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SirPython

Oh, I see now.

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Phrancis

Guys @ Rubberduck been busy I see

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Phrancis

airpair.com/angularjs/posts/angular-vs-react-the-tie-breaker

@SirPython ^^ search the page for "React-templates"

SirPython

12:05 AM

That React code doesn't seem right.

render: function() {
return (
{this.props.items.map(function(item, i) {
return <li key={i}>{item}</li>
}}

Phrancis

For templating though we could just use something really simple like Markup.js though github.com/adammark/Markup.js

There doesn't need to be any logic beyond "put this section here, then that one after it, then that one and then display the assembled page statically"

SirPython

I'm don't think we need to use a separate library, as React can already do that ^^ (just not directly in HTML)

Phrancis

Ok

In any case, I do think JavaScript is a better tool for manipulating DOM and HTML than Java is

SirPython

Unless I don't understand what templating. Also, I think that sounds right for the logic.

What would be the benefits of changing to JavaScript from Java?

Phrancis

We've been using templating quite a bit for the HTML client with AngularJS

You know how there are different templates, best example IMO is for cards

SirPython

12:11 AM

Oh, like the pre-stored HTML?

Phrancis

Yep, exactly

SirPython

React definitely has support for that.

Easier support than Angular, I'd say.

Phrancis

Just load in the data whenever the server passes it down and the inject the template into the document

In the case of the static website it's even simpler, since it's all static

SirPython

That's true. We could even render the HTML server-side.

Phrancis

Which is what we do now, I think, with the Java app

It just feels sluggish with Java, for some reason... stats.zomis.net/io-web

Try navigating between different pages. It feels like it shouldn't take near that long

But it could also have to do with @SimonForsberg's server load

Eventually, when the traffic justifies it, we can get a dedicated web server, though that's going to be a while

SirPython

12:16 AM

It doesn't take that long for me, but maybe my connection is better/I'm closer.

Phrancis

OK

My connection is not that great

SirPython

I can't find it now, but IIRC, Dan once said that rendering the HTML on the server side when using React could help create really fast webpages (especially if they are static)

Phrancis

Anyways, to me the primary downside of the Java app, as much as I think it's a cool app, is that it needs Tomcat 8+ to run, there are no other supported platforms at the moment

While JS works in practically all environments, right?

SirPython

Except IE ;)

Phrancis

Well, nothing works in IE ;)

Vanilla JavaScript does but that about sums it up

SirPython

12:21 AM

Is TOmcat the server?

Phrancis

Yeah

brb

SirPython

Okay. Just out of curiosity, is there something wrong with Tomcat? Because, if it's what we are already using and it's working for us, then do we need to switch from Java?

@Marc-Andre Congratulations!

Phrancis

Well, not very many commercial web servers support Tomcat 8+ (AFAIK) which is my primary concern

However, as of right now, yeah, it works fine, and we can probably put this on the back burner until we improve/refactor the HTML client

SirPython

12:41 AM

@DanPantry Do you know what's good practice for keeping global variables in React?

For example, user data?

SO isn't being very helpful.

It would be troublesome to just keep passing them in through props, unless that is the way to go.

And this data isn't initially constant, so it can't be stored in a separate JS file to be imported later.

Flux looks a little complicated since I'm somewhat new to React, still.

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Phrancis has added SirPython to the list of this room's owners.

Phrancis

Not sure why I didn't do this a long time ago

SirPython

1:10 AM

Oh, thanks!

@SirPython More context: github.com/SirPython/ReactChat/issues/1

Yikes, I just gave myself a start with that ping.

Marc-Andre

2:21 AM

@Phrancis as far as I know the Java webapp does not need tomcat 8+

@SirPython on what are you congratuling me? I'm on mobile

StackExchange

6:07 AM

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Dan Pantry

7:17 AM

@SirPython you-dont

libraries used for data flow tend to be some variant of Flux

I prefer alt, but redux has been getting a lot of attention recently

Remember that React is just a view layer, you shouldn't really be storing any data "with" it at all

npmjs.org/package/alt

npmjs.org/package/redux

Dan Pantry

7:31 AM

Actually, now tht I'm reading about redux it seems pretty rad..

skiwi

9:57 AM

hey

@Phrancis I'll see if I can find time to look into those audit thingies, else feel free to remind me in a while

Simon Forsberg

11:03 AM

@Phrancis Java doesn't manipulate the DOM. In the Java webapp, we're just generating the DOM initially, when the page is loaded.

