The Comms Room

12:01 AM

@MarkHenderson, have you played with the ExFolders tool? Can it create folders?

@Zoredache Okay untaring the .tgz yields, a directory tree (in the shape of the accounts folder structure) containing... .eml and .eml.meta files.

I think .eml is about as basic as you can get. >_<

Zoredache

Yeah, tell legal to get themselves a eml to pst converter.

84104

@Zoredache I believe they call that converter... me.

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Scott Pack

1:52 AM

@84104 You mean their secretary?

My experience with handing emails over to legal is to give it to them in the easiest format for them to import into whatever client they use. Keep the "clean version" around for the subpoena.

Shane Madden

5:13 AM

I'm such an enabler.

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A: Please help me decode this Wordpress hack?

>>> "\x65\x76\x61\x6C\x28\x67\x7A\x69\x6E\x66\x6C\x61\x74\x65\x28\x62\x61\x73\x65\x36\x34\x5F\x64\x65\x63\x6F\x64\x65\x28" 'eval(gzinflate(base64_decode(' Ok, so it's taking that base64 string, undoing the base64 and gzip, and evaluating it. (the other characters at the end are the ))...

Ward

5:57 AM

Is it late enough to post pictures? Are you around Holocryptic?

Ward

6:26 AM

So many captions come to mind:

"I know what I want for Christmas"

"All I want for Christmas is my two front..."

"I've been nice all year, I deserve some naughty"

"Yeah, I bet he likes to see that one when she's sleeping"

"Santa Claus is coming."

Once again, a big thank you to Holocryptic for this:

yayahan.com/…

Iain

7:41 AM

g'day

Zoredache

Hello

Iain

how goes ?

Zoredache

I think my video card is dieing. I am trying to find a new one that will fit in my system.

Aside from that everything is peachy. You?

You could check the 'root access' transcript if you wanted to read more of the story.

Iain

apart from our home idevices not working on wifi this morning it's good here too

Journeyman Geek

lol

everything works here :)

other than one battery from a desktop

Zoredache

8:09 AM

I sometimes wish my brain had an delete function. For example, knowing about nbtstat has almost no value any more...

Rob Moir

8:32 AM

thank god its friday

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Bart De Vos

8:53 AM

Morning all

tombull89

'Morning.

Joining chat: ur doing it rite.

Rob Moir

SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue > 0 ...... zero rows returned

tombull89

@RobMoir chuckle, I've see one like that before but it was "SELECT * FROM management WHERE clue > 0 - zero rows returned"

Rob Moir

management are a subset of users

tombull89

True, true.

Rob Moir

9:06 AM

:-)

pauska

9:28 AM

"There are two NICs on the workstations / DCs. One of them is used for network load balancing (NLB) and the other is used for management. The default gateway is only set on the NIC for NLB while the IP Address I have is the management one."

what...i...dont...even

pfo

fail

tombull89

@pauska wait...what?

wow.

pauska

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Q: Win 2008 Join Domain with PDC IP but no Domain Name of the AD

I would like to write script to allow a workstation to join a domain. I have the IP address of the primary DC of this domain. Is there any commands / scripts that I can use to retrieve the domain name of this AD domain such that the domain name can be retrieved for the join domain operation? All...

pfo

@pauska this is crying for a beating.

we should send some thugs over to resolve the problem. ;)

tombull89

@pauska All workstations / DCs are Windows Server 2008. omgwtf?

DAMMIT STACKOVERFLOW.

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Q: Deep copy of the system drive

I have several computers, all with the same hardware, I need to install on all of this pc a copy of windows xp, all the needed drivers and make a recovy partition that recover the pc to the initial state. My idea is to do this manually on a pc and then use this pc as a matrix for the others pc. I...

windows-xp-sp3

pfo

9:35 AM

> No reverse DNS zones were setup in the primary DC < --- WTF!??!

tombull89

Do we have a canocal "imaging/cloning" question?

Rob Moir

@pauska every time I read that question I can feel myself getting stupider. And it ain't like I have a lot to spare either....

Bart De Vos

9:56 AM

@pfo Internet/DNS is overrated ;)

Ah, reviewer-badge :)

Chopper3

10:23 AM

@pfo thanks again dude!

ITHedgeHog

Morning folks

gravyface

11:01 AM

why am I up this early.

