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Daniel

6:44 PM

@msh210 It changes who אביך is pointing to? Who would you say it's referring to in the version that the person chanted?

msh210

7:19 PM

@Daniel Hashem.

Isaac Moses

@msh210 Is there an update from this morning? :)

Daniel

@msh210 I'm not an expert on how trope works with Hebrew grammar, but singing those words in my head with the trope that you mentioned still sounds to me like אביך is referring to Avraham

(really it kind of sounds nonsensical to me but if I had to name who it was referring to, I'd say Avraham)

Someone asked this morning about Jewish response to accepting refugees (I think the question was deleted)

the OU issued a statement

advocacy.ou.org/2015/…

msh210

7:38 PM

@IsaacMoses I spoke to the baal k'ria before today, but was at a different minyan today so don't know what he did (or, in fact, whether he read, though I assume so).

@Daniel What happened in Paris this week? More attacks? Did I miss some news? :-(

Daniel

@msh210 A Chabad teacher was stabbed

msh210

@Daniel Oy. :-( Is he/she alive?

Daniel

@msh210 Although I assume that by the attacks "this week" they are actually referring to the attacks last week

msh210

@Daniel Could be.

Daniel

@msh210 Last I heard they were asking for people to pray for him

but I don't know any more details

msh210

7:43 PM

@Daniel Hashem should give him a r'fua sh'lema b'soch sh'ar chole Yisrael.

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Isaac Moses

@msh210 Amen

Daniel

@msh210 Amen

ToA says he's in serious but stable condition

msh210

@Daniel What is ToA, please? Googling didn't help me.

HodofHod

@msh210 Amen

Daniel

@msh210 Times of Israel

msh210

7:59 PM

@Daniel ... naturally. :-)

Isaac Moses

@Daniel I would have preferred for a statement from the OU to include content that would be on-topic here.

msh210

@IsaacMoses on Mi Yodeya, you mean? Yeah, when it said "The Jewish community has an important perspective on this debate.", I thought it was going to start quoting Chazal or something, but no.

Double AA

@Daniel You can't give too much credence to your ear here, bc there are numerous musical traditions for the different trop notes. When you have three words, you can divide them 1-2 or 2-1. In this case, that's the difference between "God of (Abraham your father)" and "(God of Abaraham) your father". All I did there was change the punctuation on the string "God of Abraham your father". (Trop-wise here, Pashta is the lower level pause that splits the whole Zakef group.)

Try singing it in your head with Merkha-Tipcha-Silluk vs Tipcha-Merkha-Silluk and see if you don't hear the difference.

msh210

(Where the parentheses are as in math or computer programming, not as in English.)

Double AA

@msh210 Yes. What's English?

msh210

8:11 PM

@DoubleAA Spin. What's a pocket?

Isaac Moses

@msh210 *** - READ: comma is illegal outside of backquote

msh210

@IsaacMoses Thtop thaying thuch thingth.

Isaac Moses

@msh210 8^P Well done.

HodofHod

@IsaacMoses Q: Does Dina D'malchusa forbid me from using commas outside of backquotes?

msh210

@msh210 (Sorry, I regressed there for a moment to a game of Govende.)

Daniel

8:16 PM

@DoubleAA Yeah, I see what you're saying

Isaac Moses

@msh210 (Tried (I execute (Online_Lisp_Interpreter message (yours))))

@HodofHod 111 days until PTIJ season

Daniel

@msh210 I am a professional computer programmer but somehow I still have no comprehension of anything starting with this comment until now

msh210

@IsaacMoses Oh, is that how Lisp works? function(arg1 arg2)? I thought it was (function arg1 arg2). Not that I ever learned any Lisp.

Isaac Moses

@Daniel How many things have you encountered that start with this comment?

msh210

@Daniel Not even

3 mins ago, by Daniel

@DoubleAA Yeah, I see what you're saying

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Isaac Moses

8:19 PM

@msh210 I could be wrong. It's been a while since I played around with it.

Daniel

@msh210 You're right

@msh210 Ok, I understood that one

@IsaacMoses Aha now that I see that this is a lisp error I understand

I guess it's really been a looooong time since I've touched lisp

Isaac Moses

@Daniel I'll bet you and I are not the only programmers who can say that. :)

Daniel

@IsaacMoses Little known fact: the lisp programming language is older than C

msh210

Timeline of programming languages

This is a record of historically important programming languages, by decade. Legend ( Entry ) means a non-universal programming language * means a unique language (no direct predecessor) == Pre-1950Edit == == 1950sEdit == == 1960sEdit == == 1970sEdit == == 1980sEdit == == 1990sEdit == == 2000sEdit == == 2010sEdit == == See alsoEdit == Programming language Timeline of computing History of computing hardware == ReferencesEdit == == External linksEdit == Online encyclopedia for the history of programming languages Diagram & history of programming languages Eric Levenez's ...

Isaac Moses

@msh210 Looks like Fortran's the first of those I'd heard of.

... other than Klammerausdrücke, of course.

msh210

8:31 PM

@IsaacMoses Me, too.

Daniel

@IsaacMoses Considering most of the languages listed before Fortran have red links, it seems like they aren't particularly well-known

msh210

C and SQL are the same age.

(And others.)

As are Perl and Mathematica.

Monica Cellio

@IsaacMoses I miss Lisp. I used to be proficient in it and, sadly, I let it rot.

Daniel

@MonicaCellio Nothing like a program whose final line looks like

)))]]])])))

Monica Cellio

I've just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the MIT computer science program permanently.

Daniel

8:39 PM

@MonicaCellio There is something about it that makes people nostalgic

I guess the fact that it's possible to write a moderately complex program in just a few lines

Monica Cellio

@Daniel I did my first professional work with Lisp.

Daniel

@MonicaCellio Really? I always thought of Lisp as more of an academic language. Was it in AI?

Monica Cellio

@Daniel it was. Natural-language processing.

I was also a student on the Common Lisp project when that was under development. My name is in the spec and everything. That experience turned out to be formative.

Daniel

@MonicaCellio Oh that's cool!

Monica Cellio

@Daniel cellio.livejournal.com/926002.html

msh210

8:48 PM

> Other varieties of LISP existed; this was an attempt to unify them.

Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

Monica Cellio

@msh210 indeed. (At the time I didn't know that, but I also wasn't in charge or anything. :-) )

At various times I programmed in MacLisp, FranzLisp, and Common Lisp, and the differences were just subtle enough to trip me up when switching.

msh210

@MonicaCellio That's a nice piece.

Daniel

@MonicaCellio Yeah Lisp seems to have been particularly bad about that

And even today the number of Lisp dialects seems to increase all the time

I had a professor in college who was a major part of the PLT group and they invented like 5 different versions of Scheme

Isaac Moses

@msh210 Vidu ankaŭ: la lingvo en kiu mi skribis ĉi frazo

msh210

@IsaacMoses I'm guessing that's Esperanto. No, wait, Ido. :-)

Daniel

8:53 PM

@msh210 It looks like a horrible hybrid of Russian, Spanish, and Turkish... must be Esperanto

Isaac Moses

@msh210 Bedaŭrinde, mia preferata Interreto ilo ne helpas kun la dua unu vi menciis.

msh210

@Daniel If you try to figrue out the individual words, they seem mostly Romance. But the orthography is, yes, weird. What Romance language uses 'sk' for 'sc'? (Maybe some does, I dunno.)

HodofHod

@IsaacMoses IJ?

Isaac Moses

@HodofHod purim-torah-in-jest

HodofHod

IC

Monica Cellio

9:11 PM

@msh210 thanks.

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