The Whiteboard

enderland

3:00 AM

Duluth is a beautiful city

user55340

being able to walk there meant that I could imbibe and walk back without trouble.

enderland

We have joked, not sure how seriously, about moving there and finding a job

Given the amount of advertisements for companies hiring along 35... seems it'd be simple enough

user55340

Last year I was looking into a telecommuting programming (contracting) job focusing on companies in northern Wisconsin, upper peninsula, and northern Minnesota.

user55340

Didn't really want to pursue it though - the contracting thing.

Ampt

@MichaelT That moment when you lead for 0 minutes 0 seconds of the game and still win

user55340

3:02 AM

@enderland saturnsys.com

Ampt

I was at the thanksgiving game against the bears

It was both awesome and awful all at once.

enderland

When we were in WI last summer, a few of the bathrooms in restaurants seemed to have job postings too, for quite a few miles away from the locale, too. Was surprising...

@MichaelT I think that's the one I saw an ad for, can't remember now, there were multiple iirc

user55340

There is a fair amount of mobility of people along I-90/94

Ampt

@MichaelT hush you

Muchos Gracias

user55340

Did you see that thing about the new form of carbon they found?

user55340

3:05 AM

Q-carbon

Q-carbon is an allotrope of carbon announced in 2015 by researchers of North Carolina State University. It is the most recently described allotrope. Q-carbon is formed by bringing the temperature of a thin layer of amorphous carbon to 4,000 K (3,700 °C; 6,700 °F) at atmospheric pressure and then rapidly cooling it. == Properties == Q-carbon is ferromagnetic, unlike all other known forms of carbon, and Q-carbon appears to be harder than diamond. It has a mixed sp2/sp3 form. The electron cloud is subjected to a rapid dissociation within the same phase forming a ferromagnetic allotrope. == See... ==

Ampt

I did - and they make it at room temp no less

quite intriguing

user55340

Magnetic, harder than a diamond, it glows.

enderland

ooooh, nice

Ampt

thats exactly the one I'm looking at

they have a few cushion cuts that she likes

user55340

My father's comment about Q carbon (he was a physical chemist in academia) was "sorter bonds? How do they do that... how is that stable, if you told me it was an explosive I would not be surprised, but to be stable?"

enderland

3:08 AM

:25964977 NICE. lol :D ours were $1000 for engagement ring, $500 for wedding band and my ring. around $2k for everything combined. I think we could have gotten cheaper had we found a cheaper place, but the experience at Iowa Diamond was fun (we designed her ring based on some existing examples, which cost us a bit more)

durron597

hey @enderland and @Ampt

Ampt

@durron597 howdy

enderland

we went in together and designed it, so you know a big portion of that cost was overhead/design/etc

hey @durron597!

durron597

@enderland can you look at my situation from just before michaelt was regaling us about his gas line shenanigans, i'm curious about your thoughts

it's (removed)

user55340

Incidentally, he's going to visit a professor tomorrow (another p-chem - and the one that he studied his phd under) and I suggested to bring this up. ~15 years ago I recall him talking about an exam or quiz that he was giving out that went essentially "Diamonds are forever - this statement is a) true because... b) true because c) true because d) false because..." and the answer was false.

enderland

3:11 AM

@durron597 dont you have a code review process?

durron597

@enderland of course

enderland

oooooh, a stealth commit

user55340

You know that @ThomasOwens is going to look back at this and go "guys" and then try to sort out all of the deleted comments.

enderland

can you see if that commit by itself broke it? you could just fix it then (not sure the scope of offending changes or how much was built on them)

durron597

@enderland i emailed the developer and the PM asking about what problem / feature they were trying to solve / implement here

enderland

3:13 AM

oh. lol. mysterious code commit with no reasoning that breaks functionality that no one seemingly cared about... ? :)

durron597

@enderland Oh, they care about it NOW

I asked my boss if I could have time to improve the testing and deployment process and he said he wanted me to fix this problem first

enderland

@Ampt that particular place sat us down and showed us literally hundreds of options, we picked the ones we liked and then talked with the guy and asked what we could do, he told us what it'd cost (I think it was like $250 more to have customizeD? I forget)

