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Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
5:14 AM
Hi everyone. If I need to convert a JPEG file to a PDF file, and convert isn't cutting it. It was suggested to me that I could just embed the JPEG in a LaTeX file, and get a PDF that way. Does that sound reasonable?
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
5:29 AM
@FaheemMitha Yes that should work.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
5:40 AM
@AlanMunn Ok. Thanks. That does not seem to be commonly done, though.
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
6:09 AM
@FaheemMitha Well if you have a way to generate PDF without an intermediate JPG at all, that would be preferable I think.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
6:30 AM
@AlanMunn Oh, certainly.
 
Romain Picot
Romain Picot
7:25 AM
@yo' Perhaps I try to come to the PhD defense too but I've some bureaucracy paper to do to explain what have done in one year and have to check it with my supervisors so it's not only me :/
@yo' And may be in conflict with other licenses too
 
Romain Picot
Romain Picot
7:40 AM
 
yo'
yo'
8:37 AM
@RomainPicot Sorry I lost you completely. This question has no edits on it, so it's been about GrindEq since its very beginning .... ?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@yo' I think it's the sentence
> How can we proceed with conversion Latex to MS word if references in Latex document are added using bibtex?
which is a general question
 
Romain Picot
Romain Picot
@yo' Well I may have extrapolate. For me the OP just want his/her code working not especially with GrindEq
@JosephWright Exactly !
 
yo'
yo'
@JosephWright Ah ok. I missed this part, sorry. Well, still the problem with GrindEq has a very easy answer, which cannot be really posted in the generic question...
Btw, a +300 answer to a -100 question. I just wowed.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@yo' The funny thing is that the Powers have a point. CC BY-SA is only suitable for code if you are wanting GPL-equivalence. The problem then is that there is a vocal subset of people who seem to think that SO is meant to be doing exactly that. The Powers though have not helped themselves by setting a date in advance and not sticking to an existing license in full for their suggestions.
They've also completely failed to address the 'what counts as code' thing
 
yo'
yo'
@JosephWright And they have failed to hear what we think. Almost like if "we want to hear what you think" means just "hear" as stated, and not "listen" as would be appropriate.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
8:48 AM
@yo' Indeed: like I say, I see that they have a point, I'm not saying they've handled it at all well
@yo' For example, upvotes on the question have been interpreted as positive about the idea rather than 'this is a good topic for discussion'
52
Q: Relicensing code from answers

Loop SpacePart of the discussion about packaging some of the TikZ answers into a LaTeX package has centred on the issue of licensing the code. Contributions here are licensed under a CC license (see links at the bottom of the page) which isn't the best for software: even the people behind the CC licenses ...

discussion licensing
 
yo'
yo'
@JosephWright I understand this. I don't like making licenses a big deal. I understand people who re-license their TeX.SE code as WTFPL. I also understand that choosing the good license is a problem. But they are not solving this problem.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright morning (you should have written my last answer, I don't know what I'm talking about really:-)
 
yo'
yo'
@JosephWright FWIW, MIT license does not solve this problem at all. Or does it? Is LPPL compatible with MIT?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Getting people to give me prefixes continues to be an issue: I should do another sweep over TL (I think it is a sensible plan)
@yo' With the usual 'I have no legal background' warning, my take is that you can use MIT-licensed code in a LPPL package provided you note that those parts to which the MIT license applies
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@DavidCarlisle if too packages define \foo
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
8:53 AM
@yo' MIT only requires that you say where the code came from and that any reuse does the same
@yo' Of course, unless this is tested in court we don't know (see current tex-hyphen list discussion about re-licensing to avoid LPPL precisely because it's never been tested in that way, for example)
@DavidCarlisle Are you following the tex-hyphen business?
 
