The Nineteenth Byte

El'endia Starman

9:00 PM

Y'know, replacing circles with diamonds (rotated squares) would be topologically the same tiling.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ riiiight

El'endia Starman

(Unless circles are not tangent to the square boundaries.)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

They are. :P

Calvin's Hobbies

@flawr Then go for my 99th challenge :D

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Q: Write an interpreter for 99

99 (pronounced "ninety-nine") is a brand new Esoteric programming language (not to be confused with 99, note the italics). Your task in this challenge is to write an interpreter for 99 that is as short as possible. The submission with the fewest bytes wins. Tiebreaker goes to the submission poste...

Optimizer

I remember attempting the 99

I was no where near double of runner's

flawr

9:03 PM

Ain't Nobody Got Time For That

Optimizer

Ain't Nobody Got Time For That

►

Calvin's Hobbies

@Optimizer Think of it this way. A non-Martin user is one step closer to surpassing Martin in something. It's us against him you know.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ watcha think?

TanMath

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ it's pacman!

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yup!

Optimizer

9:05 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies true that! more so when he's keeping @ಠ_ಠ's identity secret!

TanMath

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ you should color him yellow!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TanMath Lol it's for this challenge

tiling:

TanMath

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ pacman everywhere!

Calvin's Hobbies

Is a circle considered a neighbor of the circle above it?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Calvin'sHobbies Yes.

Calvin's Hobbies

9:08 PM

ok

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I don't think it's reducible

Anonymous

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Parrot User’s Delay keyboarddatetimecode-golf There are not enough simple code golf challenges. Wait for user to press enter. Wait for user to press enter again. Print the elapsed time between the 1. and 2. Wait an equal amount of time Print the actual elapsed time of 4. Order of 3. and 4. ...

Anonymous

^ I swear I've seen this question before, but I can't find it

Anonymous

Anyone recognize it?

Calvin's Hobbies

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ The cell between the triangles that's shaped like -> has 6 neighbors, right? Cells that share vertices count as neighbors but with the circles it's hard to tell what you mean the vertices to be.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

9:14 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies Six is correct. You are right, it is a tad confusing.

Martin Büttner

@Mego are you thinking of codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/60188/8478 ?

El'endia Starman

^ That's the one that came to mind too.

SuperJedi224

Goodbye for now

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Bye @SuperJedi224

Calvin's Hobbies

@MartinBüttner There he is... My golden nemesis.

Anonymous

9:24 PM

@MartinBüttner That would be the one, thanks

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I finally got my prefix algorithm working.

El'endia Starman

Longest common prefix?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Oh, no. As in, +ab = a + b

Like Pyth

El'endia Starman

ahh, cool

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Thanks! I'm hoping for it to be a successful JavaScript golfing lang... even though there are so many.

I call it "Jolf"

El'endia Starman

9:30 PM

...

Another one?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yeah, yeah.

El'endia Starman

Are you ever going to finish Simplex?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I had the idea a year ago when I joined this site

@El'endiaStarman I have coder's block on that.

El'endia Starman

Or will I be a pile of dry bones by then? (Baking in the sun...)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman How old are you? (don't tell me if you don't want to.)

El'endia Starman

9:31 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ 23.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

You'll be O.K.

;)

I work on Simplex everyday I can, I assure you.

Sᴄʜᴏᴏʟ's ʙᴇᴇɴ ʙɪᴛɪɴɢ ᴍᴇ ʜᴀʀᴅ ᴛʜᴏᴜɢʜ

Haha, whoops. Small caps keyboard went on.

El'endia Starman

Ah, right, school.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yeah... I try to have a social life. I even had a GF at one point!

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Don't let me finish Seriously before you finish Simplex

Anonymous

Or else it will be seriously embarrassing

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

9:33 PM

@Mego ... Seriously? What's Seriously?

El'endia Starman

His new language.

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ github.com/Mego/Seriously

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

We're all making languages XD

El'endia Starman

Inspired by the "Seriously, GolfScript, CJam, or Pyth?" challenge.

Calvin's Hobbies

Show of hands, who isn't making a new language?

Me for one

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

9:34 PM

...

TanMath

@Calvin'sHobbies me!

El'endia Starman

You have made new languages though, right? :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman Ohhh....

@TanMath Make one! (With a lot of tangent commands.)

TanMath

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ why should I?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TanMath Just for lolz.

TanMath

9:35 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ i just stick to python!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TanMath Oh. Hm. Python... which version?

TanMath

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I don't know.. I might write one in Python

Calvin's Hobbies

@El'endiaStarman Not recently. And mainly for challenges so I never actually had to implement them :P

TanMath

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I learnt 2.7 but know a little bit of python 3...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TanMath Cool! Python 3.x is best imho; I like python 3- because of the print statement. :D

TanMath

9:36 PM

You know, I have never participated in any of the challenges...I did help with setting up one of the challenges...

