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12:27 AM
@AaronHall you could comment on it yourself. Just start your own back and forth.
> This is as designed, not a bug.
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> But it causes a real problem for people in case X
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> Case X is nonsense and you're doing it wrong
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> How should I be doing it?
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> You probably shouldn't because you're obviously doing it wrong, so let somebody else do it
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> But I have to, my boss said so
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> We didn't create Python for your boss, this is as designed and you're a blowhard
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> I resent that! I would like to speak with your manager!
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> My manager's busy being useful, you should try it sometime
 
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12:47 AM
@Ampt ZOT!
 
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A: JS - Difference between $("#elementid") vs document.getElementById?

Ajwhiteway$("#elementID") is a JQuery method that requires you to include JQuery.js on your page and the other is a native browser method. Using $("#elementID") you can use JQuery to manipulate it. document.getElementById gives you the Dom element

people using "method" to describe what I would call non members
doesn't seem particularly unambiguous to me
 
1:10 AM
:)
I think we should call them "ways" instead, that can be the new unambiguous term.
arguments shall be called "means"
return values, "ends"
 
1:40 AM
@AaronHall does that make the body a disfunctional committee?
 
That's a lot of research for just one term. Are you sure that a rigorous definition is this important? — Robert Harvey 1 hour ago
 
 
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5:20 AM
@JimmyHoffa I love the juxtaposition of "ITS REALLY RELALY COLD IN CHICAGO" with "WHY HAVEN'T YOU WALKED A MILE AND A HALF FOR THIS FOOD PLACE I REALLY LIKE!?"
Maybe because it's like 2 degrees out Jimmy. Maybe that's why.
Or maybe I really don't trust your recommendations!
 
5:51 AM
@AshleyNunn Keep me in the loop - just finished Third Rail by Rory Flynn. Pretty good modern day Noir style book
It felt a little... thin some places, but I think that may just be the style of noir all-together
 
user15026
Will do :)
 
idk, haven't read a ton of that style, but I liked it and it had me hooked from the first chapter. Plus it's rather short and ties up all it's ends by the end of the book, so I enjoyed it.
I may be overly critical of books though
oh wow, it's 2 bucks for the kindle edition. I picked up my hard cover at a thrift store for that much. definitely worth the 2 bucks if you're into murder/mystery
The Whiteboard: Bookclub edition.
Jesus I need to make an etsy account
 
@Ampt on the other hand, I want a snarfs sammich damnit. I demand that you allow me to enjoy one vicariously because I don't want to actually drive down the road and get one m'self
 
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@ampt do you use Goodreads at all? (I am weirdly fanatical about tracking my books but a lot of that is so I don't waste time accidentally grabbing crappy books I have already read)
 
6:15 AM
I do, but not fanatically. More like frantically, as im standing in the bookstore trying to get a decent recommendation so i furiously try snd recall what ive read haha
I really ought to go through my bookshelf and add them all... only 23 books on there, and i have like 4 bookshelves worth of books, not including the digital gamut on my kindle
 
6:37 AM
Hi, could you take a look at this Code Review question codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/116749/… if this would be a good fit for Programmers.SE ?
 
 
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A: Should I always store parsed data in database before manipulating?

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Nice.
 
You say you are being asked to do so. The person asking you thinks that you performing this task will add value to your organization. If you want to know what the nature of that value is ask that person, not strangers on the internet! We don't know what is going on inside that person's head. Perhaps the code is of such low quality that even novices can find problems. Perhaps the code is of such high quality that you will learn good habits from it. Who can say? Someone thinks it is of value; ask that person what the value is. — Eric Lippert 16 hours ago
 
Hello
So I started coding for the first time in a while and the first time I plan to do it seriously.
My first assignment was to code some economic stuff in Matlab for my econ class.
And I had this horrible moment where I just could not understand my own code
and thought I had lost all the work I had done
Some of it was gone, but most of it was just I couldn't read my own code
and as a result felt it was lost because it made so little sense
This taught me a valuable lesson that I need to organize my code better or I risk having the same problem again.
Does anyone have any suggestions for where I should start?
I didn't have any conceptual problems coding. That's the funny part. But my code organization is dreadful.
 