yo'
yo'
@JosephWright And from what I understood (and yes, I read both meta Qs), the attribution is non-standard and can be legally removed by easy tricks...
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Johannes_B yes just fixed that (and a few others:-) usually takes a few iterations to eliminate typos
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@DavidCarlisle :-D
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright no, I probably should be. tug.org mail list?
@JosephWright oh there were some questions before Christmas about licencing hyphenation on some list or other, is that ongoing?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@RomainPicot ooh <3
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
8:57 AM
@DavidCarlisle tug.org/pipermail/tex-hyphen, specifically tug.org/pipermail/tex-hyphen/2016-January/001344.html (FMi might also be interested)
@DavidCarlisle Ongoing
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg yay!
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle I'm mainly watching for interest
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright will read
@JosephWright people use the internet to watch all kinds of things out of interest:-)
4
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle I can see Google's point about the LPPL
 
yo'
yo'
@JosephWright so can I. In the TeX's world, it's probably fine, despite important and unique, we are small and can handle a lot of things in "good will". For Google, this is not so quite the case.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
9:02 AM
@yo' Exactly. I guess if I were writing code in an area where the MIT license or similar is common, it would be likely my choice.
@yo' The irony with the 'legal challenge' business is that if you do a good job of the license and getting people to play fair then it will never happen ...
 
Romain Picot
Romain Picot
@PauloCereda Coin Coin ! :)
 
yo'
yo'
@JosephWright Possibly; like we use to choose LPPL... However, the way how they try to introduce it on SE is twisted round. First, double licensing, second, altered licence, third, complete lack of good explanation.
LPPL has one more problem: This open source license is not open source enough for some people out there.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@yo' ?
 
yo'
yo'
@JosephWright Debian?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@yo' No, the whole 1600 email business was about making sure they were OK with it
 
yo'
yo'
9:08 AM
@JosephWright sorry, but if it takes 1600 mails with them, and 0 mails with anybody else, something is wrong.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright just caught up on that thread, can't say I disagree with the LPPL description:-)
@yo' they have special status as so many other linux (and other) distributions use the debian open source guidelines as reference, so if debian had said latex wasn't open source then most linux distributions would have dropped it.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
Romain Picot
Romain Picot
@yo' For the FSF too ;-)
 
yo'
yo'
@DavidCarlisle ok, I wasn't so much aware of this. After all, I don't really care personally (and selfishly)
@RomainPicot FSF?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright personally once we decided to give up on the "must rename" clause I'd have flipped to something more like CC0 (not that as it was probably before that was formalised) but just saying as little as possible but that isn't the way it turned out and after months of fractious discussion we were just glad to get anything that everyone would agree to.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
9:14 AM
@RomainPicot They've not looked at if for years and of course their position is that the GPL is the only way to go (really). Frank and Richard Stallman have I believed discussed things in the past.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@yo' well you might have cared (or at least might have been using some other software by now) had that discussion ended differently.
 
Romain Picot
Romain Picot
@yo' Free Software Fundation (GNU GPL addict ;-)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Yes, had I been involved I'd have gone that way (perhaps MIT rather than CC0 as the latter isn't formally a license, and there's the whole acknowledgement business)
 
Romain Picot
Romain Picot
@JosephWright LGPL is fine too ;-)
 
yo'
yo'
@DavidCarlisle well, I don't install vanilla, so I don't need texlive in my distro ;-)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
9:16 AM
@RomainPicot Stallman was involved in the above mentioned thread when LPPL 1.3 was written (everyone was involved at some point:-)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@yo' Yes, but various things depend on (La)TeX so there's a knock-on effect
 
yo'
yo'
@JosephWright I know. Still, this can happen if Norbert refuses to comply with what they "preach".
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@RomainPicot Not sure that's quite true: they really want as much as possible GPLv3
 
Romain Picot
Romain Picot
@JosephWright you're right but they "accept" LGPL too otherwise why create it
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@RomainPicot Fair enough
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
9:19 AM
@RomainPicot It's an organisation they don't always agree and it has gone on a long time so sometimes change their mind, Stallman has published before now saying LGPL was a mistake (and try to reclassify the first L as "lesser" from the original "Library" as he thinks libraries should be GPL)
 
Romain Picot
Romain Picot
@DavidCarlisle I think they changed their minds also because people have used LGPL for other stuff than library and it was not intended
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright good idea on ltnews, hopefully keep everyone happy and fill out the space..
 