Ampt

@durron597 what, you don't want the opinion of a sock too?

enderland

you could just say something like, "it seems some previous code wasn't tested and I'm investigating what happened" -- it might not be helpful to throw a guy under the bus? though... meh, that sort of thing isn't the type of thing any good dev should be doing (no tests might be excusable or at least plausible, but no code review?? )

Ampt

IMO you should just focus on why it's broke

and when

errr

how it's broke and when**

durron597

3:16 AM

@Ampt I do, but enderland and glenh7 tend to give me serious advice whereas you tend to make jokes

user55340

Things my cat does not understand: remote control for heater. air pressure (open one door, another door closes), CD trays with a keyboard open button.

enderland

the biggest thing imo would be whether or not YOU are going to look bad if it takes you a while to undo the mess

user55340

The last especially terrifies / intrigues him.

Ampt

and how you can fix it, along with a solid plan to prevent it from happening in the future. Who broke it can either be a part of that or not, with the latter being my preference.

durron597

don't get me wrong, i love the jokes, but i'm really concerned about navigating tomorrow morning's scrum, because i still don't exactly have a handle on exactly what's wrong yet

Ampt

3:17 AM

@durron597 wait, this isn't a room for comedy.se?

Say you found the likely timeframe when it broke, and need more time to investigate why it's not working

are you worried about having to potentially oust another team member?

user55340

Remember, its the processes fault that there isn't any useful data being extracted from this data yet.

Ampt

or are they expecting you to know who broke it

Jimmy Hoffa

@durron597 "I figured it out" + ("I'm working on the fix now, it should be set in X period" || "and the issue relates to a mistake in X that caused Y to Z, I think we should be able to have it fixed with solution A in J period")

user55340

Breaking a table that isn't producing useful data isn't a problem - because there's nothing useful in it.

Ampt

damn, WTF is everyone doing here on sunday night

Jimmy Hoffa

3:19 AM

@Ampt I was playing team fortress, but my wife usurped the computer to make xmas cards

durron597

what it really looks like is the following

my team had some loaner developers that went back to their original teams shortly before this commit went in

one of the new, full time developers made some changes to add a new workflow for doing task X

user55340

You could also go "the code around this is complex and I'm not exactly sure what the intended code functionality is that was put in place here - without understanding that, it will possibly cause a regression of that functionality if this is fixed."

Jimmy Hoffa

@durron597 we all deal with this stuff daily - it comes down to calling it a "mistake" and then talking about ways to ensure the mistake doesn't occur again. The cause of the mistake isn't the focus- but barriers to it's reoccurence are.

durron597

it seems as though the old workflow may not have been perfect but it was at least doing the job, and the new workflow seems to not work, period

enderland

@MichaelT yeah, this is hat I'm not sure on - if this is an isolated change you could just undo and get things working again? or if it's foundational

user55340

3:20 AM

Do not put a "who to blame" field in the bug tracker and ask here if its a good idea or not.

Ampt

@durron597 are you worried about the new worker not being capable enough to continue working in the code base? If so, that's not something you talk about during a standup

durron597

it's actually possible that the developer didn't make the mistake, it's that the non-technical person who is supposed to execute the new workflow didn't do it right

Ampt

that's something you sit down with your mutual manager about.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT just put it in and start lopping heads?

@enderland which is why I explicitly said not to - you point at the code and proclaim "There's a mistake" or "there's a bug" not "You did it, you scoundrel!"

user55340

598

Q: My boss decided to add a "person to blame" field to every bug report. How can I convince him that it's a bad idea?