 
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10:28 AM
I think programmers.stackexchange.com is the more appropriate site to ask this kind of questions. — Martin Schneider 49 secs ago
 
11:08 AM
You should probably ask it here : programmers.stackexchange.comxordux 50 secs ago
 
11:25 AM
@Heslacher I'm having trouble locating an actual question in there.
What's the specific software design problem you are trying to solve?
 
Oh, yes, thats right never checked for a real question there. My bad. Thanks anyway!
 
I'm pretty sure there is some version of the question that would be perfectly on topic here, and would probably get a few upvotes as well, but... the current one isn't it.
 
@StanShunpike Not familiar with matlab, but I'm guessing like every other language it has some sort of code style and/or readability guidelines. Either official, or popular enough to be considered defacto standard.
Tried searching for something of the sort?
 
This question is better suit for programmersHenrique Barcelos 16 secs ago
 
@JimmyHoffa I might be blowing $429 from my FSA to not lose it, but I did get my companies $750/year HSA deposit still, so I came out way ahead luckily :-)
 
@enderland I don't see how this question can fit in "education advice" category described by this thread, which is refered to by programmer's on-topic help. — Henrique Barcelos 40 secs ago
"software architecture and design" is on-topic for programmers, so I really think that's the place for a question like this one. — Henrique Barcelos 47 secs ago
 
12:59 PM
@enderland I had the question migrated to Programmers. It's not asking for off-site resources or career/education advice. It's asking to explain a concept in a book and provide sufficient context for more concrete explanation.
 
@ThomasOwens really? I think that's a really weak question
 
@enderland I don't see how.
 
"explain to me" is not really a good question and it just feels weak
 
I don't think that explain X to me is a bad question, as long as it's reasonably scoped ("explain software engineering to me" or even "explain how to manage requirements" is too broad - there are whole books on that). But if you're reading something and don't understand, and then provide enough context that you have to work with, I think it works.
It's a problem that others may have too, if they are reading other sources.
 
1:28 PM
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║ ID ║ Name ║ RandomID ║
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║ 1 ║ a ║ 3 ║
║ 2 ║ b ║ 2 ║
║ 3 ║ c ║ 1 ║
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I have this result returning from a BIG select query
I need to add another column, which will be "RandomName"
but I have no idea how can I do this
 
1:42 PM
"explain X" can be an excellent question if it is sufficiently narrow, and the OP tried reading the Wikipedia page first and makes an effort to explain why that didn't cut it
@enderland @ThomasOwens what's the question?
 
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Q: How to understand "Split Data Model" in book "Java Concurrency In Practice"?

FireSunI'm learning java multithreading programming by the book "Java Concurrency In Practice",when I read chapter 9.4.2 Split Data Model,writing this: From the perspective of the GUI, the Swing table model classes like TableModel and treeModel are the official repository for data to be displayed....

 
It's a +3/-1 vote split and gnat has seen it without voting to close it. It must be a good question.
 
@ThomasOwens I think hes been running out of CVs recently
and I've not downvoted, so it's probabyl his
 
he didn't leave a comment though
 
@psr Yeah, I do a good job of explaining and they do a good job of asking questions.
The only time there is a problem is when the new guy doesn't know to ask.
 
1:48 PM
@enderland imo that's an okay question, neither good nor bad; it's narrow enough and with enough context that meaningful answers are quite easy, but the OP completely fails to explain why the excerpt they've quoted doesn't make sense to them, therefore I am neither upvoting nor downvoting
 
I have a really good working relationship with the devs on the team. We needed a good tester to make it complete, and now that we are changing process, I'm not sure what's going to happen to all that.
Oh, and now we have a web designer. No idea how to work him into the mix.
shrugs
I'm sure it will all work out.
 
where I work, the designer/UX/VX people fall under the header of "people who decide what the devs are supposed to do", which means they join the business guys in entering tickets and backlog grooming and such
 
Yes, I'm thinking that's where he will fit, but he doesn't seem very BA-like.
But I probably don't either.
 
in my experience, UX concerns overlap with business issues constantly
though I am biased to frontend work
 
He seems to have more coding interest, so the line is rather hazy to me at this point.
 