SmallClanger

I'm in GMT and wondering the same thing. (morning all)

gravyface

Anyone using Veeam or AppAssure? Experiences? Trying to put together a single ESXi solution for a client with image/app level backups with no other physical box.

kind of an entry level "welcome to virtualization" that obviously lacks redundancy with one host only, but offers the consolidation benefits that a 2-3 server shop can get behind.

@pauska I wonder if the poster understands that without DNS, AD no workie so good, which pretty much defeats the purpose of joining "by IP".

pauska

@gravyface I've used Veeam before.. works great

but using a single host (or more specifically, a single storage unit) is kind of defeating the point of using veeam

gravyface

11:17 AM

@pauska well, yes, the replication obviously fails but I have many clients that could benefit from synthentic full backups to a portable medium (or a NAS/cloud backup target). Veeam appears to be able to use (and prefer, from what I was told by a tech rep there) an NTFS volume for this.

pauska

from what I remember, veeam can store the replicas on just about anything

I used a datastore on a coloed esxi box

the thing is - why would you recommend your clients to virtualize on a single host? It serves them better to not virtualize at all and run things old-stile in regards of disaster situations

two esxi hosts with veeam shuffling between them would be a much, much safer choice

it could be one large/good spec'ed server + a home brew server that manages to boot esxi (as in HCL compatible)

like a desktop i7 with a NIC that works

gravyface

@pauska because a single ESXi, while giving them a single point of failure, is really no different in that regard to a single physical SBS server.

pauska

that is true, but it still proves my point

your clients cant afford a $700 PC for disaster recovery?

gravyface

@pauska hadn't read that post yet (it's really early here :) ). Yes, that was something I had considered as well, but it doesn't give them any off-site replication, just localized redundancy.

pfo

@Chopper3 hey!

gravyface

11:25 AM

so I could expose an e-sata drive as a RDM to the ESXi host.

pfo

@Chopper3 any time again you're in the hood ;)

Chopper3

:)

put the photo up last night

pfo

seen it

good tradition to start!

gravyface

another option I'm looking at is Exagrid.

pfo

we should have a badge for that ;)

btw is anyone in the vmware project octopus beta?

i need that thing!

gravyface

11:26 AM

where we would provide a large node in our data center that the client's could replicate their smaller Exagrid nodes to and not have to pay to colo it themselves.

tombull89

@pfo project octopus?

pfo

some kind of enterprise drop box from vmware

but has versioning and offers web-app (next to iOS, mac,linux,win,andriod) with read preview for common formats like doc, pdf, etc.

gravyface

@pfo sounds interesting. Could be they're getting in the cloud replication game.

@pfo hmm, guess not.

pfo

i have client that really would want that

Kev

@Chopper3 - you around

pfo

11:34 AM

heck i'd probably use that myself.

Chopper3

yep

pfo

roll it on my home ESXs and access from everywhere

Kev

@Chopper3 - this got migrated by users to you: serverfault.com/questions/336958/deep-copy-of-the-system-drive

Chopper3

yep, see it

Kev

I can roll back, can you delete on your end?

Chopper3

11:35 AM

done

Kev

fab, thanks

tombull89

@Kev Thanks for caring.

Chopper3

yep, cheers

Kev

@tombull89 - no prbs, it's hard to control user driven migrations, as mods we often never see them

until we get a flag

pauska

great to see that you care about this stuff

I always head back to SO and flag when there is a incorrect migration

tombull89

11:38 AM

@pauska Wait, you can do that?

pauska

thats the downside of too many people with high enough rep :(

tombull89

@Kev Well, it's appricaited.

pauska

@tombull89 Yep, click the "migrated from blah" link and flag there

gravyface

11:48 AM

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A: Safe way to move Pagefile.sys SBS 2008

You can use the standard System Properties > Performance Options to move the Pagefile, but make sure that SYSTEM has full control on D:. EDIT More detailed instructions: Right-click Computer > Advanced system settings > Advanced tab > click Settings... under Performance > Advanced tab then Cha...

read his last comment; I'm now concerned that, if he can't figure the rest out, perhaps he shouldn't be moving around page files on his server.

Andy Smith

@gravyface Quite...

tombull89

Wow. TomTom's getting his snark on.