In one of the latest "WTF" moves, my boss decided that adding a "Person To Blame" field to our bug tracking template will increase accountability (although we already have a way of tying bugs to features/stories). My arguments that this will decrease morale, increase finger-pointing and would not...

user55340

3:21 AM

Hey guys, I'm the "boss" who introduced the WTF field. Here's why I added a "Peson to Blame" field to our bug tracking system: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4179298 — Jason Jun 29 '12 at 22:01

Ampt

would it help to look at this problem like this random commit was the result of a very, very, very lucky neutrino strike on the repo hard drive?

@MichaelT that came up sometime on friday

durron597

@enderland that's close, the main problem is this: my first job out of college i mostly worked on my own projects and didn't really have teammates working on the same code. then i played poker / tutored for SATs for years. then i got a job where i was the only developer for three years

this is my first job out of college where i am working on the same codebase with other engineers. i'm 32.

Ampt

This happens all the time - people make mistakes, others find them. Try not to skewer your coworker and you'll be fine.

enderland

there is a big difference between identifying a problem and blaming someone for it. everyone makes mistakes

Jimmy Hoffa

@durron597 then you have an avenue to follow: Can you divine an approach to executing the operation where it would function properly? This is archaeology 101 - something worth practicing, figuring out the various ways to use somebody elses code to then explain why those uses may have been the intended ones or unintended ones

Ampt

3:23 AM

I think you're overthinking this

enderland

^

user55340

Aside, one of my most useful things during college was becoming a coder on an LP mud... I had a dozen other coders to work with (where english wasn't the first language - it was Swedish), and users that were actively hostile to my code (granted, my code was hostile to them too...)

Ampt

alternatively, as someone who's been to TWP, I suggest you quit your job ASAP

enderland

@durron597 ouch

user55340

@Ampt should go back to my first comment.

user55340

3:24 AM

2 hours ago, by MichaelT

@durron597 Just quit.

user55340

2 hours ago, by MichaelT

Wait, I'm not on The workplace... whats the question?

Jimmy Hoffa

:25965279 I'm hearing multiple issues that you may wish to raise. 1) I don't see a safe way to test this 2) A functioning approach to using it isn't currently known by the available team 3) There may be a mistake causing it to have no appropriate functional behaviour

Why are you hung up on the right/wrong approach to handling this? Do mistakes get looked upon very harshly there or something?

Or have you been a closet perfectionist all this time? :)

enderland

from my armchair quarterbacking at least ;)

durron597

@JimmyHoffa closet?

Ampt

@enderland we have a whole divisions worth of Armchair QBs here

enderland

3:26 AM

I feel like I've known him to be a perfectionist a long time, lol

durron597

@enderland ^^^ this

enderland

I don't even know why, that just seems... like the durron I know. lol

Ampt

welcome to the team world - where people make mistakes and shipped code > perfect code :D

Jimmy Hoffa

haha o goodness, I guess I didn't realize - but this is not the funnest industry for a perfectionist. We deal with things far too grand to get right

Either way, just relax. Communicate with your team the same way you would want them to communicate with you regarding such an issue if you had built the team and were managing it all.

durron597

@JimmyHoffa well, there's a balance between "perfect as possible" and "technical debt, wheee" and we all fall somewhere on the spectrum

user55340

3:28 AM

2 days ago, by MichaelT

Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good.

user55340

2 days ago, by MichaelT

It can be more difficult to later fix a perfect solution than a good one.

user55340

2 days ago, by MichaelT

We are paid to write code that ships. Not perfect code.

Jimmy Hoffa

Sep 30 '13 at 17:55, by MichaelT

foo, bar, qux, bletch.

Ampt

Dec 3 at 22:19, by Ampt

yesterday, by Jimmy Hoffa

Nov 6 at 20:35, by enderland

2 days ago, by Jimmy Hoffa

yesterday, by MichaelT

Jul 28 '14 at 18:52, by Jimmy Hoffa

<--- Helping.

