyse existing pron-resources and extract, or try to fathom is a resource is British or American (and likely translate from ARPA/SAMPA to IPA or worse :( ) — often frustrated 2 days ago
Not sure if they want phonemic or phonetic transcriptions. I guess the former.
Anonymous
They said phonetic, but they may not be making a conceptual distinction between the two.
Anonymous
00:17
I think that everyone knows the word phonetic, but the distinction between phonetic and phonemic is generally unknown outside linguistics.
nods -- Which could be a problem in this case.
Anonymous
On Stack Exchange, it seems only a fairly small minority of users know what the two are.
Anonymous
So we have to be very careful using these terms in comments and answers.
Anonymous
Alex B already mentioned the Longman Pronunciation Dictionary, which is the OP's best bet.
Anonymous
One of the other major pronunciation dictionaries should work, too.
00:25
I'm reading a PhD thesis which reports that human listeners can achieve only 70-80% correct in a voicing identification task on stop consonants. (I think context clues weren't given, which could be a tough task.)
It's strange that they can identify the places of articulation of those consonants much more reliably (~90-97% level).
@snailboat I think most dictionaries don't include the pronunciation of the -s, -ed-, -ing forms.
I used to be very confused whether I should pronounce gently as "gent-ly" or "gen-tly".
(or "gent-tly", if you'd allow such a transcription)
Then I realized that it doesn't really matter as long as I pronounce all the phonemes "g-e-n-t-l-i".
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Well, that's why I specified the major pronunciation dictionaries, of which there are three.
Anonymous
Still, I would expect at least some regular dictionaries to provide pronunciation for irregular forms.
Anonymous
Let's see if Macmillan lists /sez/.
Anonymous
Nope!
00:36
sad!
Anonymous
Let's see if the LPD does.
Anonymous
Yes, it does!
Yay! +1 for LPD!
Anonymous
It lists /sez/, but it also lists /seɪz/ for BrE, with 84% /sez/ and 16% /seɪz/ in British English.
Oh! I didn't expect /seɪz/ is used by anyone!
Anonymous
00:41
The regularized /seɪz/ seems to be an innovation used by a minority of BrE speakers.
That's really interesting!
If it's new, it'd mean that they have to speak differently from their parents or their peers.
Anonymous
Well, pronunciation does change over time.
Anonymous
In every language.
Anonymous
I wonder if /seɪz/ is a northern thing.
user116848
00:44
Hello guys
user116848
I wonder if the preposition on is correct in this sentence: "The place is like on a 45 min to 1 hour drive from where I live. "
02:45
Why "on"? from-to
03:21
@Arrowfar You don't use "on" there.
"It's a ten-minute walk to the store."
Right, even "from" is unnecessary
03:55
Hi @stu
04:28
Hi back at @JimReynolds
04:41
How are you?
Did you look up overwhelm in some dictionaries and translators?
05:31
0
Q: When is incorrect grammar ok to use, in order to "reach" your audience?

JimPresident Obamma said something to the effect:(referring to Trayvon Martin) "I could have been him" or "he could have been me" Michelle said something similar referring to a schoolgirl killed in Chicago. Readers of this web site know that grammatically, the above sentences are incorrect. My ques...

Is "I could have been him" wrong grammatically?
"Why the downvote?" he asked, a single tear rolling down his cheek as he promised he could change. — John Clifford Feb 5 at 14:01
06:08
Congrats on the answer, @V.V.!
You might add that we rely on context in such cases.
A headline saying "Man reaches the Moon" will likely mean "humanity", so there will be generalization.
Which one?
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A: Meaning of zero article in headlines: "Man has serious injuries after being rescued"

V.V.This is a special style of newspaper headlines. Articles, auxiliary verbs and "be" are often left out to save space. Actor dies. (An actor has died.) There's no generalization at all.

Be Back Later!
06:22
I have done two here and one RSE.
06:47
@CopperKettle, thanks.
 
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Q: When is incorrect grammar ok to use, in order to "reach" your audience?