-1

Q: DiscountASP.NET/shared hosting

I am in the process of trying to source an ASP.NET MVC3/SQL2008 host and think I'm happy with DiscountASP.NET however I have a few questions which I can't seem to find answers to: 1) What sort of CPU will my site be allocated and what sort of CPU backs the SQL server DB? Or is this a dumb questi...

windows sql-server-2008 hosting asp.net-mvc

(well-deserved, though).

Andy Smith

@tombull89 Yeah, he's got a point :-)

Kev

@tombull89 it's a shame that whilst calling out the OP on his question, he can't be bothered to spell check his answer.

tombull89

@Kev I've got a couple of rep from correcting a few of his answers.

pauska

11:55 AM

@Kev He never does, he's our little angry mascot

tombull89

You're probably not familliar with TomTom, he does get quite angry. He's been suspended...two, maybe three times to cool down?

Kev

@tombull89 I am quite familiar with him, he's a cheeky little so and so

tombull89

Oh, yes. I didn't realise he was on SO as well.

SmallClanger

I stand by my theory that he doesn't exist, physically. That he's just an electronic manifestation of the snark that lurks in all of us.

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Kev

@tombull89 he's like the twin brother of a well known PHP tag user who also has a problem choosing his words carefully

tombull89

11:57 AM

Ouch. The comments on this answer of his bite a little.

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A: How to Download Razor View Engine

YOu can not. It does not exist AND NEVER WILL. install razor view engine for ASP.Net MVC 2 Rality check: Razor is one of the new featuresi n the soon (within this month) RTMing MVC3. It is not available in MVC2 and there are no plans to backport it.

@Kev I am not that aware of SO lore.

Kev

@tombull89 heh...comedy

gravyface

He's a classic BOFH. I get a kick out of him.

Chopper3

I like him too, he does go too far periodically (who doesn't) and I've suspended him but he adds a lot too

Rob Moir

12:20 PM

and he's given us at least one meme

there is that

pauska

NC

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Q: Tool/utility to extract a server's basic hardware innards

I have a pile of approx 20 rack servers to move out of the office and onto ebay or somewhere. Can anyone recommend a good tool that will display some basic info like CPU type/speed/count/cores, memory, disks, controller card?

inventory asset-management

@RobMoir run it on the iphone?

SmallClanger

@pauska I like @ward's comment.

Rob Moir

want to run a massive website? There's an app for that...

need to host terabytes of SQL data? There's an app for that too

Andy Smith

0

Q: Can I install WIndows 7 Utlimate(x64) on top on Windows 7 Home Premium(x64)?

Will I retain all my programs/documents/settings? This is not Anytime Upgrade route

windows-7

Should be superuser?

(ignoring the obvious 'use google')

SmallClanger

@RobMoir Need some memory caching, ask Siri: "Siri, store this JSON object for me..."

Rob Moir

12:34 PM

@AndySmith a well written version of that question could go on SU, yes. Not sure there's enough meat on the bones of that one to migrate it

Andy Smith

@RobMoir agreed

Shads0

1:23 PM

Anyone else have Google Apps?

Chopper3

google do

jscott

2:07 PM

@Shads0 We're migrating from Lotus Notes to Google Apps, yes.. I also have Google Apps for my personal domain

Shads0

i have it, wondering if anyone's users have been getting a virus popup when signing in

only the one account is getting it, only through his google apps account, only on IE

on w google support now, found some forum posts of the same thing, but can't replicate on my account which has all the same settings and such. Only pops upduring sign in so I'm thinking a cookie got corrupt or something related to sign on.

jscott

@Shads0 Nope, we've about 800 staff and 2K students on it, no virus messages. Google did start defaulting to the "new" look this morning. On older browers (FF3, IE7,6) this will trigger an "unsupported browser" message.

Shads0

Started happening yesterday anyway.

jscott

@Shads0 Yeah, they don't always roll-out features world-wide, it seems to trickle in. I usually see things in my personal Apps before we get them here in the EDU Apps.

Still, what you describe sounds kinda malware-ish. May have nothing to do with Google Apps. Could be a lovely IE add-in malware.

Shads0

Just very odd, doesn't matter what computer is used, no attachments are left in the account to trigger. Definitely has to be on the Apps side of things relating to IE.

jscott

2:13 PM

Oh?