yo'
yo'
@DavidCarlisle "Proprietary software developers have the advantage of money; free software developers need to make advantages for each other." -- Bullshit. And the reason why I've never believed anything that got out of GNU about licences is reasonable. This approach puts small independent developers in the worst possible situation; because they don't have the money, but they are "proprietary developers".
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
Good maen
 
yo'
yo'
That's why I truly hate this "free only for free people" approach. As if "free people" was a higher caste.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
9:27 AM
@yo' RMS has a certain rhetoric style and zeal that I don't always agree with, (and I do work for a proprietary software company:-) but has to be said that without that zeal open source software (and a lot of proprietary software) would not be where it is today.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle True
 
yo'
yo'
@DavidCarlisle But the problem is that I don't understand how software is open if it's closed. Almost like it is clopen if you release it under GPL.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@yo' ?
 
yo'
yo'
@DavidCarlisle Well, if you don't make your library available to someone who makes money on it, what's the goal?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@yo' That's the whole question of MIT/BSD-style licenses versus GPL-style ones
 
yo'
yo'
9:31 AM
@JosephWright yep, exactly. GPL is "we do things for ourselves, actually". BSD is "we do things for everybody".
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@yo' Do you want someone to take work you've made available for free, alter it and make it available only in complied form
 
yo'
yo'
@JosephWright Probably not. Do I want to prevent people from doing this? I don't think so.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@yo' we don't produce open source software (mostly) we sell a software library, but it's written (mosty) in emacs and initially developed (mostly) on linux the build system is gnu make, it's often compiled with gcc and so it goes. Even in proprietary software companies the entire software stack is held together by open source software.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Not all: I guess MS use their own closed-source compiler, IDEs, etc. for developing Windows
 
yo'
yo'
@DavidCarlisle yes, and then (sorry, it's a stupid thing), you can use a GPL library, but only if you soft-link it, not hard-link. WHAT?! (I hope I got this right.)
sorry, I gotta go now. See you later.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
9:34 AM
@yo' Like I say, that's the 'big question': some people really don't like the idea that their work can be used without it also being open, others are not keen on the restrictions this imposes, so we have different licenses
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright some people at MS yes (but note MS just moved their entire .NET software stack from their own closed codeplex source control to git, so even there open source is used more than you might expect)
@yo' and of the open source unix like systems what proportion use linux and what proportion use BSD? Not everyone likes the way GPL spreads itself but it works (and worked well enough to kill off sun and other commercial unix vendors in the end)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Sure, it's complex
@DavidCarlisle BSD still about, though
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright yes but linux spread more. Partly that's about functionality but the fact that it uses a licence written with the explicit intention of forcing the spread of like minded software is not exactly a coincidence.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Oh, sure
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright speaking of software development, I'd better go and do some....
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
9:41 AM
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
ooh firefox just restarted with a command line interface
 
egreg
egreg
@DavidCarlisle The joys of being on Windoze?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle ?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@egreg @JosephWright ^^^^
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Ooh
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
9:49 AM
One of the fun things about using nightly as your default browser is that you never quite know what they are going to throw at you (it changes at least once a day:-)
@PauloCereda +100 thanks:-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle :)
How can I report a bad behaviour that seems to be reproduced on TL2015 but not previous versions?
Nevermind. :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
7
Q: Are troubleshooting questions off-topic?

cryingshadowSome days ago, I asked in Troubleshooting for biber for guidelines what to do/check if biber does not produce any output. The occasion to ask this question was of course that I had such a situation myself. However, I already suspected that my particular problem was an easy issue that I just did n...

discussion close-reasons closed-questions
Would appreciate thoughts on this
 
Stefan Kottwitz
Stefan Kottwitz
10:07 AM
@Johannes_B Maybe 200 of 3000 possible on the ship, but all are working here. While testing engines (speed, crash stop) and navigation (hard turn around, maximum inclination) others are welding and cutting and painting
And one is making TikZ drawings.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
Is there a way for \addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{blabla} increase the chapter number? It is not even displaying it here... :(
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda \renewcommand\addcontentsline[3]{\refstepcounter{chapter}}
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle Thank you, it works. :) Do you know why the number is not displayed in the TOC? :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda \renewcommand\addcontentsline[3]{\refstepcounter{chapter}\thechapter}
@PauloCereda what was your actual question (why would you want the toc code to increment counters?)
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
Is it just me or does it bother anyone else too when people mix settings and packages?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
10:21 AM
@DavidCarlisle I am creating a conference proceedings and need to manually add entries in the TOC.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Alenanno mix?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
The Submissões part is displayed correctly (this is done via \includepdf). But when I try to \addcontentsline, there's no number...
:(
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda too many variables to guess:-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle I know. :( I couldn't even come up with a proper MWE.
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@DavidCarlisle Like packages, then an option for a package, then more packages, then another option. Basically, not writing all the packages first and then all the options.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
10:24 AM
@PauloCereda whar's written to the toc instead of a number {} or \relax or ..
@Alenanno seems quite natural to have the setup next to the package load
 