I think it would be funny if a mod went back and edited that to say Not helping and it changed all the linked times

enderland

lol

Ampt

3:31 AM

It would be 100x more accurate hahaha

enderland

I like the timeline on that quote block, dec 3, dec 5, nov 6, dec 4, dec 5, july 14

Ampt

@durron597 have we helped your situation at all?

yeah I have no clue how the hell that works hahaha

user55340

@enderland the 'yesterday' was November 3rd.

enderland

ahhhhh, that makes much more sense

Ampt

lol it keeps relative times

user55340

3:33 AM

It keeps the text that was posted.

enderland

if you were to go edit that chain backwards, it'd update again I suspect

with the actual dates

user55340

On november 4th:

Ampt

someone submit a feature request and submit it to shog

user55340

Ampt

dear shog: We need chain messages to be deep linked.

enderland

3:34 AM

status-declined: stop nesting so many chat messages

user55340

The thing is to go back and flag the first one and then complain that all the ones referencing it haven't been updated.

enderland

that's a much more valid concern IMO as the "new guy"

Ampt

@durron597 sometimes automated testing isn't in scope for the project - for better or worse

Jimmy Hoffa

haha in other words, your teammates are finding your perfectionism irritating? :P

Ampt

#justconsultantthings

durron597

3:36 AM

@JimmyHoffa surprise of the century

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt sometimes quality isn't in scope for the team - we work on computers, we work with people, learning to do the second is just as important as the first.

user55340

For fun: chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=16827340&user=&room=21

user55340

That shows that comment chain.

enderland

@JimmyHoffa I tried reprogramming them, but I kept getting undefined behavior. :\

durron597

@JimmyHoffa I agree, that's the main thing I came in here to ask about

Ampt

3:37 AM

@enderland have you tried unplugging and plugging your teammates back in?

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland yeah but the one that's stuck in a coffee making loop is a complete success IMO

user55340

However, there's also this one: chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=15603745&room=21

durron597

Advice on handling the people side of this programming / workflow problem

Ampt

it's hard to answer that question without knowing your team comp

Jimmy Hoffa

@durron597 don't let mistakes or uncertainty wind you up; there'll be plenty of both, chat with your team, it's not like they're going to grimace shout "I dare say!?" and slap you with a dueling glove. Understand the issue and you'll know what to communicate; keep the focus on technical with no indications of how. "This is the problem" -> "It can be solved like this" -> "If we do this it won't reoccur", only 3 topics to mention.

enderland

3:38 AM

it might be helpful to keep in mind you might have higher standards than your team does (or needs...)

Ampt

how many snipers did you spawn with?

user55340

Workflow failed because no meaningful data is being extracted from it. This shows that we might need a YAGNI check on it, or actually produce some meaningful data from it in a report. The later will also expose if there are any problems with that part of the design.

enderland

it also sounds like you are not having trouble being/appearing competent (which helps with stuff like this imo since you at least get some level of respect, hopefully)

Ampt

I find they tend to assign blame more than, say, assault spawns or engineering spawns.

Jimmy Hoffa

and don't mention those things in a haughty and or british accent, or in a demanding fashion. Ask questions to let other's come up with ideas. If people aren't interested in a topic, table it until they are.

user55340

3:39 AM

There are few things as fun as "ok, we've been collecting this data for a year... can you tell me XYZ..." to which the answer is "no, because we're not collecting that data"

enderland

anyways folks, off for the night

almost cleared out my email... almost

user55340

Hmm... going to see if I can play with stars for a moment.

Ampt

@enderland see ya tomorrow

side note: are you all usually on sunday nights?

info says no

user55340

Hmm... nope, don't see it. Too old apparently, and its not the star that is key to the age of it showing up.

