Root Access

i have micromax canvas A1 and i want to do reverse tethering from my pc to my this device , but iam unable to do so . i have tried it so many times but the process stops after accepting superuser rights .

Michael Frank

@allquixotic did you do the needful ?

Journeyman Geek

3:28 AM

Reverse teathering seems on topic

but that's a little thin on details

Michael Frank

Pretty sure he's trying to tether a piece of paper to his pc though. Dunno if paper is on topic.

qasdfdsaq

It interfaces with his PC, that's the criteria

HackToHell

Lauching bf3 opens a shitty webpage in my browser

I'm supposed to launch the game from shitty webpage -_- ?

qasdfdsaq

@HackToHell Yes

Michael Frank

3:52 AM

@HackToHell It was a cool concept. But so so sooooo slow.

You could manage loadouts and your soldiers without needing to actually enter the game.

Ramhound

There a way to get my rencent pings that happened in this chat? Want to get back with somebody that asked me a question I think it was monday

Figured it out

@NateKerkhofs The MCT was updated today it's 1511 again

bwDraco

4:12 AM

Was thinking about this: we've come to a point where storage performance is advancing so fast that the interfaces over which the drives communicate cannot keep up.

pcworld.com/article/2921412/…

...not to mention that even modern high-performance CPUs are becoming a bottleneck when SSDs can handle multiple gigabytes of sequential I/Os a second and hundreds of thousands of IOPS.

Now what?

For some two decades, typical workloads on consumer computer systems have been I/O bound. They're now becoming compute-bound, and the industry has not been able to keep up.

With even faster non-volatile memory technologies like 3D XPoint on the horizon, we're fast approaching a point where we have too much storage performance and not enough compute to fully utilize it.

> Storage so fast, only the highest-end PCs can keep up

pcworld.com/article/2904340/…

Too much storage performance, not enough compute. Now what?

qasdfdsaq

4:34 AM

We have plenty of compute. Modern CPUs are limited by memory not being fast enough, let alone storage.

We have too much compute and even interfaces like quad-channel DDR4 are too slow to feed them.

HackToHell

@MichaelFrank That sorta makes sense, but yeah too slow

bwDraco

The big issue is storage latency. NVMe addresses the latency issue but you'd be hard-pressed to find any consumer workload that will saturate the Intel SSD 750 even on a fast CPU.

qasdfdsaq

Actually most high-end enterprise workloads are storage and memory bottlenecked.

Seeing as the Intel 750 is an enterprise SSD.

That's no different to saying there aren't many enterprise workloads that'll saturate a Geforce GTX 980. Well duh.

HackToHell

lol twitter.com/JealousElonMusk

oldmud0

4:50 AM

what's ironic, is how terribly fast our computers are but even then our tablets still rely on cloud computing for all the number crunching and still suck at 3D rendering

Journeyman Geek

3d rendering's the only really hard problem for consumer systems IMO

oldmud0

and now they want to stream THAT too... @_@

bwDraco

@oldmud0 Can concur, I've been spending more and more time using a Linode VPS as a cloud desktop through VNC on my Nexus 9

Will be AFK for 20 minutes or so, see ya in a bit.

Journeyman Geek

and for 90% of things we don't need all that much power.

oldmud0

I ran my computer through windows performance recorder yesterday. verdict: kaspersky is murdering my boot times again

bwDraco

4:53 AM

@JourneymanGeek This is why low-power CPUs (ARM, Core m, Atom, etc.) are all the rage these days.

oldmud0

maybe I should get an SSD, the prices are starting to get stable

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco and that's why we don't actually have any real major bottlenecks for most users.

bwDraco

Battery life and compactness matter more than raw compute these days.

oldmud0

the price for a 120GB SSD has halved since a few years ago

Journeyman Geek

@oldmud0: I'd go 250/256 personally

oldmud0

4:55 AM

heck they are even starting to sell 1 TB SSDs

finally finished replacing all the drives on my ancient 2003 server

stupid openmanage won't let me do an online expansion though

also added a hotswap for safe measure

Anyone seen a flash drive thinner than this? i.imgur.com/DA4fR10.jpg

I got it after my friend gave it to me saying that it didn't work because he got some pancake mix on the leads. Needless to say, I got it to work.