1:53 PM
oh, that is different
 
I originally thought that he would prototype and hand off css and stuff to our front-end guy, but I'm not sure that's the case.
So then I'm not sure -- if he's dividing the work between him and the front-end guy, then who is doing the requirements there, the designer or me? Or both of us?
Today I'm taking the approach that we will figure it out when we need to.
And I'm not going to stress about it.
I know how my team worked, but with two new people, it's going to be a renegotiation.
 
yeah, I think that's the point where we can only handwave and say "be agile, figure it out as you go"
 
And so I'm trying to let go of trying to mitigate impact. It's going to be fine. We've always worked it out before. I have no reason to believe that this time will be different.
 
I suppose he could submit requirements in the form of "this item should have color FFFFFF, margin-left 32px" and the front end guy worries about how to fit that into style classes and less/sass without weird collisions or anything
I don't work with actual css often enough to know
 
I think he ought to just do stylesheets and talk to the front-end guy about how elements are named, etc. The front-end guy does a lot of other work as well.
That the designer wouldn't be responsible for.
And as far as them getting along, well. I gotta keep my nose out of it.
 
2:22 PM
Ohhh. They announced the lineup for May's Boston Calling. Sia, Disclosure, Elle King, Robyn...I may want to go this year.
 
2:38 PM
I need advice and my manager is busy. Anybody feel like giving an opinion on how to handle this business request?
 
I'm very opinionated and happy to share them.
 
I have two business owners, one for the product sheets, one for the science datasource that backs them.
The products one is pushing hard to get a spec sheet for something that is not a product but a service.
 
trying to explain a really complicated/conceptual project to someone... this is horrible
 
@KitZ.Fox What, exactly, is a spec sheet?
 
We told her that we will do a project to design spec sheets for this product, but she is trying to convince us to put the data into the product sheet format instead.
@ThomasOwens It describes the product.
We sell scientific products.
 
2:41 PM
But also, apparently, services?
 
We also sell services, like genetic modifications, on the products that we sell.
 
Is there already some kind of sheet to describe the service?
 
Like a value-add.
There is a content page that describes the service generally, not specific to the product that it is attached to.
 
It seems odd if there isn't a way to explain to potential customers what the service is or the different service levels or whatever you're providing.
So she wants a page to describe the service with respect to a particular product?
 
It is very appropriate to build a proper spec sheet for the service-on-product offering. What we have right now it a spec sheet for the product.
And she is pushing us to create a second product spec sheet.
 
2:44 PM
From what I understand, it seems like a reasonable request.
But I think she's getting too far into the details.
And may not understand the scope of the request. If you do it for one, everyone will want it for everything.
 
The problem is that the product spec sheet will duplicate the product spec sheet that already exists and not provide the data about the service, unless they shoehorn it in.
She needs to be patient, is what it amounts to.
 
I'm confused as to what the problem is; is someone simply asking for a detailed write-up of what this data source provides? Or are they asking for said write-up to be in the format normally used for "products" which is inappropriate for services/data sources?
 
Do you have a plan to provide the information that she needs?
 
And the business owner of the science datasource has told her 'no' several times already.
@ThomasOwens I told her that the most appropriate thing to do while she is waiting for a solution is to put the information on content pages that link to the product spec sheet.
 
so...you're saying this person wants a spec of the data behind the product, but because the data spec is taking too long, they want to add stuff in the product spec about the data as a short-term hack?
 
2:47 PM
They want to screw everything up to suit their needs because they believe it will solve their problem for this one particular thing, yes.
And we've talked it through many times now, and she has sent yet another email request this morning. How do I get her to stop?
It is square peg + round hole + not understanding the data model.
 
Do you have a longer-term plan or project to resolve her concern?
 
The risk of unintended consequences for duplicating the underlying product data simply to have a number presented in the search function is astronomical.
@ThomasOwens Yes, we plan to build service sheets and other product type sheets in the future. These projects are not prioritized currently but are in the queue for consideration this year.
 
sounds like having a temporary page about the data until the proper spec arrives as you suggested is the most reasonable compromise
 
A content page. Not driven from the data source.
 
yeah
 
2:50 PM
I thought we agreed on that yesterday again.
 