yo'
yo'
@PauloCereda Wouldn't making a wrapper, like \nochapter be better? :)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@yo' I have it. :)
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@DavidCarlisle Yeah, I'm aware that others prefer that setup, but it bothers me lol
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
\part{Textos técnicos}

\chapter{Foo}

\phantomsection
\addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{Bar}
\refstepcounter{chapter}
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
:D
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
10:26 AM
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@PauloCereda Nooo quack splitting my messages :O
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
If I use \chapter, I get the number.
 
yo'
yo'
(I still have a project in mind for a good, versatile, and modular issue package for compiling journal issue and proceedings)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Alenanno :D :D :D
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Alenanno if \usepackage[colorlinks]{hyperref} is OK then why not \usepackage{hyperref}\hypersetup{colorlinks} which is essentially the same thing?
 
yo'
yo'
10:27 AM
@Alenanno I do that as well. My preambles are topic-organized: I load the packages to do somthing and configure them.
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@DavidCarlisle It is, technically. I'm just talking about how people organize stuff.
@yo' I load all the packages, then all the options. :P
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
\documentclass[12pt,oneside,a4paper]{memoir}

\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}

\begin{document}

\frontmatter

\tableofcontents*

\mainmatter

\part{Textos técnicos}

\chapter{Foo}

\phantomsection
\addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{Bar}
\refstepcounter{chapter}

\end{document}
@DavidCarlisle: ^^ MWE
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Alenanno but some packages only allow options by the usepackage option, some have a setup command and some have both so hard to avoid mixing the loading and setup.
 
yo'
yo'
@Alenanno and then hyperref. and then cleveref, but you load expl3 first, before \documentclass, to make hobby work, which tikz-cd relies on.
^^ See, a long sentence ;-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
I want 2 Bar in the TOC. :)
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
10:30 AM
@DavidCarlisle The ones that are loaded in the \usepackage, I will load there of course. I'm talking about something like \addbibresource or similar commands.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
:26855627 Yep, that's what I get. :)
Boo it was removed. :D
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
Boooo
:D
 
yo'
yo'
\documentclass[12pt,oneside,a4paper]{memoir}

\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}

\newcommand\nochapter[1]{
	\cleardoublepage
	\phantomsection
	\refstepcounter{chapter}
	\addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{\numberline{\thechapter}#1}
}

\begin{document}

\frontmatter

\tableofcontents*

\mainmatter

\part{Textos técnicos}

\chapter{Foo}

\nochapter{Bar}

Bla

\end{document}
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Alenanno yes but logically they are same thing so I can't say it bothers me at all if they are done at same place
 
yo'
yo'
@Paulo ^^ Note that Bar won't make it into the ToC if the page on which it is does not exist :-)
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
10:32 AM
@DavidCarlisle It's just a matter of visual organization. :P
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Alenanno if your preamble is more than a dozen lines long it's wrong anyway: make a package and stick it all there
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@yo' oooh Tom I wub you. <3
@David, @yo': Thank you!
 
yo'
yo'
@PauloCereda :)
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@DavidCarlisle That requires more work than what I currently have. Overruled. :P
 
egreg
egreg
@yo' Possibly \protect\numberline
 
yo'
yo'
10:47 AM
@egreg good idea, thanks, tell that to @Paulo :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@yo' @egreg updated, thanks. :)
 
egreg
egreg
11:34 AM
4
Q: Community Promotion Ads - 2016

Grace NoteIt's 2016 now, and we've made some changes to the sidebar size. As such, we can now restart the Community Promotion Ads for 2016! Keep in mind, we have updated some of the guidelines compared to previously - the changes are marked in bold in the Image Requirements section. What are Community Pr...