@JourneymanGeek your IT support bot is missing a feature. It needs to install Adobe Reader.

bwDraco

5:12 AM

@oldmud0 Consumer SSDs have hit 2 TB. 4 TB drives are on the market for enterprise applications and will be available soon for the consumer market.

oldmud0

:o

@bwDraco are they intended to be put in a RAID config?

allquixotic

the price per GB at 4 TB is still insane... for now

bwDraco

At this point, SSDs have already exceeded the storage density of conventional hard drives.

oldmud0

I am so disappointed that the 3.5mm jack on the ti84 plus CE was removed. It takes out a lot of applications that require analog like audio.

I don't think TI is enforcing code signing on apps yet though.

bwDraco

I kinda wish there were more competitors on the graphing calculator market. I have an HP Prime and it's simply incredible.

TI has the market cornered.

oldmud0

5:18 AM

yeah....

If Casio could just make a cheap knockoff of the TI-84 and sell it for half the price, it would really help the market

Those calculators aren't even worth $100 anymore, nowadays it's just $35 worth of parts, labor, and software.

bwDraco

At least my local Best Buy stocks the Prime. It's still rather buggy, though. For example, it's prone to soft-bricking during firmware updates because the update process has a tendency to fail while in progress.

oldmud0

Hah, sounds like my router before I installed dd-wrt on it.

Journeyman Geek

150 usd buys you a 10 inch screen and a celeron processor....

So yeah, 35usd or less.

oldmud0

ti still makes more money off the 84 than their flagship SOCs

defragging my computer is hopeless. Defraggler was stuck at 1% for 3 hours..

bwDraco

Back to the compute discussion, there's something I find rather ironic these days.

Throughout the 1970s and up until the late 1980s, much computing was done on big centralized computer systems, and thin clients were the norm.

Back then, it was because computers were very expensive and it was best to have people share one big machine rather than to have each person have their own computer to work on.

oldmud0

5:28 AM

and then computers got cheap, and VGA came around, right..?

Journeyman Geek

The PC came around

bwDraco

Then as the personal computing revolution took fold, prices had come down and individuals could afford their own computer systems.

Journeyman Geek

Even then tho, there were systems for specialised, high power user

bwDraco

Today, we're slowing moving back towards the centralized computing model.

The reasons, however, are slightly different.

oldmud0

every time I think of VGA, I think of this obscure video: youtube.com/watch?v=UsvCI7dOZ50 (some language)

bwDraco

5:30 AM

The modern computer user demands mobility and access everywhere, and modern computer systems are powerful enough to enable productivity on even compact, lightweight, and low-power devices.

With advances in computer technology, ubiquitous Internet access, and the demands of the modern economy, the economies of scale and performance potential of high-powered servers shared amongst many users are becoming evident once again.

Chromebooks were (and often still are) little more than Internet thin clients.

oldmud0

@bwDraco that's what they are and have always been

at least they have good battery life, but no caps key

and you can't play minecraft on it

bwDraco

The more I play with my Linode cloud desktop, the more it grows on me.

(I have one Linode instance that runs my website and another that serves as my Linux cloud desktop.)

I'm finding myself on my big-and-heavy gaming laptop less and less.

With a tablet, a Bluetooth keyboard (perhaps integrated into a case), and (optionally) a Bluetooth mouse, you can be productive pretty much anywhere. Add a mobile broadband service (or even tether from your smartphone) and you may never need a laptop again.

Can't say this will work for everyone, but it's a reality with today's technology.

oldmud0

isn't that the apple philosophy?

bwDraco

5:48 AM

Example: Karma gives you an unlimited 5 Mbps LTE mobile broadband solution for $50 a month.

As technology improves, prices will continue to drop and speeds will go up.

When you tie it all together, it's becoming evident that working almost entirely in the cloud with lightweight, low-power computing equipment is becoming a reality.

yieldthought.com/post/12239282034/…

oldmud0

you definitely sound like an apple person

bwDraco

I'm not really an Apple guy. I don't like their closed systems.

I'm really more a Google fan.

oldmud0

elgoog?

they're a decent compromise between the walled-garden simplistic nature of apple and the demands of the power users to have control over everything

android still isn't an OS for power users, although it does have adb for Windows and allows installing APKs from a file (both big pluses compared to iOS)

Journeyman Geek

lol

@oldmud0 in a lot of cases, my little 11 inch netbook is my go to system.