@KitZ.Fox Does she know about this plan? Perhaps her concerns should make this a higher prioritized project?
 
I don't know what to do. I would elevate it to the solution manager if I thought he would understand it.
@ThomasOwens We talked about it yesterday, and also that it was over my head and needed to be discussed with the project planning group.
 
@KitZ.Fox I would move more quickly with the project planning group to put it on a roadmap.
 
I am not part of that group and have no influence over how projects are prioritized.
 
this is hopeless
 
2:53 PM
@KitZ.Fox I don't think it matters that you aren't part of that group. You have a stakeholder that needs a solution.
 
@KitZ.Fox it sounds like you're being asked to influence project prioritization though, so probably should go talk to whoever does
 
You need to push on other groups to evaluate. Or get involved to explain things to your stakeholder.
 
So what then? Advocate? To whom?
I don't know what to say that hasn't been said already.
 
@KitZ.Fox Just get the people who prioritize and start projects involved.
 
"Go talk to this person" I've said. "They can help you with that."
 
2:55 PM
No, you need to go talk to that person. You're the BA for a particular product, yes? And a project can benefit stakeholders for your product.
So you need to go and get the resources you need to do a significant effort on your product.
 
I'm not responsible for prioritizing or resourcing. I'm a level one grunt.
I am not in a leadership position.
 
@KitZ.Fox It doesn't matter. Someone brought a concern to you. You don't reject it, you handle it.
In this case, handling it means bringing it to the attention of the right people yourself.
 
And then what?
 
agile encourages autonomy and all that
 
Because I've done that.
 
2:57 PM
well, presumably the people in charge of X would take care of X
 
You've already brought this to the attention of the people who prioritize projects?
 
eventually it does come down to them doing their job no matter what you do
 
The people in charge of X were the ones who said "agile will fix this, so go do that now"
 
What did they say? Did they either give you a response or respond to your stakeholder?
 
@ThomasOwens No.
 
2:58 PM
So go back and get a response. Find out when they will review this project for priortization.
 
Happy Apparently-My-Teamlead-Hates-The-Smell-Of-Coffee-WTF Day Progs!
 
It's the same guy who said "our stakeholders said we don't communicate with them enough, so we're doing agile now".
 
@KitZ.Fox continuous feedback is one of the selling points of agile...
 
OK. I guess it amounts to what do I do when he's not doing his job?
 
yeah, continuous two-way communication is a core property of agile
 
2:59 PM
sorry, I'm behind on the conversation, just joined. give me 2 seconds
 
Because he is personally causing me a great deal of pain in the past three weeks.
 
Can you go above his head, to his manager or lead or whoever?
 
@KitZ.Fox if this really is the case, I'm not sure what can be done other than poking him more and possibly going to people even higher up to inform them of the thing that's not getting done
 
He's a level above me. Best I can do is go to my manager.
 
You need to respond to this stakeholder request.
You're doing the right thing by not doing some hacky thing. But you need to get the right solution on the table and planned.
 
3:01 PM
I like this guy on a personal level, but he is a huge huge hindrance on my work right now.
The last time I went to my manager about it, she said 'you schedule a meeting with him then'.
 
Does your organization not know how to manage people or projects?
That's what it sounds like.
 
Which I don't mind about doing, but he said he would do it, then didn't. He said he'll handle scheduling and resourcing because it's his team, not mine, and then he doesn't do it.
I keep pointing our stakeholders to him when they ask about the release schedule and he just doesn't answer them.
And when he said "our stakeholders said we don't communicate with them enough, so we're doing agile now", he pitched it as though that were my fault. I meet with the stakeholders weekly and talk to them almost daily. That sure as hell wasn't a response to my role.
 
this does sound like a problem in need of "escalation"
 
Yeah, it does.
 
I just don't know how to do it. It's so frustrating. He had to know that the expectation for interaction would increase with agile.
And yet he is not any more available or interactive than before.
 
3:06 PM
exactly, half the premise of agile is that you interact more, and that allows you to produce something closer to what the stakeholders really want
 
If he doesn't want to increase interaction, he needs to give the authority to do more to other people who will have that increased interaction.
I'm not sure if that person is you or other people on his or other teams.
 