JimPresident Obamma said something to the effect:(referring to Trayvon Martin) "I could have been him" or "he could have been me" Michelle said something similar referring to a schoolgirl killed in Chicago. Readers of this web site know that grammatically, the above sentences are incorrect. My ques...

> Readers of this web site know that grammatically, the above sentences are incorrect.
Wow...
12:17
"Although descriptive grammars and prescriptive usage manuals differ in the range of topics they treat, there is no reason in principle why they should not agree on what they say about the topics they both treat. The fact they do not is interesting. There are several reasons for the lack of agreement. We deal with three of them here: (a) the basis in personal taste of some prescriptivist writers’ judgements; (b) the confusion of informality with ungrammaticality; and (c) certain invalid arguments sometimes appealed to by prescriptivists." -- CGEL, p. 6. — Damkerng T. 28 secs ago
12:41
> "Facebook is ancient, Snapchat's just old."
> Mark Zuckerberg just turned 30. That's 80 in mobile-messaging years.
@IͶΔ I suppose that you got my age right, then. :-)
> Most news reports about Snapchat describe it as the perfect tool for "sexting," as any inappropriate content quickly disappears. Is that really what it's mostly used for? "I don't really think so at all," said Linarte. "That's not so much a thing," agreed Leonard.
How should I understand that "That's not so much a thing"?
> "I couldn't tell you, you're asking the wrong person," said Leonard. "I'm behind the curve so to speak."
Behind the curve at 19 years old. That's, like, 40 in Snapchat years.
LOL
(And that article is from 2 years ago. That's, like, how many years in SE?)
 
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15:35
@DamkerngT. Watched Inception?
Well, that's 20 SE years.
15:49
Hmm... I used to think that in front of is a single unit.
But perhaps there is nothing special to it.
Just like in the middle of, at the bottom of, etc., there is no need to make it a single unit.
Even though it's a pretty common "chunk".
16:38
Hey.
Anyone here?
I don't know.
Heeeey! Anyooonee!
Nope. Nobody seems to be here.
:p
I require assistance.
I too.
(0:
Could i go first? :p
I should be reading something. Just peeked in to say hello. (0:
You'd better pose a question on the main site, or push @DamkerngT. out of sleep. (0:
16:42
it's just a single sentence i'm curious about.
BBL (0:
@CopperKettle Hello!
okkkaaayyy.. :p
Good evening! (0:
BBL!
16:42
o/
What's the question? @lekonchekon
Name a few things person x likes that i don't know about.

The above sentence is grammatically totally correct, right?
nods -- I agree.
my second question.

If i removed the THAT from that sentence, it'd still be correct, right?
nods -- Yes, I think it's fine.
thanks. :p
16:45
No problem. :-)
I think most people would keep that that, though. But I can be wrong on this one.
and i've been going through the section of The practical grammar usage dedicated to how we could leave out certain prepositions.
Oh, that's nice! :D
And i'm curious about something.
I read how one can choose not to use On when using certain constructions in informal English.
And what i was wondering is.

What day is your birthday?
My birthday is 24th dec.

I feel it'd be better to use On in both the Question, and the response in the above example.
Does it sound weird to you without the On as well?
16:48
Wow! This could be tricky! (I just misheard There's so much to discuss as There's so much to disgust!)
@lekonchekon I think it's the opposite for me.
I think I'm more familiar with the omission on this one.
xD
Technically, either should be fine, right?
Yes. I think so.
now.
Could we omit the In when talking about months?
Like,

What month were you born?
If the answer has to be a full sentence, I think in is necessary.
But it's the same with the date. Birthday makes the difference, I suppose.
I actually have never come across anyone not using the IN when talking about months or years. :p
16:53
It's too weird to say things like, She was born April.
or She was born the 4th, for that matter.
What year did the world war 2 end?
What year ...........end in?