Granted, given a choice I favour my desktop

oldmud0

In the news, yet another piece of research conducted by none other than someone at MIT. God I wish I could go study there and do something great.

bwDraco

6:02 AM

My laptop serves as my main workstation whenever I need to do anything serious, but I'm just not pulling out my laptop anywhere near as much any more. My busy schedule as a grad student has put me on my Nexus 9 more often than not.

I just love the whole idea of running your own server in the cloud and being able to work from anywhere.

oldmud0

Sure, if you have money to spare.

bwDraco

$20 a month gets you a dual-core cloud server with 2 GB of memory and 48GB of storage, running the Linux distro of your choice.

oldmud0

well, off to bed, good night

bwDraco

Good night to you too.

Leathe

you could get a kimsufi server :P

20 euros gets you a 4 core, 16GB RAM, 2 TB storage

bwDraco

6:10 AM

Latency. I need a server that's near me.

Linode's closest datacenter is in Newark, NJ, close enough that the latency is generally very low.

Journeyman Geek

online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-xc I run one of these

allquixotic

@bwDraco you can get a lot more than that in Amazon's Virginia datacenter if you go spot instance :P

bwDraco

I'd rather not have a server that's in Europe as the 100+ ms latency is not acceptable for usage as a cloud desktop.

The ping needs to be less than 50 ms for my applications.

Around here on my rather slow cable Internet connection, ping to my server hovers around 35-40ms.

(It's a bit better on the much faster campus Wi-Fi, where it is closer to 25 ms.)

...and I'd prefer the simple pricing model that Linode has, as well as the fact that they've been in the business for more than 12 years.

Journeyman Geek

7:36 AM

tech.slashdot.org/story/15/11/25/049259/…

(I got a notification when that happened actually)

Not great behaviour tho

Boris_yo

8:28 AM

I am wary of these things...

Kmart pops up window to sign-in and I don't see HTTPS in URL.

And what is shld.net anyway? Should I report security risk?

Bob

@Boris_yo dslreports.com/forum/…

Boris_yo

8:47 AM

@Bob Interesting. Thanks.

Bob

@Boris_yo What site did you encounter that on?

Might be related to Sears.

DavidPostill

@Bob, presumably Kmart ;) From the link you posted "Sears Holdings company operates 3,900 retail locations under the mastheads of Sears, Sears Grand, Sears Essentials, Sears Hardware, Kmart, Big Kmart, Super Kmart, The Great Indoors, Orchard Supply Hardware, and Lands' End stores."

Bob

@DavidPostill ...I didn't see his message mentioning Kmart :S

Journeyman Geek

26 mins ago, by Boris_yo

Kmart pops up window to sign-in and I don't see HTTPS in URL.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I mean, I didn't see it the first time round. Saw it after David mentioned it.

Journeyman Geek

8:58 AM

ahh ;p

Oliver Salzburg

Outlook shows an unread email in a folder, but there isn't one in it. When I right-click the folder and select "Mark folder read" it still shows an unread email

!!urgetokillrising

ChatBot John Cavil

@OliverSalzburg That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

Oliver Salzburg

@ChatBotJohnCavil It made sense to me!

DavidPostill

@Oliver

11

Q: Outlook sometimes marks folder with one unread message

In an Outlook folder, sometimes even though I marked all messages as read, the folder list shows "1", as if there's an unread message. Note: This is Outlook connected to a corporate Exchange server.

microsoft-outlook microsoft-outlook-2013

@OliverSalzburg I remember fixing it by toggling online/offline mode and resyncing

Journeyman Geek

9:19 AM

lol

→ 3 messages moved to Trashcan

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Well that was completely unecessary :P

Journeyman Geek

>_>

Oliver Salzburg

@DavidPostill That didn't work. I now have an empty folder with unread messages

Re-open and toggling offline has no effect

Woah! Now it works

Had to click the "Show elements stored on the Exchange server" or whatever the link says in English

Thanks @DavidPostill :)

Bob

9:37 AM

Hm. Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes looks like a fun game.

Journeyman Geek

9:53 AM

hm, this is a super wierd failure mode.