Shads0

IE8 or IE9

jscott

That's a bit different then.

Shads0

And that's what I'm scratching my head at

this computer, I signed onto my account with IE9 (only thing changed is the homepage stock from Dell), nothing popped up. Sign into his, BOOM.

jscott

@Shads0 See if they've anything enabled in "Labs" that could turned off? Not sure...

Shads0

Tried that

Looking up the virus 'name' says its almost 5 years old but that's prolly just the signature it's coming up with.

I just have a feeling that some code is borking and just throwing the virus signature, and it's not actually a virus

Hah, even the apps support guy is like "Fuckin IE"

pauska

2:24 PM

flag weight 599.3523

heh. is 600 max?

tombull89

@pauska 749.9999999999

Shads0

Bout to say, I'm sitting at 650 atm

@jscott Gapps thinks it might be the way IE uses SSL, they're checking a few things now.

jscott

2:46 PM

@Shads0 Interesting. We've had "require SSL" enabled since Google offered it in the Admin Panel. Would be curious to hear what they discover with your config.

Shads0

@jscott Actually, I just discovered I do not have it enabled. Thought I did, unless they changed it because they said they were testing a few things with our settings

Or I'm just that absent minded and didn't have it enabled

Stack Exchange

The Nubby SysAdmin: Scumbag Cisco Press, Part 1

posted on December 02, 2011 by Wesley David

Oh Cisco Press. Why must you annoy me so.

Shads0

3:49 PM

GApps rep "It's a fookin mystery"

Stack Exchange

Duct Tape and Popsicle Sticks: Managing Stale Computers

posted on December 02, 2011 by MarkM

It happens to everyone. A Helpdesk staffer removes a computer from an office or lab, doesn't tell anyone, and sends it to the scrap heap. For small organizations, this isn't a big deal. Eventually, someone will notice and remove the corresponding object from Active Directory. In larger organizations, this can lead to hundreds or even thousands of orphaned accounts in AD over time, if le…

gravyface

I love it when somebody comes along three hours later, posts nearly an identical answer, and gets marked as "correct".
http://serverfault.com/questions/336973/how-do-i-auto-start-an-ec2-instance-only-when-the-site-is-being-accessed/336977#336977

ewwhite

4:26 PM

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Q: Is there a way to delete 100GB file on Linux without thrashing IO / load?

I have a huge log file I need to delete on a production web server. I'm worried it'll bring the system to a crawl if I rm it on Linux. Any brilliant ideas? Update: Filesystem: ext3 Partition: /var (mostly logs and MySQL data) Log file is no longer being written to. (No additional data is bein...

linux io rm

A single file delete/unlink shouldn't be that painful, should it?

Peter Grace

it can be, depending on the io subsystem and filesystem.

I actually did a bit of research to see if unlink would work better as opposed to rm, but sadly seems like there's no way out of the wait.

ewwhite

How about the zeroing of the file?

Peter Grace

Will a dumb switch happily pass all vlan tags?

it should, right?

vmware is on my shitlist this morning. I created a new vswitch on an esxi box, and created a loopback network, popped two vms on it. chatter between the two vms works great, but the vlan tagged packets fail.

Chopper3

It depends Peter - some will actually fuck you over just for the hell of it, even though it's actually technically more work for them than just cutting it through - vswitches are different as they're very vlan-aware, a bit too much in some cases as you've seen, they're kind of a layer 2.25 switch really

Peter Grace

Yeah.. I'm about as close as I'm going to get to verifying that what we're trying to do will work

pfo

4:50 PM

@PeterGrace put a VM that has wireshark/tshark on it and put it in the same vSwitch - allow promiscuous mode and see where things are failing.

Peter Grace

@pfo yep, I'm looking at tcpdump on both vms

pfo

generally vLANs and vswitches/dvswitches do work - but as Chopper3 said it is kind of a layer 2 1/4 switches.

Peter Grace

@pfo regular untagged traffic is propogating between the two just fine

@pfo the vlan tagged packets aren't getting to the other vm.

pfo

there are a lot more options for tagged/untagged traffic on vswitches then a real switch has, so take care.

you can let the vswitch/dvswitch drop/add tags etc.