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ that is the worst part! (from a golfing perspective, that is)

Anonymous

@TanMath Yeah but being able to do float division with / is nice

Anonymous

It sucks having to do from __future__ import division

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

"Yes" - what, I can't choose? :P

TanMath

@Mego but you can do that in python 2.7 as well...

Anonymous

print'a' is way shorter than print('a')

Anonymous

9:38 PM

@TanMath I meant, in 2, you have to do the import, where in 3, it's the default behavior

TanMath

@Mego which is why python 3 is bad!

Anonymous

@TanMath It's nice when you need to print from a lambda though

TanMath

@Mego no... if you have 3. 0 /15 for example, then it does floating point division...

@Mego i never use lambda to be honest.. I never found the purpose of it (apart from golfing)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Python 3:
    >>> 3/15
    0.2
    >>> 3.0/15
    0.2

What's the difference?

Anonymous

Python 2
>>> 3/15
0

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

9:41 PM

o_o

Oh integer division

Anonymous

Meh forget it

Martin Büttner

@Calvin'sHobbies uhhhh

Anonymous

Who needs fixed-point fonts

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

>>> 3//15
0

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Yep, // does int division in 3

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

9:42 PM

What does it do in 2? Nothing, I presume?

Anonymous

It also does int division

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Oh. Hm. That's funny

Anonymous

// == /

Anonymous

(unless you from __future__ import division)

TanMath

@Mego you should try 3.0/15

Anonymous

9:45 PM

@TanMath That works as expected

Anonymous

Python 2's division works the same as C division

TanMath

@Mego see.. you don't need to import!

hello @MartinBüttner !

Anonymous

Int division unless one of the operands is a float, and float division otherwise

Anonymous

@TanMath You do when you're not working with literals and want to avoid doing float(a)/b

TanMath

@Mego i guess...

you win

Who starred my hello message?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

9:51 PM

^_^

TanMath

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ you, huh?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

It might not be.

Anonymous

@TanMath I would respond with the horse sax gif but I can't find it

TanMath

@Mego gud!

I hid it!

(I don't even know about this gif anyway!)

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ what are you trying to flag?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TanMath I accidentally clicked the button :P

Anonymous

9:57 PM

El'endia Starman

@Mego Where's the battery staple?!?

TanMath

@Mego longest gif in the world!

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman That's a second gif

El'endia Starman

@TanMath I've seen longer.

TanMath

@El'endiaStarman really?

El'endia Starman

9:59 PM

I can't really produce one off-hand, but I know I've seen longer gifs.

TheDoctor

@Mego um

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

JavaScript is so weird:
 > 0==" "
 true

TanMath

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ how are they in the least bit equal?!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TanMath I dunno!

And, get this: " " is truthy. And equivalent to 0.

TheDoctor

1 == "1"
true

feersum

10:02 PM

Javascript is wronger than AlexA.

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TheDoctor

^ and your grammar

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

"Nothing is wronger than Alex A."

Alex A.

@feersum Amen to that, brutha.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

alex-is-wrong javascript-is-wrong alex-is-javascript

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Alex A.

There is a continuum of wrongness. JavaScript and I do not place on the same level.

Anonymous

10:04 PM

@AlexA. Yeah we can actually get some correct answers out of JavaScript

Alex A.

ಠ_ಠ

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^^

TheDoctor

well...
'alex' == 'javascript'
false

Uncaught ReferenceError: javascript is not defined(…)

Alex A.

o_O

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

> window.alex == window.javascript
true

Alex A.

10:06 PM

My favorite error from Windows cmd: Windows was unexpected at this time.

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Seadrus

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ that actually works >_<

El'endia Starman

@Seadrus Well, both are undefined, so...

Seadrus

its still funny aint it?

TanMath

@Seadrus hello back @Geobits !

Seadrus

@TanMath Haha, yes, it is I, the mighty non-sock!

Alex A.

10:09 PM

@El'endiaStarman Undefined things are equal to each other in JS?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ yeah

Alex A.

That's heinous.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Not really.

Both evaluate to undefined...

Alex A.

Right.

But if neither is defined, how could one declare that they're equal?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

You usually can't.

Anonymous

10:11 PM

jsfiddle.net/r3944wo0/show

El'endia Starman

>>> None == None
True

anOKsquirrel

I'm an idiot

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

> None == None
ReferenceError: None is not defined
@El'endiaStarman

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies Hi

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ /me is using Python

anOKsquirrel

10:12 PM

@sparr cgol!

Anonymous

@anOKsquirrel quick everyone make that message the most-starred, right up there with quartata's

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman I know ;)

anOKsquirrel

@Mego I'm recording actually

Not a stream or anything, just recording coding scg

El'endia Starman

> null == null
true

Calvin's Hobbies

scg?

anOKsquirrel

10:13 PM

@Mego But yes, I'd love being starred a lot anyways

TheDoctor

False == False

Alex A.