(The old monitor works fine if I don't run it too long at a stretch. Almost feels like overheating)

Nate Kerkhofs

10:58 AM

@Ramhound Thanks for the information about the MCT tool. I'm going to hold off on trying it again until January

Bob

11:43 AM

Journeyman Geek

12:31 PM

lol

Tom Wijsman

1:08 PM

@NateKerkhofs Why would you wait until January?

Tom Wijsman

1:23 PM

@NateKerkhofs Okay, found the conversation. Both the MCT and Tech Bench are hosting 1511 November again, no need to wait.

Journeyman Geek

I do wonder what's MS's beef with speccy.

(If you have speccy when 1511 is installed, it gets removed)

Tom Wijsman

Most of it is available in msinfo32 and/or systeminfo.

Probably not the reason it is pulled, though. Might have something to do with the way they call some API or the way they have some file installed.

Might have to do with Microsoft's guidelines or so.

It's not like they're going to uninstall it by accident when it shows no error at all.

Tristan Wiley

2:25 PM

@JourneymanGeek wait, what did I say?

Journeyman Geek

@TristanWiley mods and room owners can see deleted messages ;p

And that question you totally didn't ask might be suited for the new hardware recs stackexchange ;p

Tristan Wiley

Haha naw, I was just bored and wanted to see clippy xD

Journeyman Geek

oh ;p

Dave

Well how's it going nerd friends? Things have been quite busy around here lately.

Ive been teaching developers how to properly use their fingers in their code which requires more than 1 finger (pointer finger pressing f5) to make something run faster.

Gotta love SQL

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Oh, they gave you a cattle prod?

Dave

2:37 PM

They'll email me.. "OH this process is taking 30 minutes to run and its going slowww, _must_be_missing_indexes".. and ill spend 3 minutes fixing the code.. and reply with "Look it runs in less than 1 seconds now"

We're working on doing this huge database platform upgrade for an application that hasnt been updated > 10 years. And they're stomped and dont understand why their old queries take a lot longer to run because the model structure of the database is entirely different.'

Meanwhile, I'm doing their work for them.

Nate Kerkhofs

@TomWijsman The reason I'm waiting for January is twofold: 1. I want to see if I can get another attempt via Update; 2. i'm on holiday from December 8th and I don't want to cause any undue stress before that. If something goes wrong and I have to start over for some reason, I don't want to rush it

Journeyman Geek

@Dave caaaaatle prod!

Dave

2:53 PM

@JourneymanGeek: Exactly!

@OliverSalzburg: Im interested in a keybase.io invite.

Bob

Yay I have a mumble server now

Dave

3:14 PM

Had one for yeeeeears love it

@Bob: most stable provider would be aws / ec2 amazon

@Bob: Free for a year buddy

aws.amazon.com/free

Bob

@Dave I paid $10 for 6 months.

Was looking for something local and hassle free.

I have a bunch of servers in the US, but latency is crazy.

Dave

;P

I paid 5 cents for 1 year with free tier overage's

@Bob: havent had but 1 outage.. and consistant 15ms ping on US East.

Bob

@Dave Then after that year? You pay more in the long run, IIRC :P

(I think I've already used up my free allocation waaaay back)

Dave

hah

I love mumble.

Well hopefully your provider is good. Whos your host?

I may consider

:P

Bob

It's working decently well. I just wish I could directly bind one of my mouse buttons for PTT.

@Dave Streamline-servers. But it's obviously more restrictive than running on your own server.

Dave

3:19 PM

ah, im all about dedicated hosting.. I prefer installing it myself then having some custom interface for it. Although with DBUS/ ICE i could probably build my own interface

Bob

@Dave I do that for most things, but a dedi (or even a VPS) here just costs too much.

For less latency-sensitive tasks I do run on US servers

Dave

neato

If you're looking for cheap unmetered hosting ever check out fdc servers... They're not the most reliable but unmetered 100mbit/1000mbit = cheeapo

KDecker

@Dave What do you mean by unmetered, same idea as a data cap?

Dave

sounds like you're into running your services online everywhere.. figured id throw that out there if you were ever considering rtmp / hls.. etc.

@KDecker, you can consume as much data as you want without restrictions.

Metered would be.. you buy 1TB a month for $x.yz. Unmetered meaning you buy infiniteTB for $x.yz.

;)

Bob

@Dave I've got one with OVH already. And another (that was supposed to be decommissioned months ago...) with Wholesale-Internet

Dave

3:26 PM

ah

KDecker

You buy 1TB *At 1Mbps versus you buy InfTB *at 1Mbps?