Peter Grace

I dont see any config for that in the vcenter gui

are these all command-line level tweaks?

pfo

4:53 PM

are u using the "internal"/private vLAN feature for that or do you really just need the same (tagged) vLAN into the guests?

Peter Grace

Well, I'm trying to validate that ubuntu's vlan and ucarp setup in the interfaces file will play nice together

pfo

no reason for this to not work

Peter Grace

it looks like it will, by all accounts, just I can't actually validate it because trying to pass a vlan tag over a VM Network that its not expecting seems to fail

and I get annoyed when I have to suppose something will work right.

pfo

lemme check, i only have a normal esxi at home to play with.

i do most of the time work with dvswitches, so i might have told you something that is only doable on the dvswitch.

Peter Grace

yeah, we're not rockin' enterprise plus here ;)

pfo

5:01 PM

@PeterGrace you do want the guests to tag on their own, right?

Peter Grace

Yep, I was trying to emulate our hardware environment, bare metal servers

so in that case, they will be doing the tagging themselves

pfo

check this KB: kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/…

Peter Grace

those bastards

how would I have known 4095 was the magic password :P

pfo

brb

Peter Grace

@pfo awesome, if you want some rep I'll ask the question on serverfault and accepted answer the above info

I came here to bitch, and came out with an answer. Awesome.

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Holocryptic

5:05 PM

@Ward Always glad to help, sir :)

Peter Grace

@pfo +1000, that worked like a charm.

84104

Iron port thinks I'm neutral, and the mailqueue is back to normal. This may be an okay day.

Holocryptic

I'm not on helpdesk, but at a new client. And I'm drinking tonight. It's gonna be a great day. And coming from me, thats like earth shattering news.

Shads0

@84104 It's Friday, so naturally something will bork at the last minute

Kenny Rasschaert

Evening all

Holocryptic

5:12 PM

Afternoon

Kenny Rasschaert

ah yes, timezones

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Q: Linux - Date of the latest modified file in a folder

What I want to accomplish here is this: I have an apache website, and on that website, I want to display something like Latest website update: 01/12/2011 at 6h32 AM I had an idea on how to do this. I could write an hourly script that checks the date of the latest modified file in the /var/ww...

linux apache2 webserver website

Sysadmin code golf

84104

@Shads0 Friday doesn't seem to be so bad. Friday before a three day weekend however... historically it's rained in at least on server room.

pfo

@PeterGrace you're welcome!

glad to help

@PeterGrace but don't advertise that this rooms sometimes does 'live support' ;)

some rep is always welcome :P

MarkM

0

Q: Why do I need six cores in a cpu for a server?

I was getting specs for dell server and one cpu is an Intel Xeon with 6 cores, another 4 cores. What am I getting with this? Do I need six cores? What does that give me? I don't know what mult-core cpus give me but that's about all I can get. thanks for any help.

multi-core cpu-architecture

facepalm

Aaron

5:31 PM

Iain

6:01 PM

That's all my delete votes for the day gone :)

MikeyB

I am a precious snowflake.

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Q: Implications of 100% utilization on dm device

We have a RHEL server here with 4 active paths to a single LUN. We suspect that it's not able to cram enough IOs down the pipeline to the XIV on the other end: mpath0 (XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX) dm-9 IBM,2810XIV [size=1.6T][features=1 queue_if_no_path][hwhandler=0][rw] \_ round-robin 0 [prio=4][active] \...

linux redhat multipath xiv

Shads0

tsk tsk 61% accept rate?

pfo

@MikeyB what is the round robin interval?

you should something like 1000 IOPS per cycle

anything else is too inefficient

MikeyB

@Shads0 If my questions had answers, I'd accept them :p

pfo

do NOT cycle each IO on a different path.

MikeyB

6:11 PM

@pfo Hmmmm cust has that set to 15. Default is 1000, yeah.

pfo

15 is too low

use 1000

but 1500 IOPS is a friggin joke.

even for DM

but generally speaking - i don't trust the XIV too much -

you may be better off by using two active-active groups

MikeyB

@pfo We can cram a hell of a lot more at it, the XIV itself is sitting there barely blinking but I'm suspecting RHEL as the problem

pfo

yeah, but seriously 1500 IOPS is NOTHING of an IO load

neither on the dm side nor on the XIV - that i'm sure

but 15 IOs per cycle is way too low for my tastet and i'd suspect the problem to be there

can you try 500-ish ?