@El'endiaStarman Well null is conceptually distinct from being undefined, right?

anOKsquirrel

@Calvin'sHobbies my own language

Alex A.

Scary Cereal Gopher

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. Yes...but still...

anOKsquirrel

10:14 PM

4 stars. my best

lol

feersum

There is no possible excuse for the wrongness of JS.

El'endia Starman

Okay, now, watch this...

>>> import numpy
>>> numpy.NaN
nan
>>> numpy.NaN == numpy.NaN
False

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TheDoctor

how

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@feersum Loose evaluation.

Alex A.

@El'endiaStarman Now, that's desirable.

feersum

10:15 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Which is wrong.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@feersum But good for online developing.

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. Alex is right O.o

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feersum

"good"

TanMath

@anOKsquirrel my best was three!

anOKsquirrel

@TanMath nice

El'endia Starman

10:16 PM

@TheDoctor It's one of the only ("natural") things that's not equal to itself. You can, of course, write a class where __eq__ always returns False and you'll get the same behavior.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I think that this message is my best.

Alex A.

It's all downhill from here.

Calvin's Hobbies

@TheDoctor It's so things like 9/0 == -1234/0 wont end up true.

Anonymous

@Calvin'sHobbies Hush with your blasphemy

feersum

@Calvin'sHobbies That's only false because inf != -inf

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

10:18 PM

^

El'endia Starman

@feersum His point still holds even when both are positive.

feersum

When they are both positive, it evaluates to true.

El'endia Starman

It's bad math to let 1/0 == 2/0 be true.

feersum

We're talking about IEEE floating point, aren't we?

TanMath

@El'endiaStarman but they are equal!

El'endia Starman

10:21 PM

@TanMath So then 1 == 2 is true?

There's a reason division by 0 is undefined.

(And this is the reason @AlexA. was saying that Javascript's behavior in letting undefined == undefined be true is bad.)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Or let n/0 == infinity and let infinity != infinity. This is equally bad.

TanMath

@El'endiaStarman usually, it is considered infinity, and infinity is equal to infinity...

El'endia Starman

@TanMath No it isn't!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

El'endia Starman

Imagine that you have an infinite number of balls, numbered sequentially like so: 1, 2, 3, 4, ...

TheDoctor

10:23 PM

Trump on JavaScript

@realDonaldJS

60 tweets, 1.7k followers, following 1 users

how

Seadrus

> Imagine that you have an infinite number of balls.

El'endia Starman

Now, you can separate the balls into different piles in different ways.

Actually, lemme phrase that differently.

VoteToClose

Total Rep Earned today: 10. \o/

El'endia Starman

Let's say you want to throw away an infinite number of balls. Throw 'em into the (infinitely deep) trash can.

VoteToClose

I'm so skilled.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

10:24 PM

@VoteToClose I've earned 8. q-p

VoteToClose

> an infinite number of balls. -- I'm listening.

2

El'endia Starman

You can throw away every even numbered ball, leaving you with 2, 4, 6, 8, etc.

Seadrus

^ NO! I NEED THAT ONE!

2

El'endia Starman

This is infinite, right? So, infinity - infinity = infinity.

VoteToClose

The infinite balls?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

10:25 PM

You guys are sick.

El'endia Starman

(Whoever flagged that message, please don't use flags for trivial things.)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ which message?

El'endia Starman

(If it was an accident, try not to do it again.)

TanMath

@El'endiaStarman I accidentally did when I starred it...

@El'endiaStarman I can't undo flags, which is so stupid!

El'endia Starman

Right. ANYWAY, you can ALSO throw away every ball that has a number greater than 3. That is, 4, 5, 6, etc. So you're left with balls 1, 2, and 3.

Alex A.

10:27 PM

@TanMath No problem, just be careful. Flag abuse is grounds for suspension. ;)

El'endia Starman

Therefore, infinity - infinity = 3.

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VoteToClose

XD I'm not sick. I'm just weird.

TanMath

@AlexA. I know.. I try not to flag things...but the star and flag buttons are so close

Alex A.

Yeah, that's unfortunate.

Why do we use Chrome again? A vote for me is a vote for the "Beast browser", with direct hooks into Instant Articles, Facebook, and Babel.

Tweeted by realDonaldJS on November 4, 2015 at 12:34 AM

VoteToClose

@El'endiaStarman infinity - infinity = ℝ

El'endia Starman

10:29 PM

To drive the point home, the number of positive integers (greater than 2, say) is infinite. The number of such integers that are prime is infinite. The number of such integers that are semi-prime (two distinct factors that are not 1) is infinite. The number of such integers with three distinct not-1 factors is infinite. So on and so forth.