Bob

@Dave The problem for me isn't throughput. Nor server power. I've got plenty of that to spare.

But latency to the US is 200-300ms from here.

Dave

@KDecker exactly

KDecker

Add

Bob

Doesn't work at all for most game servers, and doesn't work well for voice.

KDecker

3:27 PM

Ahh*

Boris_yo

Causes of computer rage:

I am SURPRISED there are no video games mentioned!

Where's angry German kid?!

Collusion... of course. There's a good money made in gaming industry.

KDecker

lol

Dave

@Boris_yo: I dont see 'trolling' in there too lol.

HackToHell

4:20 PM

An issue with your computer is blocking the VAC system. You cannot play on secure servers.

Is driving me nuts

I don't even have process hacker running

Y U DO THIS STEAM

Tom Wijsman

4:32 PM

@HackToHell: Sometimes it happens because of connection issues or overcapacity, doesn't have to be your computer.

@NateKerkhofs Just make sure you don't accidentally get the update on holiday.

Always fun when they make it mandatory for a moment by accident, seen it happen before.

Dave

5:03 PM

-1

Q: Track screen timeouts

I would like to build a script to send an email (or write to a network share .csv) everytime a computer goes to sleep after 15 minutes of inactivity (Screen saver). The goal is to track which employees are not locking their screens when leaving their desk for meetings or lunch. This would be de...

windows-7 mac security lock-screen

The first time i've ever helped anybody on SU. I should be commended for this..

Proud of me? yes better be.

that should get me up to 43 rep points now.

Blazing.

DavidPostill

@Dave What about Mac? "This would be deployed for a mixed Mac/PC environment." ;)

Dave

Let me change one second.. Ill state 'pc'

fixed.

HackToHell

@TomWijsman Oh okay

DavidPostill

@dave You could also add that an Event can be used to trigger a task in the Windows Task Scheduler. The triggered task can then be a batch file which sends an email or write to the csv file ... then at least it is more like half an answer instead of a few hints (which looks more like a comment than an answer) ;)

I suspect the question is on the way to being closed as "too broad" in any case ...

Dave

5:20 PM

interesting, i never knew u could create a task in task scheduler to be event driven based off of a lock screen event.

they call it 'triggered' events. :-)

neato

looks like any event as well actually using the on event task trigger type

i hate windows /wrist

DavidPostill

@Dave Now you know. Your chance to make a really good answer for a question that will be closed :/

qasdfdsaq

@DavidPostill Your face is too broad

Nate Kerkhofs

5:36 PM

@TomWijsman My laptop I'm taking has already been patched, and I likely won't have internet on the apartment anyway

Dave

I think his face is just fine!

DavidPostill

@qasdfdsaq Really? I actually have a narrow face/head.

qasdfdsaq

@DavidPostill True dat

Nate Kerkhofs

I can hardly wait for 7 PM tomorrow

Steam Autumn sale

Although I've basically already spent this month's allowance on games

allquixotic

hii

Dave

5:39 PM

oh god, look who just came in.

DavidPostill

@qasdfdsaq What you been smoking today? ;)

Dave

freeking @allquixotic... day just got bad. IM KIDDING!!!

Leathe

@NateKerkhofs "and will end on December 1st at 10am PT."

fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuu

I won't get any money before the 3rd :E

every damn time

qasdfdsaq

Credit cards ftw

Leathe

ooh no. not when you're a student :P

qasdfdsaq

5:41 PM

I got a 3K credit card when I was a student

Had to live off it for a year

Leathe

I have no steady income at all

or well, any income really for that matter

qasdfdsaq

I had a student loan, that's about it

Leathe

yeah, i have student loan as well

suffice to say, I had a credit card. I don't have any more :P

qasdfdsaq

I was glad I had one when I had to live off it for a year

Nate Kerkhofs

6:21 PM

Okay, so apparently the Steam sale starts today

Nate Kerkhofs

6:32 PM

FUCK! My Steam wishlist just emptied itself

both in the client and on the website

Michael Frank

7:49 PM

I use my wishlist all the time

@NateKerkhofs That sucks. :(

Nate Kerkhofs

@MichaelFrank it fixed itself after half an hour or so

Michael Frank

Oh. Well that's good I guess!

qasdfdsaq

8:46 PM

Steam sale?