discussion community-ads
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg ooh
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@egreg ooh 2x
 
Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.
Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.
@egreg ooh ∞×
 
egreg
egreg
@PauloCereda I was suggesting a new excuse for procrastination. :)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg Wait for @David to ask about my thesis. :)
 
egreg
egreg
11:50 AM
@PauloCereda Isn't it on macro expansion? Then \expand\thesis might be sufficient.
2
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg I WUB YOU
Although my supervisor won't like the joke. :)
 
egreg
egreg
@PauloCereda Use it as the epigraph for the first chapter.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@egreg pdfTeX 1.50 \expanded?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle So who is writing the additional stuff for the news?
 
egreg
egreg
11:57 AM
@JosephWright Will ever it appear?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@egreg No
@egreg It's in LuaTeX
 
egreg
egreg
@JosephWright 0.87?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@egreg (Well, when I say 'no' what do I know, but I don't see any evidence of a likely release)
@egreg It's been there for ages (from the start?), and I don't think Hans has removed it 
This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.80.0 (TeX Live 2015/W32TeX) (rev 5238)
 restricted \write18 enabled.
(./test.tex
> \expanded=\expanded.
l.1 \show\expanded
\def\foo{\bar}
\def\bar{\baz}
\def\baz{a}
\expandafter\def\expandafter\foo\expandafter{\expanded{\foo}}\show\foo
This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.80.0 (TeX Live 2015/W32TeX) (rev 5238)
 restricted \write18 enabled.
(./test.tex
> \foo=macro:
->a.
l.4 ...ter\foo\expandafter{\expanded{\foo}}\show\foo
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
12:19 PM
@PauloCereda Your ad size is wrong. It must be 300*250 :P
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Alenanno I fixed it. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
the force is with me this morning crystal ball strikes again:
1
A: debugging missing reference to figure

David CarlisleThe fact that the writefile appears on the terminal means that the information got written to the aux file after the aux file was closed for writing. 99 times out of a hundred when that is seen it is because \include has been redefined not to use \clearpage, in which case the solution is to remo...

 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@PauloCereda It's still wrong lol
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Alenanno You mean it has to be rotated?
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@PauloCereda No it has to be 300 wide and 250 high
Rotated or not lol
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
12:21 PM
@Alenanno So it is stupid.
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@PauloCereda The rules are the rules. xD
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Alenanno Agreed, hence I removed my entries.
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@PauloCereda Or... you can resize them?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Alenanno No.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright chris?
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
12:23 PM
@PauloCereda D: Why not?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Sounds good
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright you I guess:-)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Sounds more realistic
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright safer too
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle You aren't suggesting that no-one will understand the text if Chris writes it, are you?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
12:24 PM
@JosephWright LPPL
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle :-)
@DavidCarlisle I thought Frank wrote it?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright well we all did but those two mostly I suppose
The first version we just sat round the table and tried to draft something coherent, 1.3 was just the process of months of combative edit suggestions so hard to say anyone really wrote it, to be fair.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Alenanno Sorry, I am not in my best mood today. I agree it's the rules, but they decided to apply something that will simply break all of our previous (published) ads, so that's why I think this whole change is stupid. But I will redraw the ads, at least the new series.
@Alenanno: sorry again.
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@PauloCereda You don't have anything to apologize to me for! :D
Don't worry lol
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Ah
@DavidCarlisle Not in the SVN?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
12:33 PM
@JosephWright probably not (I try to forget the details)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle :-)
@DavidCarlisle It certainly has the feel of something Chris wrote
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright Probably Chris at Frank's house:-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Alenanno: take a look now, is it correct?
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@PauloCereda Yep!
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Alenanno wooo <3
@Alenanno: sorry again. <3
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
12:37 PM
@PauloCereda time to start downvoting!
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle LOL
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
12:49 PM
@DavidCarlisle: You know that oi is hi in Portuguese, don't you? :)
@barbarabeeton: I published an ad with your avatar. If you feel I should remove it, just poke me. And I apologize in advance. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda of course I know all these things
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle Ah. :)
 
yo'
yo'
1:07 PM
@PauloCereda /hug
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@PauloCereda No prob lol
 
clemens
clemens
@ChristianHupfer so sad :( He was also great in Dogma, Galaxy Quest, Love actually… and so many more…
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@yo' /hugs back
GROUP HUG
5
 
