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02:40
I need some help with understanding the conversation between myself and Joel: mathoverflow.net/questions/230143/…
Is there anyway we can think about this ^ in terms of category theory so that I myself can get a better understanding?
In 1., refer to Proposition 16
In 2., refer to Corollary 1.6 and 1.7
In 3., refer to the definition of a "subword order" on the first page
I am just looking for a more through explanation of everything and maybe in terms of category theory.
@Julian Exactly what don't you understand? I am sorry but it is genuinely not clear to me what's confusing you
(also I am not really sure what this has to do with category theory)
Do you know what $\omega$ is?
And, maybe more importantly, what $\omega+1$ is
No. I think that is the problem
I am sorry for not knowing but I just do not.
$\omega$ is the totally ordered set of nonnegative integers
(@Denis)
$\omega=\{0<1<2<3<4<\cdots\}$
02:53
and $\omega+1$?
And how about $2^{<\omega}$?
In general, once you have two totally ordered set $A$ and $B$ you can form another totally ordered set $A+B$ by declaring that for every $a\in A$ and $b\in B$ $a<b$
In particular $\omega+1 =\{0<1<2<3<\cdots<\omega\}$
I don't know what $2^{<\omega}$ is, but I think that the order-preserving bijection $\omega\to \omega^*$ that JDH is describing is clear enough
$\langle\rangle < 0 < 1 < 00 < 01 < 10 < 11 < 2 < 02 < 12 < 20 < 21 < \cdots $
And $\omega^*$ is the free monoid over $A$?
Yep, I'm using your notation there
So $+1$ makes $\omega$ finite?
No
Why should it?
02:59
Ok because I still don't get $\omega+1$
The point is that in $(\omega+1)*$ with the subword ordering every object has finitely many objects below, while this is not true in $\omega +1$
Any order preserving bijection $f:\omega+1\to (\omega+1)^*$ has to send the maximum of $\omega+1$ to some element with infinitely many predecessors, but such an element does not exists
That is, if $f:\omega+1\to (\omega+1)^*$ is an order preserving bijection, then every $f(n)$ is a distinct subword of $f(\omega)$, but this is impossible since $f(\omega)$ does not have infinitely many subwords
Is this clearer @Julian?
Sort of. But more so than last.
So how can I apply this analogy to what I stated about wqo'ness?
I think is that the point is that you can't
Or at least, not in an obvious way
Can you think of a non-obvious way?
Note that the subword ordering is always well-quasi-ordered though, so I do not understand your question at all
Ok, sorry but I've got to go now. Good luck with your work!
03:09
@EricPeterson Hey. Do you have any guess as to why Spanier doesn't treat Van Kampen's theorem in his AT book?
Just something I find curious.
He does give a simple version of it for simplicial complexes in an exercise, but I didn't find much more than that.
03:40
Can anyone tell me if we can form an order-perserving bijection between a wqo set X and a well-ordered (or suborder ordered) free monoid X^* over X?
04:20
@JulianRachman Don't cross post. =)
In all seriousness, you should try and give that question some time: read more about the subject and perhaps you will be able to get answers on your own.
04:52
@PedroTamaroff My apologies. I just would really like some advice pertaining to this question.
What books have you tried?
 
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12:35
Are there comprehensive written accounts of Dyer-Lashof operations aside from Cohen-Lada-May?
I mean, there is the original article by Dyer-Lashof, of course...
 
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15:15
@PedroTamaroff nope no idea. does seem like an odd decision
16:08
@EspenNielsen I'm rather a fan of the book "$H_\infty$ Ring Spectra and their Applications" (also by May and collaborators). Chapter VIII section 3 there (by McClure) specifically treats the homology Dyer-Lashof operations
Section IX.1 in the same book deals with homology operations over more general spectra
16:40
@PeterNelson Thank you very much! I will take a look.
17:10
@Espen there's also these notes of Rezk: math.uiuc.edu/~rezk/power-operation-lectures.dvi and there's notes from a course on the Sullivan conjecture: ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/…
 
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21:46
@TylerLawson Thanks!

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