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland depends. I've worked with two guys everybody absolutely hated and one many folk refused to work with in years past despite being very good both of them. Communication "style" is a term because it's a real thing, and some folks choose one that is the verbal equivalent of dressing yourself in garbage bags claiming "it's good enough for pac-man ghosts"

FizzledOut

3:42 AM

@MichaelT I remember why I didn't use base calls for all the Clone() methods. The classes all implement an abstract class, MazeBlock, that I don't want to allow others to instantiate. If I try to make a Clone() method in that class, I'll need to instantiate it and remove the abstract modifier. Is there a way around this?

durron597

Well, what I really want to do is figure out what to say in scrum

Jimmy Hoffa

@durron597 drink 10ml of ippecac beforehand and you'll have nothing to worry about then. Problem solved.

durron597

I also hate saying stuff like "i'm working on it, no updates now" because that was my default thing I used to say in my old job except it was code for "i spent all day on stack exchange"

Ampt

@durron597 repeat after me: I found the potential problem code causing the lack of data recording. I don't currently have an estimate for a fix, but am going to work on it today. I also have concerns that lack of repeatable testing may become a blocker when I code the change.

user55340

@FizzledOut MazeBlock has state. It should be responsible for replicating its state. Having the subclasses responsible for this means that they now have to change each time the description of the abstract class state changes.

durron597

3:44 AM

@Ampt that is good, i like that

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt repeat after me: Blabble fab. Fabble burble gerbble blab. Fablooble blar grabble fub.

durron597

^^^ Helping.

Ampt

Not sure if you're aware of this, but standups have 3 questions you should answer: What you did yesterday, what you plan on doing today, and what blockers/potential blockers do you have

if you have a go at answering those 3, you have a good standup report 99% of the time.

durron597

it's stupid, we're not doing standups by person any more, we're doing them by JIRA case now

Ampt

@durron597 that is rather stupid.

Jimmy Hoffa

3:46 AM

@Ampt you have it completely backwards. They have 3 questions you should never answer, because in succesfully completing every standup with an assured zero value contribution you can certainly achieve complete process failure (with a bit of practice and expertise anyway), followed by no more scrum.

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa blah blah blah do you have fallout?

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt also, given the onsultant mantra you just shared, I can only presume you're going to invoice @durron597 for that

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa already in the mail.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt too rich for my blood; it's not multiplayer is it? Multiplayer bethesda game, yeah right...

Ampt

nope - another single player

really fun

durron597

3:47 AM

lego people can't pay invoices. and certainly not to socks

Ampt

I'm enjoying it thuroughly

user55340

@Ampt you know when shog gets that invoice he's going to laugh and choke on his sandwich that he's not giving Jimmy.

durron597

@Ampt please compare to fallout 3

Jimmy Hoffa

@durron597 much less 2d

Ampt

@durron597 far better mechanics - shooting is awesome, a whole new element with power armor and customizable weapons

user55340

3:48 AM

@durron597 have you ever stepped on a lego person while wearing a sock? It is not a fun experience I tell you.

Ampt

the storyline is good if not a tad shallow

quests are fun and environments are as immsersive, if not more than fallout 3

durron597

i thought the skill system and the weapons system were both pretty stupid in fallout 3

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt I'm sure I'll nab it when it pops down around $15 - really steam kicks this stuff out at prices like that after only 6 months or so anymore... Not like it's suddenly going to be boring. I picked up Skyrim like that, and that game was awesome

Ampt

@durron597 new weapons system is awesome, and skills are a lot simpler

in that there aren't skills

durron597

if you have a skill related to a puzzle mechanic, improving the skill should make the puzzle easier, not unlock whether or not you are allowed to even attempt the puzzle

Ampt

3:49 AM

every level, you get to spend a point on a perk, that lets you do stuff

durron597

like lockpicking in skyrim

Ampt

errr that's actually the same

but you don't have to pick 10230129 locks to level up lock picking

FizzledOut

Wasn't the lockpicking thing a hallmark of Oblivion, not Skyrim? Or am I forgetting things?

Jimmy Hoffa

...meanwhile I'm replaying mass effect 1 as of recent.

durron597

if you didn't have 100 hacking in fallout 3 you couldn't hack very hard computers.