@Phrancis I believe that no matter what framework or language we will use, we will most likely host it ourselves anyway. So it doesn't matter that most webservers don't support Java like that

@Phrancis I don't want to let you down or anything, but don't have your hopes up too high. The core code of Cardshifter is very complicated. Even for me and @jacwah :)

But you will probably be able to help with something anyway :)

Phrancis

12:23 PM

@SimonForsberg That's the idea :)

Dan Pantry

@SirPython This is actually how React works, it uses a flavour of javascript called JSX

The code you linked gets transpiled into something that looks like this:

render: function render() {
  return this.props.items.map((item, i) => React.li({ key: i }, item))
}

That won't actually work though because you're returning multiple elements from render (which is a no-no). You'd need to wrap it in a <ul> or createFragment call.

Marc-Andre

2:09 PM

hey everyone! :D

Phrancis

Hey @Marc-Andre !

Marc-Andre

Hey @Phrancis I see that you're now motivated for the website :P

I still don't understand why you say that the java web app need tomcat 8+, I don't remember it being the case. I may be wrong.

Phrancis

2:33 PM

It's entirely possible that I'm remembering it wrong

@Marc-Andre Do you think we should make the new page as the landing/index page to cardshifter.com by default, or make it a separate area of the site specifically as landing page when someone clicks the ad?

Marc-Andre

The true landing page ! We want people to see the prettiest things first !

We will have to make sure to fit the new style of the landing page to the cardshifter site (not the cyborg css)

This would be an alternative to the java app (and we could be hosted by githhub but no more dynamic things there)

jekyllrb.com

I'll check tonight if the java web app need tomcat 8+

Phrancis

3:18 PM

@Marc-Andre Alternatively, maybe it was a problem related to the site actually being tied to the cardshifter.com domain name, instead of redirecting to stats.zomis.net/io-web/ ...

Marc-Andre

3:53 PM

I'll check if the project itself need it. If it does not than it's a server problem which is not a problem in itself since if we change the host for whatever reason we will have no limitation (just tomcat 7+ ) (that I'm sure! )

skiwi

4:09 PM

hey again

Phrancis

hey

skiwi

let me fix that bug where planets were deleted by delaying the release a bit and seeing if it appears again ;)

(Great method, please trust)

Phrancis

4:51 PM

@skiwi Much bug, many repro, such great

skiwi

Groovy ftw

Phrancis

Nice

skiwi

I'm having trouble figuring out what's going on though... Looks like the code under test is correct, but the hard-coded String is wrong. wat

Ah, I put the arguments in the wrong order

Phrancis

5:52 PM

in The 2nd Monitor, 6 mins ago, by Quill

good article on post and pre processing CSS

@Marc-Andre ^^ any thoughts on this? Should we use a pre- and/or post-processor for CSS?

Marc-Andre

Css is so out of my league that I don't know! Never understood css enough to have a valid opinion

My opinion is we should do the best we can with what knowledge we have at the moment. Since CSS is not my strong suit, I say until we have someone who know what he's doing we should keep it simple

Phrancis

Are you meaning to tell me that out of all the smart devs in this room, I'm the CSS "expert"? lol

Marc-Andre

6:07 PM

No I'm telling that of all the people who worked on the website you're the css expert :P

skiwi

@Phrancis Yes

Phrancis

Haha

skiwi

I know some CSS too, but I don't really have an approach on how to create a layout

And hae never used those fancy media queries

Phrancis

I need to check out SCSS/Sass, it looks like they could make writing consistent and extensible CSS easier

Marc-Andre

Maybe some "real" web dev would be better in CSS than me or other smart devs from this room :P

Phrancis

6:21 PM

Yeah... @DanPantry ?

28 mins ago, by Phrancis

@Marc-Andre ^^ any thoughts on this? Should we use a pre- and/or post-processor for CSS?

skiwi

6:39 PM

@SimonForsberg How's your NN progress?

Dan Pantry

Did I get pinged?

What's up?

(Can't scroll up atm, in game)

skiwi

@DanPantry Yes you did

Phrancis

@DanPantry Hey, yes I pinged you, just wanted your opinion on this

skiwi

Stop playing LoL

Phrancis

19 mins ago, by Phrancis

28 mins ago, by Phrancis

@Marc-Andre ^^ any thoughts on this? Should we use a pre- and/or post-processor for CSS?

Dan Pantry

6:41 PM

@skiwi |:

@Phrancis I would say yes

Phrancis

48 mins ago, by Phrancis

in The 2nd Monitor, 6 mins ago, by Quill

good article on post and pre processing CSS

skiwi

I don't even know what game you are playing :P

Dan Pantry

preprocessors give you a lot of maintainablity

I prefer SASS, personally.