the latter seems more appropriate to me. :p
Hmm... but it's not that weird saying She was born the 4th of July.
exactly. :p
> Twas but a fly perhaps you'll say,
That's born in April, dies in May;
That does but just learn to display
His wings one minute,
>And in the next is vanish'd quite.
A bird devours it in his flight —
Or come a cold blast in the night,
There's no breath in it.
in April and in May
16:55
:')
Note to self -- "Learning English with Flies" could be a good book title. :D
@lekonchekon I'm okay with either.
I think this is where familiarity and analogy show their power best.
My maxim: in language, we mostly go by familiarity and analogy.
(as opposed to a formal grammar)
Hello, @V.V.!
Hi,@DamkerngT.!
thanks @DamkerngT. for all the help. :p
You're welcome. :-)
Hi,@lekonchekon!
17:03
@V.V

Hey. :)
wow, i couldn't even tag you right. ._.
Can I ask you?
@V.V. You mean @lekonchekon?
Yes
I guess as much. :-)
How are you,@DamkerngT.?
17:06
I'm gonna take a break. BBL -- Have a nice chat, everyone! o/
@V.V. I'm good. Thanks! Hope you're good, too! :D
Thanks, I'm OK
@V.V. Did you want to ask me something?
I thought you ran away.
nah, i'm still here. :p
I prefer keeping this tab open while i do other stuff on my computer. :p
Yes, I just read your sentences. And noticed one thing.You say "on what"or "for what", something of the kind, with prepositions. Right?
17:17
I'm sorry, i don't quite get what you're trying to convey here. :p
I have never found myself using "On what" to be honest. :p
i was curious about how to leave out certain prepositions properly. :p
I read " what day",perhaps, sorry, if I misunderstood that.
I am interested to know how you make your examples
:P
i just come up with them. :p
I thought you were reading some book.
:p
i don't books all that much.
I get bored pretty easy. :p
Where're you from?
Books are obsolete.
17:33
I think you are creative.
You can see the profile
whose profile?
And read between the lines
Mine?
About whom you need information
Whose question was "where from".
17:39
|:
What's the time at your places?
12:39
Morning?
Afternoon.
Or midnight?
17:42
Between 12 and 13 hours after the beginning of the day in local time.
it's a quarter past 11 in the night here. :p
What were the emoticons like?I can't see them.
Let's guess, bjb, perhaps, the US,lekon is somewhere in the east,not far.
No?
@bjb568 Oh, no! That's really bad news!
dam.
:p
i require assistance once again. :p
17:56
@V.V. Lekon is in India. Or Pakistan. Due South a coupla thousand kilometers from me. (0:
How else would you explain how much you love reading book?

(i know how one can use "how else would you explain your love for books", or something.)
is the above sentence fine?
India, i'm in India. :p
@lekonchekon Books
@lekonchekon Yes, sorry, I forgot. (0:
It's okay. :p
> How else would you explain how much you love reading books?
Seems fine.
@lekonchekon Should be fine.
Everyone agrees!
17:59
Due South is a Canadian crime series with elements of comedy. The series was created by Paul Haggis, produced by Alliance Communications, and stars Paul Gross, David Marciano, Gordon Pinsent, Beau Starr, Catherine Bruhier, Camilla Scott, Ramona Milano, and latterly Callum Keith Rennie. It ran for 67 episodes over four seasons, from 1994 to 1999. Set in Chicago, the show follows the adventures of Constable Benton Fraser (Paul Gross), an officer of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), who is attached to the Canadian consulate but works with Detective Raymond Vecchio of the Chicago Police...
That was a nice series. (0:
to be honest.
I was talking with this female over text, and she said "How else would you explain how much she likes to take selfies?", and started wondering whether it's correct or not. :p
It is, right?
Seems okay.
i often get confused with where to use "The way", and where to use "how", some times it comes to me as though they're interchangeable.

I'll love you the way you deserve to be loved.
I'll love you how you deserve to be loved.
i often get confused with where to use "The way", and where to use "how", some times it comes to me as though they're interchangeable.