I could do this if he just let me do this.
I can't prioritize projects though. I will suggest to the business owner that if she isn't getting satisfaction that she should escalate to the director.
I think that is the only thing to do there.
 
Seems that way to me.
 
And I think in response to her latest request, I will ignore the questions she asked and re-iterate the solution we discussed yesterday.
I was not going to get worked up today.
This will work itself out eventually.
 
3:16 PM
If there's already a project proposed to resolve her issue, I'd mention that explicitly by however she would have to identify it when she escalates. Hopefully, she'll go to some higher level and ask about Project XYZ and what needs to happen to launch it.
 
Ok, can you summarize the problem? Either it's too early for me to get this or I'm just dumb
 
30 mins ago, by Ixrec
so...you're saying this person wants a spec of the data behind the product, but because the data spec is taking too long, they want to add stuff in the product spec about the data as a short-term hack?
 
She wants solution A. We've discussed as a group and decided that Solution A is a non-starter. Solution B is our plan. She agrees to Solution B every time we discuss it, but then continues to push for Solution A.
 
it is all a bit vague but I think that's the closest thing we have to a one-line summary atm
nvm that's a better summary
 
@KitZ.Fox I think what everyone needs to do is to make Solution B actually happen.
 
3:18 PM
@KitZ.Fox This doesn't sound like an agile problem. This sounds like a baseball bat problem.
3
 
It's one thing when it is a once or twice, but now this is into the four or five times range.
 
@Ampt No, I think baseball bat is a solution.
 
@ThomasOwens It needs to happen by February because someone said so.
 
@ThomasOwens Sorry, that's what I meant. Agile solves certain problems, baseball bats solve other.... problems.
 
@KitZ.Fox But you said the project wasn't prioritized. If it has a deadline, then it better get staffed. February is really close.
 
3:19 PM
@KitZ.Fox Can't you just shut her down every time she brings it up with "We've discussed this, A Isn't an option.
 
To which I asked, "Is this more important than correcting the non-compliance issue?"
 
so glad to be going to a team where my basic scripts will not require lots of explanation >.<
 
And she replied "How do we get more resourcing in IT?"
 
@enderland are you at the new gig?
 
@enderland how basic is "basic"?
 
3:20 PM
@Ampt no, but I'm explaining my project work and... it's hard because most of the poor guys doing this are freshers (hah) and no real programming background and I did a lot of clever things
 
@KitZ.Fox "Sorry, I must have misheard that, Is this more important than correcting the non-compliance issue?"
 
> set varname=%1
 
...lol
 
in a batch file
 
@Ampt I actually said "I'll take that as a 'no'."
@enderland Wow. That's so cute.
 
3:21 PM
If she's going to be thick-skullled, you may have to head butt her a few times
 
She is probably still getting over her concussion, tbh. I should have more compassion.
 
Actually this sounds like a TWP issue. Think of the rep.
@KitZ.Fox She didn't learn the first time?!
 
@Ampt Haha, no. For realz, she slipped in the shower and gave herself a pretty serious concussion the day we launched our enterprise project this year.
She was in early for support calls. I was there too.
 
now that you mention it, there probably is a good TWP question in here
 
@KitZ.Fox Whoops!
 
3:23 PM
She happened to mention it, so I did a quick neuro check and I was like "Uh. Yeah. Mark's going to drive you to the hospital now. I'll call someone else for coverage."
 
I hate to say it, but Agile isn't going to fix your dysfunctional team. There's not a "Agile Trump Card" you can play to get her to go along with your plan
"I saved your life. You owe me a life debt. We're implementing plan B. Got it?"
 
@Ampt I know. I'm pretty sure I mentioned at the outset that we were not ready for agile and that it was the equivalent of "our relationship is crappy, so let's get married/have a baby to fix it."
@Ampt I hadn't thought of that...that might work.
I haven't seen a concussion that bad before. Not that I've seen many concussions.
 