Ampt

3:50 AM

you shoot a few mutants, spend the perk on lockpicking and can do expert locks now

durron597

@JimmyHoffa ughhhhh i hope you like driving around a stupid car

Ampt

yeah, there's no grind, you just spend a level perk on it

Jimmy Hoffa

@durron597 I mean, I've never driven a smart car?

Ampt

I mean there is a little grind for getting levels, but it's not bad, because you can do whatever you want to get that level

I'm only level 25 and can pick master locks

and I spend 90% of my time shooting shit in power armor

durron597

@Ampt that sounds a lot closer to skyrim

Ampt

3:51 AM

@durron597 yeah, but you don't need prereqs to get skills

you just have to have the minimum level, plus the minimum attribute for that skill

lockpicking is agility 4 or 5

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt this is a fairly large departure from the whole of bethesda's typical system... (quarters on the sneak button and go to sleep FTW).

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa yeah, and thank goodness for that

durron597

there was also a really stupid mechanic in fallout 3 where you basically had to have intelligence 10 in order to be able not suck at everything

Jimmy Hoffa

that's like if BioWare didn't base a games system on D&D

Ampt

@durron597 nah, that's not here either - oh and you also can spend perks on getting base attributes up

so if you want int 10, you don't have to dump everything else

just spend a few levels on int instead

FizzledOut

3:52 AM

@MichaelT I figured it out by using a protected constructor

durron597

for those in the room who didn't play fallout 3, your int affected your skill points you got every level

and skill points mattered way, way more than anything else

so if you had, say, a low strength, you'd suck at the big guns skill, unless you put skill points into big guns

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt sounds almost too easy? Seem like you'll become OP fast?

Also, how's the difficulty scaling?

durron597

and you got enough points from having high INT to make up for whatever attribute you decided to dump

anyway, i've been ignoring my girlfriend with work, football, and this chatroom for far too long today. going to pay attention to her now. laterz. thanks for the advice all!

Jimmy Hoffa

@durron597 burn in the pits of a thousand fire dung beetles!

Ampt

no prob! have a good one

FizzledOut

3:56 AM

See you later.

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa no, there are a ton of perks to choose from - so you always have like 8 things you want to tech into and only one perk to spend

AFAIK the enemies scale with you - ala oblivion and skyrim

I'm just playing on normal, and have a few points where I've died, but nothing where i've had to run away

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt yes but, ala Skryim or oblivion? One was awful, the other was well done.

Ampt

ummmm skyrim I guess - I didn't notice a ton of difference between the two?

Jimmy Hoffa

In oblivion they scaled vastly more equally so there really was no sense of getting stronger; it always took the same amount of hits to kill the mobs from level 1 to 1000

Ampt

as you level up, you face harder enemies too - you rarely run into enemies that are going to one hit you, but there is a solid variety in enemy strength

they have legendary enemies that drop named loot too

they are harder to kill

Jimmy Hoffa

3:59 AM

ok; yeah the variety is key

Ampt

oh, yeah, its definitely better than that

forgot about that- you're totally right

Jimmy Hoffa

meanwhile, I wonder if my shitty laptop could play Besiege..

ahh all the physics are going to make this thing cry, whatever though

Ampt

do it anway :D

which gfx card do you have again?

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt in this laptop it's a... Radeon 7670M...

it works vaguely. My desktop never struggles on anything that I've tried (yet) and the G-Sync makes everything so smooth

Ampt

oh yeah, you lost your desktop to the wife

sucker

FizzledOut

4:04 AM

@MichaelT I've got another specific issue, if you don't mind. Each item has a float drawing depth to determine the order in which items are drawn. All of these are subclasses of MazeBlock. The issue is that the assignments appear arbitrary until you see every block and can compare the drawing order for everything. I definitely can't use enums because it's extensible by nature. Do you (or anybody else) have any ideas?

Jimmy Hoffa

meh. @Ampt did you pick up Besiege on sale?