I'll love you the way you deserve to be loved.
I'll love you how you deserve to be loved.
the former seems so much better to me all of a sudden. :|
I'd use only one you in all those.
18:07
the former seems so much better to me all of a sudden. :|
which one would you use, the one with How, or the one with The way?
My natural choice is "the way".
But "you deserve to be loved" is odd.
Oh, I see. I think I misunderstood your sentence.
It's an odd sentence anyway, perhaps not grammatically, but semantically.
you deserve to be love, that part seems fine to me. :p
I meant, in the sentence.
i'm more concerned about "The Way", and "How".
The sentence is already odd. It's perhaps too marginal with how.
18:14
huh. :p
okay then. :p
It sounds as if the speaker thinks she (or he) doesn't deserve his (or her) love.
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Q: Copyright issues with grammar literature quotations on ELL StackExchange

CopperKettleI quoted extensively from Quirk et al's book on English grammar in one of my recent answers on ELL StackExchange, and a thought came to me: what is the maximum amount beyond which a quotation might infringe upon the copyright? I don't want for my answers to be lost because someday some copyrigh...

Per @ColleenV's advice, asked it there.
Should I kill the question on meta now, or I might let it stay?
I'd say let it stay, at least a day or two, and see what others think.
I wonder what @jimsug would think about the issue. :D
18:22
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@DamkerngT. thanks for your help once again.
I'll probably be back here later tonight with a few more problems. :p
(i'm sorry my stupid questions make me come off obnoxious)
if my*
Laterz!
@lekonchekon No problem. -- I think great minds need curiosity. So, don't worry. :D
@CopperKettle o/
:)
I'll come back here later. :p
bye for now.
o/
Oh! It's available on vinyl!
I landed on the album while searching for "Who's they?". I've just noticed that he said "Who's they?", not "Who're they?".
> Dr. Brand: We had no choice. But something sent you here. They chose you.
Cooper: Well who's "they"?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816692/quotes
I can't recall that he said "Well" before "Who's they". And nothing in his intonation suggests the quotes around that they.
rechecking that scene on my PVR...
A-ha! He did say something that sounded like an /l/. So, it's more like, "'L who's they?"
Anonymous
18:44
@DamkerngT. When I read "Well who's they?" a few messages ago, I actually imagined reducing the first half of the world like that :-)
Anonymous
Quotes or italics would indicate that they is used metalinguistically, meaning "Who does the word 'they' refer to?"
Anonymous
I suppose it doesn't necessarily need to be indicated via intonation, or really any mechanism, because who's they with non-metalinguistic they is ungrammatical.
Anonymous
But it's a courtesy to give your reader some sort of indication :-)
@snailboat The use-mention distinction is implied in this case, I guess.
Popping in to say good evening @snailboat!
Anonymous
18:47
Thanks for dropping by, Copper Kettle :-)
Popping in to say I'm popping out for the night and it's so sad that @Snail started her conference and I'm not here to star anything.
Anonymous
I'll just upload the hamster picture I uploaded in the other room.
Anonymous
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More, more, more, ...
Anonymous
It's hard to get pictures of these two, because they wake up particularly late and aren't terribly sociable.
18:52
I wonder what the label says. "Run ...t Ball"
Anonymous
It says: Run About Ball
@snailboat I remember that the last time you posted a picture, your hamster still didn't have a name.
Anonymous
A ball for running about!
@snailboat A-ha! Thanks!
Anonymous
They're named Crazy Apple and Silly Cow.
18:54
What names!
Anonymous
Those are the names my brother gave them. :-)
Lemme guess. The guy in the photo is Silly Cow. :D
Anonymous
That's right!
Anonymous
They're both girls, though. Sisters.
Yay!
Oh!
Anonymous
18:55
And this is Crazy Apple:
Hmm... I can't tell that from here.
Anonymous
user image
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Ahh... Crazy Apple does look feminine.
Anonymous
Well, hamsters of both sexes look pretty similar.
Anonymous
Males are a little bit larger, but you wouldn't know it from a photograph.
18:57
nods -- They're cute either way. :-)
Anonymous
But since they're grown up, the easiest way would be to look at the tail area.
Anonymous
The photos I shared don't provide a very clear picture of that area, so you probably can't tell very easily from the photos.
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. I'm looking through my hamster pictures, but I see very few that make it clear whether they're males or females!
How often do they run about the ball? All day long, or a few times a day?
@snailboat Tell the gender of an animal can be tricky!
Anonymous
Oh, not even that often. That would be too much excitement for them. :-)
19:01
Hah!
Anonymous
These hamsters don't really want to be picked up or play. They'll let you pick them up, but they don't really care for it.
Anonymous
It is nice for hamsters to spend some time outside their cage in a larger space.
Anonymous
We did get larger cages for the hamsters than we had before, although you can't tell from those pictures.
To nibble something? :D
Anonymous
They're very long cages.
Anonymous
19:03
@DamkerngT. Rodents in general are always chewing. Unlike humans, they just get one set of teeth, and those teeth just keep growing forever.
Anonymous
So they have to chew to keep them worn down to the proper length.
Anonymous
If they don't, they'll start having trouble eating or risk other problems.
Anonymous
So hamsters, like other rodents, always need stuff to chew.
Anonymous
And they chew everything! :-)
19:04
I whole-heartedly agree, but allow me to play devils advocate for a moment.
For all intents and purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a dime-a-dozen, true virtues are a blessing in disguise. We often put our false morality on a pedestal like a bunch of prima donnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granted. So I ask of you to muster up all the strength you can because it is a dog eat dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge chip on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to thr
@bjb568 o_O?
Anonymous
Thank you for your idiom pile.
It takes rocket science to kill two rockets with one bird, though. :P
this krills the bird
19:07
Quite likely!
Anonymous
Maybe you can win the Nobel for inventing a method of destroying two rockets with only one bird, without bringing harm to the bird.
19:18
Well, you could get a million bucks by solving P = NP = EXP and dramatically advancing the field of fluid flow with a faster algorithm that can predict the result of the butterfly bird effect.
Solving P = EXP positively, of course.
I thought someone has already taken the prize!
Talking about math, I wonder what they used to produce the graph in this answer (from a HNQ):
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A: Why derivative can be non-linear?