MikeyB

@pfo IBM's specific recommendation is 15.

pfo

heck 15 is soo low - doesn't IBM offer own MPIO drivers for the XIV?

i know they have RDAC for DS3,4,5K

MikeyB

6:20 PM

@pfo Bumping it up didn't change anything.

The supported multipath method is now built into Linux, even with the DS3-5K (LSI Engenio RDAC)

The Host Attachment Kit (which makes these changes) is installed.

We're running DB2 and it looks like it's an audit log written on every single query that's the bottleneck.

pfo

but 1500 for like nothing

also the latency seems very fine to me

all cached

MikeyB

@pfo If I run some medium-block random IO against it I'm seeing 24K IOPS. If we're waiting on a fsync() after each write to the log, that'll show up as IOWAIT time, won't it?

pfo

yes

but the 'await' and 'svctm' columns will show more directly if you are forcing unit access/synchronizing caches etc.

MikeyB

@pfo That's probably it then. Yeah, we don't have write barriers yet (RHEL 5.6) so I don't think there'll be any FUA transactions. But that freaking audit logfile is probably messing us up.

pfo

another way to see what is happening is to trace the SCSI commands and check what the CDB is like via 'blktrace'

which FS is on that thing?

you also don't need write barriers with an XIV ;)

MikeyB

6:28 PM

Discuss 337111

serverfault.com/questions/337111/…

@pfo Yeah, not on any enterprise storage :p

pfo

your average service time is 1.X milliseconds so there is no FUA going on as the XIV is running 7K2 disks which would have service time in the order of 10+ ms

voretaq7

GrumbleGrumble Ubuntu GrumbleGrumble Unity GrumbleGrumble festering feces factory!

pfo

on a side note: fsync() is ok on Linux but all O_DIRECT stuff is MUCH slower since the in-kernel code paths for O_DIRECT haven't been touched in years according to Jens Axboe who is the block layer maintainer

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 It's no worse than the gnome3 ui

pfo

@voretaq7 and @ScottPack 2012 is going the be THE year of the linux desktop.

Scott Pack

6:33 PM

@pfo Just like 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, and 2007?

pfo

yeah, but this time it's real.

Scott Pack

Oh sure you betcha

Zoredache

@pfo, sure it is going to become extremely popular sometime around 12/21/2012...

pfo

you insensitive disbeliever!

Scott Pack

@pfo For full disclosure, I type this from my linux workstation.

pfo

6:35 PM

i use xmonad on Linux so not much to fear from unity&gnome3 :P

and on xmonad i only run chrome and KDE's konsole + kmail

Scott Pack

Aye. I switched to xfce when the Great Migration happened.

MarkM

@ScottPack C'mon now. They can't GIVE it away.

:)

voretaq7

@ScottPack yes it is.

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 You really think so? Wow, that's pretty foul.

pfo

@MikeyB your problem doesn't make any sense to me - the DM utilization is in terms of number of IOs is low, latency is good, etc.

voretaq7

6:37 PM

It's not fucking configurable - shit like the "click here to launch random applications" icon are hardcoded and unremovable

MikeyB

Discuss 337111

serverfault.com/questions/337111/…

voretaq7

I had to downgrade to the "2d" (non-accelerated) version which is configurable.

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 Sounds not entirely dissimilar to gnome3.

voretaq7

and that means they're not reusing code. Goddamned amateurs should not be allowed to write software!

pfo

@MikeyB noop/deadline is the appropriate elevator for that load for sure

voretaq7

6:38 PM

at least with gnome if I disabled it in gconf it was disabled. period.

pfo

@ have you considered running blktrace?

you'll need debugfs which might be a problem on a production system.

MikeyB

@pfo come into the other room so we don't pollute this one :)

MarkM

@pfo I think he wants you to join that chat that he keeps linking to so that the convo doesn't flood the general room :)

voretaq7

/me is done ranting about shit ubuntu design decisions.... until the next one I run into

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 Why do you still use ubuntu?

voretaq7

6:41 PM

but if anyone has a ragdoll with Shuttleworth's face on it I'd really like to knife it a few times.
*Stabbing makes me feel better!*

MarkM

@voretaq7 You haven't formatted all of that stuff and put BSD on it yet?

voretaq7

@ScottPack Path of least resistance

MarkM

Noob.