Romain Picot
Romain Picot
@PauloCereda Quack ! <3
 
clemens
clemens
@PauloCereda <3
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
1:19 PM
@RomainPicot Coin coin!
@clemens <3
 
barbara beeton
barbara beeton
1:36 PM
@Alenanno -- if a manuscript file is submitted to a journal that uses latex for production, sometimes some loaded packages are compatible with the final product, and some packages are not. when the files are edited, if package-specific settings are adjacent to the \loadpackage, it's easier to avoid editing errors. (believe me, this saves a lot of time.)
@PauloCereda -- i think it's a bit silly, but have no objections.
what i do have a problem with, with the new shape of the ads, is that the logical (and official) format of the tugboat cover and tug logo is portrait, not landscape. and i don't think it's reasonable to change that, so the logical conclusion is that those can no longer be used as ads, which bothers me a great deal. any suggestions?
 
yo'
yo'
@barbarabeeton I'll think about it.
@barbarabeeton TB is at least squarish and does not contain the text as the integral part of the logo; something can be done about that I think. TUG is a bigger problem, the only thing I see viable is making it an ad, I mean, add text.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
1:55 PM
@barbarabeeton just have margins
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@barbarabeeton I can remove it, at least the one referencing you. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@barbarabeeton centering a bit off :-) ^^^
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Needs a border (see rules re. white background)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright that's a grey background (although could shrink central part a bit so the background covers top and bottom
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Oh, I see
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
2:01 PM
 
barbara beeton
barbara beeton
@DavidCarlisle -- but boring. on the cover for the first volume, the frame around the press was larger, and the "tugboat" overprinted the top of the press. what about moving the box in its current size to the bottom right corner (taking care not to chop off the front foot) and moving "tugboat" up to the top left corner? still have to deal with rules about frame.
 
yo'
yo'
@barbarabeeton rotate TUGboat sideways and place in on the right.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
If you can watch 4:3 TV stretched to a 16:9 screen you'll love this:
someone pick @barbarabeeton off the floor
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@barbarabeeton That's a good point, but it looks ugly! :( lol
 
barbara beeton
barbara beeton
@Alenanno -- worse than @david's latest offering?
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
2:09 PM
@barbarabeeton Which one?
 
barbara beeton
barbara beeton
@yo' -- on the right, my inclination is for it to read top-to-bottom, and that implies to me that it's sinking; not a good omen. so why not on the left, reading bottom-to-top?
@Alenanno -- the stretched one.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@barbarabeeton I thought you'd like it
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
@barbarabeeton Oh ahah :D maybe not worse than that lol
 
barbara beeton
barbara beeton
@DavidCarlisle -- hmmmmph.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@Alenanno If you want to advertise TeX-sx on other sites you have to post an ad at the 'other end'
 
Alenanno
Alenanno
2:18 PM
@JosephWright You're right. Like what sites would be interested?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@Alenanno Academia?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Alenanno math?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@Alenanno Physics, chemistry perhaps
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda you've been banned I see :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle hm?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
2:22 PM
@PauloCereda see comment under "mine"
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle ah the bloke criticizing my masterpiece. :)
 
barbara beeton
barbara beeton
@PauloCereda -- nice try, but static.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda no the power that be saying your files are too big
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle I fixed them all. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda shame:-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
2:30 PM
@DavidCarlisle Yours is the top voted. :)
I suspect Italians. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda so I noticed:(
@PauloCereda perhaps people just like bug free code
Englishman going for a walk:
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle On a serious note, want me to remove it? No problem at all. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda better let democracy take its course
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle ;)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda a lot smaller. just fiddle with the convert params or change the tex?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
2:35 PM
@DavidCarlisle Ballistic approach, actually. :) I opened them in Gimp and chose an indexed pallete. :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda ah
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
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@DavidCarlisle: ^^ counterattack? :)
 
Romain Picot
Romain Picot
@JosephWright have you any license related to texdev? Or it's public domain?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@StefanKottwitz: ooh all ads are using the same border style. <3
@RomainPicot Duckware. :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
2:42 PM
@RomainPicot I'd say the content is all public domain where possible and CC0 otherwise
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda !!/battle
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle oh Psmith is sleeping. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda I had some backup today which gives me a slight advantage today...
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle RAF. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda Brazilian actually
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
2:45 PM
@DavidCarlisle ooh FAB then. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda Brazil is protected by the Thunderbirds?
 