@KitZ.Fox it's hard because our offshore team is more IT than software development, but 90% of what my team does is not really "real" dev
 
@KitZ.Fox Ok, I think that's a little bit of an exaggeration. Agile shouldn't be commitment. It's more akin to getting a different car than having a baby.
 
I can't explain how warm and cozy the idea of writing batch files together makes me feel.
 
3:26 PM
but I appreciate you understanding that a change in process doesn't fix team dynamics
 
@KitZ.Fox I'm... not sure if you are serious or not :-)
 
@enderland I am serious. It reminds me of some of the nicest team interactions I've ever had, working with people that I genuinely liked and respected.
Back in the day.
@Ampt It's been nothing but a roadblock so far.
 
@KitZ.Fox we have to use some scripts for some of these projects and so naturally I made them generic -- which also, as a side effect I didn't really consider, made them somewhat indecipherable to my india team who is not used to that sort of thing :(
 
It will be good for them. Helps them grow.
@Ampt Shouldn't != isn't.
 
Hmm. I need to figure out a way to eliminate our internal phase-gates from our process. I've managed to work contractual milestone and technical design reviews into agile methods.
 
3:30 PM
I made a joke in a meeting about how our temporary solution should be able to work for at least ten years, and everyone soberly agreed. That's how we function here.
 
@KitZ.Fox me leaving is giving the new guy on our offshore team the opportunity of a lifetime, since he's thrown into the fray - hopefully he swims, not sinks, and I think he will be able to
 
But I haven't managed to figure out a way to make phase-gates meaningful or relevant, so I think they need to be eliminated.
 
@KitZ.Fox here? everywhere is like that
 
"generic" does very often mean "indecipherable" in my experience unless the variable/function naming is very good, but yes something as simple as setting a variable via command line argument for flexibility should not trip people up
 
@ThomasOwens What is their purpose currently?
 
3:30 PM
what is a phase-gate?
 
a long meeting with a long checklist where a million people signoff on things? that's what comes to my mind
 
that doesn't sound very agile
 
It's not a long meeting. They are typically 30 minutes. Longest I've seen was about an hour.
But it's to make sure that the project is conforming to the process (whatever process they choose).
That all contract-mandated things are created, published, sent, etc.
 
@Ixrec it's more that the offshore team aren't really programmers at all (or if they are, are not very good programmers) and so any utility script is super complicated
 
oh, that sounds like what we'd call a "demo"
 
3:32 PM
And that all internal data is fed to the right source, too.
 
Is it something where you could send an email that says "All tickets are current and complete, ready for development" or whatever?
 
@enderland are they at least aware of the convention that running the script with no arguments or with the --help argument should print a usage statement?
 
@KitZ.Fox No. It's more like a process audit than anything else.
 
We manage our work items in TFS, so we're getting to the point where we can say "This is ready for you to look at in the tool and tell me if you need anything."
@ThomasOwens Hmm.
 
I think that there is a solution, but it involves totally revamping them. Rather than making them phase-based, just audit the project from the plan.
 
3:33 PM
@Ixrec uhhhhhhhhhhhhh such an optimist (though I don't even know that, either, and am curious now :)
 
@enderland lol
 
@KitZ.Fox +1 for basic neuro checks, if people remember nothing else about how to check someone for these types of internal non-obvious conditions, everyone should learn and remember this:
 
@ThomasOwens That sounds reasonable. Are they receptive to it?
 
@JimmyHoffa I used to be a neuroscientist.
 
3:35 PM
@KitZ.Fox Actually, I think it's just a matter of combining two functions. I'm still working on the logistics of it.
 
@KitZ.Fox really?
 
@enderland Yes.
 
@JimmyHoffa TL;DR: If your friend/coworker/wife/whatever starts acting like a zombie, take them to the doctor!
 
I think I bragged about my qualifications yesterday.
 
@Ampt Take them to the doctor? I thought you should take a katana to their head.
Oops.
 
3:36 PM
@ThomasOwens It's a good plan. I can't stand meetings for the sake of meeting. There should always be a purpose.
 
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@Ampt Those are stroke symptoms...
 
Really, it's generifying the process a bit to support both plan and agile projects.
 