2

voretaq7

@MarkM Too much work to get a decent GUI working on *BSD

MarkM

@voretaq7 Sounds like you have the same problem on Ubuntu :)

voretaq7

6:42 PM

This has to go out to our clients, and I don't have a development team.
Anyone have a cup of developer I can borrow?

Scott Pack

I've found Fedora to be pretty easy to work with, and doesn't have nearly the brain dead design decisions that Ubuntu likes to take.

Peter Grace

Man, everyone hates on Unity.

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 ew

Peter Grace

Why?! It's pretty nice.

MarkM

@ScottPack No LTS :)

voretaq7

6:42 PM

@ScottPack I might consider switching us over.

@PeterGrace HARDCODED FUNCTIONALITY IS SATAN'S HELL-BESMIRCHED FARTING HOLE! <-- That's why.

tombull89

I've recently taken a peek at the latest Linux Mint...I kinda prefer it over the latest Ubuntu...

voretaq7

:-)

tombull89

also, it's friday. AWFUL VIDEO TIME.

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Peter Grace

@voretaq7 What in it is hardcoded? I wasn't aware of this.

I'm only speaking purely from a user aspect, it ran pretty well on my netbook and I liked how clean it was.

MarkM

Farting-hole: The newest @voretaq7-approved way to belittle Linux.

Peter Grace

6:44 PM

I was telling @Zypher about this the other day, in fact -- I found that once I gave up trying to "fix it" and just "use it" I liked it a lot more.

Zoredache

@voretaq7, install xubuntu or kubuntu then?

voretaq7

@Zoredache also options - though I don't hate everything about unity -- The universal menu is actually a Good thing

@PeterGrace In the accelerated-graphics version of Unity there's no way (aside from editing code & recompiling) to remove the "dash home" and workspace switcher icons

at least that's what an hour of poking around and googling/digging through askubuntu.SE seems to indicate

Peter Grace

hmm, maybe I didn't see that functionality, but it was probably due to the fact it was on a netbook.

voretaq7

You CAN get rid of it if you're using "unity-2d" (unaccelerated) by editing a little config file.

Peter Grace

that's weird, why make it configurable in only one spot

voretaq7

6:47 PM

that's the part that really angers me: If I can configure it in one why can't I configure it in both?

Peter Grace

or one build, rather.

have you tried asking #ubuntu on freenode.net?

maybe there's some different config file for 3d version.

Scott Pack

@MarkM But for my desktop? I don't freaking care. It's a morning's worth of time to prep and upgrade to the next version.

pfo

@PeterGrace have you posted the question already :P ?

Peter Grace

pfo: haha, no, just got back from lunch.

pfo: one min :)

pfo

ah, sorry didn't want to bitch about it - i just wanted to get it done before i leave the office - it's 8PM here ;)

voretaq7

6:51 PM

that'll be my stop next week - right now I don't have time to diddle with it.
there are config files for the accelerated version, but apparently not for "this gets stuck on the launcher/dash panel/whatever it's called these days"

MarkM

@ScottPack Ah, I thought @voretaq7 was complaining about machines that he sends out to clients.

voretaq7

@MarkM @ScottPack I had to migrate off the LTS release actually. Ancient kernel doesn't support our new hardware

and I am NOT getting into being a kernel maintainer.

MarkM

@voretaq7 Noob.

voretaq7

@MarkM The Linux kernel is like raw chicken: poorly-cleaned, slimy, disgusting, and probably riddled with salmonella.

Peter Grace

@pfo get ready!

MarkM

6:55 PM

1 min ago, by MarkM

@voretaq7 Noob.

that's better.

Peter Grace

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Q: How can I setup vSphere so that VLAN tags are not stripped at the vSwitch?

I am trying to test a VLAN-related networking issue, so I thought that firing up a couple virtual machines would be the easiest and cleanest method to test the problem. On the vSphere server I created a new vSwitch with no adapters bound, then created a new VM Network with VLAN tag 0 (disabled.)...

networking vmware-esx vlan vmware-vsphere

@pfo GO GO GO

:P

pfo

@PeterGrace thx ;)

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