You have to buy vaporized water?

Boris_yo

10:07 PM

Is this a great deal fod SSD? bestbuy.com/site/…

allquixotic

@Boris_yo pretty good. I got one ;p

Boris_yo

@allquixotic There's guy who says it has cheap materials and it shows... That it lost him data a few times and he had to repair Windows boot...

allquixotic

meh, mine are only used as cache drives anyway :P

Bob

"a few times"?

allquixotic

no loss if they break

Bob

10:15 PM

The first time, you can blame the drive. Every time after? It's on you.

Boris_yo

Just read negative reviews and you will learn something you more likely will not reading only positives.

qasdfdsaq

10:42 PM

It's a cheap and crappy drive at a cheap and crappy price

Daniel

10:57 PM

I would go for the Samsung 850 EVO if I were you @Boris_yo. I have the 250GB model and it's a beast.

Boris_yo

@Daniel TLC... MLC is better

@qasdfdsaq Cheap yes but why crappy exactly?

qasdfdsaq

Poor performance and reliability

@Boris_yo No it isn't

Daniel

It may be better, but at what price @Boris_yo?

My 850 EVO cost me $80

and for a highschooler on a budget of $0 that's a deal.

Boris_yo

@Daniel Today? Intel 335 250GB for $80 being MLC.

qasdfdsaq

The Intel is 3 years old and worse in every way

Daniel

11:00 PM

About 4 weeks ago.

And I put it in my homebuilt PC (which is unfortunately having other issues, but otherwise it's a nice one for the price)

Boris_yo

@qasdfdsaq Worse? lol

qasdfdsaq

Yes. Worse. Just look at any review...

Boris_yo

First it's MLC, second it's one of most reliable drives.

There: amazon.com/Intel-2-5-Inch-240GB-SATA3-SSDSC2CT240A4K5/dp/…

qasdfdsaq

First, so? It's still worse. Second, it's Sandforce 2281, one of the worst controllers ever

google.co.uk/search?q=SF-2281+reliability

You're pointing at an older drive with a known unreliable controller, worse flash, worse endurance, worse speeds, worse warranty.

Buying one today is utterly nonsensical

Daniel

I agree with @qasdfdsaq

qasdfdsaq

11:12 PM

So do I

Boris_yo

@qasdfdsaq What drive should I buy to ensure reliability? That's the only thing I need.

qasdfdsaq

No drive is absolutely reliable. In the consumer space, the Samsung 850's are theoretically the most reliable you can get right now.

Boris_yo

Or drive with what controller should I look for?

qasdfdsaq

Nothing in the current generation of high-end drives is particularly bad, but bear in mind Samsung are the only people with fully vertically integrated SSDs with the controller purpose built specifically for the NAND and vice versa.

(Although I think some past Intel ones were too, I'm not sure if their current ones use in-house controllers)

Intel's PCIe ones do, but they're also v. expensive

Boris_yo

@qasdfdsaq How about this one? microcenter.com/product/451750/…

qasdfdsaq

11:20 PM

Dunno about the 535 but the 525 and 530 both use the same old Sandforce controller

Personally I'd say buying 3-year-old drives on clearance sales isn't the way to go but if you insist on older stuff the Samsung 830 has been tested to be the most reliable SSD ever.

Within the limited set of SSDs that were tested

Journeyman Geek

11:43 PM

@Boris_yo no drives live forever tho reliability is getting better.

qasdfdsaq

!!s/better/worse/

ChatBot John Cavil

@qasdfdsaq @Boris_yo no drives live forever tho reliability is getting worse. (source)

qasdfdsaq

Strictly speaking, controllers are getting better. NAND itself (aside from V-NAND) is getting worse

Each generation and die shrink worsens reliability. Hence why they stalled at about 1x nm and went V-NAND instead. They couldn't shrink it any further while still maintaining acceptable endurance.

Boris_yo

@qasdfdsaq What do you think of Crucial BX and MX?

qasdfdsaq

They're entry-level

Boris_yo

11:54 PM

Seems like EVOs are reporting as counterfeits. Some hit market: amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R2WWWQW8C5GLCR/…

qasdfdsaq

They're what you'd go for if you wanted cheap without being crappy.

Boris_yo

Amazon ceased sales...

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