KasterAnd a simple image that solidifies what everyone has said already :)

19:48
@DamkerngT. desmos.com
@bjb568 That's very neat! Thank you very much!
 
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Q: I am making dependent

bart-lebyIf I were to join the Communist Party someday (something that, in turn, I am making dependent on one last twist of fate), my stance would be to behave always radically and never logically when it came to the most important things. Could you please clarify to me the passage in the brackets in th...

A nice piece of translation, imho.
21:58
@Cop Certain facts have been revealed to us by fiat!
Breakfast cannot be abstract. It is a mass noun which you can smell, touch, eat, and even count depending on nouns. You can't count (I mean it is extremely difficult to count) the number of grains in a bushel, but you can surely count the number of bacon in your breakfast plate. They are not abstract. They are just food, almost all of which is a mass noun. — Rathony 5 hours ago
We can.count it depending on nouns.
22:42
But if breakfast is a "meal", and a meal is an occasion, could we smell, touch, eat, and even count depending on nouns in such an occasion?
In other words, should a noun for an occasion of having a hamburger, if we have one, be considered concrete or abstract?
Or should we even care?
Can something be sorta fuzzy and unclear whether it's concrete or abstract?
Sometimes I think we're limited by our tools, and it's our language in this case.
(I'm so happy that I can type fast even though my browser is supposed to have already crashed since it takes over 2.6 GB of my memory, but for some reason, it's not only not-crash-yet; it's very fast!)
LOL -- And so it crashed!
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A: Does an uncountable noun take an article if it has an adjective before it?

Maulik VI already chose oerkelens' answer but I found something useful while reading Swan's Book. I think it's very helpful and thus answering here. With certain uncountable nouns – especially nouns referring to human emotions and mental activity – we often use a/an when we are limiting their meaning in...

Interesting... I didn't know (or perhaps simply forgot) that the OP can accept their own answer.
Apparently, I still agree with my vote, which is not accepted answer or the answer mentioned in the accepted answer.
23:14
Come to think of it, maybe breakfast is not quite like education.
(or dislike or sensitivity)
I guess it's more like form.
(Form is my prototype word for a class of nouns that can function as either a countable or an uncountable noun, with somewhat different underlying meanings (or mental representations) between the pair of count-noncount of each of them.)

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