Stefan Kottwitz
Stefan Kottwitz
@PauloCereda Well, so it's a familiar thing distinguishing from ads to other SE sites or commercial ads :-) on the other hand, I just have Gimp here with is not for drawing but such a frame is not hard
 
Romain Picot
Romain Picot
@JosephWright Ok thanks :-), I'll use some part of your CV to write mine and may published it only with the sources so may be useful to ask before :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@StefanKottwitz :)
@DavidCarlisle hm?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
 
Stefan Kottwitz
Stefan Kottwitz
2:48 PM
@PauloCereda But honestly said: I saw the frame requirement, which is new, very late, so I fixed the images quickly by adding the same frame to each. I guess I make them thinner soon and let you keep the bold frames :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle ooh :)
@StefanKottwitz They are in sync with the ones I posted. :)
@DavidCarlisle: fab.mil.br
:)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@RomainPicot It's there to be helpful (links to the whole license question about SO, and as you'll see I favour CC0 for that)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda I'd have more faith in:
 
Romain Picot
Romain Picot
@JosephWright I've seen some people making tuto online with some license to forbid any reproduction because they have some ads or they sell books based on it...
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@RomainPicot I'll add something to the 'about' to be clear
 
Romain Picot
Romain Picot
2:56 PM
@JosephWright thanks ;-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle I love that series. :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@RomainPicot Done
@RomainPicot Added impressum whilst I was at it
 
egreg
egreg
3:30 PM
@barbarabeeton “The joy of receiving a parcel” :D
 
barbara beeton
barbara beeton
3:45 PM
@egreg -- is that in reference to the unicode proposal regarding calligraphic vs. script? it's been suggested that i announce that here and on math.sx, but i'm waiting for a promised blog to appear, so that i can link it. in the meantime, would you help me craft a question for math.sx to ask for info from mathematicians on their use of these two fonts? (i'll send email.)
 
egreg
egreg
@barbarabeeton No, I received a parcel from the AMS. :) And you know what it contained.
 
barbara beeton
barbara beeton
@egreg -- i do? i don't think i do ... i'm baffled ... ??? (but the request re math.sx stands.)
 
egreg
egreg
@barbarabeeton I'm afraid such a question on Math.SE would be closed as off-topic. But one can always try.
@barbarabeeton "The Joy of TeX”, remember?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg: how do you like our new ad? :)
 
barbara beeton
barbara beeton
@egreg -- oh! i guess i should remember, but although i said in mail at the time that it would arrive "in a finite length of time", that's two months ago. (too much has happened over the last few months for me to remember something so lacking in controversy!) i hope it arrived in good condition, and that you will benefit as anticipated. thanks for the news.
 
egreg
egreg
3:52 PM
@barbarabeeton The baby is in perfect health, thanks!
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@egreg so you get all amstex questions from now on:-)
 
egreg
egreg
@DavidCarlisle A flood each week.
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
4:08 PM
Good maen
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
@PauloCereda You do not really believe that you can catch attention with an ad using my photo, do you? :D
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@ChristianHupfer it has begun!
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
@PauloCereda The Phantom Paulo Menace :-P
This is my favourite :D
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@ChristianHupfer LOL
@ChristianHupfer Top voted.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
4:45 PM
@ChristianHupfer not mine
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Bug in longtable?
Erm, that's been a bit controversial in the past ...
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright I have a whole page triaging the things htmlpreview.github.io/?https://raw.githubusercontent.com/…
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Cool
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright made for a uktug talk a long time ago but unfortunately the code's not really changed much since then.....
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
4:57 PM
@JosephWright not changed since 13th May 2014 to be precise :(
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
@DavidCarlisle Too late :-P
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
5:56 PM
@StefanKottwitz Wow, 200 people.
@StefanKottwitz By the way, i cannot split topics on gL. Maybe ou can look at that at some point. It is the Topics need to have a title thing even though no umlauts are used.
 
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