If you're using webpack, SASS + CSS modules = heaven

that said postcss and LESS have their place

so it's really which one you prefer

PostCSS is much more useful for cross-browser compatibility as it autoprefixes stuff for you

And it's alos more flexible

SASS is a prettier version of LESS which is microsoft's version of SASS

@skiwi It is LoL

skiwi

Hehe okay

Dan Pantry

@skiwi imgur.com/K8T7TB4

skiwi

6:47 PM

UI changed again?

Dan Pantry

yep

about half a year agfo

Phrancis

Looks a lot like Starcraft to me

Dan Pantry

@Phrancis that's funny, because Riot hired one of Blizzard's old top devs

skiwi

7:04 PM

@SimonForsberg Did you read the whole Neural Networks chapter? Or skipped through to the algorithm ;)

I'm really not used to reading books anymore

Simon Forsberg

@skiwi too busy today. Going to work on my assignments for the course, after I have finished discussing site business in the 2nd.

@skiwi I read it all, yes.

the whole chapter, not the whole book :)

skiwi

I was having to have the NN coded this evening, that might have been a little bit too optimistic

Simon Forsberg

s/having/hoping/

skiwi

that ^^

Simon Forsberg

@skiwi I wanted to be done with my image recognition on 3 days ago (on Sunday), that was optimistic.

I underestimated how slow my network was.

skiwi

7:10 PM

And the fact that you don't know yet if it's correct doesn't help either

Simon Forsberg

yeah... I need to train it much more, and to analyze it, see if the errors from what I'm expecting are reduced each iteration or not.

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skiwi

8:24 PM

@Phrancis ^^ Those are awesome cards

skiwi

8:40 PM

Hmm @Simon reading the theory and a real brain has the notion of "neurons dying off if they are unused ultimately", maybe we could add that to a neural network to filter out unused neurons :D

skiwi

8:50 PM

Next up after being more advanced in all this (and have coded what I wanted) is to really look into LTSM networks, as they are very often used

(Long-Term Short Memory) I believe

For your case of recognizing minesweeper flags Hopfield Neural Networks might even be more relevant (on first sight at least)

Interestingly 9.2 seems to describe what I have programmed, which is not that surprising as I got my inspiration from the lecture slides, which are based on this book

Simon Forsberg

10:03 PM

@skiwi I'm pretty sure that there's some learning algorithm for making the best Neural Network architecture that already does that

I haven't quite read up on the chat history here today, hope to do so tomorrow.

SirPython

10:30 PM

@DanPantry I know, that's what I was saying. Maybe I worded my sentences wrong, though.

@DanPantry This makes sense. Also, thanks for the links!

Phrancis

10:46 PM

in The 2nd Monitor, 2 mins ago, by Captain Obvious

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Q: Git Hook to Generate Commit Summary Based on Comments

I am writing two Git hooks (bash scripts) to preform text-searching and commit message formatting, and need some review regarding best practice and simplicity of the scripts. The project uses two Git hooks (prepare-commit-msg and post-commit) to grab comments with // @commmit and automatically g...

SirPython

@Phrancis That seems interesting.

SirPython

10:59 PM

All these JavaScript examples I'm seeing online are in ES6. I wonder if it's time to start learning it.

@Marc-Andre I may have misunderstood "planning", but I was congratulating you on your future child.

Marc-Andre

@SirPython Ohh well there is no child yet but we're trying so it's close ;) !

SirPython

That is good!

Dan Pantry

11:23 PM

@SirPython They're all in ES6 because most people use a transpiler to transpile from Es6 -> es5 now

also because react is written exclusively in es6

SirPython

I've heard about a transpiler for 6, but I didn't know that React was written in Es6; that's cool!

Marc-Andre

11:35 PM

@Phrancis You were right as of now the project can only be hosted on tomcat 8 on Eclipse. I'm looking for why at the moment

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Marc-Andre

I know why : it's because we are on Dynamic Web Module 3.1 and not 3.0

Phrancis

11:50 PM

@Marc-Andre OK. There is no workaround I assume then?

Marc-Andre

reading on this

Done it it's tomcat 7 friendly

Hummm the logo is not loading and I can't see why

it's a been a looong time

localhost:8080/io-web -> no logo

http://localhost:8080/io-web/-> logo

#WTF

Want me to push my modification on master @Phrancis ?

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