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa I've had it for a while

it's a lot of fun

Jimmy Hoffa

ah

Ampt

but some stuff is really hard to do

Jimmy Hoffa

Yeah it was $5 the other day so I grabbed it

Ampt

4:05 AM

solid

user55340

@FizzledOut dunno enough about the problem. A 0th guess would be "keep the blocks sorted" rather than using a float that seems arbitrary. 1 is always first. 2 is always second.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt I just wish I could create large pieces and save and reload them so I could load up like 2 or 3 of them

rather than the whole thing

Ampt

ummmm you can?

oh

yeah, that makes sense

modularity

Jimmy Hoffa

takes so long to put together a big braced piece which I'm going to need 2 or 3 of often times etc

@Ampt you try any of the "steam community" ones?

user55340

amazon.com/Death-March-Edition-Yourdon-Series/dp/0133767094

Jimmy Hoffa

4:08 AM

> In a pinch, you can open up the BSG file in a text editor and edit the block's position. I have only done this with the source block, which is always the first one.

user55340

A 3rd edition is pre-order?

Jimmy Hoffa

uh-oh, apparently the .bsg file is text editable? Ah hell.

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa everything is text editable if you're brave enough.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt well, many things aren't completely in the ascii set though..

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa but with a clever enough editor you can interpret everything into the ascii set!

AncientSwordRage

8:41 AM

Morning all.

Any yeoman pros?

Zak

11:40 AM

If any of the regulars are around, we're having a debate about your site's scope over in the 2nd Monitor and would love your input

Lightness Races in Orbit

11:56 AM

in The 2nd Monitor, 19 mins ago, by Mast

I think there was a joke going around stating even Programmers didn't know what Programmers' scope was.

in The 2nd Monitor, 19 mins ago, by SuperBiasedMan

I don't think that was a joke.

lol sounds about right

Lightness Races in Orbit

12:39 PM

perhaps we should consider renaming the site

enderland

1:05 PM

@JimmyHoffa I am assuming, perhaps naively, that anyone who cares enough to ask about this sort of thing is probably not the type of person who would be... that type of person

Lightness Races in Orbit

lol

Thomas Owens

@Zak Why is someone else debating our site's scope

I'll debate your site's scope.

Zak

@ThomasOwens Because it's a mystery that none of us have been able to solve yet.

Jimmy Hoffa

1:38 PM

Happy Coffee Day

@Zak I blame the name. It's a trivia site exclusively about Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory. I know it doesn't really come across unless you understand the intricacies of the place...

Thomas Owens

I bought more coffee for the apartment yesterday.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens you probably bought folgers or something due to the significant quality of their procedural standards and consistent qualitative production indices

bloody engineers..

the heck; why was this migrated to SO from us?

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Q: Sorting an array based on another array's order, quickly

There are two arrays of maps. The first array contains maps of ID values in a specific order (but not necessarily either pure ASC or DESC ordering): // pseudo code first := [ {"id": 1}, {"id": 2}, {"id": 3} ] ...and an unsorted array of data with corresponding ID values, but not ...

algorithm optimization go

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa Ask @MichaelT and @GlenH7. 3 users voted to migrate.

And I'm already judging them. They should know better.

Jimmy Hoffa

1:54 PM

@MichaelT @GlenH7 ??? It was a good question about an algorithm that was language agnostic. It wasn't a specific technical problem/question (SO) about a language (SO), but about the design (P.SE) of an algorithm (P.SE) without demanding a specific language (P.SE). And it was good - we want to keep the good. We throw enough trash away, why would you want to get rid of something that's decent here??

so in short, @RobertHarvey give it back.

It's one thing when we close endless questions around the site simply because they aren't of the very high quality standards we hold, but dupe-shitting things we can't figure a clear close reason for or just migrating away things that are actually good all in the name of executing moderation activity for cleanliness is going to make the site barren. Remember we only get 35 Q's a day, picking and choosing is important but pick and choose the Qs, not what moderation tool to scrub each away..

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