@GlenH7 Stroke, zombie outbreak, same thing
 
Asymmetric pupils and non-conjugate eye movements are also a big indicator.
 
@Ampt yuck it up but I caught a TIA in my wife because I knew to check these basic things when she had difficulty answering a question once. People should know this stuff ;)
 
3:37 PM
@ThomasOwens I like that. No sense in doing things twice.
 
by "usage statement" I mean something like:
$ ./script.sh
Usage: ./script.sh input_file output_file num_iterations
input_file - relative path to input file
output_file - relative path to output file
num_iterations - an integer from 0 to 1000
 
Although I wonder if I can remake this picture of our process...
I have a 1pm with some of the process team. Maybe I'll talk to them after that as an aside.
 
@Ixrec batch, not bash ;)
 
user41796
@JimmyHoffa Someone at my church had a stroke in the middle of the service this weekend. You're right - it happens all the time and you have to be aware of the symptoms.
 
a lot of scripts (of any kind) and command line tools I work with will dump something like that if you invoke them with no arguments or invalid arguments, so it's very rare that I need to read the actual code for someone else's script just to use it
 
3:38 PM
@JimmyHoffa I ain't even yucking it up. Am I wrong? Drooping face, poor coordination, slurring speech - all are the onset of zombism
 
@Ixrec batch just chugs along and runs as normal...
 
@Ampt look, zombieism is treatable if you get them to the doctor fast; that's the important point here
 
@enderland the idea is you check your arguments and print that instead of continuing; it's not an automagical thing
 
@Ixrec oh, yeah. I could probably have done that... meh
 
@JimmyHoffa Haha trust me, I know the signs of a stroke. Chances are that's how yours truly will go.
 
3:40 PM
one of our company's internal libraries is a super-generic way of validating command-line args for C++ programs and printing such statements if validation fails
 
left face, left arm, slurred speech
@KitZ.Fox that's the point of agile :P
 
@MichaelT this is neat
 
Does anyone here know how Team Explorer works? I'm getting a conflict message, but I don't know how conflict resolution works.
 
user41796
@RobertHarvey mebbe
 
user41796
usually when I get a conflict message, I get 3 options - take server version; take local version; merge the changes. And when there's a conflict you almost always have to go with the merge
 
user41796
3:47 PM
But I suspect you've already been down that road, right?
 
How do you merge changes?
Take server version would be OK.
I just don't know the first thing about how this works in TE.
 
user41796
Ah, okay
 
We've used SourceTree to stash changes, but it's a perilous process.
 
user41796
A lot of the time, I tweak config files for local testing and whatnot
 
user41796
And when I get a conflict on those, I always take the server as it means someone updated the config file with something I actually need and my local changes are trivial to recreate
 
3:49 PM
It's interesting how specialized different areas of the brain are. When my wife had her attack she was just unable to talk for like 30-45 seconds mid conversation. Then when she came to she was acting fine and talking clearly so I asked various questions; she could plainly answer simple arithmetic, recall memories, knew what day it was, but she got tripped up when I asked her fathers name - she couldn't say it correctly or other names I asked her about
Because our brains have a specialized area just for names
 
user41796
When you click the "merge changes" button, it will kick you to another view that has three panes. Server version, local version, and merged results
 
Where is the merge changes button in Team Explorer?
 
user41796
There are some buttons near the top left for navigation. You can click through each conflict as well as each auto-magic change that it figured out for you.
 
@RobertHarvey In your minds eye. Are you imagining it? Close your eyes and picture it clearly right where you want, open your eyes and voila!
 
How do I get HERE?
 
user41796
3:52 PM
There should be a View -> Resolve Conflicts option
 
user41796
and then as you select each conflicting file, it should give you the three options
 
Would that be in that upper strip with the house and plug icons?
 
user41796
No, it will be in the main menu bar at the very top of the app going along the entire window
 
user41796
ironically, my VS2015 is locked at the moment. Apparently I didn't give it a product key when I installed it
 
user41796
3:56 PM
And FWIW, I try to minimize what I do within team explorer as I find the interface limiting
 
user41796
@RobertHarvey Check Other Windows
 
@JimmyHoffa I have been working on a guide to emergency trepination for just that purpose.
 
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