TheDoctor

Make JavaScript great again.

Tweeted by realDonaldJS on October 17, 2015 at 7:42 PM

TanMath

@TheDoctor like javascript was ever great!

El'endia Starman

So ∞ - ∞ - ∞ - ∞ - ∞ - ........ = 0.

Whatever intuition you have about infinity, toss it out the window. It probably won't help at best and will be a big problem at worst.

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

El'endia Starman

@VoteToClose Plus a point at ∞!

VoteToClose

10:31 PM

So... ∞+sumk_0^∞(-∞) = 0? I think you mean sumk_0^∞(∞*(-1)^k)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Aleph_0, on the other hand...

Anonymous

I like that Seriously is now becoming both a reference to the old challenge and my response to simple questions

Anonymous

If a question can be answered in one byte of Seriously, it's probably not a good question

Anonymous

(unless it's a catalog question)

El'endia Starman

@VoteToClose Both work.

TanMath

10:34 PM

@El'endiaStarman are you a mathematician?

El'endia Starman

The former does correspond directly with my number-of-factors example.

@TanMath If you didn't know that already, you sure do now. :P

VoteToClose

@TanMath See: You're in a chat with programmers. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ What did you expect?

TanMath

@VoteToClose I would expect them to be programmers!

El'endia Starman

@VoteToClose It actually surprised me how many people here are actually pretty knowledgeable in math.

Alex A.

I have a degree in it but I've since forgotten most of it.

VoteToClose

10:35 PM

Programmers tend to be leaning towards the mathematical side of things, considering programming is nothing but binary/decimal/hexa logic.

Plus, a lot of questions here are math based.

Calvin's Hobbies

@VoteToClose No one solved my mini-math challenge to completion yesterday :c

VoteToClose

@Calvin'sHobbies ...yet.

TheDoctor

@El'endiaStarman what is this math you speak of

PhiNotPi

My website is alive! (well, not really, but w/e) socnet-phinotpi.rhcloud.com/register.pl

TanMath

@PhiNotPi how did you make it?

PhiNotPi

10:37 PM

it doesn't really do anything yet

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman I have a degree in compsci, but I minored in math

TanMath

I have a code golf idea...

Anonymous

@TanMath Seriously?

PhiNotPi

@TanMath blood, sweat, and tears. Lots of tears.

Anonymous

@PhiNotPi This is why we have a reply button

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PhiNotPi

10:39 PM

For hosting, I am using the OpenShift platform-as-a-service.

Calvin's Hobbies

@PhiNotPi I registered and this is all I'm seeing:

TanMath

Here it is: design a program that prints squares with squares. Meaning, print out number that when squared, are comprised of squares themselves. Examples of such numbers include 7 (49 has 2 and 3 squared) 13 (169 has 4 and 3 squared) and 20 (400 has 2 and 0 squared). Print at least 20 of such numbers without having it "memorized" in the program.

Calvin's Hobbies

Anonymous

PhiNotPi

@Calvin'sHobbies "it doesn't really do anything yet"

I haven't created the actual webpages for most stuff.

Like, there's a way to create a page, but you can't access it yet.

Calvin's Hobbies

10:41 PM

Are you encrypting passwords like my password told you to?

PhiNotPi

yes, they are hashed with salt

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

All my passwords are "password12345"

2

Calvin's Hobbies

No confirmation email..

PhiNotPi

@Calvin'sHobbies "it doesn't really do anything yet"

Calvin's Hobbies

I want my money back

3

PhiNotPi

10:43 PM

Give me your credit card information, and I will refund you.

Calvin's Hobbies

card number 0123 4567 89AB CDEF

PhiNotPi

checks out

anyways, I'll keep you guys updated on this project

TheDoctor

very nice website

Calvin's Hobbies

@PhiNotPi I forget my password already..

TheDoctor

lol

Calvin's Hobbies

10:48 PM

Lets us sign in with Google with Oauth

TheDoctor

> 2.38 GB of 90.4 GB (2.63%) - 1 day remaining

c'mon internetz

Alien G

@TheDoctor What are you downloading O_o

TheDoctor

ntlm rainbowtables

this in one of 5 torrents

PhiNotPi

rainbow tables for what? Cracking my website's passwords?

Calvin's Hobbies

It was something like youdbetterhavethisencryptedphi

TheDoctor

10:52 PM

@PhiNotPi no

i just wanted a big file to fill my extra backup hard drive

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

TF2 halloween is so much fun

Anonymous

@TheDoctor dd if=/dev/random of=/media/hd2/stuff

TheDoctor

but that's just boring

Anonymous

It's random, that's the opposite of boring

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Not in information theory

El'endia Starman

10:58 PM

@VoteToClose I'd dispute that. Strongly.

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